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The myth that Lee had "super Heavyweight" power is also destroyed in that video, because that punching bag is most likely 60, 80, or 100 pounds; no more than that.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 21:18

Caractacus wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 13:39 Dang,you could see for yourself how amateurish that Bruce Lee had made all of those other Martial Art Champions and even boxers look who also did movies over the past 45 years.
Name some boxers or Martial Artists who looked better then Bruce Lee beating ass on the cinema screen then.

It's called choreography.
Surely you don't believe that how someone looks kicking ass onscreen translates to how they'd actually do in real life?
I mean, for Pete's Sake, Patrick Swayze looked damned good cleaning up on guys in ROADHOUSE but something tells me that he couldn't walk into the world's roughest bars & actually take care of business.

They say Tom MIx could! -- Harvey Parry (Hollywood stuntman; AAU Boxing Champion) use to tell a story of how the 1930s cowboy star Tom MIx wouldn't pull his punches; Parry said one day he got pissed and nailed the cowboy star back; he expected to be fired but no one complained (including Mix); supposedly if you catch one of Mix's (afternoon serial) cowboy movies he and Harvey Parry are choreographed in a strange way, (according to Parry) they took turns actually banging on each other.

BTW Parry also played 'the opponent' in James Gagney's boxing film, Winner Take All.

Solid troll job by Caractus.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 22:47 The myth that Lee had "super Heavyweight" power is also destroyed in that video, because that punching bag is most likely 60, 80, or 100 pounds; no more than that.

so the bag only may have weighed 100 pounds (possibly).
But did you see the way Bruce lee suspended it in mid-air just throwing light jabs mostly ?
Man,he was Great !

Caractacus wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 12:09

Absolute nonsense. It's against the laws of physics for one thing & Danny Inosanto was never hit by Joe Frazier to make an accurate comparison for another. LOL.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 22:47 The myth that Lee had "super Heavyweight" power is also destroyed in that video, because that punching bag is most likely 60, 80, or 100 pounds; no more than that.

Spot on. It's a 60 lb bag at most.
And, no, there's no truth the statement posted earlier in this thread that Lee filled his heavy bags with metal in order to make them more durable either. That's utter nonsense. He'd have destroyed his hands doing so.

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 02:24 Solid troll job by Caractus.

I'm beginning to think that you're right. LOL.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 21:18

Caractacus wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 13:39 Dang,you could see for yourself how amateurish that Bruce Lee had made all of those other Martial Art Champions and even boxers look who also did movies over the past 45 years.
Name some boxers or Martial Artists who looked better then Bruce Lee beating ass on the cinema screen then.

It's called choreography.
Surely you don't believe that how someone looks kicking ass onscreen translates to how they'd actually do in real life?
I mean, for Pete's Sake, Patrick Swayze looked damned good cleaning up on guys in ROADHOUSE but something tells me that he couldn't walk into the world's roughest bars & actually take care of business.

Sure but you're comparing boxing as a sport to fighting on the street. Not exactly the same thing. I've heard stories about Arturo Gatti getting beat up and dragged out of a club in a headlock by a bouncer.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 15:24

Caractacus wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 12:09

Absolute nonsense. It's against the laws of physics for one thing & Danny Inosanto was never hit by Joe Frazier to make an accurate comparison for another. LOL.

yeah,but Joe Lewis ( who sparred with Bruce Lee)said in that interview that he was hit in sparring by Joey Orbillo who was ranked #5 HW Boxer in 1965 (and Joey Orbillo was also a sparring partner to Ken Norton).

http://www.boxrec.com/en/boxer/22702

I think they only genuine question is wheter or not Bruce Lee could take a flush shot to the chin or a direct punch to the solar plexus from a Heavyweight Fighter.
well check out 0:37 and 1:32 into this clip and I think that answers the question.

Caractacus wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 12:08

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 22:47 The myth that Lee had "super Heavyweight" power is also destroyed in that video, because that punching bag is most likely 60, 80, or 100 pounds; no more than that.

so the bag only may have weighed 100 pounds (possibly).
But did you see the way Bruce lee suspended it in mid-air just throwing light jabs mostly ?
Man,he was Great !

Bags don’t hit back.

yeah,but they do swing back heavy and hard with momentum.

If you notice, very very few if any who trained with him, by him, or was an opponent, or even knew him ever said he was a fake or he couldn't fight. Everything everyone said is consistent with each other. The only ones saying he is all hyper are people who never knew him, some not even alive when he was around.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 14:03 If you notice, very very few if any who trained with him, by him, or was an opponent, or even knew him ever said he was a fake or he couldn't fight. Everything everyone said is consistent with each other. The only ones saying he is all hyper are people who never knew him, some not even alive when he was around.

Could it be possible that they are somewhat indebted to Bruce because he gave them a bigger platform than they previously had because of his status as an actor?

Prior to Norris, Walls, etc being in his films they were somethin of a novelty in the public eye because the general public looked at martial arts as inferior to boxing, etc.

It's like Norris has said many times, "I was a professional fighter, Bruce was not," although he's been complimentary of the man's quickness, fast learning, etc. the fact is that the only ass whoopings Bruce gave out was to his students (Coburn, McQueen, etc) who bragged about how badass Bruce was.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 14:03 If you notice, very very few if any who trained with him, by him, or was an opponent, or even knew him ever said he was a fake or he couldn't fight. Everything everyone said is consistent with each other. The only ones saying he is all hyper are people who never knew him, some not even alive when he was around.

I think most of them probably weren't even alive back in the 1970's.
They're probably just jealous that Bruce Lee was part of "the Greatest Generation",
so they just gotta tear him down (just like all the public libraries are getting rid of books
written before the year 2000.)Becuause they just so much smarter and superior then the people back then.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 16:45

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 14:03 If you notice, very very few if any who trained with him, by him, or was an opponent, or even knew him ever said he was a fake or he couldn't fight. Everything everyone said is consistent with each other. The only ones saying he is all hyper are people who never knew him, some not even alive when he was around.

Could it be possible that they are somewhat indebted to Bruce because he gave them a bigger platform than they previously had because of his status as an actor?

Prior to Norris, Walls, etc being in his films they were somethin of a novelty in the public eye because the general public looked at martial arts as inferior to boxing, etc.

It's like Norris has said many times, "I was a professional fighter, Bruce was not," although he's been complimentary of the man's quickness, fast learning, etc. the fact is that the only ass whoopings Bruce gave out was to his students (Coburn, McQueen, etc) who bragged about how badass Bruce was.

There are people comfirmed around him most have never heard of, who say Bruce was a beast. No one says the opposite.

Caractacus wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 16:48

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 14:03 If you notice, very very few if any who trained with him, by him, or was an opponent, or even knew him ever said he was a fake or he couldn't fight. Everything everyone said is consistent with each other. The only ones saying he is all hyper are people who never knew him, some not even alive when he was around.

I think most of them probably weren't even alive back in the 1970's.
They're probably just jealous that Bruce Lee was part of "the Greatest Generation",
so they just gotta tear him down (just like all the public libraries are getting rid of books
written before the year 2000.)Becuause they just so much smarter and superior then the people back then.

I've read many of his books on kung fu and his own training regime and it's on par with a fighters training, some of it incredible that he could do them, but clear he trained his but off daily.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 16:45

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 14:03 If you notice, very very few if any who trained with him, by him, or was an opponent, or even knew him ever said he was a fake or he couldn't fight. Everything everyone said is consistent with each other. The only ones saying he is all hyper are people who never knew him, some not even alive when he was around.

Could it be possible that they are somewhat indebted to Bruce because he gave them a bigger platform than they previously had because of his status as an actor?

Prior to Norris, Walls, etc being in his films they were somethin of a novelty in the public eye because the general public looked at martial arts as inferior to boxing, etc.

It's like Norris has said many times, "I was a professional fighter, Bruce was not," although he's been complimentary of the man's quickness, fast learning, etc. the fact is that the only ass whoopings Bruce gave out was to his students (Coburn, McQueen, etc) who bragged about how badass Bruce was.

Jim Kelly was legit.

No offense but some things concerning Lee are obviously fiction... For example... The claim that he could hold out in front of him 90 pounds without shaking or dipping the weight... Mind you he was 130 some odd pounds, so he was holding outwardly more than half his body weight.

I call BULLSHIT... Why?... I've watched every World's Strongest Man competition, and when I see 300+ pound behemoths struggle to hold out 40 pounds for 15 seconds... I know that there's no way in hell Bruce Lee ever could have done that with more than double the weight.

The assertion that not only was he the fastest but one of the strongest, especially when you consider his lifelong back issues.... I just don't buy.... It goes against physics... To claim he hit as hard (or harder) than Heavyweights would mean he'd have to be two, three or four times faster than Manny Pacquiao (who averages 806 pounds PSI in a single power punch) and they are virtually the same size.

Bruce Lee only worked out with a one hundred lbs bag at the most huh ? then check out this interview.

It's no different than Paddy Monaghan's kids and brother in law claiming that he was the bareknuckle Middleweight champion of the world.... When nobody in such communities heard of him, and medical records showed him to be an epileptic with heart problems... Friends, family, colleagues will say anything and it cannot be trusted especially in the light of much evidence to the contrary (ie, Penniless Paddy).

Sorta like how Warren was Lenny McLean's cousin and started out as a promoter on the unlicensed circuit, claiming Lenny was this unstoppable monster... Only to admit many years later that many of Lenny's wins were either fixed or heavily stacked in his favor.

This same principle is used in pushing Bruce Lee as something more than he was in reality.

Oh thats a bunch of BS claptrap revisionist theory nonsense of the 21st Century.
check out the SUPER-SONIC punch that Bruce Lee knocks out the dude in his hospital bed at 0;25 of this clip for proof.

Lee would have been a Lightweight cum Welter given his size, weight and his time, the 1960s.

No 5 '10" LW training down, so Lee, the LW at that time, would have been of equal stature to most of his peers then and I believe would have been at the Top.

he spent most of his career anyway, training, sparring or fighting Bigger men, so why wouldn't we think he couldn't be a Top LW Boxer.