theone wrote
Yeah i saw him struggle with ordinary Layne
what fight were u watching, marciano dominated layne winning most of the rounds, then knocked out layne with one right hand that "sheered laynes front teeth off at the nubs".
the one wrote
He also went down alot from fighters who had nowhere near Holyfields power.
max schmeling had just as much power in his right hand as holyfield did in any punch and it took schmeling 12 rounds and many rounds to finally put away the 21 year old louis.
louis was knocked down by fighters who are all in THE RINGS TOP 100 GREATEST PUNCHERS
Evander is rated 77th by the RING
in comparison, these guys that knocked louis down
Max schmeling was rated 55
Jersey Joe walcott was rated 66
buddy baer was rated 69
rocky marciano was rated 14
not counting marciano, louis in his prime were knocked down by guys like schmeling, buddy baer, walcott who all hit as hard or harder than holyfield.
- walcott knockdowns or knockouts were all one punch, he didnt need combos like holy did. he put u down with either hand and needed only one punch
- buddy baer 6'7 250lbs was a hard hitter, harder than holy
- tony galento 233lbs had a very hard left hook
- i might add joe louis took a couple of hard max baers punches who was a class above holy in punching power
struggle with over achieving Walcott.
name me one modern heavy who has the boxing skills, defense, and incredible slick moves like jersey joe walcott?
And what would Holyfield be doing while Louis pounded away? He would be punching Louis back harder than anyone has ever hit him. he would be taking his punches better than anyone ever did. He would be using his supirior strenght to keep Louis on his heels for as long as it lasted.
max baer??? and like i said walcott, b. baer, schmeling, all hit as hard or harder than holyfield.
- joe louis was as big as holyfield. louis was 6'2 205lbs, holy was 208lbs. joe louis was very strong!!!!!!! LOUIS DURING A CLINCH EVEN LIFTED 270LB HEAVY PRIMO CARNERA IN THE AIR
Marciano and Dempsey would get beaten in half the time Holyfield beat Tyson . Tyson was bigger stronger faster and had a much better chin than those two, and looked how that came out.
ur using a washed up no heart tyson as a reason marciano and dempsey would lose to holy???
Holyfield was one of the strongest heavyweights of all time. how do you come to the conclusion that Johnson was stronger? most of the fighters Johnson fought were much smaller than him While Holyfield made a career out of fighting much bigger fighters.
Johnson had no problem pushing around guys like
6'2 227lb james jeffries
214lb tony ross
6'7 over 200lb denver ed martin
6'1 over 200lb hank griffin
6'7 230lb jess willard- for 20 rounds, a past his prime johnson had no trouble pushing willard around
210lb HOF Sam Mcvey - i have a pciture of him, HES JACKED ALL MUSCLE
6'1 over 200lbs joe butler
there are more, but ill LEAVE THAT TO SHERLOCK
and a old shot johnson in his 40s beat many fighters over 230lbs
- fact is johnson was just as big as holyfield .
johnson 6'2 205lbs holy 6'2 210lbs
theone wrote
All those fighter were better comp than Johnson Marciano or Dempsey ever faced.
- bert cooper was a journeyman, i would pick guys like roland laztarza, rex layne, old joe louis, carl morris, fred fulton, firpo, billy miske over cooper easy
- charles, walcott, moore, tunney, gibbons, sharkey would have all beat michael moorer
- bowe is unpredictable, i can seee charles and walcott, tunney outboxing bowe.
- an old past his prime 45 year old foreman would lose badly to charles and walcott, tunney and i think moore would outbox 45 year old foreman who didnt have his once deadly power. i would also pick guys like sharkey, fulton, over the old foreman who cant even beat alex stewart
