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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2008, 23:31
by dagosd2000
BOXING 101, FAIR AND SQUARE

In San Diego,to hear the old timers talk,boxing was discontinued as a part of the physical eduacation program in the city high schools after World War II. Just about all of the old boys gave it a whirl. I guess it was optional,but if only for curiosity sake, just about all the fellas' laced up the gloves. Maybe they wanted to test themselves. Maybe they wanted to learn how to protect themselves. Maybe they didn't care for volleyball and badminton.

I know this. I remember as kids ,if we had a beef with someone ,we duked it out one on one or went to the Boy's Club and got in the ring to settle matters. It was better that way. Even if we fought in the alley there were rules. Nothing dirty.

Today kids fight most of the time with an advantage. Either their buddies jump in or they're carrying a weapon. That's what leads to retaliation and deaths. If you need an advantage,you're scared to begin with. Then when it's over,you act all bad and tough.

The old timers,even though they walk with a limp,aren't afraid. They must look at how it is today and wonder. Chicken shit fights or some guy walking around with a Black Belt who's never been in a fight in his life.

The way fights are conducted today to settle something is like looking at life through a microscope. Everything is out of focus.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 00:23
by Randyman
Alan Minter pays tribute to late boxer Kevin Finnegan

By David Anderson 24/10/2008

Alan Minter has paid tribute to his toughest-ever opponent Kevin Finnegan.
The former European and British middleweight champion, 60, was found dead by police after they broke into his home in Hillingdon, west London.
Finnegan, younger brother of 1968 Olympic gold medallist Chris, lost three epic battles with Minter on points in the 1970s.
Ex-world middleweight champion Minter, 57, said "When you fight someone three times you have a special rapport and they become a brother to you.
"He gave me the three hardest fights of my life."
Brother Chris said: "Kevin was the cream of boxing, he had far more class than me.
"In all his boxing career he was never knocked out, this time he just couldn't beat the count."

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 01:22
by bennie
You know, I've been trying to recall if Finnegan ever even got knocked down. Something tells me Tonna may have turned the trick in the rematch on Tonna turf in France - and Finnegan climbed up and dished out a total boxing lesson.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 01:30
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Is the Heavyweight Division Ready for a Hayemaker: David Haye Zeroes in on Monte Barrett
By Geoff Poundes
Ringside Report

Let’s not fool ourselves – heavyweight boxing is in a state of disrepair. We, who adore this sport of ours, are desperate to find a shining knight who can bring life to boxing’s flagship division, and, whether we like it or not, the reflected glory of a glamorous Heavyweight Champion shines down on the rest of boxing. No, the Klitschko brothers are neither glamorous, nor are they shining examples of the fistic art. Lest we forget that heavyweight boxing is an art, I give you Muhammad Ali, James J.Corbett, Jack Johnson, Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, as just a few examples of big men who won the richest prize exhibiting grace and ring craft, and the kind of silky skills that the Klitschko boys are foreign to.

It is perhaps enlightening to note that until 11th October this year, many of us had placed our faith in the restoration of the division at the club feet of one Peter Samuel, forgetting that the Nigerian’s reputation was largely based on two closely fought encounters with James Toney, who was touching 40 at the time and weighing 97 pounds above his ideal fighting weight. Sure, Toney is as proficient a performer as any that has entered a ring, but 97 pounds overweight? Samuel was of course cruelly exposed by the better (or least worst) of the Klitschko brothers over 8 lop-sided rounds, when he surrendered, literally and metaphorically, his title and probable career. Some are now lauding Vitali as the messiah he at one time promised to be, but he’s 37 and actually not that great when faced with a man who’s not a (relative) pint-sized robot stuck in first gear.

Which brings us to David “The Hayemaker” Haye, a 27 year old from London, England, who operates with a ready smile and a flair for PR. Haye has fashioned himself into a new type of Heavyweight – one who takes no prisoners in or out of the ring. Inspired, no doubt, by Oscar De La Hoya’s “Golden Boy,” he’s out to take the UK by storm with his “Hayemaker Promotions,” and go up against the likes of long-term British promoters allegedly allegedly and Frank Maloney in the world of business. It helps that he’s flashy, good-looking, intelligent and charismatic. However, having made his name in the cruiserweight ranks, he’s given himself a two-fold problem: first, how to transfer a knockout punch at 200 pounds into a knockout punch at 230 plus, and second, how to concentrate 100% on doing so while being the face and draw of a fledgling commercial enterprise.

What’s more, despite Haye carrying all before him at Cruiserweight, he hasn’t made it without bumps in the road. He was knocked down and stopped by Carl Thompson in his 11th professional outing and again knocked down and almost senseless by Jean Marc Mormeck in a fight he eventually won to carry off the WBA and WBC Cruiserweight Titles in 2007. Now, both Thompson and Mormeck were clearly punchers at the weight, and respectable fighters in their own right – but seasoned on-lookers are nonetheless troubled by what appears to be a susceptibility round the whiskers. His stamina also, which hasn’t been tested significantly over the longer route, may well find itself properly examined at the heavier weight.

Haye, of course, will point to a 21-1, 20 KO’s, record as proof that his chin and lungs are sound at cruiserweight, where he’s operated almost exclusively in his 7 years as a professional (he had a brief excursion up to heavyweight in April 2007 to mete out a 1 round defeat to little-known Tomasz Bonin). Now he’s gone a step further, and announced that on November 15th he’s going to step between the ropes with reputable American Monte “2-Gunz” Barrett at the 02 Arena in London’s Docklands. With refreshing and too-rare candor Haye acknowledges the risk he’s taking:

“He’s definitely going to test my chin,” accepted Haye. “At some stage in the first couple of rounds I’m going to get a couple of guns bouncing off my chin. How am I going to react? Some people think I’ll fall on the floor and go to sleep. I think I’ll be able to tough it out. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens when I get hit solidly by a genuine heavyweight punch on the chin. It’s going to happen. You can’t go swimming and not get wet. It’s going to be interesting and I’m looking forward to it.”

A heavyweight who’s prepared to take a punch on the chin? The Klitschko brothers are doubtless shaking in their size 14’s at the prospect of swapping blows with such an adversary, but Monte Barrett is no stranger to a fight. A professional for 12 years, Barrett has shared a ring with some of the big names, and twice challenged for a version of the heavyweight title: the lesser talented of the Klitschko twins, Wladimir (Lost TKO 7) Greg Page (W10), Tim Witherspoon (W10), Hasim Rahman (L12), and the 7 feet 2 inch giant Nikolay Valuev (Lost KO11). Sure, Witherspoon and Page were over 40 when Barrett beat them, but they remain impressive names on the record. More persuasively, Barrett has won his last three contests by early KO, and in his last fight in June this year he put the much-touted Tye Fields to sleep in less than a round, and he has no doubts as to the outcome on November 15th:

“I’m happy that David stepped up (to fight me) because he had so many opportunities to fight lots of other guys. He’s chosen to fight me and I’m the most dangerous of them all. On November 15, you’ll see why I’m the most dangerous. I’m the most focused and the hungriest. David is 10 years my junior and my girlfriend is 10 years my junior. The difference between her and David is she likes it when I spank her ass!”

Haye should be congratulated for stepping up and putting that “ass” on the line, in his first meaningful heavyweight fight. He’s taken himself off to training camp in Cyprus to gain the weight he needs in the most scientific and productive manner possible, and he’s deadly serious when he calls out the Klitschko’s and the Valuev’s and states that it’s his destiny to become the poster-boy Heavyweight Champion we’re all crying out for.

Of course, we’ve heard it all before. Heavyweight history is littered with glittering champions-to-be who came unstuck when they stepped up to the big time. Wladimir himself went into a fight with Ross Puritty in 1998 sporting a 24-0 record and got himself knocked out in 11 rounds; our own Frank Bruno came unstuck in his 22nd fight when he was knocked out by James “Bonecrusher” Smith back in 1984. Does anyone remember Duane Bobick, a highly fancied Minnesota Heavyweight from the seventies who built a 37-0 record before stepping into the ring with “over-the-hill” puncher Ken Norton, and was blasted out in less than three minutes. In fact Norton himself had attracted much attention as an up-and-comer when in 1970 he took a 17-0 tab into a fight with Jose Luis Garcia, a fighter whose record was littered with early knockout wins, and got himself stopped in 8 rounds.

These are cautionary tales that David Haye would do well to consider. He’s taking on a puncher, at a weight that he has little or no experience of, with a chin that appears less than concrete and questionable stamina, and with the world looking on in expectation and hope. It’s a lot to place on the shoulders of the young man.

As a businessman, he’s made a sterling choice; as guardian of all that can be good about boxing, he’s made a sterling choice. As a fighter making his way in the world, he may be taking a risk too far – can he carry his punch against a man who will come into the ring close to 230 pounds? Can his chin withstand the punch of a man who consistently fells foes heavier than 230 pounds? Can his lungs carry him through 8, 9,10 rounds or more against a weightier opponent.

Most fighters with as much at stake would desire more certainty around their big-time debut. Not David Haye:

“I haven't wasted my time with fighters I'm odds-on to beat. The networks, the Americans, the casinos, they're not interested in that. They love my high-risk strategy. I put it on the line – like nobody else in boxing does.”

The pay-off, or otherwise, comes November 15th.

Haye boxed at heavy in the amateurs.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 07:32
by kikibalt
The following Enrique Bolanos photos courtesy of Robert Bolanos

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 09:35
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:
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Evander Holyfield

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The boxing world was agog over Mike Tyson in the late 1980's and going into the 90's but I think the best heavyweight to come out of that era is Evander Holyfield. He fought most of the guys Tyson avoided and beat them. Holyfield has a big heart. That's what took him so far. I wish he would hang them up. He doesn't sound so good anymore.

Randy :box:

Evander is not resting easily in retirement. His fortune is evaporating and his big home outside of Atlanta is up for sale.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 12:12
by kikibalt
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Matthew Saad Muhammad vs John Conteh

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 12:52
by bennie
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Matthew Saad Muhammad vs John Conteh
The second fight, and Conteh was destroyed and humiliated in five rounds. He reserved much of his unspent aggression for his hotel, as he went on the rampage.
Ignominious.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 12:58
by kikibalt
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Tommy Hearns vs Wilfred Benitez

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 13:00
by kikibalt
Article courtesy of Dan

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 13:25
by bennie
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Tommy Hearns vs Wilfred Benitez
Leonard keeping a close eye on the situ'. This was a pretty dull fight but a bloody good win for Tommy. Benitez was at his peak.
The night is best-remembered, of course, and rightly so, for Gomez-Pintor.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 15:13
by kikibalt
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Randy Neuman

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 15:16
by kikibalt
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Randy Nueman vs Jimmy Young

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 15:26
by kikibalt
Day of the Dead feast is a high-spirited affair

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Ricardo DeAratanha / Los Angeles Times
COMFORT FOOD: Specialties including turkey in mole, tamales and pan de muerto mark Sandi Romero¡¦s (in yellow) Diaƒ|de los Muertos dinner.

Honor the departed, then offer up champurrado, sugary pan de muerto, tamales, calabacitas and turkey in black mole at your Dia de los Muertos celebration.

By Amy Scattergood

A mug of warm champurrado, a soul-satisfying chocolate drink thickened with masa. Tamales like cornhusk offerings, wrapped gifts for the hungry guests. Sugar-dusted loaves of pan de muerto, the bread decorated with "bones" formed of dough. A plate of turkey smothered in a spicy black mole, as dense and dark and mysterious as the coming night. ¶ On the altars and dinner tables, Dia de los Muertos, or Day of the Dead, is about celebrating the spirits of the dead, not running from them. Unlike Halloween, these ghosts don't haunt so much as visit, returning to a daylight world of incense and bread, chocolate and marigolds. ¶ For Sandi Romero -- known to friends, family and tamale lovers everywhere as "Mama," of Mama's Hot Tamales Café near MacArthur Park -- Dia de los Muertos is a deeply personal celebration. Personal, but not private: Romero has been hosting parties celebrating the holiday at her home for decades.

In the five years since Mama's Hot Tamales Café opened in 2003, that party has widened to include not only Romero's family, but also the chefs and tamale vendors who come through the cafe -- which is a restaurant-business training center for the Institute for Urban Research and Development -- as well as local customers and tamale lovers who make the pilgrimage to Mama's from as far away as Australia.

This year, Romero is also cosponsoring the fourth annual Los Angeles International Tamale Festival and Dia de los Muertos, a three-day fair held this weekend in the blocked-off street running the length of MacArthur Park -- right in front of the bright, blue awnings of her popular cafe.

Romero's annual party just got a whole lot bigger.

Feasting on the traditional foods of the holiday (tamales, turkey in mole, pan de muerto and champurrado are some of the most popular) isn't the primary focus of the day, but a secondary event, something that happens once the altars are built, the spirits remembered.

"You serve them first," says Romero of the spirits and of the food traditionally placed at the altars and in cemeteries to honor the souls of the dead. "You remember them and then you eat."

But eat you do, especially if you come to Mama's heavily laden table.

Longtime tradition

Romero, a third-generation Angeleno, grew up with six siblings in the San Fernando Valley before she married and had a daughter and moved to Pasadena. Her grandfather was from Puebla, Mexico, her grandmother from Durango.

"Growing up, that was my thing: I loved Dia de los Muertos." Romero, a former Aztec dancer, remembers dancing in the cemeteries on the holiday and hosting parties at her house celebrating the event.

After a number of deaths in her family, the holiday became even more important to Romero. The altars she made and decorated with candles and sugar skulls, favorite foods and mementos, became more elaborate, the food made with the tastes of departed loved ones in mind: a bottle of one relative's favorite beer, atole (a flour-thickened drink similar to champurrado) offered in another's special ceramic mug.

"We do an altar here every year," says Romero, surveying the colorful environment at Mama's, where local artists sell paintings, jewelry and crafts in a dining room that also serves as Romero's office. And every year, Romero cooks a feast, with some of the food designated for the altar, some for the table.

"This is my gift, the food," says Romero, who now has two grandchildren.

In addition to tamales, a Dia de los Muertos feast might center on a platter of turkey mole. In Mama's tiny kitchen, chef Omar Lezcas, from San Pedro Pochutla, Oaxaca, who has been with Romero since the restaurant opened, makes his mole in a big metal pot worn and dented from constant use (at home Lezcas uses a cazuela, the traditional earthenware cooking pot). There's a giant tamale steamer next to the stove, and the heat in the cramped space is as palpable a force as the pungent scent of roasting chiles.

Lezcas' mole is dense, with a complexity that's so subtle it seems almost secretive. The many ingredients -- toasted chiles and chocolate, nuts and raisins and spices, bread and plantains and tomatoes -- are toasted, fried and blended, then cooked down to a paste before being thinned with turkey stock into a smooth sauce with the glossy texture of melted chocolate.

You may feel a bit like a sorcerer, stirring a bubbling vat of black potion, but the results are worth every minute. If you make a large batch (as this recipe calls for), the extra freezes up nicely. And if you have leftover turkey in mole, do what Lezcas does and make tamales.

Flavors of fall

Coming midway through the fall, Dia de los Muertos is also a seasonal celebration. Romero says she's always made calabacitas (squash), a homey dish of stewed zucchini, corn and tomatoes -- all part of the ongoing fall harvest around here -- for the holiday. It's a family dish, so making it also became a way of honoring the women who had made it before her.

While you make the pan de muerto, letting the orange-scented dough rise in a warm window, stir together a big batch of champurrado, a rich, creamy drink enriched with Mexican chocolate (tablets of bitter chocolate blended with sugar and cinnamon) and spiked with more cinnamon. Depending on your tastes -- and those of your relatives, both living and departed -- you might add more chocolate to this recipe, sweeten it with additional sugar, or lace the drink with a bit of vanilla. The consistency of champurrado also varies: Some people prefer it thinner, like hot chocolate, while others prefer theirs as thick as porridge. If you like yours thicker, just add more masa.

After the bread dough has risen, form part of it into two large round loaves, then roll out smaller pieces into "bones." The bones are laid across the top of the rounds, a "skull" in the center is made from a ball of dough, pressed down with flour-tipped fingers to form a ghoulish face.

This is a rich egg bread similar to brioche and flavored with orange zest and orange flower water. Bake it until it's golden brown, then brush it with melted butter and sprinkle it generously with sugar. You can take half the dough and, instead of making a second loaf, form it into figurines and animals; maybe dust the top with sugar colored a festive pink or purple.

Place some of the bread on the altar, more on the table. Dip a fragrant, buttery slice into a cup of champurrado. Light the candles. Pass around the plates. Turn up the music. After the spirits are honored, the dead remembered, fed and pacified, "then we just party and have fun," Romero says. "Because we're here; we're alive."

Scattergood is a Times staff writer.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 16:08
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:
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Evander Holyfield

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The boxing world was agog over Mike Tyson in the late 1980's and going into the 90's but I think the best heavyweight to come out of that era is Evander Holyfield. He fought most of the guys Tyson avoided and beat them. Holyfield has a big heart. That's what took him so far. I wish he would hang them up. He doesn't sound so good anymore.

Randy :box:

Evander is not resting easily in retirement. His fortune is evaporating and his big home outside of Atlanta is up for sale.

-Rick
Holyfield is one of my favorite fighters but his personal lifestyle leaves a lot to be desired. He has 11 children from almost as many mothers and is behind on his child support. His home is a testimony to his excessive over indulgent life style. It borders on the ridiculous.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 17:45
by Expug
Why would anyone want that much house?
Like George Foreman said," I like a house that is small enough for me to smell whats cooking in the kitchen from any room".

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 18:27
by kikibalt
Expug wrote:Why would anyone want that much house?
Like George Foreman said," I like a house that is small enough for me to smell whats cooking in the kitchen from any room".

Well, he does need a big house with all kids he has, but come on, does he need a house that big? I don't think so.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 19:07
by Expug
True.
I'd like to see Evander shut it down also.Hes got nothing else to prove in boxing. He was a great.
But now I hear he needs dough.
That little castle of his is gonna be tough to unload.All signs indicate a few more fights.
I dont know what it is about fighters and money.
The good thing is, there isnt any real monsters at heavyweight these days looking to add the Holyfield name to there resume.Maybe he can avoid a beating.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 19:21
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:
Expug wrote:Why would anyone want that much house?
Like George Foreman said," I like a house that is small enough for me to smell whats cooking in the kitchen from any room".

Well, he does need a big house with all kids he has, but come on, does he need a house that big? I don't think so.
I'm just guessing and I'm no psychiatrist but I think when someone goes overboard with anything they are probably over compensating for something in their personal life or from something in their past. In Holyfield's case, it was probably a tough childhood. Personally, I think a guy could get lonely living in a house like that.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 19:51
by kikibalt
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Buddy Garcia

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 19:54
by kikibalt
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George Godfrey...c.1930

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 19:55
by Randyman
Hey Rog, I'm eating a hot sausage and peppers sandwich right now. I had them throw some onion and provolone on it. It's good eating!

Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 19:57
by kikibalt
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Leo Lomski

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 20:46
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:
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Evander Holyfield

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The boxing world was agog over Mike Tyson in the late 1980's and going into the 90's but I think the best heavyweight to come out of that era is Evander Holyfield. He fought most of the guys Tyson avoided and beat them. Holyfield has a big heart. That's what took him so far. I wish he would hang them up. He doesn't sound so good anymore.

Randy :box:

Evander is not resting easily in retirement. His fortune is evaporating and his big home outside of Atlanta is up for sale.

-Rick
THE MARINE WHO WAS CHAMP

The last ten years or so it's like shooting fish in a barrell with this Evander Holyfield guy. You're taking too many punches. You're too old. You don't have it anymore.

Fathering all these babies with all these different women. That's where your dough is going. Hey,you're spending way over your head. You don't need all that stuff. Cars and more cars. What do you need a palacial mansion for?

What a target for criticism. Couldn't swing a dead cat and not hit something that this guy has screwed up lately. But Evander, I remember when all the experts thought you didn't have a prayer against Tyson. He tried to stare you down. He saw you weren't afraid. I've never seen you afraid. Turned Mike into the little bitch he thought he was going to make of you. He had to bite you. Mike,bitches fight like that.

You did it your way Evander. No regrets. You did it your way. Screw everyone,hey Evander. All this advice. You're broke? You'll never be Champ again? Maybe you still think you'll get the title back and be "fat again". I ain't gonna talk you out of it. No one will. And when you disagree,you do it with a smile. Like that.

Evander Holyfield. U.S. Marine and Heavyweight Champion of the World. I wonder how many of the people who give you advice,wouldn't have traded places with you at the blink of an eye?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Oct 2008, 20:55
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:Article courtesy of Dan

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I'll write something later about that night. Drove up to the Forum to watch this great fight and the great Mantequilla Napoles. I was worried. Indian Red was tough and had the heart of a Lion,but Jose knocked him down the 1st and slowly took Ernie apart. Napoles and Sugar Ray Robinson always seemed to be above all their competition. Their skills were an example of how intelligent they were in the ring. When Rszadilla stopped it in the last round,Ernie knew he' had enough.