MasterG wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 14:23
Purely a money fight this rematch, Tyson Fury will come in overweight like a slob just to cash in before he retires. Usyk, will beat him again hopefully this time by a good knockout and retire gracefully.
It's not purely a money fight if both think they're going to win. Do you think Fury will step in the ring doing it just for the money.
We are talking millions and millions for a rematch that will go the same way. Fury will have no desire. Usyk will, he will be fighting for his country and legacy. What legacy has Fury? He's not a history making fighter, he's nothing more than European level status at most. He's not a top 20 heavyweight champion in the history of boxing.
They are fighting for millions, who in their right mind would walk off into the sunset when they can return, half cut and fiddle a payday. We aren't talking about a few hundred quid here.
Fury will be disireless, I hope Usyk can KO him but I doubt it. The rematch will be ugly, a fat overweight mediocre boxer being out worked by a class act who is half his size.
December is fine, but to me that means they will be stripped. Hrg vs DDD should be for the IBF title. Let Parker fight for the WBO. I guess try keep the others for now…
gregregegg wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 17:27
December is fine, but to me that means they will be stripped. Hrg vs DDD should be for the IBF title. Let Parker fight for the WBO. I guess try keep the others for now…
I am very tempted to go as it's literally when the UK is at its darkest and I enjoy bright skies. Just unsure whether Fury will find a reason to postpone again.
Loynesy wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 17:37
I am very tempted to go as it's literally when the UK is at its darkest and I enjoy bright skies. Just unsure whether Fury will find a reason to postpone again.
What do you reckon you'd have to stump up for the trip?
I'll not be able to afford it regardless, and don't fancy any of those countries like Saudi or Dubai anyway. They frighten me, those people... Just curious really.
Didn't Micky (or another poster on here) go to the first fight and said it cost about a grand?
I'm ion the board of a company in Abu Dhabi so will be able to get there for free. Can then pop across to Saudi. Hotels aren't that expensive as they are all state subsidised
The broader issue is cancellation risk from Fury. .
Loynesy wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 18:39
Didn't Micky (or another poster on here) go to the first fight and said it cost about a grand?
I'm ion the board of a company in Abu Dhabi so will be able to get there for free. Can then pop across to Saudi. Hotels aren't that expensive as they are all state subsidised
The broader issue is cancellation risk from Fury. .
MasterG wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 14:23
Purely a money fight this rematch, Tyson Fury will come in overweight like a slob just to cash in before he retires. Usyk, will beat him again hopefully this time by a good knockout and retire gracefully.
It's not purely a money fight if both think they're going to win. Do you think Fury will step in the ring doing it just for the money.
We are talking millions and millions for a rematch that will go the same way. Fury will have no desire. Usyk will, he will be fighting for his country and legacy. What legacy has Fury? He's not a history making fighter, he's nothing more than European level status at most. He's not a top 20 heavyweight champion in the history of boxing.
They are fighting for millions, who in their right mind would walk off into the sunset when they can return, half cut and fiddle a payday. We aren't talking about a few hundred quid here.
Fury will be disireless, I hope Usyk can KO him but I doubt it. The rematch will be ugly, a fat overweight mediocre boxer being out worked by a class act who is half his size.
Usyk will probably be stripped so the undisputed will not be on the line. Makes you think how motivated Fury will be without it on the line. Usyk will likely still be super motivated and knowing he can stick with the same game plan with a few tweaks to make it a boxing clinic.
I'm not one that thinks Fury cannot beat Usyk though, there were certainly moments he made Usyk look uncomfortable, and he felt the shots for sure.
I'm thinking Usyk will still be in tremendous shape and focussed, will probably want to finish the job in a second fight and it'll be something like the first fight.
MasterG wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 14:23
Purely a money fight this rematch, Tyson Fury will come in overweight like a slob just to cash in before he retires. Usyk, will beat him again hopefully this time by a good knockout and retire gracefully.
It's not purely a money fight if both think they're going to win. Do you think Fury will step in the ring doing it just for the money.
We are talking millions and millions for a rematch that will go the same way. Fury will have no desire. Usyk will, he will be fighting for his country and legacy. What legacy has Fury? He's not a history making fighter, he's nothing more than European level status at most. He's not a top 20 heavyweight champion in the history of boxing.
They are fighting for millions, who in their right mind would walk off into the sunset when they can return, half cut and fiddle a payday. We aren't talking about a few hundred quid here.
Fury will be disireless, I hope Usyk can KO him but I doubt it. The rematch will be ugly, a fat overweight mediocre boxer being out worked by a class act who is half his size.
If you think Fury will have no desire to win the rematch, then you're either biased or you don't know anything about boxers.
I think the rematch will be great, both will be in great shape, tactics will be interesting too, and of course who will be able to impose their tactics.
Will Fury go Wilder 1 or Wilder 2?
And both will leave it all in the ring.
I fancy that it might be even better than the first one
Fair play to the Saudis, these fights would never happen without them.
Coco wrote: ↑30 May 2024, 06:10
I think the rematch will be great, both will be in great shape, tactics will be interesting too, and of course who will be able to impose their tactics.
Will Fury go Wilder 1 or Wilder 2?
And both will leave it all in the ring.
I fancy that it might be even better than the first one
Fair play to the Saudis, these fights would never happen without them.
I agree, whatever anyone thinks of Fury you don't box for 20+ years and get to the level he is at if you are crap. Fury is at the stage where age, desire and physical decline are all working against him but I don't doubt he will want revenge and will try and win. Whether he does is another matter, with the right tactics I think he could beat Usyk as he had success when he went on the offensive.
None of us know how Fury will come in. His life is obviously chaotic - 7 kids with an 8th on the way. If he goes away to a proper training camp with his real trainers (ie not his Dad) perhaps he will. I've genuinely got no idea.
Loynesy wrote: ↑30 May 2024, 07:24
None of us know how Fury will come in. His life is obviously chaotic - 7 kids with an 8th on the way. If he goes away to a proper training camp with his real trainers (ie not his Dad) perhaps he will. I've genuinely got no idea.
On previous form, he hasn't been in great shape since the Klitschko fight. With that in mind, IMO, Fury will come in with a spare tyre around his waist.
Coco wrote: ↑30 May 2024, 06:10
I think the rematch will be great, both will be in great shape, tactics will be interesting too, and of course who will be able to impose their tactics.
Will Fury go Wilder 1 or Wilder 2?
And both will leave it all in the ring.
I fancy that it might be even better than the first one
Fair play to the Saudis, these fights would never happen without them.
I think the problem with going wilder 1 - is Fury is not good enough to outbox Usyk, in the manner he did Wilder, he can have moments, but the constant adjustments in positioning and angle of attack from Usyk, make it exremely mentally taxing, which is what I think partly drew the showboating from Fury, who wanted to buy himself time and space.
If he tries Wilder 2 - I cannot see him being able to impose himself like that on Usyk, Usyk will get on his bike, and then potshot when the opportunities present, and then turn it on down the stretch again.,
I am not saying he cannot win, but I don't think he can employ tactics as simple as the above to do so, he will need to adjust during the fight, because Usyk undoutedly will.
Coco wrote: ↑30 May 2024, 06:10
I think the rematch will be great, both will be in great shape, tactics will be interesting too, and of course who will be able to impose their tactics.
Will Fury go Wilder 1 or Wilder 2?
And both will leave it all in the ring.
I fancy that it might be even better than the first one
Fair play to the Saudis, these fights would never happen without them.
I think the problem with going wilder 1 - is Fury is not good enough to outbox Usyk, in the manner he did Wilder, he can have moments, but the constant adjustments in positioning and angle of attack from Usyk, make it exremely mentally taxing, which is what I think partly drew the showboating from Fury, who wanted to buy himself time and space.
If he tries Wilder 2 - I cannot see him being able to impose himself like that on Usyk, Usyk will get on his bike, and then potshot when the opportunities present, and then turn it on down the stretch again.,
I am not saying he cannot win, but I don't think he can employ tactics as simple as the above to do so, he will need to adjust during the fight, because Usyk undoutedly will.
IMHO, the reason he beat Wilder in the second fight was him beating Deontay to the punch. Wilder has low punch output and doesn't dictate the pace.
Write Fury off if you will BUT don't bet too much against him , Once again this fight shown how to beat Usyk , AND THATS TO TAKE IT TOO HIM , TAKE IT RIGHT UP , STAND YOUR GROUND AND LET THEM BODY SHOTS GO ok we all know how clever Usyk is and he finds a way , but he can't find a way if he's too busy evading , and complaining about your body shots hitting low or even just hitting him ,
Fury has to go for broke , STAY IN THE GYM do not leave that gym and not bother too much about the weight , get rid of his hanger ons back slappers and wankers in his team ESPECIELLY his dad , forget anything in that gym except Punch , Punch and punch some more , tighten up the gaurd and punch some more and when he's sick of it DO IT AGAIN , he has to show Usyk zero respect and go for it , he has to be stronger and fitter and be able to punch NON STOP , Usyks good Usyks clever and all the rest , but Usyk does'nt like pressure , , so Tyson should not do ANYTHING in that gym that does not emulate explosive , punching , EVERYTHING he does should revolve around Explosive punching , and pressure , get rid of the S and C coaches , get rid of the dietiscens they don't win fights , punching people hard and good defence win fights
His conditioning needs to be second nature just like Usyks is , and how does he do that simple , he stays in the gym , tyson spends half his camp getting in condition , he's in condition now , he should spend the next 6 months tuning it getting it better and building up to a peak on the 21st . Stuff the weight if he gets close use it , other than that tight defence , stay in the centre , when uSYK GETS INTO HIS zONE LET THEM GO AND LET THEM GO HARD , Tyson is capable and does have the goods to Stop Usyk , but will he , defo not with his current regime and trainers , I think Roach is past it has a trainer , but i think he will be a good fit for Fury .
We all know his dad has to go , but equally so does Sugar , and the reason i say that , Sugar has now proved a couple of times he has no authority where Tyson is concerned , he's become a yes man , no pride , and anyone with no pride does'nt care , it just a job and money .
He needs someone who will take charge tell him whats what and stand up to his familly , without that , he's gonna defo lose a fight he's capable of winning
coneye wrote: ↑30 May 2024, 09:01
Write Fury off if you will BUT don't bet too much against him , Once again this fight shown how to beat Usyk , AND THATS TO TAKE IT TOO HIM , TAKE IT RIGHT UP , STAND YOUR GROUND AND LET THEM BODY SHOTS GO ok we all know how clever Usyk is and he finds a way , but he can't find a way if he's too busy evading , and complaining about your body shots hitting low or even just hitting him ,
Fury has to go for broke , STAY IN THE GYM do not leave that gym and not bother too much about the weight , get rid of his hanger ons back slappers and wankers in his team ESPECIELLY his dad , forget anything in that gym except Punch , Punch and punch some more , tighten up the gaurd and punch some more and when he's sick of it DO IT AGAIN , he has to show Usyk zero respect and go for it , he has to be stronger and fitter and be able to punch NON STOP , Usyks good Usyks clever and all the rest , but Usyk does'nt like pressure , , so Tyson should not do ANYTHING in that gym that does not emulate explosive , punching , EVERYTHING he does should revolve around Explosive punching , and pressure , get rid of the S and C coaches , get rid of the dietiscens they don't win fights , punching people hard and good defence win fights
His conditioning needs to be second nature just like Usyks is , and how does he do that simple , he stays in the gym , tyson spends half his camp getting in condition , he's in condition now , he should spend the next 6 months tuning it getting it better and building up to a peak on the 21st . Stuff the weight if he gets close use it , other than that tight defence , stay in the centre , when uSYK GETS INTO HIS zONE LET THEM GO AND LET THEM GO HARD , Tyson is capable and does have the goods to Stop Usyk , but will he , defo not with his current regime and trainers , I think Roach is past it has a trainer , but i think he will be a good fit for Fury .
We all know his dad has to go , but equally so does Sugar , and the reason i say that , Sugar has now proved a couple of times he has no authority where Tyson is concerned , he's become a yes man , no pride , and anyone with no pride does'nt care , it just a job and money .
He needs someone who will take charge tell him whats what and stand up to his familly , without that , he's gonna defo lose a fight he's capable of winning
The trouble is, Tyson couldn't find the motivation, despite the fact he was in the biggest fight of his life to get in the absolute best shape he could - I just think it's his nature, he's like the clever kid at school who cannot get motivated, and does the bare minimum to get by, without ever fully extending themselves.
That can be a function of ADHD actually, thinking about it - (the above was how my school reports read - bright, articulate, lazy, always talking and arsing around in class) ADHD sufferers can have very intense bouts of hyperfocus, but they find difficulty sustaining high effort on difficult tasks over long periods. Fury is generally fairly good on actual fight night, and get usually get up for the fight, but staying and honing shape over the neext 6-7 months, I just simply cannot see it happening.
coneye wrote: ↑30 May 2024, 09:01
Write Fury off if you will BUT don't bet too much against him , Once again this fight shown how to beat Usyk , AND THATS TO TAKE IT TOO HIM , TAKE IT RIGHT UP , STAND YOUR GROUND AND LET THEM BODY SHOTS GO ok we all know how clever Usyk is and he finds a way , but he can't find a way if he's too busy evading , and complaining about your body shots hitting low or even just hitting him ,
Fury has to go for broke , STAY IN THE GYM do not leave that gym and not bother too much about the weight , get rid of his hanger ons back slappers and wankers in his team ESPECIELLY his dad , forget anything in that gym except Punch , Punch and punch some more , tighten up the gaurd and punch some more and when he's sick of it DO IT AGAIN , he has to show Usyk zero respect and go for it , he has to be stronger and fitter and be able to punch NON STOP , Usyks good Usyks clever and all the rest , but Usyk does'nt like pressure , , so Tyson should not do ANYTHING in that gym that does not emulate explosive , punching , EVERYTHING he does should revolve around Explosive punching , and pressure , get rid of the S and C coaches , get rid of the dietiscens they don't win fights , punching people hard and good defence win fights
His conditioning needs to be second nature just like Usyks is , and how does he do that simple , he stays in the gym , tyson spends half his camp getting in condition , he's in condition now , he should spend the next 6 months tuning it getting it better and building up to a peak on the 21st . Stuff the weight if he gets close use it , other than that tight defence , stay in the centre , when uSYK GETS INTO HIS zONE LET THEM GO AND LET THEM GO HARD , Tyson is capable and does have the goods to Stop Usyk , but will he , defo not with his current regime and trainers , I think Roach is past it has a trainer , but i think he will be a good fit for Fury .
We all know his dad has to go , but equally so does Sugar , and the reason i say that , Sugar has now proved a couple of times he has no authority where Tyson is concerned , he's become a yes man , no pride , and anyone with no pride does'nt care , it just a job and money .
He needs someone who will take charge tell him whats what and stand up to his familly , without that , he's gonna defo lose a fight he's capable of winning
The trouble is, Tyson couldn't find the motivation, despite the fact he was in the biggest fight of his life to get in the absolute best shape he could - I just think it's his nature, he's like the clever kid at school who cannot get motivated, and does the bare minimum to get by, without ever fully extending themselves.
That can be a function of ADHD actually, thinking about it - (the above was how my school reports read - bright, articulate, lazy, always talking and arsing around in class) ADHD sufferers can have very intense bouts of hyperfocus, but they find difficulty sustaining high effort on difficult tasks over long periods. Fury is generally fairly good on actual fight night, and get usually get up for the fight, but staying and honing shape over the neext 6-7 months, I just simply cannot see it happening.
Problem is your probably correct , mind you if he can't get up for REVENGE nothing will motivate him , i think one of his problems is he has always surrounded himself with familly who worship him and yes men , , If they don't go nothing will change results included
