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According to the author of Bad Intentions Cus promised to pay Atlas five percent of Tyson's future earnings if he left quietly so he wouldn't lose custody: (pg. 87)

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQeJ5T ... t#PPA87,M1

Atlas didn't want the money because it was not about money but respect...

Tyson is crazy...It's almost sad...

Tyson was 5'9 ,200 pounds...Teddy Atlas weighed about 135 pounds and had a bad back to boot...He would have been an idiot to confront Tyson with his fists

Why ? are you scared of kids if they are bigger than you.

A sixteen year old who is 5'9 and 200 pounds and can bench press 250 pounds ten fricken times, and would go on to be the heavyweight champion of the world is not a kid... I don't know about Oz but Florida is a "give no quarter" state and if someone that size is coming at you with bad intentions you can legally shoot him:


Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a lawful right to be. Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystat ... aws_fl.htm

BBJ

He is a convicted rapist EVERYONE knows this.
He is a pig to women...(and men, but in a different
way)
But playing 'grab ass' or whatever you said to an
11yo child when you are a 15-16yo boy does not
make you a child molester.

Only in the US I suppose would a black kid at 15-16
yo be denied the vote, sign a legal contract, but
is eligible for enlistment and can be executed as
an 'adult'. Great mindset mate.

Here your not an adult until you are 18. Any way you
look at it.

As for his loss to Douglas...well you can have your
beliefs and I can have my understandings, and it
does not take away the fact that Douglas fought an
excellent fight and won without doubt the HW championship
of the world.

I have also never said I was a 'TYSON fan'. I respect
him as a FIGHTER and not a person. ( I am really only
a 'fan' of Holmes and Patterson).

Robinson wrote:BBJ

He is a convicted rapist EVERYONE knows this.
He is a pig to women...(and men, but in a different
way)
But playing 'grab ass' or whatever you said to an
11yo child when you are a 15-16yo boy does not
make you a child molester.

Only in the US I suppose would a black kid at 15-16
yo be denied the vote, sign a legal contract, but
is eligible for enlistment and can be executed as
an 'adult'. Great mindset mate.
Here your not an adult until you are 18. Any way you
look at it.

As for his loss to Douglas...well you can have your
beliefs and I can have my understandings, and it
does not take away the fact that Douglas fought an
excellent fight and won without doubt the HW championship
of the world.

I have also never said I was a 'TYSON fan'. I respect
him as a FIGHTER and not a person. ( I am really only
a 'fan' of Holmes and Patterson).

Our Supreme Court outlawed the execution of juveniles:


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... d=885&scid


I oppose the death penalty, unjust wars, euthanasia, and abortion but that's a discussion for another day and another board...

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

Tyson was 5'9 ,200 pounds...Teddy Atlas weighed about 135 pounds and had a bad back to boot...He would have been an idiot to confront Tyson with his fists

Why ? are you scared of kids if they are bigger than you.

A sixteen year old who is 5'9 and 200 pounds and can bench press 250 pounds ten fricken times, and would go on to be the heavyweight champion of the world is not a kid... I don't know about Oz but Florida is a "give no quarter" state and if someone that size is coming at you with bad intentions you can legally shoot him:


Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a lawful right to be. Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystat ... aws_fl.htm

So Now Tyson attacked Atlas ?? and that is why he pulled the gun..
here in Australia if a man walks up to a teenager holding a firearm
and then threatens him that is a crime.

But I guess we are used to the American way being determined by
gun violence and solving disputes in such a manner. Tragic.

As for Tyson being 5'9 and 200lbs so what ? he was not the HW champion
of the world then. And was a long way from achieving this aim. He was
still a stupid kid with a bad attitude, that did something bad.

.[/quote]


Our Supreme Court outlawed the execution of juveniles:


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... d=885&scid[/quote]

Good for you...now you just wait until they turn 21
before you execute them for a crime they committed
as a child.

Robinson wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

Tyson was 5'9 ,200 pounds...Teddy Atlas weighed about 135 pounds and had a bad back to boot...He would have been an idiot to confront Tyson with his fists

Why ? are you scared of kids if they are bigger than you.

A sixteen year old who is 5'9 and 200 pounds and can bench press 250 pounds ten fricken times, and would go on to be the heavyweight champion of the world is not a kid... I don't know about Oz but Florida is a "give no quarter" state and if someone that size is coming at you with bad intentions you can legally shoot him:


Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a lawful right to be. Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystat ... aws_fl.htm

So Now Tyson attacked Atlas ?? and that is why he pulled the gun..
here in Australia if a man walks up to a teenager holding a firearm
and then threatens him that is a crime.

But I guess we are used to the American way being determined by
gun violence and solving disputes in such a manner. Tragic.

As for Tyson being 5'9 and 200lbs so what ? he was not the HW champion
of the world then. And was a long way from achieving this aim. He was
still a stupid kid with a bad attitude, that did something bad.

First of all he was sixteen years old...That's not quite a kid...

What am I suggesting that Teddy Atlas had three choices when Mike Tyson sexually assaulted his eleven year old niece...

He could go to the authorities and have Tyson's probation revoked....

He could do nothing...

He could scare Tyson straight by threatening to shoot him...

Most men would have probably chosen to do nothing...

Robinson wrote:.

Our Supreme Court outlawed the execution of juveniles:


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... d=885&scid[/quote]

Good for you...now you just wait until they turn 21
before you execute them for a crime they committed
as a child.[/quote]

As long as they were a juvenile at the time of the murder they can't be executed...

He could he could he could.

Robinson wrote:He could he could he could.

Who could?

By a vote of 5-4, the U.S. Supreme Court on March 1, 2005 held that the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments forbid the execution of offenders who were under the age of 18 when their crimes were committed.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... d=885&scid

I was quoting you ...its ok dont worry about it
we are way off topic now.

In your prior post you started with a lot of
he coulds

that is all

take care mate

Robinson wrote:I was quoting you ...its ok dont worry about it
we are way off topic now.

In your prior post you started with a lot of
he coulds

that is all

take care mate

I think we beat the Mike Tyson issue to death...I am beginning to feel sorry for him...I will be shocked if he dies an old man of natural causes...

PEACE

I still don't get your logic.

• Mike Tyson molested an 11-year-old.
• He admitted it.
• An 11-year-old is a child.
• He's not a child molestor?

You might not be a Mike Tyson fan, but you sure have the logic of one.

If an ADULT does this he is a molester.
Does that mean those things I did with
girls when I was a boy makes me a molester
or worse..?

Guys, stay on topic please. This is like a bad reality tv show now with all of you running your mouths because none of you can accept that that the other doesn't see things your way.

Mod's lock this thread please.

Robinson wrote:If an ADULT does this he is a molester.
Does that mean those things I did with
girls when I was a boy makes me a molester
or worse..?

You seem like a stand up guy...I can't believe you were messing with eleven year old girls when you were sixteen...

Haha no I never went younger when I was
that age :LP

I agree this thread has gone off topic.

Sorry for leading it this way.

Suppose that Teddy Atlas did exactly the right thing when he pulled the gun on the 15 or 16 year old Mike Tyson. Since we don't know when the incident alledgedly happened in 1982, Tyson was 15 for about 6 months of that year and didn't turn 16 until the last of June. Why did Atlas need the gun? toih08 thinks that Atlas used the gun to scare Tyson straight. Obviously that didn't work. If Atlas really thought that Tyson lacked a fighting heart, wouldn't Atlas have gotten more respect from Tyson if he had tamed the bully with his fists? That might have turned Tyson's life around.

At the time Tyson was a novice amateur boxer with, according to Atlas a lack of courage. In Atlas' book Atlas claims, as Robinson noted that he was willing to fight Shannon Briggs and George Foreman. Briggs and Foreman are both much bigger than the 15-16 year old Tyson and both were world class pro boxers at the time.

Where is the consistency? Does Atlas really think Tyson has no heart? If so Atlas would not need a gun to confront him. Or, is Atlas a man who is bitter because Rooney made the big money with Tyson. Would Atlas have really fought Briggs or Foreman? Was he lying? If so, why should anyone believe what he says about anything else?

John Galt wrote:Suppose that Teddy Atlas did exactly the right thing when he pulled the gun on the 15 or 16 year old Mike Tyson. Since we don't know when the incident alledgedly happened in 1982, Tyson was 15 for about 6 months of that year and didn't turn 16 until the last of June. Why did Atlas need the gun? toih08 thinks that Atlas used the gun to scare Tyson straight. Obviously that didn't work. If Atlas really thought that Tyson lacked a fighting heart, wouldn't Atlas have gotten more respect from Tyson if he had tamed the bully with his fists? That might have turned Tyson's life around.

Teddy Atlas couldn't fight because he was injured, and he walked around 60-something pounds lighter than Tyson. Are you stupid or something? He'd have no chance.

Robinson wrote:If an ADULT does this he is a molester.
Does that mean those things I did with
girls when I was a boy makes me a molester
or worse..?

So, if a 17-year-old has sex with a 6-year old, he's not a child molester? The law says a two-year difference in age. And it was non-consentual.

Suppose that Teddy Atlas did exactly the right thing when he pulled the gun on the 15 or 16 year old Mike Tyson. Since we don't know when the incident alledgedly happened in 1982, Tyson was 15 for about 6 months of that year and didn't turn 16 until the last of June. Why did Atlas need the gun? toih08 thinks that Atlas used the gun to scare Tyson straight. Obviously that didn't work. If Atlas really thought that Tyson lacked a fighting heart, wouldn't Atlas have gotten more respect from Tyson if he had tamed the bully with his fists? That might have turned Tyson's life around.

Because Tyson outweighed him by sixty five or so pounds and he witnessed Tyson bench 250 pounds ten times...There's a saying that there is nothing as dangerous as a morally weak man with a gun...I would say there is nothing as dangerous as a morally weak man that can bench 250 pounds ten times...We are talking American football linebacker strength...

the time Tyson was a novice amateur boxer with, according to Atlas a lack of courage. In Atlas' book Atlas claims, as Robinson noted that he was willing to fight Shannon Briggs and George Foreman. Briggs and Foreman are both much bigger than the 15-16 year old Tyson and both were world class pro boxers at the time.

Big George and Shannon Briggs have too much character to beat up a guy who posed no realistic threat...They probably admired his courage for even challenging them...I don't think Foreman gets $145,000,000.00 to sell his grills if he's seen as the guy who beat up the one hundred forty five pound Teddy Atlas...

s the consistency? Does Atlas really think Tyson has no heart? If so Atlas would not need a gun to confront him. Or, is Atlas a man who is bitter because Rooney made the big money with Tyson. Would Atlas have really fought Briggs or Foreman? Was he lying? If so, why should anyone believe what he says about anything else?

I don't understand your argument...Discretion is sometimes the better part of valor...A 5'9 sixteen year old who weighs 200 pounds and can bench 250 pounds twelve times is going to pulverize a 135 pound man with a bad back...


Atlas pulled the gun on him to show him that he can't willy nilly sexually assault women...You are correct ...His little gambit failed, much to the chagrin of Desiree Washington...

Oh, and Cus D'Amato offered Atlas five percent of Tyson's future earnings if he would go quietly...It wasn't about the money which Atlas never got and never wanted...

Why are your singling out Atlas?

He's not the only boxing intimate to question Tyson's heart...

Big BJ, and toih08
Foreman and Briggs were even bigger than Tyson yet Atlas claims he would fight them. Do you think he would? If you think he wouldn't, then you think Atlas is a liar. If you think he is a liar, why would you believe what he says about Tyson?

John Galt wrote:Big BJ, and toih08
Foreman and Briggs were even bigger than Tyson yet Atlas claims he would fight them. Do you think he would? If you think he wouldn't, then you think Atlas is a liar. If you think he is a liar, why would you believe what he says about Tyson?

Teddy Atlas got four hundred stitches in a knife fight...Thou protesteth his courage too much...Shannon Briggs and George Foreman are civilized men...(I know Big George rolled drunks when he was a wayward teen ager in Houston but Tyson makes him look like a choirboy) He probably factored that in when he challenged them...Big George thought it was amusing...

And I believe Atlas because Tyson had a practice and pattern of sexually abusing women...I think Greg Garrison proved that to the satisfaction of any observer...Well, that and all the complaints that Cus D'Amato had hushed up when he was living with him in the Catskills...

John Galt wrote:Big BJ, and toih08
Foreman and Briggs were even bigger than Tyson yet Atlas claims he would fight them. Do you think he would? If you think he wouldn't, then you think Atlas is a liar. If you think he is a liar, why would you believe what he says about Tyson?

Because Tyson admitted fondling her, you idiot.

I was reading that Tyson would like to make peace with Teddy Atlas...That indicates a consciousness of guilt...

At the end of the day, Mike Tyson is an admitted child molestor. He'll burn in hell.