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[scartissue]

Saw on another site someone bringing up the Roberto Duran - Robbie Sims bout and how he thought Duran won. Realizing I missed that fight back in the day, I found the need to remedy the situation.

Round 1: 10-9 Duran
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Sims
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Sims
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 Duran
Round 8: 10-9 Sims (scored it even, but Duran lost a point for a low-blow)
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Sims

Total: 97-96 Sims

First of all - great fight! Fought in tight with beautiful, clean punches on both sides. Just felt Sims was a bit busier against the aging Duran who was puffing at the end. I had a number of even rounds but when you see the long levels of infighting, you'll know why.

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Junior Jones vs. Marco Antonio Barrera II

Round 1: 10-9 Jones
Round 2: 10-9 Barrera
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Jones
Round 5: 10-9 Jones
Round 6: 10-9 Barrera
Round 7: 10-9 Jones
Round 8: 10-9 Jones
Round 9: 10-8 Jones (point deducted from Barrera for continued low-blows - 3rd warning)
Round 10: 10-9 Jones
Round 11: 10-9 Barrera
Round 12: 10-9 Barrera

Total: 116-112 Jones

Actual scorecards were 116-111, 114-113 and 114-112 all for Jones

Amazing how a fighter can show up and have that Indian hex over a great. And this is the case here. You gotta give Jones his due.

[Seamus]

I was sure he was going to beat Paul Ingle, until he got caught early in the 11th round.

[scartissue]

I was still thinking of Barrera and I remembered his bout with Kennedy McKinney. Just thought I would check it out again, only because it was an awesome fight. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 MAB
Round 2: 10-9 MAB
Round 3: 10-9 McKinney
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 McKinney
Round 6: 10-9 MAB
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-7 MAB (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 9: 10-8 MAB (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 10-9 McKinney
Round 11: 10-8 McKinney (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: MAB stops McKinney

Total through 11 completed rounds: 105-102 Barrera

Official scores were 106-100 by all 3 judges. I just felt it was a bit tighter, but a terrific fight nonetheless.

[Seamus]

Larry Holmes vs Trevor Berbick

Never watched this fight before. Very one sided as I expected from what I read. I gave Berbick the 12th and had the 5th and the 15th even. Larry Holmes 149-138

[Seamus]

It's a recent one that I finally got around to watching in it's entirety, but I put it here any way.

Orlando Salido vs Vasyl Lomachenko

1) 10-9 VL
2) 10-9 OS
3) 10-9 OS
4) 10-10
5) 10-9 VL
6) 10-9 OS
7) 10-9 OS
8) 10-9 OS
9) 10-9 VL
10) 10-9 OS
11) 10-9 VL
12) 10-9 VL

Orlando Salido 115-114

Lomachenko deserved at least a draw, but pts were never taken from Salido for numerous low blows. The size disparity was obvious, and yet it was the bigger man who looked weaker at the end. Outstanding performance from Lomachenko when you consider the weight difference and lack of pro-experience.

[Seamus]

Jose Napoles vs Clyde Gray

I gave Gray the 8th and had the 9th and 15th even. Napoles won the rest and Gray was down from left right to the head in the 5th. Jose Napoles 74-62

I just can't see how the 3 judges had Napoles winning by only 3-4-6 pts. Gray show's the odd flash of brilliance here and there by rocking Napoles with a good counter, but then does nothing for the rest of the round. It would have been interesting to see what kind of numbers Gray put up on compu-box. Very disappointing performance from Gray.

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Jose Napoles vs Clyde Gray

I gave Gray the 8th and had the 9th and 15th even. Napoles won the rest and Gray was down from left right to the head in the 5th. Jose Napoles 74-62

I just can't see how the 3 judges had Napoles winning by only 3-4-6 pts. Gray show's the odd flash of brilliance here and there by rocking Napoles with a good counter, but then does nothing for the rest of the round. It would have been interesting to see what kind of numbers Gray put up on compu-box. Very disappointing performance from Gray.

Seamus, I scored this one about a year ago. I was a bit kinder to Gray, but still had it wider than the judges. Here's what I wrote.

I watched this fight live back in the day and remember scoring it back then too. This fight was fought at such a high-level of skill with jabs, combos, body-work, etc. that the fight went really quick for me. Although it did bog down in the 12th and 13th when the fighters appeared to take some time off work to gain a second wind. Anyways, here we go, Jose Napoles v Clyde Gray. 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Napoles
Round 2: 5-5 Even
Round 3: 5-4 Napoles
Round 4: 5-4 Gray
Round 5: 5-3 Napoles (Napoles scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 5-4 Napoles
Round 7: 5-4 Napoles
Round 8: 5-4 Gray
Round 9: 5-4 Gray
Round 10: 5-4 Napoles
Round 11: 5-4 Napoles
Round 12: 5-4 Napoles
Round 13: 5-4 Napoles
Round 14: 5-4 Napoles
Round 15: 5-4 Gray

Total 71-64 Napoles

They tried this deal during the fight of flashing the scorecards to the audience and Cosell relayed it on the vid. Out of the 3 judges i had it the widest for Napoles. But not to detract from Gray's performance, he was an excellent fighter and very underrated in the history of 147. He could do it all, just not as well as Napoles could. Watching last night's fight between Garcia and Guerrero and then watching this makes me believe that Garcia and guerrero should feel very lucky they came along in the era of multiple champs, because they wouldn't get a sniff of a title shot with the top ten that existed back then.

[Seamus]

Gray should have watched the films of the 2 fights Napoles had with Curtis Cokes. You can't wait for opening against Napoles for long periods because he's just too busy with both hands.

[Seamus]

A rather short one

Jose Napoles vs Billy Backus I

R1.JN
R2.JN
R3.Even

Billy Backus TKO 4 Jose Napoles

Backus' only chance of winning this was to turn it into a war and that's what he did in the 3rd. Napoles was a trifle unlucky, but the eye cut came from a punch. Here's a trivia question for the forum. What was Backus 2nd best win after Napoles ?

[scartissue]

I would automatically say Manny Gonzalez. I believe he was the #1 contender when they fought. BTW, that 3rd round of Napoles-Backus I was terrific.

[Seamus]

Funny thing is, i'm not even sure who it was.

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Ralph Dupas v Charley Scott IV

I really enjoyed this fight. Phone booth warfare and tough to score. Rounds basis.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Dupas
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Dupas
Round 5: Scott
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Dupas
Round 8: Dupas
Round 9: Dupas
Round 10: Dupas

Total: 6-1-3 Dupas

Very few pure boxers I have seen that can fight in the pocket and make you miss and pay. Willie Pep, Albert Davila, Wilfredo Benitez all come to mind and Ralph Dupas does it here. Don Dunphy said it right during the fight when he said, "Do you score for the big punch that offsets the several lighter punches? It's a matter of opinion." Scott seemed to be a bit of a hard-luck fighter, but a damn good one. Also like Dunphy said, that Scott wanted a long range fight so he could unload the heavy artillery, but Dupas stayed right in his chest. Official scores were 6-3-1, 6-4 and 5-5 with a supplementary use of scores to end up as 6-5 all for Dupas. Again, a really good fight.

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JCC vs Taylor

1. 9 - 10 Taylor
2. 10 - 10 Even
3. 9 - 10 Taylor
4. 10 - 10 Even
5. 9 - 10 Taylor
6. 9 - 10 Taylor
7. 9 - 10 Taylor
8. 9 - 10 Taylor
9. 9 - 10 Taylor
10. 10 - 9 Chaves
11. 10 - 10 Even
12. Heartbreaking stoppage, hard to argue against the ref, who didn't know the time and could see he was gone but for the viewer knowing there's 2 seconds left, that was painful to watch

I could have scored the 2nd and 4th to Taylor, I felt he was winning but Chaves did enough to nick a share.
I never had Chaves ahead in a round up to and including the halfway point in round 10. Fantastic performance and very fortunate for Chaves

Davie, it's been a long time since I watched this one but time to put pen to paper.

Round 1: 10-9 Taylor
Round 2: 10-9 Taylor
Round 3: 10-9 Taylor
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Taylor
Round 6: 10-9 Taylor
Round 7: 10-9 Taylor
Round 8: 10-9 Taylor
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Chavez
Round 11: 10-9 Taylor
Round 12: TKO for Chavez

Total through 11 rounds: 109-102 for Taylor

I always blamed Lou Duva for this one. Taylor was obviously buzzed and it didn't take much to distract a fighter seeing birds flying about, especially a cantankerous trainer on the ring apron raving at the top of his lungs. Had Duva kept quiet, not another punch would have been thrown because he likely would have responded to Steele.

[Seamus]

Ray Mercer vs Bert Cooper

R1.10-8 (Cooper down from an overhand right to the head) RM
R2.10-9 BC
R3.10-9 RM
R4.10-9 RM
R5.10-9 RM
R6.10-9 BC
R7.10-9 RM
R8.10-9 RM
R9.10-9 RM
R10.10-9 RM
R11.10-9 RM
R12.10-9 RM

Ray Mercer 118-109

Watched this fight live, but missed about 4 rds due to an electrical storm. This was an excellent all action bout with both guys throwing, and even though I had Mercer winning by a wide margin, Cooper landed good shots in just about every round.

[Ambling Alp II]

I remember this fight. Some fights are like that where one guy is winning just about all of the rounds but many of the individual rounds are close. Cooper actually was a decent fighter for a while. He was was in some interesting fights as was Mercer. I think this fight was actually free on network TV.

[Seamus]

Johnny Bumphus vs Marlon Starling

R1.10-10 Even
R2.10-9 MS
R3.10-9 JB
R4.10-9 MS
R5.10-10 Even
R6.10-9 JB

Fight stopped after an accidental headbutt badly cut Bumphus' eye. I had it 58-58 a Draw.

The 3 judges had Bumphus ahead by 3-5-1 pts. Bumphus threw more punches, but Starling blocked a good pct of them.

[scartissue]

I scored Mayorga vs Forrest II a draw the other day. I think that makes me a horrible person.

Then I'm equally horrible.

x3

Ricardo Mayorga vs Vernon Forrest II

Round 1: 10-9 Forrest
Round 2: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 3: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 4: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 5: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 6: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 7: 10-9 Forrest
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Forrest
Round 10: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 11: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 117-113 Mayorga

Unfortunately I cannot agree with my colleagues above. I really liked Vernon, having met him personally, but although Mayorga had a mugging style, it was nonetheless effective here.

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Jim Watt vs Perico Fernandez

First of all let me just state 'Do not bother your arse watching this fight!' I thought this was going to be decent knowing Fernandez was a former champ and Watt a future champ. But outside of Fernandez decking Watt in the first round, that was about it from him. I will only post the highlights here

Round 1: 10-8 Fernandez (scored a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-8 Watt (Ref gives Fernandez a standing 8 count)
Round 12: 10-7 Watt (Ref gives Fernandez 2 standing 8 counts)
Round 15: 10-10 Even

The other 10 rounds I scored 10-9 for Watt. I thought I was in store for a good fight after that first round but after that Fernandez just lay on the ropes or in a corner covered up throwing the odd counter hoping to catch Watt. What a plan! I think I scored the 9th and 15th even out of pity. The standing counts were simply because he just wouldn't throw any punches and the ref was getting fed up watching Watt pound the Spainard. I can't believe he ever held a title. He was clearly the harder puncher but Watt was sharper, a better boxer and he dictated the fight. What a waste of time. My final score was 148-135 for Watt.

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Ricardo Mayorga vs Fernando Vargas

Here's another Mayorga fight. Right towards the end of their respective careers, but it was bombs away nonetheless.

Round 1: 10-8 Mayorga (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Vargas
Round 5: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 6: 10-9 Vargas
Round 7: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 8: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 9: 10-9 Vargas
Round 10: 10-9 Vargas
Round 11: 10-8 Mayorga (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-9 Mayorga

Total: 116-111 Mayorga

Official scores were 115-111, 114-112 and a ridiculous 113-113. Vargas looked like he had momentum until that 11th round knockdown which sealed it up for Mayorga. Again, end of their careers - Vargas looking very paunchy - but this was just for good kicks and to wash that memory of Watt-Fernandez out of my head.

[Counter-puncher]

Ricardo Mayorga vs Fernando Vargas

Here's another Mayorga fight. Right towards the end of their respective careers, but it was bombs away nonetheless.

Round 1: 10-8 Mayorga (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Vargas
Round 5: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 6: 10-9 Vargas
Round 7: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 8: 10-9 Mayorga
Round 9: 10-9 Vargas
Round 10: 10-9 Vargas
Round 11: 10-8 Mayorga (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-9 Mayorga

Total: 116-111 Mayorga

Official scores were 115-111, 114-112 and a ridiculous 113-113. Vargas looked like he had momentum until that 11th round knockdown which sealed it up for Mayorga. Again, end of their careers - Vargas looking very paunchy - but this was just for good kicks and to wash that memory of Watt-Fernandez out of my head.

Really fun fight, Vargas the tighter boxer, Mayorga justbtoo resilient and aggressive

[Seamus]

Jeff Harding vs Dennis Andries III

R1.10-9 DA
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 DA
R4.10-9 DA
R5.10-9 JH
R6.10-9 JH
R7.10-9 JH
R8.10-9 JH
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 JH
R11.10-9 JH
R12.10-9 JH

Jeff Harding 117-113

Pretty good fight, that I had Harding winning by a wider margin than the judges. Andries through the more impressive looking punches, but his output and accuracy drropped off after about the 4th round. Harding meanwhile was all business, making frequent use of his jab and consistently landing short combinations to Andries body.

[Seamus]

Mike McCallum vs Jeff Harding

R1.10-9 MM
R2.10-9 MM
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 JH (1 pt taken from McCallum for a low blow)
R5.10-9 MM
R6.10-9 MM
R7.10-9 JH
R8.10-9 MM
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 JH
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 JH

Mike McCallum 116-113

Unlike in the Andries fight, Harding never got his body attack started against McCallum. His durability in stamina made the fight closer in the end, but his biggest fault in this one was all the uppercuts he got caught with. Good performance from McCallum, who at 37, paced himself well and took a few rounds back that he was losing in the final minute.

[Counter-puncher]

Mike McCallum vs Jeff Harding

R1.10-9 MM
R2.10-9 MM
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 JH (1 pt taken from McCallum for a low blow)
R5.10-9 MM
R6.10-9 MM
R7.10-9 JH
R8.10-9 MM
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 JH
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 JH

Mike McCallum 116-113

Unlike in the Andries fight, Harding never got his body attack started against McCallum. His durability in stamina made the fight closer in the end, but his biggest fault in this one was all the uppercuts he got caught with. Good performance from McCallum, who at 37, paced himself well and took a few rounds back that he was losing in the final minute.

Really good fight from the old man, entertaining scrap as ever from Harding but he was made for McCallum. Regarding body shots I think if you look at them facing one another in the ring you could see McCallums more hunched posture ready to go towards the bodyshot and deny leverage, and elbows well positioned to block the route to the body, compared with Harding who was very upright and had his hands very high, as unlike Harding, McCallum could defend himself without his gloves on his temples.

[Seamus]

Exactly Counter-puncher ! Unlike McCallum, Andries would throw a huge right or left and when it missed or only partially landed, he'd be open for 4 short counters to the body. Couldn't be done against the Body Snatcher.