Diamante's replacement

[maverick23]

To use critical condition to describe your own condition is a big statement.
Critical implies that your life is in danger/or that you are likely to have significant life-altering injuries.
Bare in mind he described his condition after his injuries were well known to him and the hospital staff.

My bet is that he had some kind of accident and that he was injured; no where near how he described and that the rumours about his substance abuse have some truth in them.
1 week hospital, 4 weeks rehab baby!

I think it depends how you view it. Being in a critical condition doesn't always mean you will end up in a bad way, you may just be critical at the time you are taken into hospital and I guess if he did have an accident and damaged his back then they would treat it seriously and urgently. Any damage to the spine is potentially quite serious. I remember watching one of those 24 hours in A&E TV shows and some bloke was rushed into the hospital after a crash, they were saying he was in a bad way, he had broken something in his back and they told him he may never walk again and needed to go into surgery. At the end of the show when they show the patient updates he was walking fine.

Yeah, anything is possible with medicine but I just choose to think in this case David is lying, or at best exaggerating.
Not that it matters in life.
6 weeks is one hell of a turnaround for sure, though.

Where is a 6 week turnaround coming from?

[Dioufy]

How long was it between his traumatic accident and his comeback in early March?
Whether it was 6 weeks or double that… even triple that… it’s a miraculous recovery considering he has metal rods, screws and dead body parts inserted into his back.
2022 land of the absolute gullible.

[maverick23]

At the hospital, the doctors ran him through a battery of scans. There were three fractures in his spine. Several broken ribs. The flesh from his right knee was torn to the bone. He underwent five hours of surgery. Nine screws were inserted into his back. Multiple rods, too. “My back is basically metal,” says Diamante. Cadaver parts were placed on his spine to, hopefully, facilitate healing. When Diamante woke up, he was told the bone penetrating his spine was less than two millimeters away from leaving him paralyzed.
“The spinal surgeon told me he had never seen this type of injury without paralysis,” says Diamante. His voice begins to quiver. “I’m lucky, man. I’m really f---ing lucky.”


This was in sports Illustrated. 6 weeks and he’s absolutely fine? Miracles do happen.

Where are we getting 6 weeks and absolutely fine from?

[Dioufy]

Accident late December… back in work early March.
10 weeks.
Absolute fine? Apart from a little limp and emotional tear you only have to check out his social media platforms and his shows from the first one onwards to see that he’s fit as a fiddle.
I’ve seen minor slipped discs from deadlifting and squatting show much more visible effects on a man for a much longer convalescence period.
But I concede now.
David Diamanté looks like a god… and fixes himself like one.

I have a very interesting decentralized digital currency opportunity if you’d happily just DM me your card details, my man..
I’ll make us both rich!

[Wee Tommy]

At the hospital, the doctors ran him through a battery of scans. There were three fractures in his spine. Several broken ribs. The flesh from his right knee was torn to the bone. He underwent five hours of surgery. Nine screws were inserted into his back. Multiple rods, too. “My back is basically metal,” says Diamante. Cadaver parts were placed on his spine to, hopefully, facilitate healing. When Diamante woke up, he was told the bone penetrating his spine was less than two millimeters away from leaving him paralyzed.
“The spinal surgeon told me he had never seen this type of injury without paralysis,” says Diamante. His voice begins to quiver. “I’m lucky, man. I’m really f---ing lucky.”


This was in sports Illustrated. 6 weeks and he’s absolutely fine? Miracles do happen.

Where are we getting 6 weeks and absolutely fine from?

What basic research have you even done here? I’ve had to post all the relevant information for you so far and all you can do is disagree?

[Controversial]

Actual hospital advice for patients after major spinal surgery says they will attempt to get you walking the next day after surgery, discharge you within days and you could return to sedentary type office work within weeks. As long as you avoid heavy lifting, bending, take all the pain killers and do the physio etc. Of course there are levels to how bad someone is and how well they recover but it doesn't appear to be unusual to be walking around soon after surgery. It will be an on-going recovery process and seeing how things heal.

[maverick23]

At the hospital, the doctors ran him through a battery of scans. There were three fractures in his spine. Several broken ribs. The flesh from his right knee was torn to the bone. He underwent five hours of surgery. Nine screws were inserted into his back. Multiple rods, too. “My back is basically metal,” says Diamante. Cadaver parts were placed on his spine to, hopefully, facilitate healing. When Diamante woke up, he was told the bone penetrating his spine was less than two millimeters away from leaving him paralyzed.
“The spinal surgeon told me he had never seen this type of injury without paralysis,” says Diamante. His voice begins to quiver. “I’m lucky, man. I’m really f---ing lucky.”


This was in sports Illustrated. 6 weeks and he’s absolutely fine? Miracles do happen.

Where are we getting 6 weeks and absolutely fine from?

What basic research have you even done here? I’ve had to post all the relevant information for you so far and all you can do is disagree?

Again, that’s not true. I’ve asked just asked you to justify what you’ve said with some evidence.

You said he’d posted the exact injuries he’d suffered. Unless I’m missing something, he didn’t as I didn’t see anything relating to which parts of his spine suffered fractures and the severity of those fractures. I both of those points are pretty important when making judgement on someone’s recovery.

You say 6 weeks and he’s absolutely fine. I asked where you got 6 weeks from because his accident was December 20th and he returned to work early March for the Chocalatito show so 10 weeks.

I also haven’t seen him or anyone else say he’s absolutely fine. Let me know if you’ve seen anything different but I’ve heard him say he’s on loads of pain meds and still has to do frequent physical therapy.

[maverick23]

Accident late December… back in work early March.
10 weeks.
Absolute fine? Apart from a little limp and emotional tear you only have to check out his social media platforms and his shows from the first one onwards to see that he’s fit as a fiddle.
I’ve seen minor slipped discs from deadlifting and squatting show much more visible effects on a man for a much longer convalescence period.
But I concede now.
David Diamanté looks like a god… and fixes himself like one.

I have a very interesting decentralized digital currency opportunity if you’d happily just DM me your card details, my man..
I’ll make us both rich!

Ah right - so the 6 weeks was just an exaggeration. Just like suggesting images/short videos on social media suggest someone to be as fit as a fiddle.

[maverick23]

Actual hospital advice for patients after major spinal surgery says they will attempt to get you walking the next day after surgery, discharge you within days and you could return to sedentary type office work within weeks. As long as you avoid heavy lifting, bending, take all the pain killers and do the physio etc. Of course there are levels to how bad someone is and how well they recover but it doesn't appear to be unusual to be walking around soon after surgery. It will be an on-going recovery process and seeing how things heal.

Please don’t let facts get in the way of another conspiracy theory.

[Controversial]

Actual hospital advice for patients after major spinal surgery says they will attempt to get you walking the next day after surgery, discharge you within days and you could return to sedentary type office work within weeks. As long as you avoid heavy lifting, bending, take all the pain killers and do the physio etc. Of course there are levels to how bad someone is and how well they recover but it doesn't appear to be unusual to be walking around soon after surgery. It will be an on-going recovery process and seeing how things heal.

Please don’t let facts get in the way of another conspiracy theory.

I know, walking the next day says it all really, if patients are expected to do that the day after surgery then someone being able to stand still and talk for a few minutes ten plus weeks later, then that isn't that miraculous.

[margaret thatcher]

Actual hospital advice for patients after major spinal surgery says they will attempt to get you walking the next day after surgery, discharge you within days and you could return to sedentary type office work within weeks. As long as you avoid heavy lifting, bending, take all the pain killers and do the physio etc. Of course there are levels to how bad someone is and how well they recover but it doesn't appear to be unusual to be walking around soon after surgery. It will be an on-going recovery process and seeing how things heal.

Please don’t let facts get in the way of another conspiracy theory.

I know, walking the next day says it all really, if patients are expected to do that the day after surgery then someone being able to stand still and talk for a few minutes ten plus weeks later, then that isn't that miraculous.

well that depends on the injury, diamante said he'd have to relearn to walk and that every previous case the doctors had seen had been paralyzed - not walking ever again let alone the next day. if that was really the severity of his injury, then it certainly is miraculous not only that he didnt get paralyzed like EVERY other case the doctors had seen, but also that's he's back at his job and walking and dancing and holding back fighters 2.5 months later. he would've obviously been able to walk before that time too

so basically he's either miraculous, or there was some incongruence between what he claimed and what actually was the case. in the latter case, maybe he was genuinely misinformed by the doctors or something rather than being a bullsh!ter, who knows

[Controversial]

Please don’t let facts get in the way of another conspiracy theory.

I know, walking the next day says it all really, if patients are expected to do that the day after surgery then someone being able to stand still and talk for a few minutes ten plus weeks later, then that isn't that miraculous.

well that depends on the injury, diamante said he'd have to relearn to walk and that every previous case the doctors had seen had been paralyzed - not walking ever again let alone the next day. if that was really the severity of his injury, then it certainly is miraculous not only that he didnt get paralyzed like EVERY other case the doctors had seen, but also that's he's back at his job and walking and dancing around 2.5 months later

But he wasn’t paralysed so he can walk. It doesn’t necessarily take months to do things after surgery, maybe he did struggle to walk at first and had to practice. It might have only taken hours. You are taking things literal, so a doctor told him others have been paralysed with similar injuries, maybe they had but I’m sure they are not aware of every case worldwide, only those they know of personally. Sometimes doctors say things to lift a patients spirits. Sometimes doctors make mistakes too. Let’s face it he’s standing and talking a few months later, that isn’t a miracle he’s performing, it’s not like he was backflipping into the ring.

[margaret thatcher]

He said himself the spinal expert, who has presumably seen tons of spinal injuries due to the line of work, had NEVER seen the injury without the person being paralyzed. He said himself that he'd need to relearn to walk. Now he's back to walking, dancing, and holding fighters back shortly after, with no visible sign of any differences.

Basically the options are that all is truthful, and he is some type of miracle man. Or somewhere along the way the facts got twisted, whether due to him being a tall tales bullsh!tter or the doctor misinforming him - perhaps like you said to lift his spirits.

[brilo33]

He said himself the spinal expert, who has presumably seen tons of spinal injuries due to the line of work, had NEVER seen the injury without the person being paralyzed. If he's back to walking, dancing, and holding fighters back shortly after.

Basically the options are that all is truthful, and he is some type of miracle man. Or somewhere along the way the facts got twisted.

come on maggie have you not seen the video, he was from the ghetto fought his way threw reading class after his teacher dissed him about reading, then some back street doctor said man you crazy they need a ramp to get you in the ring

[Controversial]

He said himself the spinal expert, who has presumably seen tons of spinal injuries due to the line of work, had NEVER seen the injury without the person being paralyzed. He said himself that he'd need to relearn to walk. Now he's back to walking, dancing, and holding fighters back shortly after, with no visible sign of any differences.

Basically the options are that all is truthful, and he is some type of miracle man. Or somewhere along the way the facts got twisted, whether due to him being a tall tales bullsh!tter or the doctor misinforming him - perhaps like you said to lift his spirits.

He named the surgeon, he’d have to be pretty thick to do that if it wasn’t true.

"I sustained severe injuries on Monday, December 20," Diamante told Boxing Scene. "On Tuesday morning, a team of remarkable neurosurgeons led by Dr. Joseph Pyun rebuilt my spine. On Wednesday night, with great effort, I was able to stand for a few seconds with assistance and take a few small steps with a walker. That's a good sign. I'm going to walk again. Once my condition is stable, I'll be transferred to a rehab facility.”

[margaret thatcher]

Never said it wasn't true. just that if it is true, and someone who needed to learn to walk again is walking/dancing around without noticbale differences a couple months after an injury that paralyzed everyone else the doc had ever seen with it (maybe like paul williams), he must be a miracle man / fantastic case then. that could be true too, they do happen. not necessarily the case that facts and reality diverged at some point for whatever reason

[Controversial]

Never said it wasn't true. just that if it is true, and someone who needed to learn to walk again is walking/dancing around without noticbale differences a couple months after an injury that paralyzed everyone else the doc had ever seen with it (maybe like paul williams), he must be a miracle man / fantastic case then. that could be true too, they do happen. not necessarily the case that facts and reality diverged at some point for whatever reason

I think you are reading too much into things. It doesn’t matter how close to being paralysed he was or wasn’t,, the fact was he wasn’t paralysed. Hospitals try and have people up and walking the day after surgery. It might take a few days for people to get moving again, it’s not like he was out the next day strolling down the road, it was weeks before he was seen in public. He is likely to be only heavy pain killers too. It just doesn’t seem like the big miracle people seem to think it is to me.

[margaret thatcher]

i think youre missing the fact that him not being paralyzed would be miraculous in itself if an expert spinal surgeon has never seen any one with that injury walk again. if that's true it obviously wasn't the same as these injuries you keep mentioning where people are expected to walk a day later

from suffering an injury that paralyzed everyone, and needing to relearn to walk again, to walking/dancing/holding back fighters with no visible sign of injury shortly after. obviously that's an utterly spectacular and odds defying recovery if what diamante initially said was true. not sure why some are so against admitting that - it wouldnt necessarily mean he's lying, it could all be true and he's just a special case.

the rest of these dudes are, according to the spinal master, still sitting in wheelchairs like paul williams, but not diamante. he's travelling the world, dancing in the ring, providing some security at weigh ins. all just a couple months later. clearly he's either exceptional in his body's response to that injury, or somewhere along the line something veered from reality and led to some exaggeration. in fact both could be true.

[Controversial]

i think youre missing the fact that him not being paralyzed would be miraculous in itself if an expert spinal surgeon has never seen any one with that injury walk again. if that's true it obviously wasn't one of these run of the mill 1 day recovery injuries.

from suffering an injury that paralyzed everyone, and needing to relearn to walk again, to walking/dancing/holding back fighters with no visible sign of injury shortly after. obviously that's an utterly spectacular and odds defying recovery if what diamante initially said was true. not sure why some are so against admitting that - it wouldnt necessarily mean he's lying, it could all be true and he's just a special case.

the rest of these dudes are, according to the spinal master, still sitting in wheelchairs supposedly, but not diamante. he's travelling the world, dancing in the ring, providing some security at weigh ins. all just a couple months later.

Again you are taking every comment literally Any trauma and break to the spine can be dangerous and could potentially paralyse. I haven’t seen the comment that he was told he’s a walking miracle and no doctor on the planet said he should be walking. Maybe the press reworded comments to make it a bigger headline. It wasn’t that serious for him luckily so he was able to walk. A doctor telling him others have been paralysed is neither here or there, you hear of other people who have been told they will never walk again by experts that end up walking.

[margaret thatcher]

I'm going by what was said (and diamante has said plenty about it), not trying to rewrite them to suit an argument. If people shouldn't take the comments as they are, then it just backs up the arguments that there was something funky with the comments in the first place.

There's simply no way the claims about the severity of the injury can all be true unless Diamante is really a special case. Maybe he is, it definitely happens. I'm not going to call him or the doctor liars or tall tale-ers

Sure, other exceptional cases get reported in the media too. Them being unusual rather than some boring run of the mill injury and recovery is generally why they get the attention they do.

[veriton]

just listen to his boxing life stories interview with tris dixon, he's a rich boy desperately trying to be street (his dad was a lawyer). i genuinely felt sorry for him after hearing about the accident as it sounded as though his career would be over. Thought he may turn up in a wheelchair at a show and get an ovation then maybe in a couple of years take a painful walk up those steps to get in the ring again as the crowd goes wild. Instead, looks like he had a couple of paracetomol and just started walking again straight away. he's having a laugh. sort of bloke you really do not want to be stuck next to on a plane on a long haul flight - he'll be telling you he was in the SAS before take off.

[Controversial]

I'm going by what was said (and diamante has said plenty about it), not trying to rewrite them to suit an argument. If people shouldn't take the comments as they are, then it just backs up the arguments that there was something funky with the comments in the first place.

There's simply no way the claims about the severity of the injury can all be true unless Diamante is really a special case. Maybe he is, it definitely happens. I'm not going to call him or the doctor liars or tall tale-ers

Sure, other exceptional cases get reported in the media too. Them being unusual rather than some boring run of the mill injury and recovery is generally why they get the attention they do.

I haven’t read all his comments, where has he said he was told he would never walk again or surgeons are baffled by his progress?

Doctors say lots of things. Sometimes they misdiagnose, they miss serious illnesses on scans, give wrong advice, medication etc. They are human and make mistakes like everyone else. Some of the worlds top experts and doctors have different opinions on things, you only have to look at all the Covid stuff to see that. People often seek a second opinion from other doctors for that very reason. Doctors can only give their medical opinion based on what they see and sometimes they will be right and other times they might get it wrong.

Remember Vinny Pazienza? He broke his neck in two places and was told his career was over, a year later he was back in the ring fighting.

[garethhop]

Anyone who believes that 11 weeks before David was back in the ring going his mc activity and bending through the ropes, he had emergency surgery and rods and screws placed in him to protect his spinal cord, needs to have a good fking word with themselves.

The virtual silence about his return other than a short interview tells you all you need to know.

Embarrassing and really weird too.

[maverick23]

Anyone who believes that 11 weeks before David was back in the ring going his mc activity and bending through the ropes, he had emergency surgery and rods and screws placed in him to protect his spinal cord, needs to have a good fking word with themselves.

The virtual silence about his return other than a short interview tells you all you need to know.

Embarrassing and really weird too.

Based on what though? Just because it sounds extremely quick?

It sounds like he had some form of lumbar spinal fusion surgery which involves the inserting of rods, screws and bone (either taken from the patient or a cadaver). They say you can return home c.3 days later, return to office work 4-6 weeks later but it can take 3 months to do more physical activities.

Obviously every case is different but to me it sounds like he’s been very fortunate.

[mickey1975]

Lads, he's obviously had a serious accident but exaggerated it quite a bit.