Re: Frazier's pain and anger still remains...
Posted: 03 Jul 2008, 16:01
WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?

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Appreciate that Ali is much more recognised outside the Boxing fanbase, I also appreciate the Thoreau quote, but you're not talking to one of those men, and I'm sorry if I in turn am. I wouldn't swap the final 20 years of my life for Ali's final two decades, not for all the money in the world. I've got plenty, certainly nowhere as wealthy as Ali was, but happiness in my life is the rule, not the exception. I once had my arm in a sling for a couple of weeks, worst feeling in the world, you are utterly emasculated. Multiply that a hundred-fold to what Ali degenerated into - I don't think I'd want to continue living. Really.TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Frazier's life isn't all sunshine and roses...He lost a toe to diabetes...Anybody familar with the progression of the disease knows once it has progressed that far the whole limb is in danger...Jaybee From The Castle wrote:Some life, getting beatings from guys, shaking another man's hand for a couple of seconds, then living the last 20+ years as weak as you were once fearsome.
I'll take Frazier's, thanks.
As for Ali it's not just shaking people's hands...Ali , nearly thirty years after his last fight is one of the most recognized men on Earth...He's an icon , up there with Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods...
His "image" was so valuable that he was able to sell the rights for it for $50,000,000.00:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4901662.stm
Most men lead lives of quiet desperation... "I would rather have fifteen minutes of something wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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yiddo14 wrote:Babe Ruth should NOT be on that list!TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Frazier's life isn't all sunshine and roses...He lost a toe to diabetes...Anybody familar with the progression of the disease knows once it has progressed that far the whole limb is in danger...Jaybee From The Castle wrote:Some life, getting beatings from guys, shaking another man's hand for a couple of seconds, then living the last 20+ years as weak as you were once fearsome.
I'll take Frazier's, thanks.
As for Ali it's not just shaking people's hands...Ali , nearly thirty years after his last fight is one of the most recognized men on Earth...He's an icon , up there with Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods...
His "image" was so valuable that he was able to sell the rights for it for $50,000,000.00:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4901662.stm
Most men lead lives of quiet desperation... "I would rather have fifteen minutes of something wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."
You are talking as if Frazier is a nobody who gets barely recognised.
Frazier was a Boxer. Boxing fans will always remember him just as much as Ali.
Forget the "love" of the general public who care little for what Ali did in the ring(what he did best)
90% of the adulation he receives from Joe Bloggs is fake shit based on "Ali's" quips and Addidas adverts.
To me both guys are legends for what they showed in the ring, not because they have managed to get their face on a t-shirt worn by some fashion conscious numpty that would not know "The Rumble In The Jungle" from a fumble with himself.
Here's more lists:raylawpc wrote:That is the opinion of a writer from Time magazine . . . nothing more, nothing less.
The Time writer wrote "he transformed his sport and became the world's most adored athlete." That's an opinion. I don't think he transformed the sport, and I certainly don't adore him.TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Here's more lists:raylawpc wrote:That is the opinion of a writer from Time magazine . . . nothing more, nothing less.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ssat2.htm
http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 73,00.html
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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CORRECTION:TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:[quote="yiddo14. . .
Ali's in the company of Winston Churchill, Lady Thatcher, Albert Einstein, Mother Tersesa Of Calcutta, Henry Ford, and the Beatles...Not bad work for a black kid from Loiusville, Kentucky
Then why did a conservative Republican president give him the Medal Of Freedom?, ergo:granberry wrote:CORRECTION:TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:[quote="yiddo14. . .
Ali's in the company of Winston Churchill, Lady Thatcher, Albert Einstein, Mother Tersesa Of Calcutta, Henry Ford, and the Beatles...Not bad work for a black kid from Loiusville, Kentucky
Ali's in the company of racist Elijah Muhammed, the slaughter of the Hanafi women and children in Washington DC, the murder of Malcolm X, the seething hatred of the Nation of Islam whose stooge he was, the fawning "news" media who sold him far beyond his actual abilities, and of course the "news" media's fellow left wing US haters.
Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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He transcended enough to get the Medal Of Freedom from a conservative Republican president, ergo:granberry wrote:Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ali is "transcendant" only to swallowers of news media swill.
It's posters like Granberry for whom the mechaniasm to disable images was invented...On every board you know whose images to open and whose images to ignore...elmersalsa wrote:granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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HA HA HA HA HA HA...THIS GRANBERRY IS SOMETHING.
granberry wrote:Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ali is "transcendant" only to swallowers of news media swill.
Collins2000 wrote:granberry wrote:Ali would have 'transcended" nothing without the rabid news media sell that for some reason was decided for him.TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
If you don't think Muhammad Ali was an iconic sports figure who transcended the sport of boxing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Ali is "transcendant" only to swallowers of news media swill.
How long have you hated Ali?
Do you think such rabid hatred is healthy or do you see it as the only thing you have left in life?
Naw, he's just an a$$hole who likes to rile people up. Ignore him.I wonder what the animus of his hatred is...
I take it granberry is a conservative and is offended by Ali's politics...Go back and read his comments in this thread...That what they suggest...
I hope you don't mind the similarities in handles...I use this handle a lot...I use it on the ESPN board...theone wrote:Naw, he's just an a$$hole who likes to rile people up. Ignore him.I wonder what the animus of his hatred is...
I take it granberry is a conservative and is offended by Ali's politics...Go back and read his comments in this thread...That what they suggest...
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:I hope you don't mind the similarities in handles...I use this handle a lot...I use it on the ESPN board...theone wrote:Naw, he's just an a$$hole who likes to rile people up. Ignore him.I wonder what the animus of his hatred is...
I take it granberry is a conservative and is offended by Ali's politics...Go back and read his comments in this thread...That what they suggest...
It's posters like TheOne who swallow every word of the "news" media swillTheOneIsHere2008 wrote:It's posters like Granberry for whom the mechaniasm to disable images was invented...On every board you know whose images to open and whose images to ignore...elmersalsa wrote:granberry wrote:WHY ARE THESE MEN CRYING ?
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HA HA HA HA HA HA...THIS GRANBERRY IS SOMETHING.
Hey buzz, the 'moderator."BoxBuzz wrote:Hey gran! man am I ever glad to hear from you again. When you get quiet for more than a day we worry about your health.
so what's your take on all of this? Anybody here got it right today?
BoxBuzz wrote:Nah....the ticket is to enjoy the posts you like, ignore the posts that bug you, don't make a big deal out of differing opinions and maybe even learn to enjoy a different viewpoint. That's the ticket.