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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
fWANK WILL BE LIKE A DOG WITH TWO TAILS ,
He gets Moses a fight at purse bids and not be held over the barrel for big money that go with the big buildup
He gets a shot at a rubbish title , against an old man he would of wanted anyway
He gets to shout from the roof tops Moses is the new world champ to all the casuals who read a sunday paper .
He Wins Wins and WINS again
He gets Moses a fight at purse bids and not be held over the barrel for big money that go with the big buildup
He gets a shot at a rubbish title , against an old man he would of wanted anyway
He gets to shout from the roof tops Moses is the new world champ to all the casuals who read a sunday paper .
He Wins Wins and WINS again
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Except Pulev is fighting someone else.coneye wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025, 21:10 fWANK WILL BE LIKE A DOG WITH TWO TAILS ,
He gets Moses a fight at purse bids and not be held over the barrel for big money that go with the big buildup
He gets a shot at a rubbish title , against an old man he would of wanted anyway
He gets to shout from the roof tops Moses is the new world champ to all the casuals who read a sunday paper .
He Wins Wins and WINS again
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Frank will be disapointedgilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025, 21:57Except Pulev is fighting someone else.coneye wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025, 21:10 fWANK WILL BE LIKE A DOG WITH TWO TAILS ,
He gets Moses a fight at purse bids and not be held over the barrel for big money that go with the big buildup
He gets a shot at a rubbish title , against an old man he would of wanted anyway
He gets to shout from the roof tops Moses is the new world champ to all the casuals who read a sunday paper .
He Wins Wins and WINS again
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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Depends how much faith he has in Moses.coneye wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 04:59Frank will be disapointedgilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025, 21:57Except Pulev is fighting someone else.coneye wrote: ↑16 Oct 2025, 21:10 fWANK WILL BE LIKE A DOG WITH TWO TAILS ,
He gets Moses a fight at purse bids and not be held over the barrel for big money that go with the big buildup
He gets a shot at a rubbish title , against an old man he would of wanted anyway
He gets to shout from the roof tops Moses is the new world champ to all the casuals who read a sunday paper .
He Wins Wins and WINS again
A 44 year old pulev win for a “world title” would be laughable. But early next year vs gassiev would actualy be a really good fight for Moses and could be built with a levle of credibility even if wba reg is a joke…. (If he is willing to put Moses in with gassiev).
I guess how big a miss it is comes down to how good an opponent they can get for December.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
(If he is willing to put Moses in with gassiev) I don't believe there looking too hard for a credible opponent , , and here lies the problem with Frank he has a lot of history of nuturing talent , well some talent , to a point well beyond whats needed , and i can't see him changing , especielly with Moses , because he has now and will for some time have the perfect excuses , were already hearing them Moses is too young , Moses needs rnds ,, there all pricing themselves out , ect ect ect .gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Oct 2025, 20:20Depends how much faith he has in Moses.
A 44 year old pulev win for a “world title” would be laughable. But early next year vs gassiev would actualy be a really good fight for Moses and could be built with a levle of credibility even if wba reg is a joke…. (If he is willing to put Moses in with gassiev).
I guess how big a miss it is comes down to how good an opponent they can get for December.
I know some will say he's correct , even I can see it but what i do find annoying is the constant dribble how he's briliant and he's so good he's ppv worthy on one hand then refusal to throw him in deep water the next .
At the moment i liken Moses too DD and Fabio , DD is older age wise , more experienced i know , but he was brought along well then let go even though he has the mentality of a boy Moses is much more mature .
Fabio no ameteur experience his early fights were and too an extent still are learning fights , but he's been well and truly took of the leash , against Parker .
Moses , more mature than DD , well ahead of Fabio in the experience stakes with his ameteur background , physical and mental maturity , and solid training and sparring top pro's under his belt , yet he's only young needs the rnds ect ect .
I don't really have a problem with it all and can understand it , BUT i could'nt care less who he is how many rnds he's fought , how old he is , If your gonna build someone up and charge PPV for them , then let them fight the best , don't look for guys who may last a couple of rnds who your sure are gonna gas and fold when they cop one .
In fact i think DD or Fabio would of been a good fight for him , or Hughie Fury , been watching to see if amny of the u tube celebrity arse lickers are gonna actually ask Peter if Hughie was aproached , theres a good fight winner gets put right on the map , doubt its been offered though.
For me its just a case of british boxing going back to british boxing when King Tut TUT is'nt involved and splashing he money about
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Zhang is now being touted
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Would.nt suprise me if this is the one. Got to give it to Frank he.s brilliant at his job . Big Zang should give a coule of rnds but get bowled over . Theres a reason Frank rules the heavyweight scene . NO doubt about it . If i was top 10 heavy who would i want to be with allegedly no doubt about it . BUT i.m not i.m just a silly fan and will they get ppv money of me NOT A CHANCE
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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
No way he picks Zhang. Too old to get credit, but too powerfull to put in with an untested kid.
Zhang is good risk vs reward for most cause I think at this point you will stop him eventually if your not snoring… . But I wouldent want Moses in with him till he has at least taken some shots and taken them well..
Zhang is good risk vs reward for most cause I think at this point you will stop him eventually if your not snoring… . But I wouldent want Moses in with him till he has at least taken some shots and taken them well..
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
I'd be perfectly happy for Zhang to be next up.
Zhang isn't shot like Whyte. Dillian was washed up and offered nothing.
Zhang isn't shot like Whyte. Dillian was washed up and offered nothing.
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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Zhang v Moses on 13th Dec ? Has everyone gone completey mad? No way Frank risks his Golden Goose getting cooked with a puncher like the Chinaman: a big lump with a great chin too.
Plus It will gain him exactly nothing in world ranking - he’s getting his world title shot anyway, as long as he stays unbeaten. So doesn’t need a ranking boost.
They’ll be looking at someone who doesn’t punch too hard, and will give him rounds, like that American that everybody wants, hunter?
Plus It will gain him exactly nothing in world ranking - he’s getting his world title shot anyway, as long as he stays unbeaten. So doesn’t need a ranking boost.
They’ll be looking at someone who doesn’t punch too hard, and will give him rounds, like that American that everybody wants, hunter?
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Zhang has cardio issues but that has always been his primary issue. His defence isn't perfect too but despite his age, his hands are quick, has some of the best combinations in the division and has some of the best power in the division. Despite being past his athletic prime, he's still comfortably in the top 15. I think anyone complaining about Itauma taking it or the result itself would be a hater. However, I highly doubt Itauma takes it. The opponents he's been linked with aren't as good as Zhang.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
I have to say it's a bit depressing how desperate people are for an obviously very talented 20 year old to get thrown in the deep end too soon just because he's being promoted too well.
We all know it's a business. Enjoy the ride.
We all know it's a business. Enjoy the ride.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Yeah. I've managed not to fall into that myself. I know it's not Itauma's fault personally that his promoter is pushing him to the moon. He's just a fighter that's training, and fighting the fights. He didn't build the hype machine. He's just along for the ride the same way we are as far as how he's promoted for the most part. I mean...he could sign with a different promoter I suppose, but they're always going to hype him to the moon if he keeps looking like a star.
How many guys have won the World Heavyweight Championship under the age of 25? Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson immediately spring to mind. I think Anthony Joshua was under 25 when he picked up his first belts right? I'm sure there are others, but it's not many, it's really not a particularly common accomplishment. So yeah, everyone does indeed need to dial it back a little on what they want out of the kid.
Although I still say I'd like to see him fight Usyk before Usyk gets too old. Maybe in 1 year it would be the perfect time where Usyk isn't too old, and Itauma isn't too young.
How many guys have won the World Heavyweight Championship under the age of 25? Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson immediately spring to mind. I think Anthony Joshua was under 25 when he picked up his first belts right? I'm sure there are others, but it's not many, it's really not a particularly common accomplishment. So yeah, everyone does indeed need to dial it back a little on what they want out of the kid.
Although I still say I'd like to see him fight Usyk before Usyk gets too old. Maybe in 1 year it would be the perfect time where Usyk isn't too old, and Itauma isn't too young.
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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Parker was 24gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 06:47 How many guys have won the World Heavyweight Championship under the age of 25? Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson immediately spring to mind. I think Anthony Joshua was under 25 when he picked up his first belts right? I'm sure there are others, but it's not many, it's really not a particularly common accomplishment. So yeah, everyone does indeed need to dial it back a little on what they want out of the kid.
Some don't even turn over til mid 20's.
Parker was 20 when he turned pro
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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Zhang is a good test. Obviously though Frank has way more insider info than we do and he must know he's regressed alot.
He is slow as molasses but his timing is impeccable.
Would expect Itauma to come straight through him with speed, but Zhang has that well timed bang to make it interesting while the tank lasts.
He is slow as molasses but his timing is impeccable.
Would expect Itauma to come straight through him with speed, but Zhang has that well timed bang to make it interesting while the tank lasts.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Would be a good quiz question.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 06:50Parker was 24gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 06:47 How many guys have won the World Heavyweight Championship under the age of 25? Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson immediately spring to mind. I think Anthony Joshua was under 25 when he picked up his first belts right? I'm sure there are others, but it's not many, it's really not a particularly common accomplishment. So yeah, everyone does indeed need to dial it back a little on what they want out of the kid.
Soe don't even turn over til mid 20's.
Parker was 20 when he turned pro
Joe Louis, George Foreman were under 25 when they won the title
Wladimir Klitschko was when he first won a belt
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Zhang can't fire off unless he is set.TBA wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 07:04 Zhang is a good test. Obviously though Frank has way more insider info than we do and he must know he's regressed alot.
He is slow as molasses but his timing is impeccable.
Would expect Itauma to come straight through him with speed, but Zhang has that well timed bang to make it interesting while the tank lasts.
Watch anyone who can move, like Parker and Kayabel stunt Zhang just by moving.
Then imagine Itauma.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
In addition to that, the problem Zhang had with Parker was that Parker has an iron chin, great recovery and decent stamina too so even when Zhang did hit him, he kept going.KiwiRider wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 15:11Zhang can't fire off unless he is set.TBA wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025, 07:04 Zhang is a good test. Obviously though Frank has way more insider info than we do and he must know he's regressed alot.
He is slow as molasses but his timing is impeccable.
Would expect Itauma to come straight through him with speed, but Zhang has that well timed bang to make it interesting while the tank lasts.
Watch anyone who can move, like Parker and Kayabel stunt Zhang just by moving.
Then imagine Itauma.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
There's always been plenty of bluster when W@rren is involved.....linking his fighters to names that in reality they're never going to box is a tried & tested method.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
This.
Allegedly has done this for years and fair play to him.
He just reels off names but the one he picks is always the least threatening or, none of the ones he was tossing out there, with the usual excuses that no one wanted it, they all asked for too much money etc.
He is not out to impress the real boxing fans, as there is no money in that and to be fair, he doesn't care about the likes of us, why would he?
His target audience is PPV, casual fans and a network prepared to push with him, hype and the road of least resistance.
Much more £££'s to be made going down that path and he has done it for years. Again, I can't blame, even though I may not like it.
Having said that, Moses is a great prospect and is too good, already for many, just don't expect to see him with Zhiang anytime soon. Zhiang has good instincts and can punch, though only for about 5 rounds, tops. Still, a little too much risk to reward with that one, for allegedly's liking, imo.
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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
Can't see Frank risking a massive puncher like Zhang.
I rwckon they might reel out Walin
I rwckon they might reel out Walin
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Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
WBA CONFUSION MEANS MOSES ITAUMA'S RETURN LIKELY PUSHED BACK TO FEB. 7
Moses Itauma's 2025 campaign could be coming to an anticlimactic early ending.
BS have today reported the 20-year-old heavyweight contender, rated No. 9 by The Ring, could have his proposed Dec. 13 return postponed two months to February 7 after the WBA confusion surrounding Kubrat Pulev which unfolded over 24 hours last week.
The WBA ordered the Bulgarian, its "regular" beltholder, to face their No. 1-ranked contender in Itauma (13-0, 11 KOs) with a November 14 deadline to agree terms before purse bids.
The following day, the IBA - affiliated with the WBA - announced Pulev (32-3, 14 KOs) would instead be facing former IBF cruiserweight world champion Murat Gassiev (32-2, 25 KOs) next on December 12 in Dubai, with a press release which began: Moses Must Wait.
Pulev-Gassiev was not ordered and a source close to the situation told BS the sanctioning body should strip Pulev, assuming their matchup goes ahead as planned.
The 44-year-old was originally granted a voluntary defence after outpointing Mahmoud Charr last December, though displeased by the time taken to organise one, the WBA attempted to enforce a fight between him and then-No. 1 contender Michael Hunter.
Pulev-Hunter was awarded in May but again, the American planned to box compatriot Jarrell Miller as part of the Canelo Alvarez-Terence Crawford fight week festivities last month.
Although that matchup fell through, Hunter (24-1-2, 17 KOs) was moved back of the queue with Itauma assuming top spot after his explosive first-round knockout of Dillian Whyte.
Now though, The Ring's 2024 Prospect of the Year finds himself in a holding pattern waiting for another update on whether he'll be boxing in Manchester 12 days before Christmas.
He and Derek Chisora were to spearhead Queensberry's latest show up North in separate bouts, though speculation intensifies over who - if at all - either man will box. Queensberry chief allegedly has said Chisora's opponent will be announced at Joseph Parker-Fabio Wardley this weekend, while clarity over Itauma will be made in the coming days.
Moses Itauma's 2025 campaign could be coming to an anticlimactic early ending.
BS have today reported the 20-year-old heavyweight contender, rated No. 9 by The Ring, could have his proposed Dec. 13 return postponed two months to February 7 after the WBA confusion surrounding Kubrat Pulev which unfolded over 24 hours last week.
The WBA ordered the Bulgarian, its "regular" beltholder, to face their No. 1-ranked contender in Itauma (13-0, 11 KOs) with a November 14 deadline to agree terms before purse bids.
The following day, the IBA - affiliated with the WBA - announced Pulev (32-3, 14 KOs) would instead be facing former IBF cruiserweight world champion Murat Gassiev (32-2, 25 KOs) next on December 12 in Dubai, with a press release which began: Moses Must Wait.
Pulev-Gassiev was not ordered and a source close to the situation told BS the sanctioning body should strip Pulev, assuming their matchup goes ahead as planned.
The 44-year-old was originally granted a voluntary defence after outpointing Mahmoud Charr last December, though displeased by the time taken to organise one, the WBA attempted to enforce a fight between him and then-No. 1 contender Michael Hunter.
Pulev-Hunter was awarded in May but again, the American planned to box compatriot Jarrell Miller as part of the Canelo Alvarez-Terence Crawford fight week festivities last month.
Although that matchup fell through, Hunter (24-1-2, 17 KOs) was moved back of the queue with Itauma assuming top spot after his explosive first-round knockout of Dillian Whyte.
Now though, The Ring's 2024 Prospect of the Year finds himself in a holding pattern waiting for another update on whether he'll be boxing in Manchester 12 days before Christmas.
He and Derek Chisora were to spearhead Queensberry's latest show up North in separate bouts, though speculation intensifies over who - if at all - either man will box. Queensberry chief allegedly has said Chisora's opponent will be announced at Joseph Parker-Fabio Wardley this weekend, while clarity over Itauma will be made in the coming days.
Re: Moses Itauma vs. TBA - 13 December 2025
FW has said he will be debuting in the States