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Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:01
by granberry
WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:08
by Jaybee From The Castle
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
Jaybee From The Castle wrote:Some life, getting beatings from guys, shaking another man's hand for a couple of seconds, then living the last 20+ years as weak as you were once fearsome.

I'll take Frazier's, thanks.
Frazier's life isn't all sunshine and roses...He lost a toe to diabetes...Anybody familar with the progression of the disease knows once it has progressed that far the whole limb is in danger...

As for Ali it's not just shaking people's hands...Ali , nearly thirty years after his last fight is one of the most recognized men on Earth...He's an icon , up there with Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods...

His "image" was so valuable that he was able to sell the rights for it for $50,000,000.00:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4901662.stm

Most men lead lives of quiet desperation... "I would rather have fifteen minutes of something wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."
Appreciate that Ali is much more recognised outside the Boxing fanbase, I also appreciate the Thoreau quote, but you're not talking to one of those men, and I'm sorry if I in turn am. I wouldn't swap the final 20 years of my life for Ali's final two decades, not for all the money in the world. I've got plenty, certainly nowhere as wealthy as Ali was, but happiness in my life is the rule, not the exception. I once had my arm in a sling for a couple of weeks, worst feeling in the world, you are utterly emasculated. Multiply that a hundred-fold to what Ali degenerated into - I don't think I'd want to continue living. Really.

I want to hit 60 like Stallone, not Ali.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:15
by TheOneIsHere2008
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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That picture is iconic because Ali on his can is so rare...

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=2219166

And from a Republican president no less...

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:23
by TheOneIsHere2008
yiddo14 wrote:
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
Jaybee From The Castle wrote:Some life, getting beatings from guys, shaking another man's hand for a couple of seconds, then living the last 20+ years as weak as you were once fearsome.

I'll take Frazier's, thanks.
Frazier's life isn't all sunshine and roses...He lost a toe to diabetes...Anybody familar with the progression of the disease knows once it has progressed that far the whole limb is in danger...

As for Ali it's not just shaking people's hands...Ali , nearly thirty years after his last fight is one of the most recognized men on Earth...He's an icon , up there with Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods...

His "image" was so valuable that he was able to sell the rights for it for $50,000,000.00:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4901662.stm

Most men lead lives of quiet desperation... "I would rather have fifteen minutes of something wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."
Babe Ruth should NOT be on that list!

You are talking as if Frazier is a nobody who gets barely recognised.

Frazier was a Boxer. Boxing fans will always remember him just as much as Ali.

Forget the "love" of the general public who care little for what Ali did in the ring(what he did best)
90% of the adulation he receives from Joe Bloggs is fake shit based on "Ali's" quips and Addidas adverts.

To me both guys are legends for what they showed in the ring, not because they have managed to get their face on a t-shirt worn by some fashion conscious numpty that would not know "The Rumble In The Jungle" from a fumble with himself.

I'm not disrespecting Frazier though I don't think it's particularly nice he's happy Ali has Parkinson's Syndrome...I am making the point that Muhammad Ali was an iconic figure, ergo:


Have you ever wondered who made the top one hundred important people in the twentieth century? What made them famous? How did they do it? You’ll learn about ten luminaries that are listed in Time Magazine's "Most Important People of the Century". The Time 100 list comprises one hundred important people from such categories as: leaders & revolutionaries, artists & entertainers, builders & titans, scientists & thinkers, and heroes & icons. Those mentioned here are in chronological order, based on the year they became famous.










Henry Ford: American. In 1908 he was praised for the first mass-produced automobile, the Model T. He produced an affordable car, paid high wages and helped create a middle class. Not bad for an autocrat.

Sir Winston Churchill: English. In 1944 he exalted in the success of the D-day invasion. The master statesman stood alone against fascism and renewed the world's faith in the superiority of democracy. Without a doubt one of the world’s most important people.

Estée Lauder: American. In 1948 she began her billion-dollar cosmetics empire. She transformed beauty into big business by cultivating classy sales methods and giving away samples.

Mother Teresa of Calcutta: Albanian. In 1952 she was founder of the Missionaries of Charity in India. In fighting for the dignity of the destitute in a foreign land, she gave the world a moral example that bridged divides of culture, class and religion.

Lucille Ball: American. In 1952 the first lady of comedy brought us laughter as well as emotional truth. No wonder everybody loved Lucy.

Muhammad Ali aka Cassius Clay, Jr.: American. In 1960 he was celebrated for winning a gold medal at the Rome Olympics, and in 1967 as the greatest boxing heavyweight champion of all time. Floating, stinging, punching, prophesying, he transformed his sport and became the world's most adored athlete.

Rachel Carson: American. In 1962 she was an acclaimed zoologist and marine biologist. Before there was an environmental movement, there was one brave woman and her very brave book. Silent Spring, serialized in the New Yorker, gored corporate oxen all over the country.

The Beatles: English. In 1964 they were renowned for the film "A Hard Day’s Night" and in 1967 the "Sgt. Pepper" era. Irrepressible and irresistible, they were — and remain — the world's most astonishing rock-'n'-roll band.

Margaret Thatcher: English. In 1979 she was known as the "Iron Lady" or simply "Maggie". She was British Prime Minister for eleven years. Champion of free minds and markets, she helped topple the welfare state and make the world safer for capitalism.

Naturally your choice of which celebrities were more important than others will no doubt be different but as you can see, this gives you a brief summary of some of the best. Now at least you won’t be stumped when you’re asked if you’ve heard of these important people.

Keith J. Valentine began his interest in leaders, artists, builders, scientists and icons, at seventeen. Now 52, he has written several articles about renowned individuals. For more on celebrities, tips and a free e-zine, please visit 101 Easy Articles


http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ten-impo ... ntury.html


Ali's in the company of Winston Churchill, Lady Thatcher, Albert Einstein, Mother Tersesa Of Calcutta, Henry Ford, and the Beatles...Not bad work for a black kid from Loiusville, Kentucky

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:45
by raylawpc
That is the opinion of a writer from Time magazine . . . nothing more, nothing less.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:54
by TheOneIsHere2008
raylawpc wrote:That is the opinion of a writer from Time magazine . . . nothing more, nothing less.
Here's more lists:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ssat2.htm

http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 73,00.html

If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:59
by TheOneIsHere2008
I don't even know what we are arguing about.

I never disrespected Joe Frazier or anybody in this thread... I opined that Muhammad Ali was a cultural icon and a transcendent sports figure and if having Parkinson's Syndrome was the price he had to pay, imho, it was worth it...He says he would have done it all over again and I respect that...

PEACE

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 17:03
by raylawpc
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:That is the opinion of a writer from Time magazine . . . nothing more, nothing less.
Here's more lists:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ssat2.htm

http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 73,00.html

If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
The Time writer wrote "he transformed his sport and became the world's most adored athlete." That's an opinion. I don't think he transformed the sport, and I certainly don't adore him.

I do not disagree with you that he was an iconic figure to many.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:02
by ebeneezer
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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Tears of laughter from reading "The Best Of Terap".

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:06
by granberry
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:[quote="yiddo14. . .

Ali's in the company of Winston Churchill, Lady Thatcher, Albert Einstein, Mother Tersesa Of Calcutta, Henry Ford, and the Beatles...Not bad work for a black kid from Loiusville, Kentucky
CORRECTION:

Ali's in the company of racist Elijah Muhammed, the slaughter of the Hanafi women and children in Washington DC, the murder of Malcolm X, the seething hatred of the Nation of Islam whose stooge he was, the fawning "news" media who sold him far beyond his actual abilities, and of course the "news" media's fellow left wing US haters.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:09
by TheOneIsHere2008
granberry wrote:
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:[quote="yiddo14. . .

Ali's in the company of Winston Churchill, Lady Thatcher, Albert Einstein, Mother Tersesa Of Calcutta, Henry Ford, and the Beatles...Not bad work for a black kid from Loiusville, Kentucky
CORRECTION:

Ali's in the company of racist Elijah Muhammed, the slaughter of the Hanafi women and children in Washington DC, the murder of Malcolm X, the seething hatred of the Nation of Islam whose stooge he was, the fawning "news" media who sold him far beyond his actual abilities, and of course the "news" media's fellow left wing US haters.
Then why did a conservative Republican president give him the Medal Of Freedom?, ergo:


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=2219166

Props to President Bush... At least he didn't stop growing in 1965.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:10
by granberry
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.

Ali is "transcendant" only to swallowers of news media swill.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:15
by elmersalsa
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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HA HA HA HA HA HA...THIS GRANBERRY IS SOMETHING.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:25
by TheOneIsHere2008
granberry wrote:
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.

Ali is "transcendant" only to swallowers of news media swill.
He transcended enough to get the Medal Of Freedom from a conservative Republican president, ergo:

http://www.eclectictimes.com/mt-images/ ... -thumb.jpg

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:28
by TheOneIsHere2008
elmersalsa wrote:
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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HA HA HA HA HA HA...THIS GRANBERRY IS SOMETHING.
It's posters like Granberry for whom the mechaniasm to disable images was invented...On every board you know whose images to open and whose images to ignore...

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:37
by Collins2000
granberry wrote:
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.

Ali is "transcendant" only to swallowers of news media swill.

How long have you hated Ali?

Do you think such rabid hatred is healthy or do you see it as the only thing you have left in life?

:D

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:42
by TheOneIsHere2008
Collins2000 wrote:
granberry wrote:
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.

Ali is "transcendant" only to swallowers of news media swill.

How long have you hated Ali?

Do you think such rabid hatred is healthy or do you see it as the only thing you have left in life?

:D

I wonder what the animus of his hatred is...

I take it granberry is a conservative and is offended by Ali's politics...Go back and read his comments in this thread...That what they suggest...

Ali's subversive politics didn't stop President Bush from giving him the Medal Of Freedom...The NOI stuff is a long time ago...How long ago?

Forty years....

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:51
by theone
I wonder what the animus of his hatred is...

I take it granberry is a conservative and is offended by Ali's politics...Go back and read his comments in this thread...That what they suggest...
Naw, he's just an a$$hole who likes to rile people up. Ignore him.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 18:56
by TheOneIsHere2008
theone wrote:
I wonder what the animus of his hatred is...

I take it granberry is a conservative and is offended by Ali's politics...Go back and read his comments in this thread...That what they suggest...
Naw, he's just an a$$hole who likes to rile people up. Ignore him.
I hope you don't mind the similarities in handles...I use this handle a lot...I use it on the ESPN board...

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 19:07
by BoxBuzz
Hey gran! man am I ever glad to hear from you again. When you get quiet for more than a day we worry about your health.
so what's your take on all of this? Anybody here got it right today?

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 20:34
by theone
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
theone wrote:
I wonder what the animus of his hatred is...

I take it granberry is a conservative and is offended by Ali's politics...Go back and read his comments in this thread...That what they suggest...
Naw, he's just an a$$hole who likes to rile people up. Ignore him.
I hope you don't mind the similarities in handles...I use this handle a lot...I use it on the ESPN board...

Don't mind at all. :TU:

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 21:45
by granberry
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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HA HA HA HA HA HA...THIS GRANBERRY IS SOMETHING.
It's posters like Granberry for whom the mechaniasm to disable images was invented...On every board you know whose images to open and whose images to ignore...
It's posters like TheOne who swallow every word of the "news" media swill

and consider it blashphemy to post a simple photo of their Ali getting flattened by Joe Frazier.

Such photo are FORBIDDEN in the Religion of Ali.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 21:49
by granberry
BoxBuzz wrote:Hey gran! man am I ever glad to hear from you again. When you get quiet for more than a day we worry about your health.
so what's your take on all of this? Anybody here got it right today?
Hey buzz, the 'moderator."

Do you have your stooges collins, ebeneezer, etc etc etc

all lined up to trash the next thread I start on Peter Maher
or Basilio-DeMarco?

TRASH anything that appears on boxrec except threads that sell, sell, sell Ali.

That's the ticket, isn't it, "moderator" buzz.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 21:54
by BoxBuzz
Nah....the ticket is to enjoy the posts you like, ignore the posts that bug you, don't make a big deal out of differing opinions and maybe even learn to enjoy a different viewpoint. That's the ticket.

Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...

Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 22:00
by granberry
BoxBuzz wrote:Nah....the ticket is to enjoy the posts you like, ignore the posts that bug you, don't make a big deal out of differing opinions and maybe even learn to enjoy a different viewpoint. That's the ticket.

You LIE
buzz.

Your track record shows you enlist collins, ebenezer, irene etc etc etc

to trash any thread I start

and then join in yourself gleefully.

Anyone can take a look at my Peter Maher thread and my Basilio-DeMarco thread and my Billy Bello-Bernard Mays thread

and see that every thread I start is immediately trashed by your crew.

Donnellon hasn't posted on boxrec since your boy collins trashed my Peter Maher thread with his homosexual fixation.

TRASH boxrec. That the ticket, isn't it buzz.

And all with the phony handle of "moderator."

LOL