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Nero3000 wrote:

pundit wrote:

Decagon wrote:One of the guys who managed Carnera wrote a book about him. It listed Carnera's record with an asterix next to all the fights that were fixed.

So which fights were these? And is the Sharkey titlefight among them?

And is te guy credible?

Tell you what. Instead of me going through all my files from 15 years of doing organized crime research, why don't you just look up Primo Carnera, Owney Madden and the relationship of organized crime to boxing in the 1930s. There's literally tons of stuff on the subject and I have studied far too much of it to whittle it all down to recommend one or two definitive sources for anyone.

It's like someone asking me to prove and cite sources as to why Adolph Hitler or Josef Stalin were bad guys. It's all right out there for you to dive into yourself with no help needed from me.

Thanks for patronizing me.... I do know of course that Madden was a gangster who stole Carneras purses, that the managers of Baer and Braddock were rumored to be linked to organized crime as well, and that plentiful fights in the 1930s were rumored to be fixed - especially after Tex Rickard died who is credited with having kept boxing relatively clean in the 1920s.

It's news to me those that there would be specific, credible evidence about which of Carneras bouts were fixed. If you tell me where to look specifically I'd happily do so - but just telling me "look for yourself" does not help me much.

Decagon wrote:

pundit wrote:So which fights were these? And is the Sharkey titlefight among them?

And is te guy credible?

The Sharkey fight was included, but I personally can't vouch for the author's credibility. The book's long been out of print. Frederic Mullally's book on Carnera gives specifics of a few of Carnera's bouts which were fixed, including 12 of his first 14 wins. The evidence that Carnera engaged in fixed boxing matches is very damning.

Thanks. I'll look it up.
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what does everyone think about a patterson vs marcian 1956 matchup

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:what does everyone think about a patterson vs marcian 1956 matchup

I'll go out on a limb and predict fight of the year 1956. Patterson might have been chinny, and that would lead to his demise in the fight, but he could hit hard and had a style made for great fights. The Rock turns in one last great performance and knocks out Patterson in the 7th, but not before hitting the canvas once himself.

evndrbsn wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:what does everyone think about a patterson vs marcian 1956 matchup

I'll go out on a limb and predict fight of the year 1956. Patterson might have been chinny, and that would lead to his demise in the fight, but he could hit hard and had a style made for great fights. The Rock turns in one last great performance and knocks out Patterson in the 7th, but not before hitting the canvas once himself.

i agree

1956 rocky was slipping and he was now an accumalitive puncher and it would take him longer to dispose of the youthness and speed of patterson.


however a 1951-52 one punch rocky knocks out floyd in 1-3 rounds



the reason patterson matches up horribly vs rocky is patterson loved to brawl. he was like a slugger. he loved to come in and brawl. that would be the kiss of death because that would mean he would have to beat rocky at his own game.

charles and moore stayed on the outside and boxed rocky on there backfoot, a much better game plan

jack sharkey also told my father Tunney retired because he knew he couldnt beat the upcoming fighters.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:jack sharkey also told my father Tunney retired because he knew he couldnt beat the upcoming fighters.

Sounds like heresay evidence to me. Not sure Gene's relatives would agree with that assessment. More likely he wanted to leave the sport with his brain intatct.

As I posted a while back , Tunney had a fortune waiting for him in retirement in marrying Carnegie heiress Polly Lauder. That may have had something to do with his motivation level.

expug wrote:As I posted a while back , Tunney had a fortune waiting for him in retirement in marrying Carnegie heiress Polly Lauder. That may have had something to do with his motivation level.

Sounds much better than training non-stop to get into good enough shape to get punched in the head. Of course, he didn't get hit that much. Probably why he was able to snag her.

I have written a previous post about the possible
reason for Gene Tunney's retirement. Let me
add that Tunney was confident about his abilities
as a fighter and feared no one.

- Chuck Johnston

Tunney had a beautiful Fiancee waiting for him, A zillion frickin dollars, He was thr only human being in history to beat both Greb and Dempsey ,He was 31 years old and he was constantly getting ripped by fight fans for being to eriudite. Its very possible he may have said who needs this shit?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:jack sharkey also told my father Tunney retired because he knew he couldnt beat the upcoming fighters.

??????
Doesn't make sense.

basically sharkey is pissed tunney never fought him. sharkey always thought he was better than gene