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Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 02 Nov 2008, 09:44
by Coco
Twinkle Toes wrote:Coco wrote:
If Buckley was not trying he would fall over in the 1st round each time, you probably don't realise how hard it is to 'go the distance' especially when you are fighting in top class.
Ermm he hasn't fought anyone of top class for years, and years?
Ron is one of the few journo's that gets boxing some decent coverage, especially through the times online website.
By far and away the best boxing coverage from any of the papers actually - Although he was awful quite on the Khan PPV ;)
Dunno why you journo's look to stab your fellow journo's in the back all the time. Actually don't answer that, I already
know
The last thing I am is a journalist, in fact i'm an ex journeyman, I know exactly how hard it is, however i'll take it as a compliment, that you think my writing could pass for a journalist!
Agreed Buckley has dropped down a few levels from his peak, but that is sensible and shows his management care enough not to get him beat up. Nevertheless he is always still brought in as an opponent.
Just because Ron gets decent coverage isn't neccessarily a good thing. I'm not going to comment on his previous work as i'm not familiar enough with it, but if it is similar to his muck raking tabloid piece on Buckley, that is no compliment at all.
The Sunday Sport used to cover boxing alot, enough said!
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 02 Nov 2008, 11:29
by WildWaylon
Journeymen do a great job IMO helping youngsters to learn. Buckley was a tough fighter who rarely got stopped, who at one time faced some decent names. Approaching 40 with so many fights behind him he was getting easier to hit but he still got to hear the final bell most of the time. Glad he won his final fight, and respect to the man for always trying.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 02 Nov 2008, 15:28
by Max Molyneux
What Is there to learn from beating Buckley though?
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 02 Nov 2008, 19:16
by WildWaylon
Max Molyneux wrote:What Is there to learn from beating Buckley though?
You could learn how much better you were than he was or if he gave you a hard time, then perhaps you were not as good as you thought you were. He was a tough little bugger that just didnt rack up the points but he was game and tried hard. 20lb Carp are hard to land but you can still get one hell of a fight with a 5 pounder and learn something.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 03 Nov 2008, 15:58
by gobbles
"Quite the opposite" of the world's worst fighter? So, is he the world's best fighter?
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 03 Nov 2008, 16:04
by Coco
gobbles wrote:
"Quite the opposite" of the world's worst fighter? So, is he the world's best fighter?
I agree the article is on the money, truthful, realistic and respectful.
I'm still amazed by the opinions of the haters, and where on earth did the article claim that he is the worlds best boxer???
This article puts Buckley in his true context, and shows Ron Lewis you don't need to tabloid a story up to give it national coverage in a quality newspaper
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 03 Nov 2008, 16:07
by gobbles
Coco wrote:gobbles wrote:
"Quite the opposite" of the world's worst fighter? So, is he the world's best fighter?
I agree the article is on the money, truthful, realistic and respectful.
I'm still amazed by the opinions of the haters, and where on earth did the article claim that he is the worlds best boxer???
This article puts Buckley in his true context, and shows Ron Lewis you don't need to tabloid a story up to give it national coverage in a quality newspaper
I don't think it was in a national paper. It was on a blog. Telegraph didn't have any coverage of Buckley. The Star did a piece and so did the Sun
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 11:37
by oliverfennell
Coco wrote:I'm still amazed by the opinions of the haters, and where on earth did the article claim that he is the worlds best boxer???
Because "quite the opposite" of "the worst" is "the best".
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 22:42
by KiwiRider
stujones wrote: ↑30 Oct 2008, 12:38
It might sound harsh, but I honestly think a good sparring sessions is better for the fighter than going through Buckley. What can a fighter learn from it - only mistakes.
A good sparr will iron out mistakes.
Far out Stu, talking sense 13 years ago
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 22:44
by margaret thatcher
ya, a lot of people find guys like buckley endearing, and fair play doing 300 is some achievement. but tbh i think there's a lot of fair criticism of the whole 'repeatedly show up not trying to win' thing. for the most part makes for boring, uncompetitive fights and provide little serious test. and we rightly criticize non-journeymen when they pull the not trying thing
that said, i believe the article's title was 'worlds worst boxer' and obviously that wasnt true, there are guys who cant win any fights at all. andrew hartley is truly dreadful, and he still beat charlie zelenoff
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 00:59
by SticknMove
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 22:44
ya, a lot of people find guys like buckley endearing, and fair play doing 300 is some achievement. but tbh i think there's a lot of fair criticism of the whole 'repeatedly show up not trying to win' thing. for the most part makes for boring, uncompetitive fights and provide little serious test. and we rightly criticize non-journeymen when they pull the not trying thing
that said, i believe the article's title was 'worlds worst boxer' and obviously that wasnt true, there are guys who cant win any fights at all. andrew hartley is truly dreadful, and he still beat charlie zelenoff
It was a fair post until you mentioned hartley and zelenoff. Even when you appear to have a fair idea and opinion or fact you do let yourself down.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 01:04
by margaret thatcher
they highlight the point perfectly, pretty much no one can be the worst boxer in the world with them existing
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 01:21
by SticknMove
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 01:04
they highlight the point perfectly, pretty much no one can be the worst boxer in tem existing
In tem of existing you highlight it perfectly.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 01:23
by margaret thatcher
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 02:06
by Coco
Enjoyed looking at that thread again, lots of really good posters there too.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 02:43
by mickey1975
Coco wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 02:06
Enjoyed looking at that thread again, lots of really good posters there too.
Terry and Ian not posting are a real loss.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 02:50
by Old bones Ian
I don't think he actually existed, he seems to be a variety of boxers fighting under that name
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 04:13
by Terminator666
The links taking me to a different page- I thought he retired a long time ago
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 04:23
by banjo
Terminator666 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 04:13
The links taking me to a different page- I thought he retired a long time ago
It's a 13 year old page to be fair
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 04:56
by bennie
gobbles wrote: ↑31 Oct 2008, 07:00
fatcity69 wrote:I brought the paper thinking it would have an interesting peice on a largely unappreciated fighter, but when I then read it I was so disgusted I just threw it in the bin... its the kind of hatchet journalism that youd expect from the Sun rather than the times... it seems the keybaord warriors of the times think its funny to look down their noses at Peter on the basis of his won - lost record... which only goes to show the true paucity of their boxing knowledge. I actually had the 'pleasure' of working with Mr Lewis for a time and must say that I'm rather baffled by his appointment as the Times boxing writer... his lack of true boxing knowledge (aside from what he is able to pick up on the internet) is matched only by the dullness of his writing... Peter Buckley deserved better than having this dullard and his cronie doing a hatchet job on him.....
Sounds like a hatchet job on Mr Lewis. Did you get turned down for the job?
I enjoy his stuff, on the blog and in the paper.
I took a fiver off Ron Lewis. He was convinced that Mo Hussein would do Lloyd Christie for the British light-welterweight title when they met at the Albert Hall in the summer of 1987. I knew that Hussein, nicknamed the Greek Tank, was tremendously strong and on a great run but Hussein was stepping up a division to challenge the battle-hardened Christie, who could whack and boasted a draw with reigning world light-welterweight champion Terry Marsh. It was touch and go but Christie stopped Hussein in the very last round and Ron paid up.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 05:07
by Giancarlo
bennie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 04:56
gobbles wrote: ↑31 Oct 2008, 07:00
fatcity69 wrote:I brought the paper thinking it would have an interesting peice on a largely unappreciated fighter, but when I then read it I was so disgusted I just threw it in the bin... its the kind of hatchet journalism that youd expect from the Sun rather than the times... it seems the keybaord warriors of the times think its funny to look down their noses at Peter on the basis of his won - lost record... which only goes to show the true paucity of their boxing knowledge. I actually had the 'pleasure' of working with Mr Lewis for a time and must say that I'm rather baffled by his appointment as the Times boxing writer... his lack of true boxing knowledge (aside from what he is able to pick up on the internet) is matched only by the dullness of his writing... Peter Buckley deserved better than having this dullard and his cronie doing a hatchet job on him.....
Sounds like a hatchet job on Mr Lewis. Did you get turned down for the job?
I enjoy his stuff, on the blog and in the paper.
I took a fiver off Ron Lewis. He was convinced that Mo Hussein would do Lloyd Christie for the British light-welterweight title when they met at the Albert Hall in the summer of 1987. I knew that Hussein, nicknamed the Greek Tank, was tremendously strong and on a great run but Hussein was stepping up a division to challenge the battle-hardened Christie, who could whack and boasted a draw with reigning world light-welterweight champion Terry Marsh. It was touch and go but Christie stopped Hussein in the very last round and Ron paid up.
Kostas Petrou was The Greek Tank. Hussein was of arab extraction I believe.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 05:15
by JamesPhilips
Giancarlo wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 05:07
bennie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 04:56
gobbles wrote: ↑31 Oct 2008, 07:00
Sounds like a hatchet job on Mr Lewis. Did you get turned down for the job?
I enjoy his stuff, on the blog and in the paper.
I took a fiver off Ron Lewis. He was convinced that Mo Hussein would do Lloyd Christie for the British light-welterweight title when they met at the Albert Hall in the summer of 1987. I knew that Hussein, nicknamed the Greek Tank, was tremendously strong and on a great run but Hussein was stepping up a division to challenge the battle-hardened Christie, who could whack and boasted a draw with reigning world light-welterweight champion Terry Marsh. It was touch and go but Christie stopped Hussein in the very last round and Ron paid up.
Kostas Petrou was The Greek Tank. Hussein was of arab extraction I believe.
I think Mo was of Moroccan descent though may be wrong.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 06:23
by bennie
Giancarlo wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 05:07
bennie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 04:56
gobbles wrote: ↑31 Oct 2008, 07:00
Sounds like a hatchet job on Mr Lewis. Did you get turned down for the job?
I enjoy his stuff, on the blog and in the paper.
I took a fiver off Ron Lewis. He was convinced that Mo Hussein would do Lloyd Christie for the British light-welterweight title when they met at the Albert Hall in the summer of 1987. I knew that Hussein, nicknamed the Greek Tank, was tremendously strong and on a great run but Hussein was stepping up a division to challenge the battle-hardened Christie, who could whack and boasted a draw with reigning world light-welterweight champion Terry Marsh. It was touch and go but Christie stopped Hussein in the very last round and Ron paid up.
Kostas Petrou was The Greek Tank. Hussein was of arab extraction I believe.
You're right. I remember Hussein had some sort of nickname on the way up but the Greek Tank belongs to the always underrated Kostas Petrou of Birmingham. Kostas won a British title and gave Lloyd Honeyghan a really hard fight but had his licence pulled in 1989 after a failed brain scan, after which he went unlicenced.
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 06:30
by Fray Bentos
bennie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 06:23
Giancarlo wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 05:07
bennie wrote: ↑01 Oct 2021, 04:56
I took a fiver off Ron Lewis. He was convinced that Mo Hussein would do Lloyd Christie for the British light-welterweight title when they met at the Albert Hall in the summer of 1987. I knew that Hussein, nicknamed the Greek Tank, was tremendously strong and on a great run but Hussein was stepping up a division to challenge the battle-hardened Christie, who could whack and boasted a draw with reigning world light-welterweight champion Terry Marsh. It was touch and go but Christie stopped Hussein in the very last round and Ron paid up.
Kostas Petrou was The Greek Tank. Hussein was of arab extraction I believe.
You're right. I remember Hussein had some sort of nickname on the way up but the Greek Tank belongs to the always underrated Kostas Petrou of Birmingham. Kostas won a British title and gave Lloyd Honeyghan a really hard fight but had his licence pulled in 1989 after a failed brain scan, after which he went unlicenced.
Mo Hussein was Turkish-Cypriot but wore West Ham colours... he lost to Christie going a weight up but beat Mark Reefer who went up a weight himself (or boiled himself down to super feather after losing to Hussein).
Re: Times bash Buckley – no way to treat such a loyal servant
Posted: 01 Oct 2021, 16:12
by Giancarlo
Kostas Petrou was a real crowd pleaser.
His war with Rocky Kelly was one of the best scraps in a British ring back in the 80's. Highlights of that absolute war are on youtube.
Kelly himself was an all-action fighter. His cracking fight with Tony Brown is also on youtube in its entirety and well worth a watch.
