What boxers turrned pro or are turning pro, this year?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Nov 2007, 14:12

You Have to make a good name for yourselves in the amateurs... Real Good win a Gold at the Olympic's

Unfortunately, that doesn't make things better any more. Andre Ward got $500,000 signing bonus compared to William's and Juarez's million in 2000.

JohnDoe · Post by **JohnDoe** » 21 Nov 2007, 16:05

A half-million dollars as a signing bonus is not good? It obviously doesn't compare to top athletes of main stream sports, but it's a hell of a lot better than any 22-year-old's salary coming out of an Ivy League school!

If you can't make that kind of money work for you so you are set for the future, than you've already been hit in the head too many times.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 21 Nov 2007, 17:16

boxmel wrote:
You Have to make a good name for yourselves in the amateurs... Real Good win a Gold at the Olympic's
Unfortunately, that doesn't make things better any more. Andre Ward got $500,000 signing bonus compared to William's and Juarez's million in 2000.

The busts from the previous Olympics are reducing the value of the Olympic medals. Williams was a bust. Juarez isn't a bust, but he isn't doing as well as an Oscar or Sugar Ray. The value of Olympic medals isn't what it once was, but it still helps. Boxing is sort of a feast or famine sport. There are guys who are journeyman who do OK, but it is a real tough way to make $50,000+ per year.

ringrat4life · Post by **ringrat4life** » 21 Nov 2007, 17:37

Dennis wrote:
boxmel wrote:
You Have to make a good name for yourselves in the amateurs... Real Good win a Gold at the Olympic's
Unfortunately, that doesn't make things better any more. Andre Ward got $500,000 signing bonus compared to William's and Juarez's million in 2000.
The busts from the previous Olympics are reducing the value of the Olympic medals. Williams was a bust. Juarez isn't a bust, but he isn't doing as well as an Oscar or Sugar Ray. The value of Olympic medals isn't what it once was, but it still helps. Boxing is sort of a feast or famine sport. There are guys who are journeyman who do Okay, but it is a real tough way to make $50,000+ per year.

This is a very hard life, for the boxer and his family. It doesn't last long maybe 10 years if you are lucky, and trust me the money goes. B-Hop is an exception to the rule, he is like one of those battery's that just keep on going and going... There are also lot's of problems for athlete's that stay in the sport too long. This is why my advice would always be to get an education first just to fall back on. You can always do something with an education, just incase everything isn't as golden as the promises that we hear.
I would also say with my next breath of air that I personally have been very lucky, and it's been a very big adventure. Even getting MS at 35 years of age and never winning a world title. I never got where I feel I should have got, and I am 1 month younger than B-Hop. I have been amazed with him and everything he has accomplished. I know how hard he has had to work, and I take my hat off to him. He deserves everything he has.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 22 Nov 2007, 01:37

Most of the guys that succeed in boxing work very hard to make it. They deserve their rewards.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 23 Nov 2007, 12:46

verballistic wrote:
Dennis wrote:
boxmel wrote: Unfortunately, that doesn't make things better any more. Andre Ward got $500,000 signing bonus compared to William's and Juarez's million in 2000.
The busts from the previous Olympics are reducing the value of the Olympic medals. Williams was a bust. Juarez isn't a bust, but he isn't doing as well as an Oscar or Sugar Ray. The value of Olympic medals isn't what it once was, but it still helps.
that doesnt just hold true for americans either!!

look how much lower in caliber wlad klitschko is compared to ali, frazier, foreman or even holyfield...who competed at 178 in 1984 OG!! in wlad's case it may have something to do with the headgear masking his inability to take a punch!!

i think the last 2 olympic medalists who have really excelled as pros have been oscar and mayweather!!

You just listed 4 of the greatest heavyweights that have lived and said Wlad Klitschko hasn't lived up to them. Well no duh. What do you expect? If you want a complete bust from an Olympic Gold Medal, look at audley (Fraudley) Harrison.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 23 Nov 2007, 13:02

I definitely would not call Wlad Klitschko a bust. He is HW champion of the world. He is the best HW right now and has been one of the top guys for more than 5 years.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Nov 2007, 12:48

The busts from the previous Olympics are reducing the value of the Olympic medals. Williams was a bust. Juarez isn't a bust, but he isn't doing as well as an Oscar or Sugar Ray. The value of Olympic medals isn't what it once was, but it still helps.

If you're saying that the managers/promoters are a bit more wary, then I will agree with you. I also think it's because there isn't as much money as there was 7 years ago. Not all Olympians have turned into top pros, so I am going to disagree with your "busts" opinion.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Nov 2007, 15:09

The promoters who were shelling out the big money for Olympic gold considered anything less than a World title with multiple defenses a bust. I'm not saying I do, but that was the perception. I think a lot of the general public even had that perception.

ctill · Post by **ctill** » 24 Nov 2007, 16:32

In my conversations with different world class level trainers. They all seem to think the pitty pat style in the amatuers has hurt most of best amatuers in the pro game because most them cant adapt to actually "fighting",and since alot of them have been boxing that way their whole life its hard to reteach them.

ringrat4life · Post by **ringrat4life** » 24 Nov 2007, 17:28

We are working in a sport that can't even help educate athlete's where probably 75% of them (us) come from low income backgrounds. Most are just looking to get in shape and have some fun. It would be nice if we could be like other sports and find a way to help our athletes get an education first. NMU was a great program, it's too bad we couldn't have 3 or 4 of these programs in the US. We can't even help keep one going, that's too bad for boxing.

There are plenty of promoters making lots of money off of our sport and the athletes. Do they(promoters) help our sport in anyway or even care what happens to our athletes, that they make money off of... Blood and guts, right!! We don't even have a retirement plan for the athletes that get hurt at work, entertaining all of the fans. Most of these athletes have nothing to fall back on, most don't even have a medical plan. The money only lasts so long and then what?? Some end up in jail, and we all end up reading about them doing something crazy. We need more ways to help our athletes get an education, medical plan, and a retirement plan for all boxers just incase they become ill. Boxing is a very tough sport.

Before we can talk about who was a bust... Anyone who has been in the ring knows the feeling, and I am just trying to understand what makes a man a bust??? Not paying off the promoters gamble, when he invests in the athlete?? I feel the bust is the coaches, the managers, and the promoters. No one would be a bust if we could educate, and give a medical plan, and a retirement plan. California is working on a retirement package. This needs to be across all of the United States.

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 24 Nov 2007, 20:35

ctill wrote:In my conversations with different world class level trainers. They all seem to think the pitty pat style in the amatuers has hurt most of best amatuers in the pro game because most them cant adapt to actually "fighting",and since alot of them have been boxing that way their whole life its hard to reteach them.

Agree. My coach trains both pros and amatuers and has me mixing it up. I consider that the bes option.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Nov 2007, 21:48

The European coaches were surprised at how well my son could box and bang. He has learned to do both. He knows how to deal with old-school dirty tricks too. I've taught him how to deal with almost anything that could happen because anything can happen. He has been hit low, hit in the thighs, hit in the back of the head, hit in the back, etc. He has been elbowed, kneed, forearmed, headbutted, and body-slammed. When someone tries something he isn't surprised. That is something I expect my boxers to learn. They know how to box clean and that is what I expect, but they won't be caught off guard by a dirty boxer either. You can learn to box and land punches as an amateur and still be an exciting pro later.

ringrat4life · Post by **ringrat4life** » 24 Nov 2007, 23:21

Dennis wrote:The European coaches were surprised at how well my son could box and bang. He has learned to do both. He knows how to deal with old-school dirty tricks too. I've taught him how to deal with almost anything that could happen because anything can happen. He has been hit low, hit in the thighs, hit in the back of the head, hit in the back, etc. He has been elbowed, kneed, forearmed, headbutted, and body-slammed. When someone tries something he isn't surprised. That is something I expect my boxers to learn. They know how to box clean and that is what I expect, but they won't be caught off guard by a dirty boxer either. You can learn to box and land punches as an amateur and still be an exciting pro later.

Doesn't sound like he has been bitten yet... Mike Tyson wasn't the first to bite someone. I was tought by my first trainer in the mid 70's before ABF took over, from the AAU. You have to do on to others as they do you. We can box clean, but if it gets dirty you have to know how to give it right back to them, American, USSR(Russia and all of the other new country's), Cuba, Europe, or even in the pros. It's how we get respect!! a dirty fighter only respects a thumb and or an elbow in his eye... We also all know AIBA rules can be very enabling to dirty boxers. I do not teach my boxers to be dirty, just one that can hold his own if it was to get dirty.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 26 Nov 2007, 10:16

Mario - that's right the boxers have to be ready for anything. My son has been bitten a few times in sparring over the years. A lot more has happened in sparring than in the actual bouts, but quite a bit has happened there too.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 26 Nov 2007, 11:12

Dennis wrote:Mario - that's right the boxers have to be ready for anything. My son has been bitten a few times in sparring over the years. A lot more has happened in sparring than in the actual bouts, but quite a bit has happened there too.

Who the heck bites someone in sparring?! Come to think of it; how do you bite someone in sparring? Do you spit the mouthpiece and go for the jugular?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 30 Nov 2007, 02:07

Kolya - you haven't been around long enough. Just wait and see. If you spar with old pros you will find out. LOL.

Some guys do very well with the mouthpiece in and can even move it out of the way. Others aren't as talented and they have to spit it out to bite, but that takes away some of the subtlety.

NYboxing · Post by **NYboxing** » 30 Nov 2007, 23:42

Bantamweight Serigo Perales made his debut in his hometown of Brownsville, Texas on Friday night and posted a first-round knockout with a left to the body Friday night, which was televised on Telefutura.

the_one · Post by **the_one** » 01 Dec 2007, 11:50

I also heard Danny Jacobs, Danny Garcia, and a few top ameratuers are fighting on the undercard of Mayweather vs. Hatton. this is great for both of them, congrats and good luck to both of them!!

zhdamistro · Post by **zhdamistro** » 01 Dec 2007, 19:48

[quote="Dennis"]Kolya - you haven't been around long enough. Just wait and see. If you spar with old pros you will find out. LOL.

Some guys do very well with the mouthpiece in and can even move it out of the way. Others aren't as talented and they have to spit it out to bite, but that takes away some of the subtlety.[/quote]

out of curiosity what did you do when seeing that? how did your son respond. If i get bit in the ring when sparring not only would i start a brawl right then id go to my car and get my tire iron out.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 02 Dec 2007, 02:44

Usually when something like that happens it is because he is getting to the other guy. He got upset, but he kept his cool and just worked harder and landed more punches. I just laughed because the guy paid the price for doing it.

NYboxing · Post by **NYboxing** » 03 Dec 2007, 21:26

add Fernando Guerrero to list of amateurs turning pro:

PRESS RELEASE: Prize Fight Boxing has announced the signing of red-hot amateur prospect and much sought-after 20 year-old middleweight Fernando Guerrero to a multiyear promotional contract. “We are obviously very excited to sign with Prize Fight," said Guerrero's manager-trainer Hal Chernoff.

The American media has been slow to react to the buzz about Guerrero. But Prize Fight is looking to change all that when he steps into the ring for the first time as a professional on the successful fight series “Fights at the Fitz” Saturday, December 8, at the Fitzgeralds Casino in Tunica, Miss., as Prize Fight closes out yet another successful year of sold out fights.

The Dominican native, who moved to Salisbury, MD, at the age of eight with his family, has had an exceptional amateur career. Recently, Guerrero put on an impressive show at the U.S National Championships in Colorado Springs back in June 2007. Guerrero forced Terrance Hanaway of Lander, NY, to retire, stopped Donta Woods of Atlanta, GA, before capturing first place with an all-out war against Shawn Porter, the 2008 US Olympic representative. [Porter eliminated Guerrero from the US Olympic Trials by a narrow 22-19 margin].

“After watching Fernando fight in Colorado Springs I quickly realized he was the hottest prospect I had seen in years. He possesses the speed, power and skills to become a world champion, I knew I had to make it a top priority to sign Guerrero to the Prize Fight stable. The process took five months, but with the help of Barry Hunter and Hal Chernoff, we were able to come to terms on a promotional agreement," stated Russ Young.

“We are obviously very excited to sign with Prize Fight, they have a great reputation as one of the best promoters in the business… we are looking forward to getting in the ring and fighting our way to the top. We could not be happier,” said manager-trainer Hal Chernoff.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 03 Dec 2007, 21:32

They always mess that up. Terrence Hanaway is from Lander, WY; Fernando knocked one of his teeth out in the second round.

And when did they switch it up on us and make Shawn Porter the Olympic rep?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Dec 2007, 00:16

Sigh. The pro publicists never get anything right - well, sometimes, but not 100%.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 Dec 2007, 00:26

Hal - good luck on the 8th.