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pound per pound wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 06:56

Thomastearns wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 05:34

1676263 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 03:42

1 word - pressure. Getting constantly tagged with the jab and then big hooks or overhand rights threw him off balance. AJ has never boxed 3 minutes a round either, he likes to cruise in and out of fights and he was given no space to cruise.

Reminded me of Honeyghan-Curry.

Same here.

Obviously AJ wasn't weight drained so what was it?

DDD on PEDs?
DDDs dad using voodoo?
AJ being fed donkeys in the build up?
Flashback from their sparring session?

Or was it just that Daniel was more confident and had better tactics?

Who really expected him to jump on AJ like that right from the bell?

I'd like to see a rematch, and I bet that most of the 96,000 in attendance would too.

Besides there's no one else other than Joshua who can sell as half as many tickets.

Anthony Joshua creates drama and he certainly did last night - although not exactly in the way he would have liked.

I can't remember seeing so many shocked faces. Even McGregor and Fury were left stunned and speechless.

The only one who didn't bat an eyelid was Turki Al-Sheikh. Once again he delivered an unforgettable night of boxing.

AJ is just too chinny and was forced to fight. The result was DDD steamrolled him. It was grand to watch.

Credit to DDD. He is a puncher and a fighter who fights the way he should. Now he's no great boxer nor is he a speed merchant. But he sure can hit and has a good gas tank.

But in the end these heavy weights are like race horses. They fool the experts often with how they perform. And some of them are on stuff. These heavy weights. Go figure.

I want to see a DDD re-match with Hrgoivc. He just is not being handled right. Time to switch jockeys

Lackeos wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 18:24 Anyone else notice the crazy amount of upsets that keep happening in Saudi Arabia? If you bet half your money on the underdog each time, you'd be like a trillionaire by now. I still feel like the Saudis aren't just straight-up shelling out cash to promote these fights -- I think they're paying the favorites to lose, betting the underdogs, and cleaning up royally. Considering the absurd corruption of the Saudi government -- assassinating Jamal Khashoggi, suspiciously funneling $2 billion into the pockets of Jared Kushner for who knows what, etc.

Parker - Wilder, Zhang - Wilder, Dubois Joshua, Kabayel - Makhmudov, Dubois - Hrgovic. Of course, some of the upsets were also outside of Riyadh; like Chisora - Joyce and Miller - Ruiz.

pound per pound wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 19:35 I think I now understand who DDD is. DDD is underrated! Yes he is big and can punch. Those things are givens.

He has a fine arsenal. Hear me out. A good head butt, which of course looks accidental and low blows. That combination is tough to beat. He the best at it since Holyfield. Unlike Holyfield this man actually has a big gas tank.

Much depends on who the referee is.

Lackeos wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 18:24 Anyone else notice the crazy amount of upsets that keep happening in Saudi Arabia? If you bet half your money on the underdog each time, you'd be like a trillionaire by now. I still feel like the Saudis aren't just straight-up shelling out cash to promote these fights -- I think they're paying the favorites to lose, betting the underdogs, and cleaning up royally. Considering the absurd corruption of the Saudi government -- assassinating Jamal Khashoggi, suspiciously funneling $2 billion into the pockets of Jared Kushner for who knows what, etc.

Parker - Wilder, Zhang - Wilder, Dubois Joshua, Kabayel - Makhmudov, Dubois - Hrgovic. Of course, some of the upsets were also outside of Riyadh; like Chisora - Joyce and Miller - Ruiz.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 18:06

The Gratest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 17:49

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 17:31








Told ya

Yes, you did. DDD certainly let his hands go, right from the bell.

I'm shocked.

Think I would have preferred if it had been stopped earlier.

After Joshua caught him and backed him up in the 5th it looked like he was about to pull off a brilliant comeback.

The finish could not have been much closer.

Can't really blame AJ for "getting greedy" as Hearn said.

He must have been fighting on reserves.

As for AJ not keeping up his left, Ben Davison, what do you say?

Great fight that had my heart beating.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 15:28

Davison certainly got the explosive AJ back, and so many were shouting for that, but everything comes at a price.

Yuzo wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 04:03 daniel dubois really reminds me of floyd patterson.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:54

pound per pound wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 06:56

Thomastearns wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 05:34


Same here.

Obviously AJ wasn't weight drained so what was it?

DDD on PEDs?
DDDs dad using voodoo?
AJ being fed donkeys in the build up?
Flashback from their sparring session?

Or was it just that Daniel was more confident and had better tactics?

Who really expected him to jump on AJ like that right from the bell?

I'd like to see a rematch, and I bet that most of the 96,000 in attendance would too.

Besides there's no one else other than Joshua who can sell as half as many tickets.

Anthony Joshua creates drama and he certainly did last night - although not exactly in the way he would have liked.

I can't remember seeing so many shocked faces. Even McGregor and Fury were left stunned and speechless.

The only one who didn't bat an eyelid was Turki Al-Sheikh. Once again he delivered an unforgettable night of boxing.

AJ is just too chinny and was forced to fight. The result was DDD steamrolled him. It was grand to watch.

Credit to DDD. He is a puncher and a fighter who fights the way he should. Now he's no great boxer nor is he a speed merchant. But he sure can hit and has a good gas tank.

But in the end these heavy weights are like race horses. They fool the experts often with how they perform. And some of them are on stuff. These heavy weights. Go figure.

I want to see a DDD re-match with Hrgoivc. He just is not being handled right. Time to switch jockeys

"AJ is just too chinny and was forced to fight."

This seems to be the main problem and is probably also the reason why AJ doesn't go all out more often.

He's obviously not chinny in the same way that Amir Khan was, he doesn't get sparked out cold with one shot, but his powers of recovery are not the same as someone like Larry Holmes' or even Ali's were.

Fury is an anomaly who can look out on his feet one minute and be back throwing bombs the next!

AJs team must know he can't take a good shot (rumours suggest he's been KO'd in sparring before, a full 5 minutes by Dubois of all people according to some sources)and thus try to steer him clear of big punchers.

Not that anyone willingly wants to go in with a heavy hitter of course, but AJ has previously been able to outbox some of his more dangerous rivals - not last night though.

The real pity was that he was so close to a legendary comeback in the 5th. I don't box, but some that do say he committed a beginner's error by walking onto that short right by Dubois.

From Olympic gold medalist, double world champion, to a beginner's error?

What a fight.




After facing a few good heavies, we know who Joshua is.    His main problem besides have a so-so chin is a lack of a fight-defining jab.

Wlad would have whipped him if he wasn't 41.

So who is AJ. 

 IMO,  here he is:

Offensive Boxing ability B
Power A
Size ( reach, height and weight   ) A
Defense C+
Chin B-
Heart B
Ring IQ B
Footwork and Foot speed  B-
Hand speed B
Stamina / Endurace B+

He is probably the 3rd or 4th best heavyweight of his era post Wlad K.    He is who I thought he was. Decent fighter, but no more than that. Probably a litte better than Frank Bruno.  

pound per pound wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 17:22

Thomastearns wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:54

pound per pound wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 06:56




AJ is just too chinny and was forced to fight. The result was DDD steamrolled him. It was grand to watch.

Credit to DDD. He is a puncher and a fighter who fights the way he should. Now he's no great boxer nor is he a speed merchant. But he sure can hit and has a good gas tank.

But in the end these heavy weights are like race horses. They fool the experts often with how they perform. And some of them are on stuff. These heavy weights. Go figure.

I want to see a DDD re-match with Hrgoivc. He just is not being handled right. Time to switch jockeys

"AJ is just too chinny and was forced to fight."

This seems to be the main problem and is probably also the reason why AJ doesn't go all out more often.

He's obviously not chinny in the same way that Amir Khan was, he doesn't get sparked out cold with one shot, but his powers of recovery are not the same as someone like Larry Holmes' or even Ali's were.

Fury is an anomaly who can look out on his feet one minute and be back throwing bombs the next!

AJs team must know he can't take a good shot (rumours suggest he's been KO'd in sparring before, a full 5 minutes by Dubois of all people according to some sources)and thus try to steer him clear of big punchers.

Not that anyone willingly wants to go in with a heavy hitter of course, but AJ has previously been able to outbox some of his more dangerous rivals - not last night though.

The real pity was that he was so close to a legendary comeback in the 5th. I don't box, but some that do say he committed a beginner's error by walking onto that short right by Dubois.

From Olympic gold medalist, double world champion, to a beginner's error?

What a fight.

After facing a few good heavies, we know who Joshua is.    His main problem besides have a so-so chin is a lack of a fight-defining jab.

Wlad would have whipped him if he wasn't 41.

So who is AJ. 

 IMO,  here he is:

Offensive Boxing ability B
Power A
Size ( reach, height and weight   ) A
Defense C+
Chin B-
Heart B
Ring IQ B
Footwork and Foot speed  B-
Hand speed B
Stamina / Endurance B+

He is probably the 3rd or 4th best heavyweight of his era post Wlad K.    He is who I thought he was. Decent fighter, but no more than that. Probably a litte better than Frank Bruno.  

- p4p

SportsRatings wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 18:55

Thomastearns wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 15:28

Davison certainly got the explosive AJ back, and so many were shouting for that, but everything comes at a price.

Joshua definitely needs a different strategy for each opponent. He fought Ruiz correctly the 2nd time and got a pretty easy win. Dubois should have been handled like that, the way Joyce did.

Say what you want about Fury but he knows how to follow a plan. And his corner advice is simple and to the point. Against Klitchko Fury said "I'm worried about his left hand" and his corner said "Keep your guard up" and that's it

pound per pound wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 17:22

Thomastearns wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:54

pound per pound wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 06:56




AJ is just too chinny and was forced to fight. The result was DDD steamrolled him. It was grand to watch.

Credit to DDD. He is a puncher and a fighter who fights the way he should. Now he's no great boxer nor is he a speed merchant. But he sure can hit and has a good gas tank.

But in the end these heavy weights are like race horses. They fool the experts often with how they perform. And some of them are on stuff. These heavy weights. Go figure.

I want to see a DDD re-match with Hrgoivc. He just is not being handled right. Time to switch jockeys

"AJ is just too chinny and was forced to fight."

This seems to be the main problem and is probably also the reason why AJ doesn't go all out more often.

He's obviously not chinny in the same way that Amir Khan was, he doesn't get sparked out cold with one shot, but his powers of recovery are not the same as someone like Larry Holmes' or even Ali's were.

Fury is an anomaly who can look out on his feet one minute and be back throwing bombs the next!

AJs team must know he can't take a good shot (rumours suggest he's been KO'd in sparring before, a full 5 minutes by Dubois of all people according to some sources)and thus try to steer him clear of big punchers.

Not that anyone willingly wants to go in with a heavy hitter of course, but AJ has previously been able to outbox some of his more dangerous rivals - not last night though.

The real pity was that he was so close to a legendary comeback in the 5th. I don't box, but some that do say he committed a beginner's error by walking onto that short right by Dubois.

From Olympic gold medalist, double world champion, to a beginner's error?

What a fight.




After facing a few good heavies, we know who Joshua is.    His main problem besides have a so-so chin is a lack of a fight-defining jab.

Wlad would have whipped him if he wasn't 41.

So who is AJ. 

 IMO,  here he is:

Offensive Boxing ability B
Power A
Size ( reach, height and weight   ) A
Defense C+
Chin B-
Heart B
Ring IQ B
Footwork and Foot speed  B-
Hand speed B
Stamina / Endurace B+

He is probably the 3rd or 4th best heavyweight of his era post Wlad K.    He is who I thought he was. Decent fighter, but no more than that. Probably a litte better than Frank Bruno.  

Good summing up, except I'd add that Joshua is certainly more versatile than our beloved Frank.

Bruno could only really fight one way and was predictable.

You can't say the same about Anthony Joshua. When he wants to defend responsibly he can.

Neither Usyk, nor Parker, nor Ruiz (2) came close to knocking him out when he chose to box carefully.

One problem might be that the fans like to to see him letting his hands go and taking more chances than he did in all of those fights.

He's the biggest draw in HW boxing and it's safe to say it's not because of his defensive capabilities.

That destruction of Francis Ngannou sent shockwaves through the sport (so did the defeats against Ruiz and Dubois).

Unfortunately, since Anthony Joshua does not have the reflexes of a Muhammad Ali, a Ray Leonard or a Roy Jones, he'd be better off fighting with his hands up in the future. Otherwise, such accidents will continue to happen.

He can box with his guard up, he's already done it many times.

Some of us can remember seeing Lennox Lewis getting sparked out cold twice in worse fashion.

What did he do?

He went to Emanuel Steward and came back a completely different, far more defensive minded fighter.

As a result he became extremely difficult to knock out from there onwards.

I think Joshua has to think about a similar strategy unless he wants to continue to "roll the dice".

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if he came back even stronger. He has a tendency to do just that.

Lackeos wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 18:24 Anyone else notice the crazy amount of upsets that keep happening in Saudi Arabia? If you bet half your money on the underdog each time, you'd be like a trillionaire by now. I still feel like the Saudis aren't just straight-up shelling out cash to promote these fights -- I think they're paying the favorites to lose, betting the underdogs, and cleaning up royally. Considering the absurd corruption of the Saudi government -- assassinating Jamal Khashoggi, suspiciously funneling $2 billion into the pockets of Jared Kushner for who knows what, etc.

Parker - Wilder, Zhang - Wilder, Dubois Joshua, Kabayel - Makhmudov, Dubois - Hrgovic. Of course, some of the upsets were also outside of Riyadh; like Chisora - Joyce and Miller - Ruiz.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑29 Sep 2024, 09:32

Lackeos wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 18:24 Anyone else notice the crazy amount of upsets that keep happening in Saudi Arabia? If you bet half your money on the underdog each time, you'd be like a trillionaire by now. I still feel like the Saudis aren't just straight-up shelling out cash to promote these fights -- I think they're paying the favorites to lose, betting the underdogs, and cleaning up royally. Considering the absurd corruption of the Saudi government -- assassinating Jamal Khashoggi, suspiciously funneling $2 billion into the pockets of Jared Kushner for who knows what, etc.

Parker - Wilder, Zhang - Wilder, Dubois Joshua, Kabayel - Makhmudov, Dubois - Hrgovic. Of course, some of the upsets were also outside of Riyadh; like Chisora - Joyce and Miller - Ruiz.

Wasn't an upset from where I was standing.