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MERC wrote:I didnt start this post looking for a fight... I just thought it was wrong what boxrec did and I needed to vent... I mean come on he was listed as Irish before he got a little exp then they change that to british, what a joke.

he has actually been listed as Irish twice on this site - firstly when he was relatively unknown and then it was changed to Birtish after he got a few wins - then an editor changed in back to Irish until JohnShep altered it back to British.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

SticknMove wrote:There must be a 1000 posts on this subject already.

The political reality is that the Good Friday Agreement laid the framework, whereby anyone in the political divide can be classed as British or Irish. This has been endorsed in International Law and Nationalist/Republican members of that community can apply for an Irish passport, thus their status is then Irish. This is the simple fact and no other debate is necessary. John Duddy has an Irish passport therefore he is Irish. That should be the end of it.

This is the best boxing website on the internet and has a forum to match and I am baffled as to why boxrec are dragging their heals over what should be, from their standpoint as a boxing forum, a trivial matter.

Perhaps Duddy wants to be classed as British, who knows. My mym was a catholic who grew up in Northern Ireland, and did not have the priviledge of claiming an Irish passport. Duddy wouldn't have done either until recently.

Tehcnically speaking, Northern Ireland is still part of the union, that's a simple fact, so Duddy is in fact technically British. Whether he calls himself Irish or English or British is up to him, but Boxrec is correct in stating him as being someone who is born within the British Isles.

There is no loyalist tone to my argument, as I am the product of two catholics from Northern Ireland, but the facts are plain.

Well, as I understand it Duddy has requested that his status be changed to Irish on boxrec. This was confirmed by someone who was part of the 'Clan Duddy'. I think it is pretty clear that he wants to be categorised as Irish. As regards your good old mum not having the privilege of claiming an Irish passport, this would not be the case nowadays if she resides in the North of Ireland. The GFA is an Anglo-Irish agreement aimed at appeasing both sides of the divide by laying down the framework whereby anyone could maintain their Britishness or claim their Irish birthright. Quite right too IMO.

To say that Duddy is technically British, is to ignore all the hard work that has gone into the GFA and the new political reality. Boxrec should respect Duddy's wish to be classed as Irish if not only for reasons of political sensitivity, but because this is the reality.

Well, if Duddy wants to be classed as Irish and there is a legimiate geopolitical claim to do so, I'm all for it. Can't see any reason not to change it myself, but then' it's not my site, and legally speaking there is no reason why anyone who owns a site would have to, unless they were legally incorrect, which they aren't as Duddy has dual nationality or at least the right to claim dual nationality.

Well, if Duddy wants to be classed as Irish and there is a legimiate geopolitical claim to do so, I'm all for it

lol I have been saying that from the beginning, and getting bashed for it too... thanks for hopping on board...

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Well, if Duddy wants to be classed as Irish and there is a legimiate geopolitical claim to do so, I'm all for it. Can't see any reason not to change it myself, but then' it's not my site, and legally speaking there is no reason why anyone who owns a site would have to, unless they were legally incorrect, which they aren't as Duddy has dual nationality or at least the right to claim dual nationality.

Under the GFA you dont not have to claim dual nationality - you cant claim either one of the other - Duddy has claimed Irish solely

SticknMove wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

SticknMove wrote:There must be a 1000 posts on this subject already.

The political reality is that the Good Friday Agreement laid the framework, whereby anyone in the political divide can be classed as British or Irish. This has been endorsed in International Law and Nationalist/Republican members of that community can apply for an Irish passport, thus their status is then Irish. This is the simple fact and no other debate is necessary. John Duddy has an Irish passport therefore he is Irish. That should be the end of it.

This is the best boxing website on the internet and has a forum to match and I am baffled as to why boxrec are dragging their heals over what should be, from their standpoint as a boxing forum, a trivial matter.

Perhaps Duddy wants to be classed as British, who knows. My mym was a catholic who grew up in Northern Ireland, and did not have the priviledge of claiming an Irish passport. Duddy wouldn't have done either until recently.

Tehcnically speaking, Northern Ireland is still part of the union, that's a simple fact, so Duddy is in fact technically British. Whether he calls himself Irish or English or British is up to him, but Boxrec is correct in stating him as being someone who is born within the British Isles.

There is no loyalist tone to my argument, as I am the product of two catholics from Northern Ireland, but the facts are plain.

Well, as I understand it Duddy has requested that his status be changed to Irish on boxrec. This was confirmed by someone who was part of the 'Clan Duddy'. I think it is pretty clear that he wants to be categorised as Irish. As regards your good old mum not having the privilege of claiming an Irish passport, this would not be the case nowadays if she resides in the North of Ireland. The GFA is an Anglo-Irish agreement aimed at appeasing both sides of the divide by laying down the framework whereby anyone could maintain their Britishness or claim their Irish birthright. Quite right too IMO.

To say that Duddy is technically British, is to ignore all the hard work that has gone into the GFA and the new political reality. Boxrec should respect Duddy's wish to be classed as Irish if not only for reasons of political sensitivity, but because this is the reality.

Spot on - however, there is too much sense being spoken here - for that reason Boxrec will probably pull the thread (again!)

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can't see any reason not to change it myself, but then' it's not my site, and legally speaking there is no reason why anyone who owns a site would have to, unless they were legally incorrect, which they aren't as Duddy has dual nationality or at least the right to claim dual nationality.

Correct - he can put him down as French if he wants - he has no legal obligation - just a moral one and for the sake of his credibility

Correct - he can put him down as French if he wants - he has no legal obligation - just a moral one and for the sake of his credibility

so maybe everyone that bashed me for bringing it up should check thier own morals...

MERC wrote:

Correct - he can put him down as French if he wants - he has no legal obligation - just a moral one and for the sake of his credibility

so maybe everyone that bashed me for bringing it up should check thier own morals...

Now, now MERC quit whilst Sligo and myself make your case.

Ok stick but I thought I made a pretty good case also... thanks for the reinforcements though

MERC wrote:Ok stick but I thought I made a pretty good case also... thanks for the reinforcements though

Your attitude was dreadful and its only through people making the point without resorting to the kind of aggressive/confrontatinal tone that you did that people are lsitening to the facts of the case.

Terry I guess you didnt see the 100 other bashful posts. and like i said before, search duddy and you will see I made another thread like this a day before this thread was started... please look that up and tell me I had a "dreadful" attitude... oh and btw that thread is now LOCKED! terrific huh?

MERC wrote:Why does this site say that John Duddy is British... thats rediculus and it needs to be changed. :x what the hell is wrong with you dumb brits, show some frikin respect. JOHN DUDDY = IRISH!!!!!

Once you've spent some time on Internet forums you will come to learn that using one of your first posts in this manner is going to rub people up the wrong way.

This site has been around years before you joined and is comprehensive and free to use so I personally don't think you (or I for that matter but especially you, at least I've had a pint with the owner of the site) have the right to slag the site off and call people 'dumb Brits' with your opening gambit.

If I were you I'd change my username and start again because I would hazard a guess that 75% of the posters on here think you are a cock.

Goz wrote: If I were you I'd change my username and start again because I would hazard a guess that 75% of the posters on here think you are a cock.

I would say 75% is a conservative estimate..

sligobhoy67 wrote:

The Hawk wrote:

sligobhoy67 wrote: Does Eamonn hold an Irish passport??

I'd be surprised if anyone in the part of Belfast Eamonn Magee is from held a British passport

Hi Hawk, I know that - however, I am just askingthe question as I am not 100% sure of Magees postion, also Magee fought for a commonwealth title so he may have had to produce a passport from a commonwealth country for that fight.

Also as an amatuer Duddy fought for Irish titles, lived and trained in Dublin and also for Ireland on a national level - I am not sure in eamonn did.

To be honest I don't know if Eamonn did have to produce a British passport for that, maybe he did. I think to Earn money and fight for titles, Magee would of had a British passport if he had too, must be the only one there if he did

MERC wrote:I didnt start this post looking for a fight... I just thought it was wrong what boxrec did and I needed to vent... I mean come on he was listed as Irish before he got a little exp then they change that to british, what a joke.

To be fair, I think we'll list him as English until he loses. Then we'll list him as Irish.

I think you are being paranoid. Next you'll be telling us that great English fighters like Billy Conn, Barry McGuigan and Steve Collins were actualy Irish!

MightyWarrior wrote:

MERC wrote:I didnt start this post looking for a fight... I just thought it was wrong what boxrec did and I needed to vent... I mean come on he was listed as Irish before he got a little exp then they change that to british, what a joke.

To be fair, I think we'll list him as English until he loses. Then we'll list him as Irish.

I think you are being paranoid. Next you'll be telling us that great English fighters like Billy Conn, Barry McGuigan and Steve Collins were actualy Irish!

They were English and Benn and Eubank are good Ulstermen!

I remember watching Connamara's Randolph Turpin rip the world middleweight title from Sugar Ray Robinson all those years ago.

A few pints of the black stuff were downed throughout the emerald isle that night!

Great memories.

Didn't Wayne McCullough fight for All Ireland in the amatuers? He is from NI.

Andy Mac wrote:Didn't Wayne McCullough fight for All Ireland in the amatuers? He is from NI.

I think the amatuer boxing is All Ireland as in Northern Ireland and the Republic fight as one.

I'm not fully up on the amatuer game, I should go to a few shows, I hear there is some really good events North and South.

c2ute wrote:I wonder if Duddy was offereda big money fight for the th Brit title against, say Carl Froch, would he take it?

Doubtful.

He simply doesnt need it - he is making big bucks raising the hopes of East Coast fight fans in the US.

Lets remember aswell that Duddy was originally loathe to turn pro.

He had a fairly successful amateur career but had to be coaxed into turning pro - he is now making hay while the sun shines, and who can blame him?

Andy Mac wrote:Didn't Wayne McCullough fight for All Ireland in the amatuers? He is from NI.

In the Olympics North and South Ireland are a united team.

As a protestant from the hard line shankill rd area, wayne boxing for 'All Ireland' is a sore point for many even to this day...

TerribleTerry wrote:

Andy Mac wrote:Didn't Wayne McCullough fight for All Ireland in the amatuers? He is from NI.

In the Olympics North and South Ireland are a united team.

As a protestant from the hard line shankill rd area, wayne boxing for 'All Ireland' is a sore point for many even to this day...

Really? As an atheist i dont go in for any of that shit, so i didn't know.

MERC wrote:lol yea im sure everyone in the world wants to be a dumbass BRIT.. good logic though

No such thing, its just a word. Pakistani's, Africans, Chinese, Indians, Jews, all can be British. Much like anyone or anything can be American. But like the native Americans, can only be true Americans only English people can be English.

livingstone cole wrote:Were do you draw the line on that Andy? Only English people can be English, well we're such a bastardised nation and we always have been. Being a Yorkshire lad chances are I've got quite a bit Viking in me, and my mother is from bonnie Scotland so in terms of being a 'true' Englishman, I'm about on the same level as Those Africans, Jews, Pakistani's and Chinese will be in the next hundred or so years.

Quite simple really livingstone, where you are born is what nationality you are. My point is you can be born anywhere that Britain once controlled and obtain British citizenship. You can only be English, Scottish, or Welsh if you are born in one of those countries.