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mercman wrote:

He couldn,t dominate the brawling Skelton in the first fight and then got totally outboxed by him in the second. He is not world class and never has been.

Couldn't agree more. I just don't get all this "Danny this and Danny that" business that keeps coming up on here. Some facts are: at domestic level, as you say, Williams lost quite clearly to Skelton, he has also been beaten by Sprott and he was hammered by Audley in their second fight. However, when he has stepped up a level, Williams has really been exposed. His beating by Klit was severe and let's remember that Williams was also comprehensively defeated by Samil Sam. He was out-boxed, bashed about and dropped several times by Sam before being stopped. I just don't get all this 'Danny could be world class' stuff. On the basis of what evidence?

Lets not forget Mr FRANCIS

I agree with that, Williams is put on a high pedestal, and as far as I can see, he is nothing more than a massive under achiever.

His time has been and gone - I'm sick of hearing about this supposed world class power, the same world class power that couldn't shift someone like McDermott.

Flashes of brilliance maybe, but his career has been a major let down.

Twinkle Toes wrote:time has been and gone - I'm sick of hearing about this supposed world class power, the same world class power that couldn't shift someone like McDermott.

Come on, the guy is 35, has been a pro for 13 years, has taken a few beatings and a lot of shots. He's on his last legs, and this is the only reason he struggled with McDermott, not because of any shortage in power.

In his prime - and this may even have been before the Tyson win - Danny DID have world class power and punch selection, but he never had the physical or mental stability to go with it. For sure he was an underachiever, and his bad nights have outnumbered the good ones, but assessing his career on the back of the McDermott fight is unfair.

Neri wrote:For anyone who went, how did Bellew look in his win?

I personally thought he boxed very well and looked very composed..Won every round clearly but seemed to hold back on the big punches?? Powers is a small step up at this moment in time and was also a risky fight over 4 rounds I think..He's no world beater but he's useful that's for sure..

I think Bellew can go a long way I really do. What you guys think?

quote="mercman"]

Come on, the guy is 35, has been a pro for 13 years, has taken a few beatings and a lot of shots. He's on his last legs, and this is the only reason he strugged with McDermott, not because of any shortage in power.

In his prime - and this may even have been before the Tyson win - Danny DID have world class power and punch selection, but he never had the physical or mental stability to go with it. For sure he was an underachiever, and his bad nights have outnumbered the good ones, but assessing his career on the back of the McDermott fight is unfair.

Williams lost to both Sprott and Sam before he fought Tyson. He was 29 when Sam beat him; Williams was 25 when he lost to a 35 year old Julius Francis. He wasn't that good when he was young and he is worse now. He's ok at British level but I just can't see any basis for claims that Williams could/should be a world player. He's just not at that level.[/quote]

Look at Dannys record the only half decent fighter he didn,t struggle with was Meehan who only lasted 32 seconds.

Everton FC wrote:

Neri wrote:For anyone who went, how did Bellew look in his win?

I personally thought he boxed very well and looked very composed..Won every round clearly but seemed to hold back on the big punches?? Powers is a small step up at this moment in time and was also a risky fight over 4 rounds I think..He's no world beater but he's useful that's for sure..

I think Bellew can go a long way I really do. What you guys think?

Yeah, never looked out of sorts did he, Ayittey looks bulky at the weight but Bellew did well. Didnt really see a great deal of handspeed or brilliant variety tho.

oliverfennell wrote:
Come on, the guy is 35, has been a pro for 13 years, has taken a few beatings and a lot of shots. He's on his last legs, and this is the only reason he struggled with McDermott, not because of any shortage in power.

In his prime - and this may even have been before the Tyson win - Danny DID have world class power and punch selection, but he never had the physical or mental stability to go with it. For sure he was an underachiever, and his bad nights have outnumbered the good ones, but assessing his career on the back of the McDermott fight is unfair.

I'm not assessing the guy based purely on the McDermott fight, but then again I wasn't one of the people slating McDermott and saying he'd be lucky to last a round either.

Danny has decent power, but he's never really shown it in world class - Ok, he did a number on Tyson, but it was still something like 20+ unanswered blows before Tyson went down, which was more through exhaustion than being knocked out.

It's such a shame Danny hasn't achieved more, but history won't look kindly on Williams in my opinion.

What should Williams do next?

Hoe many shots did McDermott throw/land? It must have been a minuscle number.

Autobarn wrote:Hoe many shots did McDermott throw/land? It must have been a minuscle number.

McDermott: thrown - 354; landed - 86; success - 24%.
Williams: thrown - 342; landed - 70; success - 20%.

leforge wrote:What should Williams do next?

He'll just have to hope he can cash in his name value for a big money fight and/or title shot. He's beaten young pretenders in his last four fights (Platov was a win in all but name), but looked very shaky in the last three and a loss could come at any time.

RETURN MATCH WITH SAMIL SAM



PLEASE

I REALLY NEED THIS

telboy66 wrote:

DG. wrote:

telboy66 wrote:Cooper was out weighed in a lot of his fights but it did not stop him putting quite a few on their arse & a plodding danny Williams would have been made for our enry

BUT - look at who Cooper put on their arse - not very good were they.

Danny is World Class when he 'fights' and lets his hands go - in fact when he does that he is pne of the best, but he only does it once in a blue moon.

Cooper would have been done in 1 by an 19st DW.

If williams is world class you living in a different world to me mate

oh he's living in a different world alright.

just drop the williams and world class stuff together.

it don't mix.

funso banjo baby wrote:RETURN MATCH WITH SAMIL SAM

I would like to see this fight as well; but Sam has got to rematch Vidoz first and then he has to fight Skelton if he beats Vidoz, so Sam is tied up for a while.

Gray-Fox wrote:Going back to the previous page, I'm sure Henry Cooper put Ali on his arse!!!!

He certainly did, I remember it well. It happenened right at the end of a round and Ali had time to recover. I am not saying he would have but there is a chance Cooper could have won had it happened a bit earlier in the round. It was I believe the first time Ali visited the canvas as a pro. Enry was a far better fighter than most on here give him credit for.

oliverfennell wrote:

Twinkle Toes wrote:time has been and gone - I'm sick of hearing about this supposed world class power, the same world class power that couldn't shift someone like McDermott.

Come on, the guy is 35, has been a pro for 13 years, has taken a few beatings and a lot of shots. He's on his last legs, and this is the only reason he struggled with McDermott, not because of any shortage in power.

In his prime - and this may even have been before the Tyson win - Danny DID have world class power and punch selection, but he never had the physical or mental stability to go with it. For sure he was an underachiever, and his bad nights have outnumbered the good ones, but assessing his career on the back of the McDermott fight is unfair.

You seem to argue with yourself about Dannys abilities but then with his running hot and cold its understandable. For me Danny on a good night during his prime was top Euro class but never really good enough for the world stage. Danny would have made quick work of McDemott a few years back but he just doesnt have it anymore. OK maybe its wrong to assess Dannys career on the back of this fight but it showed him, never mind us if he goes on he will never get the world title he wants. Danny had a bad night and he knew it and Danny was lucky to hold on to his British title and he knew that also.

WildWaylon wrote: It was I believe the first time Ali visited the canvas as a pro. Enry was a far better fighter than most on here give him credit for.

You are forgetting Sonny Banks, Waylon - he was the first to turn the trick and dropped Ali(Clay) in 62:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSc5eo1KEDE

Danny's career as a top line fighter ended with the Sam fight. That challenge was extemely disappointing. He looked like he gave it up before he reached the ring apron.

I like the guy, but he only has himself to blame for subpar performances when he knows he could do so much better.

SticknMove wrote:Danny's career as a top line fighter ended with the Sam fight. That challenge was extemely disappointing. He looked like he gave it up before he reached the ring apron.

I like the guy, but he only has himself to blame for subpar performances when he knows he could do so much better.

and yet danny has continued to fight at the top level and maintain huge interest in his career.

however i want the samil sam rematch....COME ON

WildWaylon wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

Twinkle Toes wrote:time has been and gone - I'm sick of hearing about this supposed world class power, the same world class power that couldn't shift someone like McDermott.

Come on, the guy is 35, has been a pro for 13 years, has taken a few beatings and a lot of shots. He's on his last legs, and this is the only reason he struggled with McDermott, not because of any shortage in power.

In his prime - and this may even have been before the Tyson win - Danny DID have world class power and punch selection, but he never had the physical or mental stability to go with it. For sure he was an underachiever, and his bad nights have outnumbered the good ones, but assessing his career on the back of the McDermott fight is unfair.

You seem to argue with yourself about Dannys abilities but then with his running hot and cold its understandable. For me Danny on a good night during his prime was top Euro class but never really good enough for the world stage. Danny would have made quick work of McDemott a few years back but he just doesnt have it anymore. OK maybe its wrong to assess Dannys career on the back of this fight but it showed him, never mind us if he goes on he will never get the world title he wants. Danny had a bad night and he knew it and Danny was lucky to hold on to his British title and he knew that also.

True....

He should retire now, but he'll probably get some sort of title shot and get pasted again. Shame.

MatthewS wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:What was Munyai like? I stopped watching after the Williams fight.

i have to say max you were spot on with your assesment (dont let it go to your head tho)
Munyai should stay at Bantam/SuperBantam
Akaba looked massive, and is actually fairly skilled too.

Munyai was better on his feet, as good with his gloves, but lacked the power to dictate the fight. Therefore lost.

I was there too. The other fella looked like he should have fought Olesegun. Miles too big and strong, and no mug, for Munyai.

Munyai looked very flat around the arena afterward.

Shirow wrote:I was at the fight (unfortunately as it turned out) so i didn't get any of the commentary or post fight interviews. Was there something wrong with Danny's right? I counted 3 shots thrown with it from the 6th round on.

Also as i tried to keep my eyes open it occurred to me that Danny only fights back these days. In all of his fights since the world title shot (+ Mirovic before) that i have seen/can think of he seems to wait until he is hit before throwing anything with any meaning. Against pie boy he was kept waiting quite a lot.

I hope he retires. He can rematch as even if he loses he won't get badly hurt but i can't imagine many watching.

I think you were sitting close to us, I was with Mike L.

Anyhow. I found the bout, perversly perhaps, entertaining, perhaps absorbing would be better.

Talk of Danny Williams being world class is ridiculous. He has proved time and again he can't hang outside domestic level. I've never seen what all the fuss is about regards Williams' supposed potential, he's never looked anything more than a dometic level player to me from day one.

I think some people have been so desperate for a British player on the world scene this world class talk is more hope than anything else.

Its a difficult one. I would say Danny at his best would have been a competitive or difficult fight for several fighters who have held world titles or been highly ranked.

I mean is Williams really so far behind Rahman, Brewster or Ruiz in terms of ability, power, chin....?

Would you say he has comparable ability with perhaps Botha, McCline and Barrett?

Can you honestly say he would've been out of his depth with the latter day versions of Holyfield, Toney or Golota?

And if you believe he's comparable with those then you have to say he's been a world level heavyweight.

For example, Golota was a terrific fighter at his best, but point me to the best victories on his resume?

Outside Meehan (who he beat a long while ago) what wins does he have in world class?

Nobody say Tyson, he was shot to shit by then.