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bennie wrote:Do you guys remember Margaret Thatcher?


Shudder.

Hear hear Bennie

Well, if McBush loses tomorrow, the GOP has a ready made ticket for 2012.


Sarah Palin & Joe the Plumber....

The David Haye Project
By Mike Withers
Ringside Report

On November 15, David Haye will make his long awaited debut in the Heavyweight division. The battle tested Monte Barrett will be his first opponent. I am not going to get my hopes up, but you had better believe that myself, and the rest of the boxing world will be watching closely at his performance.

Last time the undisputed cruiserweight champion of the world moved up to heavyweight, Evander Holyfield managed to put together a tremendous career.

Now that Cruiserweight Champ David Haye is making that move, it is obvious that comparisons can be made. Much like Holyfield, David Haye has already built up a strong fan base before moving to heavyweight. He was born and raised in London, England. We all know just how supportive the English are of their fighters (I heard there is only one Ricky Hatton). In addition, many of his fights have been televised across the pond, which gives him exposure, something a lot of boxers don’t get anymore.

But perhaps most importantly, David Haye has proven himself in recent fights. Holyfield fought the toughest guys out in the cruiserweight division before moving on to heavyweight. I still feel that his bout with Dwight Muhammad Qawi was the greatest two sided beating that I have ever seen.

Although Haye hasn’t been involved in a classic bout like Holyfield-Qawi, he has not only beaten but also knocked out some of the best in his division. Jean-Marc Mormeck and Enzo Maccarinelli were his final two victims at cruiserweight. Both guys were supposed to be good tests for Haye, but they were both knocked out easily.

Those knockouts are what make Haye attractive. Right or wrong people don’t get excited anymore if they don’t see a knockout, which is part of the reason for the popularity of MMA. Haye can bring that kind of ending to a fight at any time. 21 of his 22 fights have ended in a knockout with him being on the wrong end of it one time against Carl Thompson.

If Haye were able to produce a knockout victory over Barrett, there would be some serious buzz surrounding him and his next fight early in 2009. Especially if he were to take on a marketable fighter like Sam Peter which would give fans a fight that was heavily marketed and then delivered and entertaining bout on fight night. It sounds simple enough but the heavyweight division has not had that in some time.

It is thought by many experts that the heavyweight division needs someone who is not so big that he can’t throw combinations. David Haye is that guy.

Remember the days when Holyfield would come into the ring at a lean mean 210 pounds and he could throw 50-60 punches a round with no problem at all. Wasn’t it exciting to see a man giving up 20-30 pounds in weight (50 pounds when he fought Foreman) demolishing his opponent by using speed and technique? Haye is our only chance of seeing something like that again any time soon.

Assuming that he has kept himself in good shape since his knockout victory over Maccarinelli back in March, Haye biggest asset at the heavyweight level is going to be his speed. Barrett has even said so himself that he is more concerned about the speed of Haye, because doesn’t think his power will translate in the division.

What has intrigued myself and many other boxing fans is that Barrett is not a slouch in the ring. Barrett is a proven opponent that has a very good chance at beating Haye. He knocked out Tye Fields in the first round of his last fight and has been in with the likes of; Owen Beck, Hasim Rahman, Nikolay Valuev, and even Wladimir Klitschko. Needless to say that Haye is not stepping in with a total chump. Thus meaning that his performance against Barrett would be a good barometer as to how good a fighter he will be at heavyweight.

Boxing always has a new prospect. Some guy that everyone wants you to keep an eye on. Sometimes they pan out, and sometimes they don’t. But David Haye is an important prospect. The fact that he is a heavyweight obviously makes him important simply because the division, and the sport for that matter, needs a marketable heavyweight. But Haye is ideal. He has a fan base; he has boxing skills and the power to go with it, he has the looks and the personality. All he needs to do is perform.

Fighters like Oscar De La Hoya, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, and the Marquez brothers have been carrying boxing for quite some time now. The sport needs a heavyweight to step up and become recognizable to the casual sports fan.

The Klitschko brothers strangle hold on the division is starting to hurt the sport. Wladimir Klitschko is the most boring champion the sport has to offer. As for his brother, he is injury prone. People are tired of seeing them. They will never be the mainstream stars in the United States that everybody wants to see.

Now with Vitali Klitschko completely dominating Sam Peter and crushing any hopes of Peter being the next big star, people are pinning their hopes on David Haye. He is off to a good start by taking on a proven heavyweight (Chris Arreola hasn’t done that yet).

Now if he can look good in victory over Barrett the heavyweight division will have another hope of ending the Klitschko reign. But if he loses, we are in for more of the same from the heavyweights, which usually consists of a steady stream of boos from restless fans.

RSR Congratulates Inductees into WBC Legends of Boxing Museum John Montes JR & Freddie Roach

By Dan Hernandez
Ringside Report


“You can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight”-- Chuck Bodak

My first official function as a Director of the WBC Legends of Boxing Museum was to aid in the induction of boxing greats: Carlos Avilas, Tony Rivera, Chuck Bodak, Freddie Roach, and John Montes.

They all received well-deserved Lifetime Achievement Awards. Actually, my main contribution was to add to the applause as each honoree made their acceptance speeches. It was really a group success, spearheaded by Chairman of the Board, Dr. Rudolph Tellez, Co-Chairmen, Jaime Ochoa and Vincent O. Johnson. Kudos also to: Angel Ochoa, Miguel Salazar, Daniel Morales, Scott Kilbride, Eric Casillas, and Adolfo Perez, Induction Chairman.

The event was held on the campus of American Sports University in San Bernardino, California, on Saturday October 11, 2008. Celebrities In attendance were former boxing champions and headliners, Danny “Little Red” Lopez, Paul Gonzalez, Frankie Duarte, and a host of others. Jo Ann Montes, John’s former wife was in the audience and was the focus of a Fund Raiser to aid in her fight with cancer. She is currently in the fourth stage of the disease and welcomes any participation in helping her obtain the best possible medical attention. Jo Ann was in great spirits in spite of her burden and carried a heroic presence throughout the affair.

Carlos Avilas was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina and attended his first live boxing match when he was 9 years old. His lifelong dream of becoming a blow-by-blow boxing narrator came true when he broadcast his first fight in March 1976 on Channel 40, one of the earliest Spanish stations in Los Angeles. He handled the Spanish announcing at the Los Angeles Forum from 1985 until 2000, and has broadcast fights for Galavision, Showtime, HBO, DirectTV and Multivision. He has produced his own radio shows on boxing and can now be seen narrating fights on Fox Sports en Espanol, which is seen throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and in Central and South America.

Carlos sat at the table I was at and commented that, “There are too many belts in boxing” and added, “I think the belt manufactures are making all the money.” He then expressed great pleasure on receiving this honor and was hopeful for the future of boxing.

Tony Rivera, a native of Los Angeles, California, has been one of the best trainers and cutmen in boxing for over 30 years. Among the championship, fighters Tony has been associated with have been Roberto “Hands of Stone” Duran, Alexis Arguello, Pipino Cuevas, Joan Guzman and for 16 years, Marco Antonio Barrera. Barrera is coming out of retirement and will be trying to win his fourth world title, lightweight, and will have Mr. Rivera in his corner. Tony accepted his award by humbly saying, “This is dedicated to my mother. She always told me to get out of boxing and get a real job.”

Freddie Roach, born March 5, 1960, in Dedham, Massachusetts, began his lifelong love of boxing at the age of six, winning the 50 pound division in the Jr. Olympics at eight years of age. Freddie became a professional fighter in 1978 when he was only 18 and continued until he was 27 after 53 contests. Upon retiring, Freddie turned his attention to training and now twenty years later, 17 world champions can attest to that being a good decision. He has trained such champions as Virgil Hill, Mike Tyson, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, and current pound-for pound king; Manny Pacquiao. Freddie was unable to attend, his focus being on the Pacquiao-Oscar De La Hoya showdown in December. Miguel Salazar from Team Pacquiao and Media Photography Director for the WBC Council of the Legends of Boxing Museum ably accepted for Roach.

The induction of Vasil “Chuck” Bodak who was born on June 3, 1916, in Gary, Indiana, was quite emotional. Having recently suffered a stroke and now in a wheel chair, Chuck was in good form and accepted this honor graciously. His entourage, clearly comprised of more than just associates were tearful in their praise of this great boxing personality. When referred to as a great trainer, Bodak, in the past has said, “Training is for animals, I’m a teacher.”

Chuck began fighting in the amateurs at 13, had a successful amateur career, and then joined the Army during WW2. Returning to Gary in 1946, Bodak began to teach others how to reach the edge of their potential in this demanding sport. Chuck’s legacy was 30 Golden Glove Champs produced in Gary before moving on to other endeavors. Bodak was in the corner with Muhammad Ali’s Golden Glove Team and accompanied Ali into the professional ranks. He also authored a book, titled, “Boxing Basics,” which covered all the aspects of training, fundamentals, boxing techniques, and ring psychology. Among the champions that Chuck has been associated with are: Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez, Evander Holyfield and Azumah Nelson.

One of Bodak’s supporters and admirers credited him with helping to form his philosophy of life, he said: “When I first started boxing, Chuck told me that you can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight, and I’ve led my life that way.” He then embraced Bodak.

John Montes had a professional boxing record of 43-6, 31 KO’s. John had one the most devastating body punches in memory and a left hook that left many an opponent crumbled on the canvass. John fought such boxing luminaries as Hector Camacho, Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Freddie Pendleton, Pernell Whitaker, Sammy Fuentes, and Hilmer Kenty. A virtual who’ who of the best fighters of that time. His last boxing match was a close decision loss to Paul Vaden in a title elimination bout. John won the WBC Intercontinental Junior Welterweight Championship in 1987.

John spoke kindly of his fellow boxers, the WBC, and his enduring fan base for this special acknowledgement of his memorable career. John also thanked his wife Melinda, for her support and coordination of the Fund Raising activities on behalf of Jo Ann, his former spouse.

raylawpc wrote:Could be, Bennie. Sadly, one group of Americans loses all common sense during the American presidential election season. We call that group "Democrats" . . .

And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President"

kikibalt wrote:RSR Congratulates Inductees into WBC Legends of Boxing Museum John Montes JR & Freddie Roach

By Dan Hernandez
Ringside Report


“You can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight”-- Chuck Bodak

My first official function as a Director of the WBC Legends of Boxing Museum was to aid in the induction of boxing greats: Carlos Avilas, Tony Rivera, Chuck Bodak, Freddie Roach, and John Montes.

They all received well-deserved Lifetime Achievement Awards. Actually, my main contribution was to add to the applause as each honoree made their acceptance speeches. It was really a group success, spearheaded by Chairman of the Board, Dr. Rudolph Tellez, Co-Chairmen, Jaime Ochoa and Vincent O. Johnson. Kudos also to: Angel Ochoa, Miguel Salazar, Daniel Morales, Scott Kilbride, Eric Casillas, and Adolfo Perez, Induction Chairman.

The event was held on the campus of American Sports University in San Bernardino, California, on Saturday October 11, 2008. Celebrities In attendance were former boxing champions and headliners, Danny “Little Red” Lopez, Paul Gonzalez, Frankie Duarte, and a host of others. Jo Ann Montes, John’s former wife was in the audience and was the focus of a Fund Raiser to aid in her fight with cancer. She is currently in the fourth stage of the disease and welcomes any participation in helping her obtain the best possible medical attention. Jo Ann was in great spirits in spite of her burden and carried a heroic presence throughout the affair.

Carlos Avilas was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina and attended his first live boxing match when he was 9 years old. His lifelong dream of becoming a blow-by-blow boxing narrator came true when he broadcast his first fight in March 1976 on Channel 40, one of the earliest Spanish stations in Los Angeles. He handled the Spanish announcing at the Los Angeles Forum from 1985 until 2000, and has broadcast fights for Galavision, Showtime, HBO, DirectTV and Multivision. He has produced his own radio shows on boxing and can now be seen narrating fights on Fox Sports en Espanol, which is seen throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and in Central and South America.

Carlos sat at the table I was at and commented that, “There are too many belts in boxing” and added, “I think the belt manufactures are making all the money.” He then expressed great pleasure on receiving this honor and was hopeful for the future of boxing.

Tony Rivera, a native of Los Angeles, California, has been one of the best trainers and cutmen in boxing for over 30 years. Among the championship, fighters Tony has been associated with have been Roberto “Hands of Stone” Duran, Alexis Arguello, Pipino Cuevas, Joan Guzman and for 16 years, Marco Antonio Barrera. Barrera is coming out of retirement and will be trying to win his fourth world title, lightweight, and will have Mr. Rivera in his corner. Tony accepted his award by humbly saying, “This is dedicated to my mother. She always told me to get out of boxing and get a real job.”

Freddie Roach, born March 5, 1960, in Dedham, Massachusetts, began his lifelong love of boxing at the age of six, winning the 50 pound division in the Jr. Olympics at eight years of age. Freddie became a professional fighter in 1978 when he was only 18 and continued until he was 27 after 53 contests. Upon retiring, Freddie turned his attention to training and now twenty years later, 17 world champions can attest to that being a good decision. He has trained such champions as Virgil Hill, Mike Tyson, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, and current pound-for pound king; Manny Pacquiao. Freddie was unable to attend, his focus being on the Pacquiao-Oscar De La Hoya showdown in December. Miguel Salazar from Team Pacquiao and Media Photography Director for the WBC Council of the Legends of Boxing Museum ably accepted for Roach.

The induction of Vasil “Chuck” Bodak who was born on June 3, 1916, in Gary, Indiana, was quite emotional. Having recently suffered a stroke and now in a wheel chair, Chuck was in good form and accepted this honor graciously. His entourage, clearly comprised of more than just associates were tearful in their praise of this great boxing personality. When referred to as a great trainer, Bodak, in the past has said, “Training is for animals, I’m a teacher.”

Chuck began fighting in the amateurs at 13, had a successful amateur career, and then joined the Army during WW2. Returning to Gary in 1946, Bodak began to teach others how to reach the edge of their potential in this demanding sport. Chuck’s legacy was 30 Golden Glove Champs produced in Gary before moving on to other endeavors. Bodak was in the corner with Muhammad Ali’s Golden Glove Team and accompanied Ali into the professional ranks. He also authored a book, titled, “Boxing Basics,” which covered all the aspects of training, fundamentals, boxing techniques, and ring psychology. Among the champions that Chuck has been associated with are: Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez, Evander Holyfield and Azumah Nelson.

One of Bodak’s supporters and admirers credited him with helping to form his philosophy of life, he said: “When I first started boxing, Chuck told me that you can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight, and I’ve led my life that way.” He then embraced Bodak.

John Montes had a professional boxing record of 43-6, 31 KO’s. John had one the most devastating body punches in memory and a left hook that left many an opponent crumbled on the canvass. John fought such boxing luminaries as Hector Camacho, Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Freddie Pendleton, Pernell Whitaker, Sammy Fuentes, and Hilmer Kenty. A virtual who’ who of the best fighters of that time. His last boxing match was a close decision loss to Paul Vaden in a title elimination bout. John won the WBC Intercontinental Junior Welterweight Championship in 1987.

John spoke kindly of his fellow boxers, the WBC, and his enduring fan base for this special acknowledgement of his memorable career. John also thanked his wife Melinda, for her support and coordination of the Fund Raising activities on behalf of Jo Ann, his former spouse.

Who the Hell is "Rodolfo Rodriguez"???? That's "El Gato", our Rodolfo Gonzalez! C'mon, are the boxing journalists so dense as to not even know the greatest consecutive KO artist in world championship history is not a "Rodriguez". That's like calling Roy Jones, "Roy Smith". And don't blame it on some editor, the writer needs to be schooled.

-Rick Farris

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:RSR Congratulates Inductees into WBC Legends of Boxing Museum John Montes JR & Freddie Roach

By Dan Hernandez
Ringside Report


“You can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight”-- Chuck Bodak

My first official function as a Director of the WBC Legends of Boxing Museum was to aid in the induction of boxing greats: Carlos Avilas, Tony Rivera, Chuck Bodak, Freddie Roach, and John Montes.

They all received well-deserved Lifetime Achievement Awards. Actually, my main contribution was to add to the applause as each honoree made their acceptance speeches. It was really a group success, spearheaded by Chairman of the Board, Dr. Rudolph Tellez, Co-Chairmen, Jaime Ochoa and Vincent O. Johnson. Kudos also to: Angel Ochoa, Miguel Salazar, Daniel Morales, Scott Kilbride, Eric Casillas, and Adolfo Perez, Induction Chairman.

The event was held on the campus of American Sports University in San Bernardino, California, on Saturday October 11, 2008. Celebrities In attendance were former boxing champions and headliners, Danny “Little Red” Lopez, Paul Gonzalez, Frankie Duarte, and a host of others. Jo Ann Montes, John’s former wife was in the audience and was the focus of a Fund Raiser to aid in her fight with cancer. She is currently in the fourth stage of the disease and welcomes any participation in helping her obtain the best possible medical attention. Jo Ann was in great spirits in spite of her burden and carried a heroic presence throughout the affair.

Carlos Avilas was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina and attended his first live boxing match when he was 9 years old. His lifelong dream of becoming a blow-by-blow boxing narrator came true when he broadcast his first fight in March 1976 on Channel 40, one of the earliest Spanish stations in Los Angeles. He handled the Spanish announcing at the Los Angeles Forum from 1985 until 2000, and has broadcast fights for Galavision, Showtime, HBO, DirectTV and Multivision. He has produced his own radio shows on boxing and can now be seen narrating fights on Fox Sports en Espanol, which is seen throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and in Central and South America.

Carlos sat at the table I was at and commented that, “There are too many belts in boxing” and added, “I think the belt manufactures are making all the money.” He then expressed great pleasure on receiving this honor and was hopeful for the future of boxing.

Tony Rivera, a native of Los Angeles, California, has been one of the best trainers and cutmen in boxing for over 30 years. Among the championship, fighters Tony has been associated with have been Roberto “Hands of Stone” Duran, Alexis Arguello, Pipino Cuevas, Joan Guzman and for 16 years, Marco Antonio Barrera. Barrera is coming out of retirement and will be trying to win his fourth world title, lightweight, and will have Mr. Rivera in his corner. Tony accepted his award by humbly saying, “This is dedicated to my mother. She always told me to get out of boxing and get a real job.”

Freddie Roach, born March 5, 1960, in Dedham, Massachusetts, began his lifelong love of boxing at the age of six, winning the 50 pound division in the Jr. Olympics at eight years of age. Freddie became a professional fighter in 1978 when he was only 18 and continued until he was 27 after 53 contests. Upon retiring, Freddie turned his attention to training and now twenty years later, 17 world champions can attest to that being a good decision. He has trained such champions as Virgil Hill, Mike Tyson, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, and current pound-for pound king; Manny Pacquiao. Freddie was unable to attend, his focus being on the Pacquiao-Oscar De La Hoya showdown in December. Miguel Salazar from Team Pacquiao and Media Photography Director for the WBC Council of the Legends of Boxing Museum ably accepted for Roach.

The induction of Vasil “Chuck” Bodak who was born on June 3, 1916, in Gary, Indiana, was quite emotional. Having recently suffered a stroke and now in a wheel chair, Chuck was in good form and accepted this honor graciously. His entourage, clearly comprised of more than just associates were tearful in their praise of this great boxing personality. When referred to as a great trainer, Bodak, in the past has said, “Training is for animals, I’m a teacher.”

Chuck began fighting in the amateurs at 13, had a successful amateur career, and then joined the Army during WW2. Returning to Gary in 1946, Bodak began to teach others how to reach the edge of their potential in this demanding sport. Chuck’s legacy was 30 Golden Glove Champs produced in Gary before moving on to other endeavors. Bodak was in the corner with Muhammad Ali’s Golden Glove Team and accompanied Ali into the professional ranks. He also authored a book, titled, “Boxing Basics,” which covered all the aspects of training, fundamentals, boxing techniques, and ring psychology. Among the champions that Chuck has been associated with are: Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez, Evander Holyfield and Azumah Nelson.

One of Bodak’s supporters and admirers credited him with helping to form his philosophy of life, he said: “When I first started boxing, Chuck told me that you can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight, and I’ve led my life that way.” He then embraced Bodak.

John Montes had a professional boxing record of 43-6, 31 KO’s. John had one the most devastating body punches in memory and a left hook that left many an opponent crumbled on the canvass. John fought such boxing luminaries as Hector Camacho, Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Freddie Pendleton, Pernell Whitaker, Sammy Fuentes, and Hilmer Kenty. A virtual who’ who of the best fighters of that time. His last boxing match was a close decision loss to Paul Vaden in a title elimination bout. John won the WBC Intercontinental Junior Welterweight Championship in 1987.

John spoke kindly of his fellow boxers, the WBC, and his enduring fan base for this special acknowledgement of his memorable career. John also thanked his wife Melinda, for her support and coordination of the Fund Raising activities on behalf of Jo Ann, his former spouse.

Who the Hell is "Rodolfo Rodriguez"???? That's "El Gato", our Rodolfo Gonzalez! C'mon, are the boxing journalists so dense as to not even know the greatest consecutive KO artist in world championship history is not a "Rodriguez". That's like calling Roy Jones, "Roy Smith". And don't blame it on some editor, the writer needs to be schooled.

-Rick Farris

Rick, I called Dan Hernandez and he is going to fix it, Dan is a great guy, but he was never an inside boxing guy.

Rick Farris wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Could be, Bennie. Sadly, one group of Americans loses all common sense during the American presidential election season. We call that group "Democrats" . . .

And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President"

I hope you are right, Rick....

Rick, Tom and I had lots of fun this afternoon with this presidential election, But I have to tell you, if I'm anything, I am a political junkie.

kikibalt wrote:

A pic of the Brown Bomber will always get my attention, however, on the above page, it's the guy in the upper right corner, Hollywood Legion promoter Charley MacDonald, whose tales I'd like to hear. Hap Navarro would be a part of many of those stories.

-Rick Farris

EL PRESIDENTE

In 1982 Lazaro Cardenas's son Cuahtemoc ran for President of Mexico. He ran as a socialist. His father was in the PRI ,but Lazaro Cardenas was a socialist. Nationlized Mexico's oil. Kicked out the Americans and the British. This was in 1936 . The oil companies went to FDR. He said it was their oil,I have bigger fish to fry with the Depression. Took some balls for Cardenas to to that. Cardenas ,along with Benito Juarez,were Mexico's greatest Presidents. The Mexican people know that.

During the election I was in my wife's hometown,Jiquilpan,Michoacan. The home of Lazaro Cardenas. His son,Cuahtemoc was born in Jiquilpan. He was running against the PRI candidate,Roberto De La Madrid. The PRI had never lost an election since the Revolution ended and Alvaro Obregon became President. Mexico's ecomomy was suffering in 1982. The money was being deflated on a daily basis. Mexicans were risking crossing into the U.S to find better jobs. Now that Cuahtemoc was running there was renewed hope for the Mexican people.

I remember Jiquilpan. It was a lock. Everyone in Jiquilpan was very anxious for the election. They were "giddy" with feelings. My wife's uncle had a poster of Cardenas in his back yard.
"Rogelio,heez going to ween."
My wife's uncle Lucio,couldn't control himself.
"Rogelio,heez weel change Mexico. Throw out the bansits."
Lucio was a lanky man with calloused hands. He had worked in the fields,drove big rigs,had a ranch,and now he sold hot cakes in the plaza in the afternoon. It was time for him to slow down. Before Lucio would work his stand,he would sit on the curb across the plaza and watch his 14 year old daughter,Iliana,sell the hot cakes. She would work a few hours after school and then her father would take over.
"Rogelio. Thee time comes for better life for my keeds. My daughter no work hard like me. Cardenas weel change everything. "
Lucio was very protective of Iliana. She was very pretty. He kept an eye on the boys who went up to that stand when she was working it.

The election was an insult. They said Cardenas lost by 7 tenths of a percentage point. They said he didn't even win his state of Michoacan. There were riots and protests. Some "Presidencias"(City Halls) were stormed. Many civilians died at the hands of the soldiers. This news didn't make the U.S. papers. It was barely mentioned in the Mexican papers.

When it was over,I went to the plaza to talk to Lucio about what had happened. I didn't see him sitting on the curb across the plaza as he usually did keeping an eye on his daughter.

dagosd2000 wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:
THE STROKE
John Kennedy's old man pulled a lot of strings to get his son in the Oval Office. He got the union vote,including Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters to vote Democratic. The Mob would get their usual pass with J. Edgar as head of the FBI. The oil companies would still keep 24% of their profits from being taxed by the government. Allen Dulles would be able to implement the Cuban refugee invasion of Cuba. The military would be sending more "advisors" to Vietnam. Lyndon Johnson would be the Vice Presidential running mate. All the above directed by "'Ol Joe Kennedy. The "Doc" Kearns of Presidential dads.

Then December,1961. Joe Kennedy has a stroke. He's virtually a vegetable. All the promises would now be broken. No more tax breaks for the oil companies. Allen Dulles would be fired as the chief of the CIA. Bobby Kennedy would go after the Mob and Jimmy Hoffa. Hoover was going to be replaced. Advisors would be pulled out of Nam. And last but not least,LBJ would be kicked off the ticket in '64. He,along with Bobby Baker,be charged with criminal acts. Yeah,John and Bobby wanted to do it their way now.

If Old Man Kennedy wouldn't have had the stroke,his son wouldn't have been shot to death in Dallas. Oh,that shooting. The lone nut. Is there anyone out there that would like to buy prime real estate property on the moon from me?

I'm not interested in making a real estate purchase from you, but I do believe that all the available evidence points to Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone gunman who assassinated JFK.

Tom
Just two things and you can have the last say. We could have a thread on this that could last for years.
1. All the doctors at Parkland Hospital where JFK
was taken in Dallas said the wound to JFK's head came from the front. Oswald was supposedly behind JFK in the Texas Book Depository Building. I have their statements on tape from Nigel Turner's documentary,"The Men Who Killed Kennedy." These doctors were never were asked to testify before the Warren Commision.

2. The Zapruder film which wasn't released to the American public for 12 years, clearly shows Kennedy being shot from some guy to the side and to the front of him.Evidence of his head exploding apart from the the front side and then jerking back. Probably the shot came from the Grassy Knoll.`

Hi Roger:

1.a. The Parkland doctors did testify before the Warren Commission; their testimony is found in volumes 3 and 6 of the testimony before the Warren Commission. The doctors also testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

b. I have not seen the Turner documentary. But I have not read any sworn testimony from these doctors in which they state definitively whether President Kennedy was shot from the rear or the front. Indeed, the Parkland doctors never attempted to make any determination regarding the direction of the shots. Dr. Carrico testified to the Warren Commission that “The time to do this was not available. The examination was to try to establish what life-threatening situations were present and to correct these.” Warren Commission Testimony, volume 6, p. 5. Also, in his book, Four Days in November: The Original Coverage of the John F. Kennedy Assassination by the Staff of the New York Times, Robert Semple quotes Tom Wicker, who covered the press conference when the Parkland doctors informed the media of Kennedy’s death, that the Drs. “gave us copious details, particularly as to the efforts they had made to resuscitate the president. They were less explicit about the wounds, explaining that the body had been in their hands only a short time and they had little time to examine the wounds closely.” Page 595 (emphasis mine.)

2.a. The Zapruder film wasn’t released to the American public for 12 years because Life Magazine owned it, and wouldn’t release it. No conspiracy, no cover-up - just greed.

b. In 1976, CBS asked Itek Corporation, a Massachusetts photo optics company, to study the original Zapruder film using advanced photo analysis techniques. Itek actually proved that, before the president’s head snap to the rear, his “head [went] forward approximately 2.3 inches . . .” from the impact of the bullet (italics mine). The report showed that Kennedy’s head was struck at frames 312-313 and went forward, then visibly snapped back at frames 314 through 321. “John Kennedy Assassination Film Analysis,” Itek Corporation, May 2, 1976, pp.52, 64, 66, 78, 80–81. So, Kennedy’s head went forward slightly at impact, and then snapped back. Why did his head snap back? The House Select Committee on Assassinations, based on testimony from Larry Sturdiven, a research wound scientist at the Biophysics Laboratory at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland, concluded that the rearward snap was caused by a neuromuscular reaction that caused the president’s back muscles to tighten, which in turn pulled his head back. House Select Committee on Assassinations Report, p.44. The testimony is in volume one of the published testimony, pages 414-417. Apart from this, all of the autopsy evidence showed that the shots came from behind the president.

Regarding the rearward head snap, I think it’s a matter of physics that the snap wasn’t caused by the force of the bullet. The bullet weighed maybe ½ ounce – probably less. Yet, a human head weighs 12 to 14 pounds. How is something that only weighs ½ ounce going to move something as large as the president’s head in such a drastic fashion? It going to move the head only very slightly – like the initial movement forward documented by Itek, not the rearward snap. It a matter of physics. Also, how does a front shot explain the amount of blood, skull pieces and brain matter pushed forward? Both Secret Service agent Kellerman and Mrs. Connelly testified they were hit by blood and brain matter, and they were seated in front of the president.

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Could be, Bennie. Sadly, one group of Americans loses all common sense during the American presidential election season. We call that group "Democrats" . . .

And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President"

I hope you are right, Rick....

Yeah, well, if that happens, I'm going to petition for political asylum when I'm over in the New Zealand later this month!

And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President" [/quote]

I hope you are right, Rick.... [/quote]

Yeah, well, if that happens, I'm going to petition for political asylum when I'm over in the New Zealand later this month! [/quote]
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Tom . . . Monica and I are planning a trip to Australia next year, to visit friends. Maybe we can hook-up? New Zealand is right next door.

-Rick

Rick Farris wrote:And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President"

I hope you are right, Rick.... [/quote]

Yeah, well, if that happens, I'm going to petition for political asylum when I'm over in the New Zealand later this month! [/quote]
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Tom . . . Monica and I are planning a trip to Australia next year, to visit friends. Maybe we can hook-up? New Zealand is right next door.

-Rick[/quote]

Yeah! Give me a call or drop me an e-mail. I'm planning to live in Timaru - Old Fitz' hometown!!

kikibalt wrote:

I'm going to do a little snooping around because the address given for Dell Wisenor on this program is literally walking distance from where I am sitting right now in my house. He must have been using his home address for his business because this is pretty much all homes. Of course that program is from fifty years ago but what if this old guy is sitting down there and wanting to talk boxing!
Bobbin & Weavin

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Could be, Bennie. Sadly, one group of Americans loses all common sense during the American presidential election season. We call that group "Democrats" . . .

And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President"

I hope you are right, Rick....

I hope so too; it will be historical but I believe only the begining of historical moments for Mr. Obama!
Bobbin & Weavin

Boxingnut wrote:

bennie wrote:Do you guys remember Margaret Thatcher?


Shudder.

Hear hear Bennie

Thatcher is 'dead' popular in Liverpool, eh Rob? She wouldn't last five minutes there.
Thatcher is as nutty as a fruitcake these days.

kikibalt wrote:RSR Congratulates Inductees into WBC Legends of Boxing Museum John Montes JR & Freddie Roach

By Dan Hernandez
Ringside Report


“You can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight”-- Chuck Bodak

My first official function as a Director of the WBC Legends of Boxing Museum was to aid in the induction of boxing greats: Carlos Avilas, Tony Rivera, Chuck Bodak, Freddie Roach, and John Montes.

They all received well-deserved Lifetime Achievement Awards. Actually, my main contribution was to add to the applause as each honoree made their acceptance speeches. It was really a group success, spearheaded by Chairman of the Board, Dr. Rudolph Tellez, Co-Chairmen, Jaime Ochoa and Vincent O. Johnson. Kudos also to: Angel Ochoa, Miguel Salazar, Daniel Morales, Scott Kilbride, Eric Casillas, and Adolfo Perez, Induction Chairman.

The event was held on the campus of American Sports University in San Bernardino, California, on Saturday October 11, 2008. Celebrities In attendance were former boxing champions and headliners, Danny “Little Red” Lopez, Paul Gonzalez, Frankie Duarte, and a host of others. Jo Ann Montes, John’s former wife was in the audience and was the focus of a Fund Raiser to aid in her fight with cancer. She is currently in the fourth stage of the disease and welcomes any participation in helping her obtain the best possible medical attention. Jo Ann was in great spirits in spite of her burden and carried a heroic presence throughout the affair.

Carlos Avilas was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina and attended his first live boxing match when he was 9 years old. His lifelong dream of becoming a blow-by-blow boxing narrator came true when he broadcast his first fight in March 1976 on Channel 40, one of the earliest Spanish stations in Los Angeles. He handled the Spanish announcing at the Los Angeles Forum from 1985 until 2000, and has broadcast fights for Galavision, Showtime, HBO, DirectTV and Multivision. He has produced his own radio shows on boxing and can now be seen narrating fights on Fox Sports en Espanol, which is seen throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, Mexico, and in Central and South America.

Carlos sat at the table I was at and commented that, “There are too many belts in boxing” and added, “I think the belt manufactures are making all the money.” He then expressed great pleasure on receiving this honor and was hopeful for the future of boxing.

Tony Rivera, a native of Los Angeles, California, has been one of the best trainers and cutmen in boxing for over 30 years. Among the championship, fighters Tony has been associated with have been Roberto “Hands of Stone” Duran, Alexis Arguello, Pipino Cuevas, Joan Guzman and for 16 years, Marco Antonio Barrera. Barrera is coming out of retirement and will be trying to win his fourth world title, lightweight, and will have Mr. Rivera in his corner. Tony accepted his award by humbly saying, “This is dedicated to my mother. She always told me to get out of boxing and get a real job.”

Freddie Roach, born March 5, 1960, in Dedham, Massachusetts, began his lifelong love of boxing at the age of six, winning the 50 pound division in the Jr. Olympics at eight years of age. Freddie became a professional fighter in 1978 when he was only 18 and continued until he was 27 after 53 contests. Upon retiring, Freddie turned his attention to training and now twenty years later, 17 world champions can attest to that being a good decision. He has trained such champions as Virgil Hill, Mike Tyson, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, and current pound-for pound king; Manny Pacquiao. Freddie was unable to attend, his focus being on the Pacquiao-Oscar De La Hoya showdown in December. Miguel Salazar from Team Pacquiao and Media Photography Director for the WBC Council of the Legends of Boxing Museum ably accepted for Roach.

The induction of Vasil “Chuck” Bodak who was born on June 3, 1916, in Gary, Indiana, was quite emotional. Having recently suffered a stroke and now in a wheel chair, Chuck was in good form and accepted this honor graciously. His entourage, clearly comprised of more than just associates were tearful in their praise of this great boxing personality. When referred to as a great trainer, Bodak, in the past has said, “Training is for animals, I’m a teacher.”

Chuck began fighting in the amateurs at 13, had a successful amateur career, and then joined the Army during WW2. Returning to Gary in 1946, Bodak began to teach others how to reach the edge of their potential in this demanding sport. Chuck’s legacy was 30 Golden Glove Champs produced in Gary before moving on to other endeavors. Bodak was in the corner with Muhammad Ali’s Golden Glove Team and accompanied Ali into the professional ranks. He also authored a book, titled, “Boxing Basics,” which covered all the aspects of training, fundamentals, boxing techniques, and ring psychology. Among the champions that Chuck has been associated with are: Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez, Evander Holyfield and Azumah Nelson.

One of Bodak’s supporters and admirers credited him with helping to form his philosophy of life, he said: “When I first started boxing, Chuck told me that you can get knocked down in the first round, you can get knocked down in the second round, and you can still get up and win the fight, and I’ve led my life that way.” He then embraced Bodak.

John Montes had a professional boxing record of 43-6, 31 KO’s. John had one the most devastating body punches in memory and a left hook that left many an opponent crumbled on the canvass. John fought such boxing luminaries as Hector Camacho, Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Freddie Pendleton, Pernell Whitaker, Sammy Fuentes, and Hilmer Kenty. A virtual who’ who of the best fighters of that time. His last boxing match was a close decision loss to Paul Vaden in a title elimination bout. John won the WBC Intercontinental Junior Welterweight Championship in 1987.

John spoke kindly of his fellow boxers, the WBC, and his enduring fan base for this special acknowledgement of his memorable career. John also thanked his wife Melinda, for her support and coordination of the Fund Raising activities on behalf of Jo Ann, his former spouse.

Chuck's appearance is quite shocking. I can remember him being a 'big' guy.

raylawpc wrote:
And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President"

I hope you are right, Rick....

Yeah, well, if that happens, I'm going to petition for political asylum when I'm over in the New Zealand later this month!

Tom, you don't have to go all the way to New Zealand to live, I'm sure that Diego can set you up with one of his in-laws in Tijuana, that way Diego can take you to the Boom Boom club....

Photo & caption courtesy of Bruce Smith


Picture from the Northern California Veteran Boxers Association annual awards banquet from last Saturday night. This year they honored Greg Haugen who you will also see at the World Boxing Hall of Fame inductions. Greg was entertaining and energetic, it was fun to have him there. The highlight of the night was when he was being introduced and the MC told the story about Haugen calling Julio Cesar Chavez's opponents, "Tijuana taxi cab drivers" and Greg shouted, "but they were tough taxi drivers", he brought the house down. Shown with Greg in the picture is Andy Nance who had a pretty fair career here in Northern California in the mid-eighties going 24-1-2 as a light-welter.
Bobbin & Weavin

kikibalt wrote:Photo & caption courtesy of Bruce Smith


Picture from the Northern California Veteran Boxers Association annual awards banquet from last Saturday night. This year they honored Greg Haugen who you will also see at the World Boxing Hall of Fame inductions. Greg was entertaining and energetic, it was fun to have him there. The highlight of the night was when he was being introduced and the MC told the story about Haugen calling Julio Cesar Chavez's opponents, "Tijuana taxi cab drivers" and Greg shouted, "but they were tough taxi drivers", he brought the house down. Shown with Greg in the picture is Andy Nance who had a pretty fair career here in Northern California in the mid-eighties going 24-1-2 as a light-welter.
Bobbin & Weavin

Jesus! The Mutt looks like he's still smoking the funny stuff. This guy got paid millions but lost it all to his wife (surprise, surprise) and is back working in construction. I always liked Haugen, who was tough and cute - you have to like anyone who dishes out a 15-round pasting to Vinny Paz.

Talking of alarming pics, check out the fake laugh of Lewis and the giant spider about to pounce on Briggs: