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Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 01:54
by Rick Farris
[quote="dagosd2000]

Hey Frank,Were you at the Forum the night Castillo lost to Rose? I heard the"aficianados" weren't too happy with the decision.



Dagos, I wasn''t only there, but wrote about the "Riot" in my story about Lionel Rose. Here is the link:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box2-00.htm#rose

-Rick

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 04:29
by dagosd2000
Rick,Do you ever remember or know anything about a kid's program called "Joe Palooka?" To my knowledge it was the only TV series about a fictional fighter. I didn't like it that much,but not many people remember it. I can't remember who played Joe Palooka,but I remember "Slapsie Maxie" Rosenbloom was in it. Any stories on Rosenbloom? He was a west coast fighter with a long record.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:19
by kikibalt
Not boxing, but thought you might like to read it anyway.

Manuel Reyes, 82; Conviction in Sleepy Lagoon murder case later overturned

By Dennis McLellan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 7, 2008

Manuel Reyes, a defendant in the infamous 1942 Sleepy Lagoon murder case in which 12 young Mexican American men were unjustly convicted of the murder of a Mexican national and served nearly two years in prison before their convictions were reversed, has died. He was 82.

Reyes, the former owner of a South Los Angeles taco stand, died of cancer Feb. 5 in the Los Angeles home of his eldest son, Manuel, said Mario Reyes, his youngest son.

A Los Angeles native who dropped out of high school in the 10th grade and began helping his uncle on his garbage-collecting route, Reyeswas 17 when he was arrested in connection with the murder of Jose Diaz, a young farmworker who died Aug. 2, 1942, after being found brutally beaten and stabbed at a ranch in Montebello.

Reyes was among 24 young Mexican American men who were charged in the case, and the ensuing trial of 22 of them became one of the largest mass trials in American history.

"My dad just told me he was guilty by association because they were Hispanic," said Mario Reyes. "He said they just rounded up a bunch of Mexicans and let some go. He never went into details about anything that happened that night."

Some of the defendants, according to trial testimony, had been assaulted by a gang called the Downey Boys earlier in the night at a reservoir dubbed Sleepy Lagoon, after a popular song of the day.

When they and other young men from their 38th Street neighborhood later returned to the reservoir to retaliate, the Downey gang was gone. They then crashed a birthday party at the nearby ranch, where, according to testimony, some of the defendants demanded to know the whereabouts of the "men who had beaten them up."

After some of the 38th Street boys entered the house, a fight broke out.

After the intruders had departed, Diaz was found lying unconscious in the dirt outside the fence south of the house.

The trial, which raised constitutional issues and continues to be cited today when appeals are made on the basis of an unfair trial, has been called "one of the darkest chapters in Los Angeles court history."

While being held in Los Angeles County Jail, the 22 defendants were denied haircuts, and they were not allowed a change of clothes during the first month of the 13-weektrial.

When defense attorneys objected that the unkempt "boys looked like mobsters, like disreputable persons," Judge Charles W. Fricke ruled against the motion.

The judge also ignored defense attorneys' objections to the courtroom's seating arrangements: Rather than sitting next to their lawyers, the defendants sat in two rows of seats facing the jury, which prevented them from consulting with their attorneys during the proceedings.

Jurors also were allowed to go home at night and had access to the frequently sensationalistic media coverage of the trial, as well as stories on juvenile delinquency that focused on Mexican American gang members.

The all-white jury found three of the defendants guilty of first-degree murder; nine, including Reyes, were found guilty of second-degree murder. Five other defendants were convicted of assault, and five were acquitted.

Carey McWilliams, a noted advocate for social justice, headed the Sleepy Lagoon Defense Committee to publicize the injustice of the trial and to raise money to fund the appeal.

"It was a racist trial," Alice Greenfield McGrath, who was present at the trial and served as the committee's executive secretary, told The Times this week. "The judge was unfailingly supporting the prosecution and on many instances was even insulting the defense attorneys."

After 12 of the defendants were sent to San Quentin State Prison, McGrath kept them updated on committee activities and visited them about every six weeks. She remembered Reyes being "one of the quieter ones -- a few of them had pretty interesting personalities -- and he was a pleasant person. He was never in any kind of trouble before or after."

In October 1944, the 2nd District Court of Appeal reversed all the convictions, citing insufficient evidence to show that the defendants had conspired to commit the crimes and saying that there was "no evidence to show that any of the defendants murdered the deceased."

The court also said the trial judge was "guilty of prejudicial misconduct in making undignified and intemperate remarks" to the defendants' counsel and admonished the judge for providing inadequate seating arrangements that isolated the defendants.

Soon after, a Superior Court judge dismissed the charges.

The last time McGrath saw Reyes was in 1997 when he and other surviving defendants met in El Monte for a reunion to celebrate McGrath's 80th birthday.

Then 71, Reyes could still recite his prison number: 69597.

"I wasn't 'Mr. Reyes' or 'Punk,' " he said. "I was a number."

Two decades earlier -- in 1979 -- Reyes had joined the seven other surviving defendants in an invasion of privacy suit against writer-director Luis Valdez and others involved in the production of Valdez's critically acclaimed play "Zoot Suit," which was inspired by the Sleepy Lagoon murder case.

An out-of-court settlement resulted in the eight men being awarded financial participation in performances of the play and 1% of the net profits of the ensuing film to be divided among them, their lawyer, Paul Fitzgerald, said in 1981.

It was not until the suit was filed, Mario Reyes said, that he and his siblings learned that their father had been involved in the case.

"We had no clue," he said. "My dad was very quiet about his growing up. We never knew anything" until the suit "started to surface. He said, 'I might as well tell you; it's going to come out anyway.' "

Reyes was born in Los Angeles on July 13, 1925. After he was released from prison, he served stateside in the Army during World War II.

He held a variety of jobs, working as a tailor, a shop steward in a warehouse and a truck driver, before he and his wife, Maria, opened El Taco Mexicano in South Los Angeles in 1958.

Reyes' son Manuel took over the taco stand in 1969. In 2002, it was taken over by Mario Reyes, who still owns it.

In addition to his sons Manuel and Mario, Reyes is survived by another son and a daughter; a brother, two sisters and six grandchildren.

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Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:35
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Hey D. dude

Never liked pozole, Menudo for me .
Rojo or blanco?
Rojo and with pata!!

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:36
by bennie
Alex Ramos had a great fight with Curtis Parker in 1984 - a fight that rarely gets a mention. I watched it in a TV-shop window (always the best way) and it was 12 rounds of pure slugging. Alex proved his undoubted potential that night but enjoyed the company of women too much to push on.
Shame.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:38
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:Alex Ramos had a great fight with Curtis Parker in 1984 - a fight that rarely gets a mention. I watched it in a TV-shop window (always the best way) and it was 12 rounds of pure slugging. Alex proved his undoubted potential that night but enjoyed the company of women too much to push on.
Shame.
Bennie, what're you doing up? what time is it where're at?

Its 2:39am here and I can't sleep, my cancer meds. won't let me.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:42
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Alex Ramos had a great fight with Curtis Parker in 1984 - a fight that rarely gets a mention. I watched it in a TV-shop window (always the best way) and it was 12 rounds of pure slugging. Alex proved his undoubted potential that night but enjoyed the company of women too much to push on.
Shame.
Bennie, what're you doing up? what time is it where're at?
At work, Frankie (posting on the internet is one of those 'perks'). Time here in England is around 10.30 in the morning. It's cold but bright and sunny.

Where are you?

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:44
by bennie
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Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:49
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Alex Ramos had a great fight with Curtis Parker in 1984 - a fight that rarely gets a mention. I watched it in a TV-shop window (always the best way) and it was 12 rounds of pure slugging. Alex proved his undoubted potential that night but enjoyed the company of women too much to push on.
Shame.
Bennie, what're you doing up? what time is it where're at?
At work, Frankie (posting on the internet is one of those 'perks'). Time here in England is around 10.30 in the morning. It's cold but bright and sunny.

Where are you?
Los Angeles.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:49
by bennie
Frankie: do you much about Adrian Arreola? He was one of around five boxing brothers and came over here and looked sensational pasting John Feeney in a 10-rounder in London in 1982. He was one of those fighters who took on the very best and could never hope to win every time. But he licked Lupe Pintor and gave Julio Cesar Chavez a 10-round war right before Chavez won the WBC super-featherweight title in 1984.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:56
by kikibalt
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Lionel Rose vs ChuCho Castillo

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:57
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:Frankie: do you much about Adrian Arreola? He was one of around five boxing brothers and came over here and looked sensational pasting John Feeney in a 10-rounder in London in 1982. He was one of those fighters who took on the very best and could never hope to win every time. But he licked Lupe Pintor and gave Julio Cesar Chavez a 10-round war right before Chavez won the WBC super-featherweight title in 1984.
I'll let you know what Adrian is doing now later in the day.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 06:58
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Frankie: do you much about Adrian Arreola? He was one of around five boxing brothers and came over here and looked sensational pasting John Feeney in a 10-rounder in London in 1982. He was one of those fighters who took on the very best and could never hope to win every time. But he licked Lupe Pintor and gave Julio Cesar Chavez a 10-round war right before Chavez won the WBC super-featherweight title in 1984.
I'll let you know what Adrian is doing now later in the day.
Cheers. :TU:

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 07:00
by kikibalt
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Lionel Rose and Gals

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 07:03
by bennie
Frankie, your photo library is truly amazing.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 07:05
by kikibalt
Rick; do you remember Felipe Torres?

By Randy De La O
Thoughts on Boxing and Boxers and Fights

Felipe Torres
Last Sunday, March 2nd, 2008, the following letter was posted on our message board on the Main Street Gym entry. It is from the brother of Felipe Torres, Epifanio Z. Torres. You may or may not remember but I wrote briefly about my experience sparring with him during the 1970's. They didn't make them any tougher than Felipe. Mr. Torres informs me that his brother Felipe passed away in 1993 under difficult circumstances. Our condolences to the entire Torres family.

My time with Felipe was brief, a couple of years at best. I never forgot him. How do you forget a man that taught you some of life's hardest lessons. He forced me to learn to stand my ground, taught me how to endure pain, forced me to learn how to slip a punch, and out of desperation taught me how to use the jab to keep an opponent off of me. More than anything he taught me humility, and to never judge a man by his appearance. I never made that mistake again and I have carried his memory and that lesson around with me my entire life. I have passed that lesson to my children.

I have no idea how much his family knows about his career or if they have an insight into the mind of a fighter, but I can tell them without even speaking to Felipe that he was proud of his days in the ring. Every fighter is. You carry that pride all of your days. It never leaves you, whether you had a couple of fights or a hundred. Whatever work you do after that, you are still a fighter. With that in mind you should know that when Felipe fought Roberto Duran on March 28, 1970 in Mexico City, he did not just fight another fighter, he fought a legend. How many men have passed that can make that statement? Just a handful, trust me. When Duran was young, and knocking out everyone that was put in front of him, Felipe fought him and went the distance. He went the distance with a legend!

I hope that someone who reads this will be able to provide a photo for the family, or perhaps a personal story. I'll be happy to print it. When Mr. Torres and family provide more about details about Felipe, I'll pass them on to you. Below is the letter by Epifanio Z. Torres

Rest in Peace, Felipe

Dear Sir,

My name is Epifanio Z. Torres. I live in El Centro, Ca. I am Felipe Torres' brother. My mom is right next to me right now, and I was translating to her the part of the article that you wrote about my brother Felipe. It almost brought tears to my mom and I. You probably don't know, but Felipe died in 1993. As you were saying, he was a tough little fighter, but like many of them, he died in very difficult conditions. I'd really appreciate in other information, pictures articles that you might have about him. My mom is 83 yrs. old and she'd probably love to see some of that stuff you and your readers might have about him. I have found, in some other websites, a partial boxing record of his. From what I remember, he fought with the best featherweights of his time: He fought Roberto Duran in Mexico City: Kuniaki Shibata in Japan (he lost split decision there which is equal to a victory), he also fought with Shozo Saijo in Hawaii and lost split decision; Ricardo Arredondo, was another one of his rivals, and I am not quite sure, but I think he fought a boxer named Cesar Sinda who died after their fight. I believe I saw his name on the WBC classifications as being the #7 featherweight of the world in the 1970's. A cousin of mine sent me this link, which I am planning to bookmark. I hope you, or some of your readers might have some more info. about my brother, or other links related to him.


Thank you,

Epifanio Z. Torres

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 07:09
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:Frankie, your photo library is truly amazing.
Bennie,

Glad you enjoy the photos.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 07:09
by kikibalt
I'm going to try and get some sleep.

Re: Terry Norris . . .

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 08:18
by bennie
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Speaking of Terry Norris . . .

In the early 90's, shortly after Michael Nunn left the management of the Goossen Family, Terry Norris contacted Joe Goossen, about training him. Norris wanted to make a change, and Goossen was asked if he would work him.

Goossen agreed to train Terry, and asked when would be moving up to L.A. where Joe would work with him at his gym in Van Nuys. Norris told Goossen he "couldn't move to Los Angeles for personal reasons, and expected Goossen to move his entire operation down to San Diego.

Joe was amazed, and told Norris he had two world champions and a gym full of prospects, he wasn't going anywhere. "What is keeping you from coming up here?", Goossen asked.

Norris reluctantly confessed to Goossen, "I can't leave town, I'm afraid my wife might cheat on me. She messes with my head when I'm outta town".

Goossen shook his head, and told Norris, he had a decision to make regarding his future in boxing. The Jr. Middleweight champ asked Goossen for his advice. "What should I do?, he asked.

Goossen's answer was short and simple, "Get rid of the bitch".

Norris stayed in San Diego, Goossen stayed in the San Fernando Valley. I wonder how long that marriage lasted?


-Rick
Hey Rickster,Some of my younger pals say they see Norris in these Disco bars in TJ where the teenagers hang out till dawn. They say he don't talk too good. I don't think you could put his marriage on "The Donna Reed Show"
I was never a great fan of Norris; I thought he was a dirty fighter. But it's sad to read this.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 08:33
by bennie
Felipe Torres took on Arredondo, Saijo, Shibata and Duran back-to-back. I wonder how he compared them.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 09:33
by kikibalt
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Lloyd Marshall

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 09:34
by kikibalt
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Carlos Ortiz

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 09:36
by kikibalt
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Turkey Thompson

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 09:39
by kikibalt
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The orginal Main St. Gym.....L.A., Calif.

Posted: 07 Mar 2008, 10:37
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:Frankie: do you much about Adrian Arreola? He was one of around five boxing brothers and came over here and looked sensational pasting John Feeney in a 10-rounder in London in 1982. He was one of those fighters who took on the very best and could never hope to win every time. But he licked Lupe Pintor and gave Julio Cesar Chavez a 10-round war right before Chavez won the WBC super-featherweight title in 1984.
Bennie,

Adrian Arreola works at a car dealership in East Los Angeles, my grandson, Rocky, has a friend that knows Adrian and he told Rocky that Adrian has a copy of his fight with J.C. Chavez and they, Rocky and his friend are going to try to get a copy, I seen that fight live, and I also seen some of his fights when he was fighting 4-6 round fights, I also seen Adrian and his brother Memo fight live in the amatuers a few time, my son Tony fought and beat Memo in the amatuers, Adrian was a good boxer, but had no punch, there was another brother who also fought but I can't remember his name.
They were all started in boxing by Al Stankie, who also had Paul Gonzales, and De La Hoyo at one time.