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Collins2000 wrote:
Yeah, but don't forget, according to Granberry, Young and Shavers were "under instruction" to lose.

granberry wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:
Yeah, but don't forget, according to Granberry, Young and Shavers were "under instruction" to lose.

Show me where I said that, Collins.

Do you read with difficulty

or just like to make things up?

Young beat the sh*t out of Ali for 15 rounds. He didn't lose a round.

Herbert Muhammed, Ali's manager, left the arena before the decision was given, because he knew Ali lost.

Well Terap, I notice you dont deny your identity... I advise you to be more respectful in future, otherwise I may have to get you banned all over again matey.... 8)

Collins2000 wrote:Cranberry, maybe I read too much into your posts in the Cooper torn glove thread.

What exactly did you mean by:

The Shavers-Ali fight was what is called half-arranged fight.
EVERY TIME Shavers clobbered Ali he then would not follow up.

or this gem from the same thread:

It was obvious that Shavers was not following up after he clobbered Ali. Over and over. Anyone who saw the fight could see that.
I remember Young Gene Buffalo describing that fight as an obvious example of a "half-arranged" fight.

Ali was at Jimmy Young's mercy in the 13th, 14th, 15th rounds of their fight. Watch as Young hits Ali with a right hand, then lets him recover.
Repeatedly. One time as Ali suddenly backed away, showing he was hurt by a right hand, Young came forward and threw a sham right hand two feet off to the side of Ali's head, so that the stupid people watching would think he was trying to hit Ali again.

So, are you saying those fights were fixed or not? If not, can you explain what you are trying to say cos it isn't clear at all.

elmersalsa wrote:Willie Pep, no doubt!

Terry D wrote:Some Questions:

Are Ali and Young fighting it out for the title of best white boxer of all time? Were they part of the famous fighting Minstrel Troop and their real names are Hank Smith and Jimmy O'Oirish?

Is Granberry correct in that Young seems to be only famous for ducking his head out of the ropes?

Should one call for a ban just because they disagree with a person?

Is Silkov's 'real' head yellow, perfectly round and comprised off a limited number of expressions that can only be grasped via broadband?

Why is no one mentioning Joe Calzaghe as best white fighter of all time? He beat Jeff Lacy and Jeff is the best fighter ever!

donnellon wrote:Was Monzon not white?

Tysonfan wrote:Harry Greb or Jack Dempsey? Not sure it close between those 2 for me. Any challengers.

Terry D wrote:

sockdollanger wrote:

Terence wrote:He probably should have said caucasian.

indeed.

Or WASP As for the Jewish one, they live in Diaspora, accroding to Toranic scripture they are from the Eastern hemisphere and would be unlikely to have ginger hair and freckles.

I am not a huge fan of Jack Dempsey. Benny Leonard, from what I see, is the type of fighter who makes me think: "I'd like to be able to box like that." Yes, I know he may be be classed as 'white'.

I'm surprised no one has brought up Gerry Quarry, isn't he tied with Vitali for top rank?

Thunder and Lightning wrote:I am surprised nobody has mentioned Marciano i thought he would be the prime target huh each day you learn something new.

man wrote:

Thunder and Lightning wrote:I am surprised nobody has mentioned Marciano i thought he would be the prime target huh each day you learn something new.

it was not obvious, but he was of ... chinese origin.

overhand wrote:

man wrote:

Thunder and Lightning wrote:I am surprised nobody has mentioned Marciano i thought he would be the prime target huh each day you learn something new.

it was not obvious, but he was of ... chinese origin.

Wherent his parents Italian? -or was that sarcasm?

I Feel Fine wrote:I think its clearly Greb. You look at his resume and its just a list inundated with big names and big wins. He's arguably the greatest fighter of all time, let alone greatest white fighter.

Jaclem wrote:..man....i once wrote a book that was a parody of the "believe it or not" books and said "john l. sullivan's middle name was louise" and got a lot of mail either "correcting" me or how strange that was for he-man like him.

that was along time ago. I am no longer surprised by anything.

man wrote:

I Feel Fine wrote:I think its clearly Greb. You look at his resume and its just a list inundated with big names and big wins. He's arguably the greatest fighter of all time, let alone greatest white fighter.

you are entitled to your opinion. i just would like to
dispute the "clearly" in your statement since rocky
marciano (49-0) used to walk on this planet and if
i recall correctly the italians count as "white". or are
we here in some arian-type discussion thing and i
am just missing the real point.

I Feel Fine wrote:

man wrote:

I Feel Fine wrote:I think its clearly Greb. You look at his resume and its just a list inundated with big names and big wins. He's arguably the greatest fighter of all time, let alone greatest white fighter.

you are entitled to your opinion. i just would like to
dispute the "clearly" in your statement since rocky
marciano (49-0) used to walk on this planet and if
i recall correctly the italians count as "white". or are
we here in some arian-type discussion thing and i
am just missing the real point.

I, in fact, am Italian, and Harry Greb is clearly the greatest white fighter of all time, if not the greatest over all fighter of all time. If I had to pick a #2, it would be Pep, not Marciano.