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Counter-puncher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 13:20 I think I heard that rumour about Froch being good with money and investing in property.

Anyone ever met him? I’ve heard he’s got a dry sense of humour

Frostieballs wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:12

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 13:20 I think I heard that rumour about Froch being good with money and investing in property.

Anyone ever met him? I’ve heard he’s got a dry sense of humour

I worked with Carl through the first part of his career. He is funny and a good laugh - particularly when teamed up with Rob McCracken.

Rob is one proper funny sod. Dry, quick and can tell a good story.

Spud wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:10 It is rumoured that Adam Booth got paid more than 25% by David Haye.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:24

Coco wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:00

Controversial wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 10:53

I thought the comment the mum made was quite telling that Ricky made Graham a millionaire and he still wanted more money said it a lot to me, sounded like they thought he didn’t deserve more. Isn’t this common with trainers though, fighters agree to pay them a percentage and when the big money comes they start to begrudge parting with more dough.

Apparently FW said that he made Hatton a millionaire, and the Hatton still wanted more money

I remember Brendan Ingle telling me he never had any kind of signed contract with his boxers and they'd pay him the standard 25% as set by the BBBC. But when Naseem Hamed started earning big purses Brendan had to settle for £75,000 per fight as "Chief Second" instead of the quarter of the purse he'd be entitled to as manager.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:33

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:24

Coco wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 11:00

Apparently FW said that he made Hatton a millionaire, and the Hatton still wanted more money

I remember Brendan Ingle telling me he never had any kind of signed contract with his boxers and they'd pay him the standard 25% as set by the BBBC. But when Naseem Hamed started earning big purses Brendan had to settle for £75,000 per fight as "Chief Second" instead of the quarter of the purse he'd be entitled to as manager.

It's common that the big earners pay a set/fixed amount to their trainers/managers,

As someone said, about Golovkin. He wanted Abel to take a fixed amount instead of a percentage.

There's no way Canelo pays his trainer $m's each fight.

IrishGuy wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:41 Hatton does come across sound, but I will say their is the glaring gap of how micro managed and risk averse his career was ore tsyzu what was he 38-0 having not fought much, Jon taxton and who? Then he beats tszyu and they cash in, I felt he was already on decline by Mayweather fight, he was definitely better at 140 and he needed to he the bigger man, big time

stujones wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 10:21

IrishGuy wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:41 Hatton does come across sound, but I will say their is the glaring gap of how micro managed and risk averse his career was ore tsyzu what was he 38-0 having not fought much, Jon taxton and who? Then he beats tszyu and they cash in, I felt he was already on decline by Mayweather fight, he was definitely better at 140 and he needed to he the bigger man, big time

It was a bit tricky for Hatton I thought. I thought he was definitely on the decline - actually in the Tszyu fight, his movement was poor and certainly never the same after.

However, there was a dilemma with Ricky is do you fight the likes of Mitchell, Gatti and the other champions (remembering Tszyu had lost a lot of the belts through inactivity) and then risk a WBA/WBC run being a bit like his WBU as Tszyu might not have wanted anything of that - or do you wait until Tszyu is just over the hill enough for Ricky to win the fight and be known as the number #1 in the division.

I don't really mind his WBU run (or his pre Tszyu run) - I would say Magee, Tackie and Phillips were probably geniune top 10 fighters at the time of them fighting Hatton (even if Phillips was getting on) and the likes of Lauri and Oliveria also top 10 fighters either in the future (EBU champions usually mean top 10 fighters) or in the not so distant past. Also Pep and Pendleton were also one time (albeit a while ago) top 10 fighters.

I think Hatton's resume (as much as the manner of his wins) meant he was a geniune top 4/5 Light Welter at the time of the Tszyu fight. However, personally I would have liked to have seen him fight Gatti a year or two before he fought Tszyu and defend a genuine world belt (no forgone conclusion he beats Gatti) a few times before his own decline sets. I just thought Hatton was slipping by the time he fought Tszyu.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 15:45

stujones wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 10:21

IrishGuy wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:41 Hatton does come across sound, but I will say their is the glaring gap of how micro managed and risk averse his career was ore tsyzu what was he 38-0 having not fought much, Jon taxton and who? Then he beats tszyu and they cash in, I felt he was already on decline by Mayweather fight, he was definitely better at 140 and he needed to he the bigger man, big time

It was a bit tricky for Hatton I thought. I thought he was definitely on the decline - actually in the Tszyu fight, his movement was poor and certainly never the same after.

However, there was a dilemma with Ricky is do you fight the likes of Mitchell, Gatti and the other champions (remembering Tszyu had lost a lot of the belts through inactivity) and then risk a WBA/WBC run being a bit like his WBU as Tszyu might not have wanted anything of that - or do you wait until Tszyu is just over the hill enough for Ricky to win the fight and be known as the number #1 in the division.

I don't really mind his WBU run (or his pre Tszyu run) - I would say Magee, Tackie and Phillips were probably geniune top 10 fighters at the time of them fighting Hatton (even if Phillips was getting on) and the likes of Lauri and Oliveria also top 10 fighters either in the future (EBU champions usually mean top 10 fighters) or in the not so distant past. Also Pep and Pendleton were also one time (albeit a while ago) top 10 fighters.

I think Hatton's resume (as much as the manner of his wins) meant he was a geniune top 4/5 Light Welter at the time of the Tszyu fight. However, personally I would have liked to have seen him fight Gatti a year or two before he fought Tszyu and defend a genuine world belt (no forgone conclusion he beats Gatti) a few times before his own decline sets. I just thought Hatton was slipping by the time he fought Tszyu.

he would've walked through gatti imo. glorified club fighter cos he was in wars. prime hatton steam rollers him.

i think hattons downfall was the success of the KT fight. he tried to use that "smother their punches" tactic with everyone afterwards and got lazy with his boxing.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 15:45

stujones wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 10:21

IrishGuy wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:41 Hatton does come across sound, but I will say their is the glaring gap of how micro managed and risk averse his career was ore tsyzu what was he 38-0 having not fought much, Jon taxton and who? Then he beats tszyu and they cash in, I felt he was already on decline by Mayweather fight, he was definitely better at 140 and he needed to he the bigger man, big time

It was a bit tricky for Hatton I thought. I thought he was definitely on the decline - actually in the Tszyu fight, his movement was poor and certainly never the same after.

However, there was a dilemma with Ricky is do you fight the likes of Mitchell, Gatti and the other champions (remembering Tszyu had lost a lot of the belts through inactivity) and then risk a WBA/WBC run being a bit like his WBU as Tszyu might not have wanted anything of that - or do you wait until Tszyu is just over the hill enough for Ricky to win the fight and be known as the number #1 in the division.

I don't really mind his WBU run (or his pre Tszyu run) - I would say Magee, Tackie and Phillips were probably geniune top 10 fighters at the time of them fighting Hatton (even if Phillips was getting on) and the likes of Lauri and Oliveria also top 10 fighters either in the future (EBU champions usually mean top 10 fighters) or in the not so distant past. Also Pep and Pendleton were also one time (albeit a while ago) top 10 fighters.

I think Hatton's resume (as much as the manner of his wins) meant he was a geniune top 4/5 Light Welter at the time of the Tszyu fight. However, personally I would have liked to have seen him fight Gatti a year or two before he fought Tszyu and defend a genuine world belt (no forgone conclusion he beats Gatti) a few times before his own decline sets. I just thought Hatton was slipping by the time he fought Tszyu.

he would've walked through gatti imo. glorified club fighter cos he was in wars. prime hatton steam rollers him.

i think hattons downfall was the success of the KT fight. he tried to use that "smother their punches" tactic with everyone afterwards and got lazy with his boxing.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 15:45

stujones wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 10:21

IrishGuy wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:41 Hatton does come across sound, but I will say their is the glaring gap of how micro managed and risk averse his career was ore tsyzu what was he 38-0 having not fought much, Jon taxton and who? Then he beats tszyu and they cash in, I felt he was already on decline by Mayweather fight, he was definitely better at 140 and he needed to he the bigger man, big time

It was a bit tricky for Hatton I thought. I thought he was definitely on the decline - actually in the Tszyu fight, his movement was poor and certainly never the same after.

However, there was a dilemma with Ricky is do you fight the likes of Mitchell, Gatti and the other champions (remembering Tszyu had lost a lot of the belts through inactivity) and then risk a WBA/WBC run being a bit like his WBU as Tszyu might not have wanted anything of that - or do you wait until Tszyu is just over the hill enough for Ricky to win the fight and be known as the number #1 in the division.

I don't really mind his WBU run (or his pre Tszyu run) - I would say Magee, Tackie and Phillips were probably geniune top 10 fighters at the time of them fighting Hatton (even if Phillips was getting on) and the likes of Lauri and Oliveria also top 10 fighters either in the future (EBU champions usually mean top 10 fighters) or in the not so distant past. Also Pep and Pendleton were also one time (albeit a while ago) top 10 fighters.

I think Hatton's resume (as much as the manner of his wins) meant he was a geniune top 4/5 Light Welter at the time of the Tszyu fight. However, personally I would have liked to have seen him fight Gatti a year or two before he fought Tszyu and defend a genuine world belt (no forgone conclusion he beats Gatti) a few times before his own decline sets. I just thought Hatton was slipping by the time he fought Tszyu.

he would've walked through gatti imo. glorified club fighter cos he was in wars. prime hatton steam rollers him.

i think hattons downfall was the success of the KT fight. he tried to use that "smother their punches" tactic with everyone afterwards and got lazy with his boxing.

Spud wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:15

Frostieballs wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:12

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2023, 13:20 I think I heard that rumour about Froch being good with money and investing in property.
Ok
Anyone ever met him? I’ve heard he’s got a dry sense of humour

I worked with Carl through the first part of his career. He is funny and a good laugh - particularly when teamed up with Rob McCracken.

Rob is one proper funny sod. Dry, quick and can tell a good story.

We had some laughs.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 03:02

Spud wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:15

Frostieballs wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:12

I worked with Carl through the first part of his career. He is funny and a good laugh - particularly when teamed up with Rob McCracken.

Rob is one proper funny sod. Dry, quick and can tell a good story.

We had some laughs.

Mick had a good sense of humour as well. I remember when you were meant to spar him!

Spud wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 03:18 Another funny one was we were in the hotel bar, mick, rob, myself and a couple of others . Mick rang the reception making out he was in Matthew Thirlwall’s room and there was a rat in the room … it was hilarious.

polecateddy wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 07:53 It’s odd sometimes looking a modern day fighters record and seeing few significant fights there. I think with Hatton it feels like there’s more because every fight was hyped up, even before he won a world title. I think the observation he stagnated after the obvious Tyzu peak is correct. Probably only the Castillo fighter was impressive. Urango was a decent result against a good fighter. I don’t really recognise that pre Tyzu he’d faced particularly amazing overseas opposition. There was a fair bit of good matchmaking going on and trading on names which was fading or faded. Probably Magee was the only properly dangerous fighter pre-title. And that was a tough one, and only the Irishman’s lack of conditioning got that one home really.

Spud wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 07:55

polecateddy wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 07:53 It’s odd sometimes looking a modern day fighters record and seeing few significant fights there. I think with Hatton it feels like there’s more because every fight was hyped up, even before he won a world title. I think the observation he stagnated after the obvious Tyzu peak is correct. Probably only the Castillo fighter was impressive. Urango was a decent result against a good fighter. I don’t really recognise that pre Tyzu he’d faced particularly amazing overseas opposition. There was a fair bit of good matchmaking going on and trading on names which was fading or faded. Probably Magee was the only properly dangerous fighter pre-title. And that was a tough one, and only the Irishman’s lack of conditioning got that one home really.

Excellent post … are you being slightly tough on Hatton?

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:28

Spud wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 09:10 It is rumoured that Adam Booth got paid more than 25% by David Haye.

He was a mug, then, like Ali was with the Nation Of Islam.
Elijah Muhammed and Adam Booth both creepy cult leaders.