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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 07:34
by kikibalt
I bet that Rick can tell us some stories about Conrad

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Robert Conrad recalls his 'Wild Wild West' pal, and his favorite villains, as the series becomes a DVD set.

By Susan King

In the mid-1960s, there seemed to be plenty of guys named James running around blowing things up, foiling dastardly plans and making the planet -- and galaxy -- a safer place for Western-style democracies. And they all achieved this with a distinctive style.

British secret agent James Bond did it shaken, not stirred. Starship Capt. James T. Kirk did it with his middle initial. And U.S. Secret Service agent James West did it in very, very tight pants.

Fans of “The Wild Wild West," which originally aired on CBS from 1965-69, can revisit the fashion and the adventures of West with today's release of a 27-disc set that includes the entire series plus two made-for-television movies.

For Robert Conrad, who famously played West, the rugged federal agent charged with guarding President Ulysses S. Grant, it's a case of better late than never. Even though single-season sets are already out on DVD, the 73-year-old Thousand Oaks resident has seen only a handful. He said he was so busy shooting his series that he never had a chance to watch.

"I never really remembered them," said Conrad. "It's campy. It's fun."

Along with "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.," and "Get Smart," "The Wild West West" capitalized on the James Bond craze of the 1960s. In fact, when the show was originally pitched to the networks, it was described as "James Bond on horseback."

Like Bond, West -- and his adversaries -- had a cache of secret gadgets that audiences loved. There were guns concealed in his shoes and sleeves, exploding billiard tables, not to mention sci-fi torpedoes disguised as dragons with radio homing devices. And like Bond, West was a bachelor who rarely seemed far from a beautiful woman. Unlike Bond, West enjoyed male companionship as well with his sidekick Artemus Gordon (Ross Martin), a master of technology and disguises.

Just as Robert Vaughn and David McCallum had perfect chemistry on "U.N.C.L.E.," so did Conrad and Martin. The two had never met before the show.

"I knew he was quadruple bilingual and had a law degree," said Conrad. "I got to know him on the show. We had fun."

The series was hurt toward the last season when Martin suffered a heart attack and had to take a sabbatical. Several were brought in to be West's foil, but the chemistry "wasn't the same," said Conrad.

Another hallmark of the show was its villains, none more infamous than the brilliant, demonic Miguelito Loveless -- played by Michael Dunn, who was less than 4 feet tall.

"He stayed at my house when he came to town," said Conrad. "He came from New York and we were personal friends. On Saturday we had a touch football game. We played different studios and he was the referee. He refereed on a golf cart."

Dunn even had a drink named after him at a watering hole across the street from the studio. "It was real powerful drink," said Conrad. "He was real proud of it."

Conrad also remembered Boris Karloff guest-starring. "He was an icon. I watched him when I was a little boy and here he was playing one of the bad guys."

The show also attracted Peter Lawford and Sammy Davis Jr. -- "nobody turned down the show because they all liked it," added Conrad.

Bad ratings did not ultimately do in the show. Rather, it was a pledge by CBS' president to Congress to reduce violence on television.

These days, Conrad is officially retired from acting.

"For 20 years I made movies for television," said the actor, who is the father of eight. "I had my dog, my children, my grandchildren and friends of mine in the movies."

And that's not counting his TV series. "I had 'Hawaiian Eye' when I was a young man. I did 'West' when I was in my 30s and in my 40s, and I did 'The Black Sheep Squadron.' So what else was there?"

For the last year, he has had his own radio show, which airs on CRN Digital Talk Radio at 4 p.m. Thursdays.

"It's entertainment," he said. "The show is a blast."

Susan King is a Times staff writer.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 08:22
by bennie
Was Conrad in an episode of Columbo?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 08:47
by bollox
"aaaah ders just one more ting dats been baaardering me"

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 08:48
by kikibalt
Hopkins and an even tougher fighter
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

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Bernard Hopkins took a memorable drive with 18-year-old Shaun Negler in his $150,000 Bentley.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

You won’t find Shaun Negler’s name in the FightFax database, the official record-keeping service of professional boxing.

There are no tapes of any of his memorable wins or stories of epic triumphs left behind. That’s because they don’t exist. He was robbed of a career in the sport he loved.

But none other than Bernard Hopkins, one of the greatest fighters of this or any generation, will tell you that he hasn’t met a tougher, or more courageous, fighter than Shaun Negler.

The improbable friendship between the long-time middleweight champion and the 18-year-old who worshipped him officially ended at 12:15 p.m. EDT on Oct. 23, 2008, when Negler could fight no more and succumbed to a 2½ year battle with cancer.

But Hopkins, who first met Negler in 2006 when he learned that the then-16-year-old had a deadly form of cancer, isn’t ready to accept that his friend is gone.

“This kid’s soul is still with us,” said Hopkins, who served as a pall bearer at Negler’s funeral in Philadelphia on Oct. 29. “His spirit lives inside of me and inside a lot of the people I met over these last couple of years.”

Negler’s mother, Renee, remembered sitting in a doctor’s office. It seemed as if she were watching the world on a black-and-white television. Everything seemed so dark.

Several weeks earlier, in a Philadelphia gym in May 2006, her youngest son injured his left ankle as he was preparing for his first fight.

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Shaun Negler greatly touched the life of Bernard Hopkins. “He was a winner his whole life and I think he’s still a winner,” Hopkins said.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

The injury didn’t respond to treatment. An MRI was done and on May 30, Shaun and his parents were sitting in a doctor’s office, waiting to hear why this ankle was taking so long to heal.

“I just remember it being such a dark room and now, looking back on it, it seems so surreal,” said Renee Negler, a 41-year-old loan manager. “There were two doctors there and they came in and seemed to have very solemn looks on their faces. I was looking at Shaunie and he was looking at me. It was the doctors, my husband and Shaunie and I. They said, ‘We need to take him to Children’s Hospital right away. We found a large mass in his leg.’ There was no crying and Shaunie was like, ‘OK. No problem. Let’s come up with a plan.’ He wanted to figure a way to live right away.”

He had Ewing’s sarcoma, a rare form of cancer which seems mainly to attack teenaged males. Once the cancer begins to metastasize, the survival rate is around 10 percent.

It wasn’t good, and everyone in the family, including Shaun, knew it. But no one would cry or moan about his fate, because Shaun would have none of it. He planned a lot of things, including becoming rich and famous. A horrible, grisly death at 18 was not part of the plan.

“This was a guy who was facing death every day but he didn’t talk about dying or feel sorry for himself or ask you, ‘Why is this happening to me?’ ” Hopkins said. “I was in camp getting ready to fight [Kelly] Pavlik and I was getting all these text messages from him, encouraging me and pushing me. And this was a guy who had so many problems, that whoever wins or loses a fight should be the last thing he is thinking about.”

As death hovered on his doorstep, though, Negler, was, indeed, thinking about a fight. He was fighting to live, but he was also fighting to stay alive to see Hopkins box one last time. A little more than five months earlier, the Negler family attended Hopkins’ split decision loss to Joe Calzaghe at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas on April 19, 2008.

It was an excruciatingly tight match and the Neglers, who by that point had all grown close with Hopkins, had felt he’d won. But after the fight, they were anxious to go out and see the town.

This was Las Vegas, after all, and they didn’t get this opportunity often.

All of them, that is, but one were hoping to go.

“They announced the decision and we all knew Bernard had won that fight. There was no doubt,” said Shaun’s father, Mike Negler, a 42-year-old Philadelphia police officer. “As the fight was going on, Shaun was pointing out how Calzaghe was throwing a lot of punches, but how they weren’t landing and he was showing us how good Bernard’s defense really was. When they announced the score, Shaun was absolutely miserable. He was just as upset and as angry as you can imagine.

“He said, ‘Oh no, they took it from him. They stole it from him.’ And then he didn’t want to do anything else. Here we are in Las Vegas. How many people would do anything to be in Vegas like we were and get to go out on a Saturday night and have a good time? And Shaun said, ‘Take me to the room.’ He wouldn’t do anything else. He was so upset.”

Hopkins signed to fight Pavlik, the unbeaten middleweight champion, in a bout Oct. 18 at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Shaun talked of being at the fight, but his condition had long since worsened to the point where that kind of travel, an hour or so from his home, was not possible.

“You have to understand, they gave this kid two, three weeks to live, and it’s 12 weeks and he’s still here saying, ‘I want to see you beat Kelly Pavlik,’ ” Hopkins said. “This kid was just amazing. He had a will to live like I’ve never seen.”

Before Hopkins left to begin his training camp, the family had a reunion of sorts. All the family and friends were invited over for what was a chance to essentially say goodbye to Shaun.

He was on borrowed time and was expected to live only for a matter of a few days, if not a couple of weeks. Hopkins, who knew of Shaun’s love of cars, attended the outing and brought over his $150,000 Bentley.

But he didn’t just park it. He grabbed Shaun, brought him to the car and put him in the front seat. Then he closed the door and turned on the engine.

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Shaun Negler named his pit bull puppy “Champ,” a name suggested by Bernard Hopkins.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

The two were sitting there, the 43-year-old finely tuned athlete and the 18-year-old whose body was ravaged by cancer, blind in one eye, with a leg amputated because of his disease.

“What the hell you doing?” Hopkins said in mock indignation. “Drive!”

And so Negler began to drive.

“I thought he’d take it down to the bottom of the driveway, turn around and come back,” Mike Negler said.

Hopkins, though, knew that wouldn’t fulfill the kid’s dream. He wanted to take the car onto the road. So, again, Hopkins urged him to drive. Shaun hit the accelerator, believing the car to be in drive.

It was in reverse, however, and landed up on a curb, damaging Hopkins’ rims. To this day, the rims are not fixed on the otherwise pristine car, Hopkins’ memory of his now-departed friend.

Soon after, Hopkins left for camp and Negler’s condition worsened by the hour. But he wanted to see the fight so badly and he talked about it incessantly with his family.

“Shaun was a diehard fan of all the Philadelphia teams,” Mike Negler said. “He just was in love with all of them, but Bernard, he fell 1,000 percent for Bernard. He loved boxing and then here’s this great fighter from Philadelphia with this incredible story.”

Hopkins trained in Miami knowing each day he might get the call he would dread receiving.

On Oct. 18, the day of the bout he was literally staving off death to see, Negler was in excruciating pain – “bone pain,” as his mother calls it.

A few months earlier, on the first day he got his prosthesis, he had the therapists put it on and he began walking without any physical therapy. He didn’t want it adjusted and demanded that he be driven to his mother’s place of work in Delaware.

Normally, it takes weeks of grueling rehabilitative work for someone who had an amputation to be able to walk. On the first day, Negler, whose left leg was amputated at the knee, was driven to his mother’s office, walked down the aisle and ambled up to her desk.

“There was something in his body and his spirit made him hang around so he could see me that one last time.”

– Bernard Hopkins
on Shaun Negler.
“It took my breath away when I saw him,” she said. “He had this big grin on his face and I couldn’t breathe.”

But now, hours before his friend and idol was to climb into the ring for the fight he so desperately wanted to watch, Negler’s pain was so bad, he took the prosthesis off. He was given more drugs to ease the pain.

When the pay-per-view broadcast on HBO began at 9 p.m., he was helped out of bed and literally crawled downstairs on his hands and knees to sit in front of the television.

But he was only able to stay awake for short periods of time.

“At that point, it was like 10, maybe 15 minutes at most,” Renee Negler said.

He demanded they wake him up when Hopkins came to the ring. Hopkins’ bout began near midnight Eastern time. As Hopkins made his ring walk, the family roused Shaun, who instantly became as alert as he had been at any time in days.

“There was something in his body and his spirit made him hang around so he could see me that one last time,” Hopkins said. “As a human being, can you imagine how that makes me feel?”

There were about 20 or 30 people in the house watching the fight. As Hopkins was being introduced, Renee Negler turned toward her son, who had a wan smile across his face and had formed an “X” with his arms, a tribute to Hopkins, whose nickname is “The Executioner.”

Hopkins went on to win in a rout in the performance of his life. For one night, he was better than he had ever been. And Shaun Negler, who had been able only to stay awake for 10 minutes at a time, was suddenly alive and vibrant as the fight went on.

He was shouting at the television as Hopkins pounded Pavlik with powerful punches, cheering his hero on to victory.

Unbeknownst to anyone, Renee Negler had turned on a video camera on her son and captured his reaction during the fight.

He was gleeful throughout as Hopkins performed brilliantly. When the fight ended, Negler needed to go back to sleep.

He turned to his pit bull puppy, whom Hopkins had suggested he named “Champ,” and kissed it on the head. He crawled back upstairs and was helped into bed. A few minutes later, he lapsed into unconsciousness and never opened his eyes again.

He died a few days later, in his home. Hopkins, who served a stint in the Pennsylvania penal system on a strong-armed robbery conviction, was torn apart.

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“There was a bond between the two of them despite all the differences between them and they loved each other,” said Renee Negler, Shaun’s mother, on her son and boxer Bernard Hopkins.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

But because of his time in prison, he learned to control his emotions. He never cried publicly because of what he learned while he was in prison.

Hopkins was, however, stung by the loss of someone he considered more than just a friend. He not only served as a pall bearer, he spent hours with the Negler family that day and put the gloves he wore the night he defeated Pavlik into the casket with Shaun.

“It’s breathtaking the kindness that is in this man’s heart, because it would have been easy for him to meet Shaun, say the right things and move on,” Renee Negler said. “But what he did, he did because he cared. And he did because Shaunie and he had some kind of a connection. There was a bond between the two of them despite all the differences between them and they loved each other.”

Hopkins said that for as much as he may have given to Shaun and the Neglers, he received much more in return.

“This was a kid who had every reason to feel sorry for himself, who had every reason to give up, and he never once would give in and he never once looked at the dark side of anything,” Hopkins said. “He looked at death and said, ‘I want to live. And I’m going to make the most of what I have.’ And that’s what we have to do while we’re here on this Earth. Take what you have and do the best you can with it. Look at what this kid was dealt and look what he did with it.

“Cancer did not beat him. He beat cancer, because cancer needed his body to live. He’s probably smiling somewhere saying, ‘You know, Bernard, I did it. I beat cancer.’ This kid wasn’t a loser. He was a winner his whole life and I think he’s still a winner.”

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 10:55
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:Hopkins and an even tougher fighter
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

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Bernard Hopkins took a memorable drive with 18-year-old Shaun Negler in his $150,000 Bentley.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

You won’t find Shaun Negler’s name in the FightFax database, the official record-keeping service of professional boxing.

There are no tapes of any of his memorable wins or stories of epic triumphs left behind. That’s because they don’t exist. He was robbed of a career in the sport he loved.

But none other than Bernard Hopkins, one of the greatest fighters of this or any generation, will tell you that he hasn’t met a tougher, or more courageous, fighter than Shaun Negler.

The improbable friendship between the long-time middleweight champion and the 18-year-old who worshipped him officially ended at 12:15 p.m. EDT on Oct. 23, 2008, when Negler could fight no more and succumbed to a 2½ year battle with cancer.

But Hopkins, who first met Negler in 2006 when he learned that the then-16-year-old had a deadly form of cancer, isn’t ready to accept that his friend is gone.

“This kid’s soul is still with us,” said Hopkins, who served as a pall bearer at Negler’s funeral in Philadelphia on Oct. 29. “His spirit lives inside of me and inside a lot of the people I met over these last couple of years.”

Negler’s mother, Renee, remembered sitting in a doctor’s office. It seemed as if she were watching the world on a black-and-white television. Everything seemed so dark.

Several weeks earlier, in a Philadelphia gym in May 2006, her youngest son injured his left ankle as he was preparing for his first fight.

Image
Shaun Negler greatly touched the life of Bernard Hopkins. “He was a winner his whole life and I think he’s still a winner,” Hopkins said.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

The injury didn’t respond to treatment. An MRI was done and on May 30, Shaun and his parents were sitting in a doctor’s office, waiting to hear why this ankle was taking so long to heal.

“I just remember it being such a dark room and now, looking back on it, it seems so surreal,” said Renee Negler, a 41-year-old loan manager. “There were two doctors there and they came in and seemed to have very solemn looks on their faces. I was looking at Shaunie and he was looking at me. It was the doctors, my husband and Shaunie and I. They said, ‘We need to take him to Children’s Hospital right away. We found a large mass in his leg.’ There was no crying and Shaunie was like, ‘OK. No problem. Let’s come up with a plan.’ He wanted to figure a way to live right away.”

He had Ewing’s sarcoma, a rare form of cancer which seems mainly to attack teenaged males. Once the cancer begins to metastasize, the survival rate is around 10 percent.

It wasn’t good, and everyone in the family, including Shaun, knew it. But no one would cry or moan about his fate, because Shaun would have none of it. He planned a lot of things, including becoming rich and famous. A horrible, grisly death at 18 was not part of the plan.

“This was a guy who was facing death every day but he didn’t talk about dying or feel sorry for himself or ask you, ‘Why is this happening to me?’ ” Hopkins said. “I was in camp getting ready to fight [Kelly] Pavlik and I was getting all these text messages from him, encouraging me and pushing me. And this was a guy who had so many problems, that whoever wins or loses a fight should be the last thing he is thinking about.”

As death hovered on his doorstep, though, Negler, was, indeed, thinking about a fight. He was fighting to live, but he was also fighting to stay alive to see Hopkins box one last time. A little more than five months earlier, the Negler family attended Hopkins’ split decision loss to Joe Calzaghe at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas on April 19, 2008.

It was an excruciatingly tight match and the Neglers, who by that point had all grown close with Hopkins, had felt he’d won. But after the fight, they were anxious to go out and see the town.

This was Las Vegas, after all, and they didn’t get this opportunity often.

All of them, that is, but one were hoping to go.

“They announced the decision and we all knew Bernard had won that fight. There was no doubt,” said Shaun’s father, Mike Negler, a 42-year-old Philadelphia police officer. “As the fight was going on, Shaun was pointing out how Calzaghe was throwing a lot of punches, but how they weren’t landing and he was showing us how good Bernard’s defense really was. When they announced the score, Shaun was absolutely miserable. He was just as upset and as angry as you can imagine.

“He said, ‘Oh no, they took it from him. They stole it from him.’ And then he didn’t want to do anything else. Here we are in Las Vegas. How many people would do anything to be in Vegas like we were and get to go out on a Saturday night and have a good time? And Shaun said, ‘Take me to the room.’ He wouldn’t do anything else. He was so upset.”

Hopkins signed to fight Pavlik, the unbeaten middleweight champion, in a bout Oct. 18 at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Shaun talked of being at the fight, but his condition had long since worsened to the point where that kind of travel, an hour or so from his home, was not possible.

“You have to understand, they gave this kid two, three weeks to live, and it’s 12 weeks and he’s still here saying, ‘I want to see you beat Kelly Pavlik,’ ” Hopkins said. “This kid was just amazing. He had a will to live like I’ve never seen.”

Before Hopkins left to begin his training camp, the family had a reunion of sorts. All the family and friends were invited over for what was a chance to essentially say goodbye to Shaun.

He was on borrowed time and was expected to live only for a matter of a few days, if not a couple of weeks. Hopkins, who knew of Shaun’s love of cars, attended the outing and brought over his $150,000 Bentley.

But he didn’t just park it. He grabbed Shaun, brought him to the car and put him in the front seat. Then he closed the door and turned on the engine.

Image
Shaun Negler named his pit bull puppy “Champ,” a name suggested by Bernard Hopkins.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

The two were sitting there, the 43-year-old finely tuned athlete and the 18-year-old whose body was ravaged by cancer, blind in one eye, with a leg amputated because of his disease.

“What the hell you doing?” Hopkins said in mock indignation. “Drive!”

And so Negler began to drive.

“I thought he’d take it down to the bottom of the driveway, turn around and come back,” Mike Negler said.

Hopkins, though, knew that wouldn’t fulfill the kid’s dream. He wanted to take the car onto the road. So, again, Hopkins urged him to drive. Shaun hit the accelerator, believing the car to be in drive.

It was in reverse, however, and landed up on a curb, damaging Hopkins’ rims. To this day, the rims are not fixed on the otherwise pristine car, Hopkins’ memory of his now-departed friend.

Soon after, Hopkins left for camp and Negler’s condition worsened by the hour. But he wanted to see the fight so badly and he talked about it incessantly with his family.

“Shaun was a diehard fan of all the Philadelphia teams,” Mike Negler said. “He just was in love with all of them, but Bernard, he fell 1,000 percent for Bernard. He loved boxing and then here’s this great fighter from Philadelphia with this incredible story.”

Hopkins trained in Miami knowing each day he might get the call he would dread receiving.

On Oct. 18, the day of the bout he was literally staving off death to see, Negler was in excruciating pain – “bone pain,” as his mother calls it.

A few months earlier, on the first day he got his prosthesis, he had the therapists put it on and he began walking without any physical therapy. He didn’t want it adjusted and demanded that he be driven to his mother’s place of work in Delaware.

Normally, it takes weeks of grueling rehabilitative work for someone who had an amputation to be able to walk. On the first day, Negler, whose left leg was amputated at the knee, was driven to his mother’s office, walked down the aisle and ambled up to her desk.

“There was something in his body and his spirit made him hang around so he could see me that one last time.”

– Bernard Hopkins
on Shaun Negler.
“It took my breath away when I saw him,” she said. “He had this big grin on his face and I couldn’t breathe.”

But now, hours before his friend and idol was to climb into the ring for the fight he so desperately wanted to watch, Negler’s pain was so bad, he took the prosthesis off. He was given more drugs to ease the pain.

When the pay-per-view broadcast on HBO began at 9 p.m., he was helped out of bed and literally crawled downstairs on his hands and knees to sit in front of the television.

But he was only able to stay awake for short periods of time.

“At that point, it was like 10, maybe 15 minutes at most,” Renee Negler said.

He demanded they wake him up when Hopkins came to the ring. Hopkins’ bout began near midnight Eastern time. As Hopkins made his ring walk, the family roused Shaun, who instantly became as alert as he had been at any time in days.

“There was something in his body and his spirit made him hang around so he could see me that one last time,” Hopkins said. “As a human being, can you imagine how that makes me feel?”

There were about 20 or 30 people in the house watching the fight. As Hopkins was being introduced, Renee Negler turned toward her son, who had a wan smile across his face and had formed an “X” with his arms, a tribute to Hopkins, whose nickname is “The Executioner.”

Hopkins went on to win in a rout in the performance of his life. For one night, he was better than he had ever been. And Shaun Negler, who had been able only to stay awake for 10 minutes at a time, was suddenly alive and vibrant as the fight went on.

He was shouting at the television as Hopkins pounded Pavlik with powerful punches, cheering his hero on to victory.

Unbeknownst to anyone, Renee Negler had turned on a video camera on her son and captured his reaction during the fight.

He was gleeful throughout as Hopkins performed brilliantly. When the fight ended, Negler needed to go back to sleep.

He turned to his pit bull puppy, whom Hopkins had suggested he named “Champ,” and kissed it on the head. He crawled back upstairs and was helped into bed. A few minutes later, he lapsed into unconsciousness and never opened his eyes again.

He died a few days later, in his home. Hopkins, who served a stint in the Pennsylvania penal system on a strong-armed robbery conviction, was torn apart.

Image
“There was a bond between the two of them despite all the differences between them and they loved each other,” said Renee Negler, Shaun’s mother, on her son and boxer Bernard Hopkins.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

But because of his time in prison, he learned to control his emotions. He never cried publicly because of what he learned while he was in prison.

Hopkins was, however, stung by the loss of someone he considered more than just a friend. He not only served as a pall bearer, he spent hours with the Negler family that day and put the gloves he wore the night he defeated Pavlik into the casket with Shaun.

“It’s breathtaking the kindness that is in this man’s heart, because it would have been easy for him to meet Shaun, say the right things and move on,” Renee Negler said. “But what he did, he did because he cared. And he did because Shaunie and he had some kind of a connection. There was a bond between the two of them despite all the differences between them and they loved each other.”

Hopkins said that for as much as he may have given to Shaun and the Neglers, he received much more in return.

“This was a kid who had every reason to feel sorry for himself, who had every reason to give up, and he never once would give in and he never once looked at the dark side of anything,” Hopkins said. “He looked at death and said, ‘I want to live. And I’m going to make the most of what I have.’ And that’s what we have to do while we’re here on this Earth. Take what you have and do the best you can with it. Look at what this kid was dealt and look what he did with it.

“Cancer did not beat him. He beat cancer, because cancer needed his body to live. He’s probably smiling somewhere saying, ‘You know, Bernard, I did it. I beat cancer.’ This kid wasn’t a loser. He was a winner his whole life and I think he’s still a winner.”

This is what a hint of heaven is all about.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 11:14
by dagosd2000
FAMILY

As I get older my feelings are changing. A fluxuation of hormones?
More life experiences? I feel I'm working more off my instincts and emotions. Some would say I'm getting old and soft. I'm not afraid except when I see people who are afraid.

I worry right now about my grandson Adam. He's a good boy. He's kind to everyone. He loves his family. He's 8 years old. I'm very protective of him. If I was his father,I'd probably do him more harm than good. The street in our country is becoming more and more unforgiving. I think Adam can face it. I'm the one who worries about that. I don't spoil him,but my life is very grounded to Adam and his sister,Amanda.

I work with kids all day. I see a lot of damaged goods. There's a part of me that says if I'm going to survive,I sometimes have to get tough with some of the kids I see in my classroom. I wouldn't want my grandchildren going to my school because of safety and academic reasons,but I understand that these kids in my classroom have no choice. The school is a reflection of their neighborhood snd family life.

I remember the line in the Godfather when Michael Corleone asks his mother about the importance of family. She looks at him with a puzzled look.
"All you have is family. Without it you have nothing."

I worry too much. Family. The greatest investment a man can have. It's the worst thing a man can lose.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 11:24
by kikibalt
I never liked Bernard Hopkins as a fighter, respected him as a man, more so now after reading the above article.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 11:38
by dagosd2000
I was talking to my Italian friend(won't mention his name)whose wife is leaving him after 30 years of marriage.He screwed around a lot and that supposedly is the reason she's leaving him. He's devastated. We talked, or I should say I mostly listened. I see it this way with him. He's not losing his wife as much as he's losing his mother. The woman who took care of him and accepted(or put up with) all his crap.

I'm the same way. When I was little I suffered terribly from anxiety seperation from my mother. She couldn't leave me with a baby sitter,a aunt,
she couldn't leave the room without me going hysterical.

I worried about her dying. I went crazy with the thought. Finally she supressed my fears and told me she wouldn't die. I was 4 years old at the time.

When I married my wife I was very happy. Then 15 years into the marriage my wife had an attack. A pain in her stomach. I rushed her to emergency. The doctors found a benign tumor on her ovary. They said she'd be fine. However the anxiety I felt about losing my mother when I was a kid resurfaced and was transferred to my wife. For years I was panic stricken about losing her. I put the Prozac company in the black. I'm better now,but I know the feelings still lurk in my mind.

I've known women that want to take care of me. Cook my food,wash my clothes,be nice. Sacrafice for me. But I don't like that. Only my mother,my older sister,and my wife I want to take care of me.
As far as sex goes it has nothing to do with love at all.I laugh at the emphasis sex has on our society. It's equated with love and a "soul mate." I don't want to live the rest of my life with a pretty face even if she wants to take care of me.

Now I understand when my father,in his later life,would call my mother "Mom"

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 11:53
by scartissue
kikibalt wrote:Photo & caption courtesy of Bruce Smith

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Picture from the Northern California Veteran Boxers Association annual awards banquet from last Saturday night. This year they honored Greg Haugen who you will also see at the World Boxing Hall of Fame inductions. Greg was entertaining and energetic, it was fun to have him there. The highlight of the night was when he was being introduced and the MC told the story about Haugen calling Julio Cesar Chavez's opponents, "Tijuana taxi cab drivers" and Greg shouted, "but they were tough taxi drivers", he brought the house down. Shown with Greg in the picture is Andy Nance who had a pretty fair career here in Northern California in the mid-eighties going 24-1-2 as a light-welter.
Bobbin & Weavin
Haugen was quick with the barbs before the Chavez fight. I remember one of his brutal ones was when he spotted the name 'Jerry Lewis' on Chavez' record and he went into guffaws at the Press conference screaming, "Hey, Chavez fought the nutty Professor!" Chavez did a slow burn but exacted his revenge in the way he knew best.

Scartissue

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 11:55
by bennie
dagosd2000 wrote:I was talking to my Italian friend(won't mention his name)whose wife is leaving him after 30 years of marriage.He screwed around a lot and that supposedly is the reason she's leaving him. He's devastated. We talked, or I should say I mostly listened. I see it this way with him. He's not losing his wife as much as he's losing his mother. The woman who took care of him and accepted(or put up with) all his crap.

I'm the same way. When I was little I suffered terribly from anxiety seperation from my mother. She couldn't leave me with a baby sitter,a aunt,
she couldn't leave the room without me going hysterical.

I worried about her dying. I went crazy with the thought. Finally she supressed my fears and told me she wouldn't die. I was 4 years old at the time.

When I married my wife I was very happy. Then 15 years into the marriage my wife had an attack. A pain in her stomach. I rushed her to emergency. The doctors found a benign tumor on her ovary. They said she'd be fine. However the anxiety I felt about losing my mother when I was a kid resurfaced and was transferred to my wife. For years I was panic stricken about losing her. I put the Prozac company in the black. I'm better now,but I know the feelings still lurk in my mind.

I've known women that want to take care of me. Cook my food,wash my clothes,be nice. Sacrafice for me. But I don't like that. Only my mother,my older sister,and my wife I want to take care of me.
As far as sex goes it has nothing to do with love at all.I laugh at the emphasis sex has on our society. It's equated with love and a "soul mate." I don't want to live the rest of my life with a pretty face even if she wants to take care of me.

Now I understand when my father,in his later life,would call my mother "Mom"
Great post, Diego. They ought to make you President.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 11:59
by bennie
scartissue wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Photo & caption courtesy of Bruce Smith

Image
Picture from the Northern California Veteran Boxers Association annual awards banquet from last Saturday night. This year they honored Greg Haugen who you will also see at the World Boxing Hall of Fame inductions. Greg was entertaining and energetic, it was fun to have him there. The highlight of the night was when he was being introduced and the MC told the story about Haugen calling Julio Cesar Chavez's opponents, "Tijuana taxi cab drivers" and Greg shouted, "but they were tough taxi drivers", he brought the house down. Shown with Greg in the picture is Andy Nance who had a pretty fair career here in Northern California in the mid-eighties going 24-1-2 as a light-welter.
Bobbin & Weavin
Haugen was quick with the barbs before the Chavez fight. I remember one of his brutal ones was when he spotted the name 'Jerry Lewis' on Chavez' record and he went into guffaws at the Press conference screaming, "Hey, Chavez fought the nutty Professor!" Chavez did a slow burn but exacted his revenge in the way he knew best.

Scartissue
Yeah, Greg certainly knew how to talk. He came over to Denmark in 1988 (for a huge payday) and thumped the hot, unbeaten Gert Bo Jacobsen in 10 rounds. The Dane got the full treatment at the weigh-in and looked intimidated in the fight.
I liked Greg's quote before the Mancini fight (another huge payday). "Sure, he'll be in shape," he said of Mancini, "but I'll be in fighting shape."

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 12:00
by raylawpc
bennie wrote:Was Conrad in an episode of Columbo?
Yes, in 1974, in "An Exercise in Fatality." He played the bad guy.

BTW: Here's a link to his pro boxing record (4-0-1) as a middleweight in the early 60s.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Do you remember any of those fights, Frank?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 12:02
by bennie
raylawpc wrote:
bennie wrote:Was Conrad in an episode of Columbo?
Yes, in 1974, in "An Exercise in Fatality." He played the bad guy.
Yeah, he reminded me a bit of Jerry Quarry in that one. He was excellent.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 12:10
by bennie
Cheers, Ray. Got the record. :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 12:24
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:I was talking to my Italian friend(won't mention his name)whose wife is leaving him after 30 years of marriage.He screwed around a lot and that supposedly is the reason she's leaving him. He's devastated. We talked, or I should say I mostly listened. I see it this way with him. He's not losing his wife as much as he's losing his mother. The woman who took care of him and accepted(or put up with) all his crap.

I'm the same way. When I was little I suffered terribly from anxiety seperation from my mother. She couldn't leave me with a baby sitter,a aunt,
she couldn't leave the room without me going hysterical.

I worried about her dying. I went crazy with the thought. Finally she supressed my fears and told me she wouldn't die. I was 4 years old at the time.

When I married my wife I was very happy. Then 15 years into the marriage my wife had an attack. A pain in her stomach. I rushed her to emergency. The doctors found a benign tumor on her ovary. They said she'd be fine. However the anxiety I felt about losing my mother when I was a kid resurfaced and was transferred to my wife. For years I was panic stricken about losing her. I put the Prozac company in the black. I'm better now,but I know the feelings still lurk in my mind.

I've known women that want to take care of me. Cook my food,wash my clothes,be nice. Sacrafice for me. But I don't like that. Only my mother,my older sister,and my wife I want to take care of me.
As far as sex goes it has nothing to do with love at all.I laugh at the emphasis sex has on our society. It's equated with love and a "soul mate." I don't want to live the rest of my life with a pretty face even if she wants to take care of me.

Now I understand when my father,in his later life,would call my mother "Mom"
Great post, Diego. They ought to make you President.
Shit, if they made Diego President, I'll join Tom and leave the country, go live with diego's in-law's in T.J.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 12:36
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
bennie wrote:Was Conrad in an episode of Columbo?
Yes, in 1974, in "An Exercise in Fatality." He played the bad guy.

BTW: Here's a link to his pro boxing record (4-0-1) as a middleweight in the early 60s.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Do you remember any of those fights, Frank?
Tom,

I don't remember none of Conrad's fights, I see that he fought on the Danny Valdez/Boots Monroe card and I was there for that fight, so I might have seen him fight that nite, just don't remember.

Around 1968-69 Conrad used to go to the Teamsters Gym on Saturday morning's and Frankie used to get in the ring with him and throw punches at him for two/three rounds.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 12:54
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President" :TU:

I hope you are right, Rick.... :TU:

Yeah, well, if that happens, I'm going to petition for political asylum when I'm over in the New Zealand later this month! :o

Tom, you don't have to go all the way to New Zealand to live, I'm sure that Diego can set you up with one of his in-laws in Tijuana, that way Diego can take you to the Boom Boom club.... :wink: :wink: :TU:
Yeah, but I don't speak Spanish. I can handle Kiwi English. Besides, in Timaru, I can walk over to the Fitzsimmons statue everyday and pay homage . . . :bow: :bow:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 12:54
by kikibalt
In this economy, even sex doesn't sell

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George Frey / For The Times
Dallas, who works at Donna’s Ranch in Wells, Nev., waits for customers. Signs of the economic free fall have cropped up in many of Nevada’s 25 or so legal brothels. Donna’s Ranch has seen its business plummet nearly 20%.

At Donna's Ranch, a brothel in Wells, Nev., most of the customers are long-haul truckers. High fuel and food prices have drained them of 'play money.' So the working girls sit and wait.

By Ashley Powers

Reporting from Wells, Nev. -- The women at Donna's Ranch are crowded around the kitchen table on a warm summer night, dining on stir fry, tugging at thigh-high dresses, griping about depleted bank accounts. At this northeastern Nevada bordello, which marks a gravel road's end, they woo grizzled truckers and weary travelers for a single reason: money.

Lately, the women don't go home with much.

Economic downturn hits...Amy, 58, once bought a $32,000 Toyota Tacoma in cash; now her $1,200 mortgage saps her dwindling pay. Some weeks, she could make more flipping burgers than flirting under a made-up name. Marisol's daughters think she works at a resort; she struggles to keep up the ruse. It now takes months, not weeks, to bring $5,000 back to Southern California.

"Marisol," one of her regulars tells her, "it costs me in gas what it takes for me to spend a half-hour with you."

Tonight, she tries lingering at the dimly lighted bar that's decorated with red Christmas lights and smells of hot dogs and beans. Wearing a shimmering strapless top, Marisol sips cheap champagne and tries to seduce travelers, some with thick guts and most with thin wallets. After 20 minutes, she gives up.

Signs of the economic free fall have cropped up in many of Nevada's 25 or so legal brothels. The Mustang Ranch, for example, has a steady stream of customers, but the number of women vying for work has soared. Even a 74-year-old applied. This summer, the Shady Lady gave $50 gas cards to those who spent $300. The Moonlite Bunny Ranch offered extras to customers paying with their economic stimulus checks.

Here, 180 miles west of Salt Lake City, near the junction of Interstate 80 and Highway 93, Donna's Ranch has seen its business plummet nearly 20%. More than three-quarters of its customers are long-haul truckers, and high fuel and food prices have drained them of "play money," owner Geoff Arnold says. That cuts into pay for his 10-member staff and the "working girls."

Marisol, 49, retreats to the kitchen, a homey nook with lemon-yellow walls and a plate of scones that another woman whipped up. Amy is staring at the Lazy Susan, snuffing out a Misty cigarette. "There are two guys," Marisol says, her voice thick with frustration. "They want to relax and drink a beer and think about it."

She plops into a chair, pushes open blue curtains and scans a parking lot, bathed in yellow and pink by the neon advertising DONNA'S. Her face puckers. It's empty.

The brothel's woes start with the barflies, who are hoarding what little money they've saved. Tonight, two of them slouch in their stools and bemoan the economic slump, their voices rising to near shouts.

"The government's got to do something," says Dean Hargis, a tattooed trucker who calls Springfield, Mo., home. "Everybody who eats or drinks anything, they're going to hurt. It affects what I eat, it affects what motel I stay in, it affects what dog food I buy."

David Zett, a long-hauler from Loretta, Wis., gulps a Miller Genuine Draft and bashes oil companies: "They've got you over a barrel and can do whatever they want to you, and they don't even kiss you when they're done."

"Just like this place," Hargis says.

"No," Zett says. "They kiss you."

The bartender, Gayle Salinas, shakes her head. She's pinching pennies too. She used to take home $50 in tips at the end of most shifts. Now she might pocket $12. Her pay is linked to how much the prostitutes make -- and customers aren't choosing their most expensive offerings.

The women negotiate the price of "parties" and their duration, which the bartender tracks using kitchen timers. Ten to 15 minutes costs at least $100. Customers once regularly paid thousands of dollars for extras listed on a hot-pink "menu" -- but these days, for example, few men desire the hot tub or mirrored fantasy room.

Earlier that night, Marisol had guided Rob Siddoway, a gangly, pony-tailed trucker from Tooele, Utah, into the fantasy room. This was his first brothel trip in a year; he used to stop by every few months. "See how comfortable you can get?" Marisol coos. She points to a red-blanketed, circular bed and a pillow stitched with the word LOVE.

"You can see yourself in the mirror," she says. He looks instead at her: olive skin, substantial curves, dark, tired eyes. He passes on buying an expensive party. Marisol isn't surprised. She had played a fortune-telling card game that afternoon; it showed the future would bring little cash.

About a dozen years ago, Arnold plunked down more than $1 million for Donna's Ranch. He's a certified public accountant in Boise, Idaho, and had combed the books of several brothels; buying one seemed business-savvy. He owns another in Battle Mountain, Nev.

"They're easy to run," says Arnold, president of the state brothel association. "If you keep the girls happy, you're done. If the girls are happy, then the guys are happy. I can't think of any other business as good as a brothel, except for a doctor's office -- they're equally profitable."

Billed as the West's oldest continuously operating bordello, Donna's Ranch greets drivers with a sign that depicts a cowboy-hatted, buxom brunet preening atop a truck bed. The red-roofed, single-story brothel is plagued with leaks; a recent earthquake cracked its beige exterior. The women's rooms are small. Most have a double bed, a television and DVD player, and tables with assorted lotions, sex toys and toiletries. There's also a handmade sign that reminds customers: Tips are appreciated.

From 2006 to 2007, the brothel's revenue climbed 7.6%, to about $1 million. This year, Arnold expects to make about $200,000 less. Closing that gap is tricky: Brothel advertising is legal, but billboards and bus ads risk upsetting neighbors. So the bordello sponsors a soccer team in Boise and a rodeo in Wells. It also bought lights for the high school football field and gave local motels pens, which boast that Donna's is "Your Biggest Bang for the Buck."

Arnold's staff clips coupons to slash the $3,300 monthly grocery bill. He brainstorms other cost-cutting measures. He owns 33 acres in Wells -- enough room, by his calculation, for five to 10 cows that could feed his workers.

"That's what we've come to," he says, chuckling at the idea. "Donna's Ranch could be a real ranch."

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In the kitchen, Amy alternately smooths her black, rhinestone-trimmed mini-dress and reddened hair that falls to her waist. She appears about a decade younger than she is, with a trim figure, high cheekbones and a tendency to giggle.

She waits for the CB radio to crackle. During even-numbered hours, the women take turns sweet-talking truckers. (They cede the odd-numbered hours to Bella's, the other brothel in this city of 1,300 people.) The tactic, which lures more than a third of Donna's customers, is more vital now that business is slumping.

Amy is perched on a chair, legs crossed, a wedge heel dangling off French-manicured toes. At last, a trucker grunts through the airwaves: "Where you girls at?" Amy leans toward a microphone and urges him to pull off at Exit 352.

"Are you the Asian girl?" he asks.

"Bingo!" she says.

Amy has worked in brothels, on and off, for eight years. She needed cash to get her own place, but also blames "a broken heart." Her grown son is the only person who's figured out her line of work, something she admits with downcast eyes.

She typically does three-week stints, but starts wanting to go home to Utah after two. She used to pocket $6,000 each time -- even after splitting money with the house and covering room and board, condoms, licenses and legally required medical tests. But what she wistfully terms the good old days -- when she could see up to 13 men a day and afford to turn down customers -- are gone.

Tonight, the bartender counts four brothel customers. Maybe, Salinas says, things will pick up. Some car buffs are in Wells for a show. "I don't know," Amy says. "They bring their wives." The other women -- who likewise use pseudonyms and hide their jobs from their children and friends -- are discouraged too.

Tori, a blond veteran with a no-nonsense manner -- she waves off questions about her age -- commutes from the Reno area with an array of wigs and sequined get-ups. In the early '90s, she was laid off from a Southern California real estate office; she eventually turned to the brothel circuit: winters in southern Nevada, summers up north. She wants to work in auto sales but makes do at Donna's.

"Some other places want you to work 24 hours," she says. "They don't want you to sleep."

Danielle, younger and more reserved than the other women, is passing time solving word puzzles. She is milky-skinned with a long brown ponytail. She ended up here after a divorce. She periodically flies to South Carolina -- ticket prices have soared -- and tries to return with at least $2,000. But most customers have been trying to bargain down their prices. Some are paying with credit cards -- an indication they don't have as much cash. (The receipts say Apache Wells Development Co., not Donna's Ranch.)

"Whatever they have," Amy says, "you have to take it."

Earlier, when she was parrying with the trucker, Amy curled up at a folding table just big enough for a radio and mike, a water bottle, a gray stuffed kitten, an ashtray and a dry erase board listing selling points:

Free beer. Free chili. Free shower. SOUVENIRS.

"I'm going to bed," the trucker tells her.

"Maybe come here and have a happy ending?" she purrs.

"Tell me what a happy ending is."

"I can't talk about it over the radio."

Silence.

Thanks, the trucker says. Not tonight.

Powers is a Times staff writer.

[email protected]

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 13:00
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
bennie wrote:Was Conrad in an episode of Columbo?
Yes, in 1974, in "An Exercise in Fatality." He played the bad guy.

BTW: Here's a link to his pro boxing record (4-0-1) as a middleweight in the early 60s.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Do you remember any of those fights, Frank?
Tom,

I don't remember none of Conrad's fights, I see that he fought on the Danny Valdez/Boots Monroe card and I was there for that fight, so I might have seen him fight that nite, just don't remember.

Around 1968-69 Conrad used to go to the Teamsters Gym on Saturday morning's and Frankie used to get in the ring with him and throw punches at him for two/three rounds.
Frankie Crawford best described Conrad this way . . . "He has a heart that's the size of a pea". Bob Conrad's name kind of equates to a bad joke in L.A. boxing. Unfortunatly for Bob, his health is failing after a serious accident a few years ago. He no longer lives in Southern Cal, and from what I hear is crippled. I will say this, when I was a kid, I loved watching his Tv show "The Wild Wild West". I visited the set of that production with my grandfather at the CBS Studio Center back in the mid-60's, where they shot on stage 5. On stage 3, "Gunsmoke" was in production, and on stage 9, "Gilligan's Island". By the way, after years of little use, the old "Gilligan's Lagoon" set on the CBS backlot, was finally drained, filled with earth and today is a parking lot.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 13:02
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
And after all is said and done, we'll call Barack Obama . . . "Mr. President" :TU:

I hope you are right, Rick.... :TU:

Yeah, well, if that happens, I'm going to petition for political asylum when I'm over in the New Zealand later this month! :o

Tom, you don't have to go all the way to New Zealand to live, I'm sure that Diego can set you up with one of his in-laws in Tijuana, that way Diego can take you to the Boom Boom club.... :wink: :wink: :TU:
Yeah, but I don't speak Spanish. I can handle Kiwi English. Besides, in Timaru, I can walk over to the Fitzsimmons statue everyday and pay homage . . . :bow: :bow:
You don't need to speak Spanish, Diego will speak for you, all you have to say is "Orale Ase"... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 13:21
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Was Conrad in an episode of Columbo?

Yes, in 1974, in "An Exercise in Fatality." He played the bad guy.

BTW: Here's a link to his pro boxing record (4-0-1) as a middleweight in the early 60s.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Do you remember any of those fights, Frank?
Tom,

I don't remember none of Conrad's fights, I see that he fought on the Danny Valdez/Boots Monroe card and I was there for that fight, so I might have seen him fight that nite, just don't remember.

Around 1968-69 Conrad used to go to the Teamsters Gym on Saturday morning's and Frankie used to get in the ring with him and throw punches at him for two/three rounds.
Frankie Crawford best described Conrad this way . . . "He has a heart that's the size of a pea". Bob Conrad's name kind of equates to a bad joke in L.A. boxing. Unfortunatly for Bob, his health is failing after a serious accident a few years ago. He no longer lives in Southern Cal, and from what I hear is crippled. I will say this, when I was a kid, I loved watching his Tv show "The Wild Wild West". I visited the set of that production with my grandfather at the CBS Studio Center back in the mid-60's, where they shot on stage 5. On stage 3, "Gunsmoke" was in production, and on stage 9, "Gilligan's Island". By the way, after years of little use, the old "Gilligan's Lagoon" set on the CBS backlot, was finally drained, filled with earth and today is a parking lot.

-Rick Farris
According to imdb.com, he was seriously injured in a head-on car crash in 2003 in which he sustained head injuries and neuro damage that left his right hand and arm paralyzed and slowed his speech. Convicted of DUI, he was sentenced to six months of house arrest, five years probation and alcohol counseling. He also lost his driver's license for one year. He currently lives in Bear Valley, California, a ski resort village in the High Sierra. (He probably fishes with Frank every year up in the Sierras. :wink: :wink: )

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 13:44
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Was Conrad in an episode of Columbo?

Yes, in 1974, in "An Exercise in Fatality." He played the bad guy.

BTW: Here's a link to his pro boxing record (4-0-1) as a middleweight in the early 60s.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Do you remember any of those fights, Frank?
Tom,

I don't remember none of Conrad's fights, I see that he fought on the Danny Valdez/Boots Monroe card and I was there for that fight, so I might have seen him fight that nite, just don't remember.

Around 1968-69 Conrad used to go to the Teamsters Gym on Saturday morning's and Frankie used to get in the ring with him and throw punches at him for two/three rounds.
Frankie Crawford best described Conrad this way . . . "He has a heart that's the size of a pea". Bob Conrad's name kind of equates to a bad joke in L.A. boxing. Unfortunatly for Bob, his health is failing after a serious accident a few years ago. He no longer lives in Southern Cal, and from what I hear is crippled. I will say this, when I was a kid, I loved watching his Tv show "The Wild Wild West". I visited the set of that production with my grandfather at the CBS Studio Center back in the mid-60's, where they shot on stage 5. On stage 3, "Gunsmoke" was in production, and on stage 9, "Gilligan's Island". By the way, after years of little use, the old "Gilligan's Lagoon" set on the CBS backlot, was finally drained, filled with earth and today is a parking lot.

-Rick Farris
The lagoon was neat. But this was my favorite part of Gilligan's Island:

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 13:45
by kikibalt
No, I don't fish with Conrad, Bear Valley is on the northern part of the Sierras, I fish the southern part.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 14:05
by kikibalt
Here’s Looking At You, Casablanca: Marcel Cerdan

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By Mike Casey - His was a wonderful, seamless blend of culture and controlled savagery. He stalked and threw punches constantly in the manner of Rocky Marciano, but with far greater education and precision. At his raging best, there didn’t seem to be a single aspect of the game at which Marcel Cerdan wasn’t breathtakingly efficient. Boxing observers looked in vain for any vital physical or mental component that he lacked. He was a natural and versatile predator who could prosper in any given climate.

Cerdan is something of a strange case among history’s greatest middleweights. He is a stalwart member of most people’s top ten, yet is rarely discussed at length and almost never mentioned in fantasy fights between the elite masters. We hear of Ketchel, Greb, Walker Robinson, Monzon and Hagler. Even Tony Zale, Rocky Graziano, Dick Tiger and Gene Fullmer occasionally get into the mix, largely because they were tough and colourful battlers..

I tell you now, with utter conviction, that Marcel Cerdan would have given any member of that first half dozen the fight of his life. I certainly believe that he would have been too clever, too rugged and too hard hitting for Hagler. As for the four names that follow, there is no doubt in my mind that Marcel would have taken Tony Zale at any time in Tony’s career and ripped through Graziano, Tiger and Fullmer.

Perhaps I have already stumbled on one of the reasons for Cerdan’s apparent invisibility. There is a school of thought that Tony Zale was past his best and ready for the taking when Cerdan tore the middleweight championship from his grip at the Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City in 1948. There is undoubtedly an element of truth to that theory, since thirty-four year old Tony was a veteran of 86 bouts by that time and had consistently faced top class opposition. Let us remember too that Zale had lost four years of his career to the Second World War, in which he served as a sailor.

Yet prior to defending against Cerdan, Tony had never looked fresher or more devastating in concluding his vicious trilogy with Rocky Graziano at the Ruppert Stadium in Newark. Stunning Rocky repeatedly with hard and precise punches, Zale brought the curtain down in classic style in the third round with a memorable one-two of a jolt to the body and a smash to the jaw.

Zale was the 8 to 5 favourite against Cerdan, yet the French ace dismantled him with a potent mix of surgical precision and brutality. Marcel was a revelation and the American crowd applauded his hard-edged artistry. He was on top of the world, but then everything went horribly wrong. Tragically so.

He left a sizeable percentage of his earnings from that fight in America as a guarantee that he would return in 1949 to meet Uncle Sam’s selected challenger. Marcel honoured the agreement and made his first defence against Jake LaMotta.

Cerdan injured his left shoulder in the opening round of that famous fight, battling heroically until the pain forced him to retire at the end of the ninth round.

Fighting LaMotta with two arms was a nightmare even for a man of Sugar Ray Robinson’s exceptional talent. How good was a handicapped Cerdan? As one ringsider noted, “Even with one good arm, he gave LaMotta all the trouble he could handle.”

Cerdan, of course, didn’t have to play the good sport and defend against so tough an adversary as Bronx Jake. But that’s the way it was done then. LaMotta himself could have trod water and racked up a few more title defences before entertaining Robinson. Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler could have taken break from sharing each other’s ferocious company. Kid Gavilan could have chosen an easier opponent for his first title defence than the slick and super smart kid from Greenwich Village, Billy Graham. As boxing writer and analyst Al Bernstein once noted, the great fighters of that era consistently fought other great fighters, which is why they are justly celebrated as being among the true giants of the game.

Cerdan and LaMotta were to fight again, and it is this writer’s opinion that the Frenchman would have regained the championship from the Bronx Bull. Then came the tragedy. After saying goodbye to his wife, who stayed behind to look after the family restaurant in Casablanca,

Cerdan boarded a plane back to America and quickly met his death. The plane crashed in the Azores and 45,000 people attended the great fighter’s funeral when his body was returned to Casablanca.

Cerdan had come and gone like a flash. To those who simply glance at the record books or read the odd article, the Casablanca Clouter must seem little more than a shooting star that exploded sensationally before quickly dissolving back into the stratosphere. Measured against the vast and rich canvas of middleweight history, he does indeed give the impression of being almost a fleeting ghost. He wasn’t. He was all flesh and blood and was one of the genuinely great middleweights.

Captivated

Right from his days of knocking out the cream of European fighters, long before he first came to America, Marcel Cerdan captivated everyone who saw him.

For years in Britain, a great and bitter rivalry existed between Jewish promoters, Jack Solomons and Harry Levene. Both men were feisty businessmen and canny talent spotters. I will never forget the day I called Levene to ask him if he really disliked Solomons. I was sixteen years old, with all the innocent confidence that comes with youth. There was a dramatic pause at the end of the line. Harry was very good at dramatic pauses. Then came his answer. “My next presentation will be the British championship match between Henry Cooper and Joe Bugner at the Empire Pool, Wembley. Do you wish to purchase a ticket?”

Solomons in particular travelled far and wide in his tireless hunt for freshly cut fighting diamonds. Jolly Jack was a shrewd judge of boxing talent and not an easy man to impress. When he journeyed to Paris and saw Marcel Cerdan, Solomons was left reeling in admiration. On his return to England, he couldn’t summon sufficient praise for the barnstorming Frenchman.

Jack spoke of Cerdan’s ability to knock out opponents with either hand, with short blasts that travelled a matter of inches and were thrown with great speed and variation. It was Solomons’ belief that Marcel was the greatest fighter France had ever produced, even better than the long-time darling of that nation, Georges Carpentier.

Great promoters, of course, can make a stay in the Siberian salt mines sound like the vacation of a lifetime. But Solomons was pretty much on the mark in his summation of Cerdan. The Casablanca Clouter was in no way a deception with his powerful arms and shoulders, his barrel chest and his gold-toothed rugged handsomeness. He was every inch a furious fighting man at 5’ 7” and 158lbs, a thinking man’s puncher whose strength and hitting power were allied to an imaginative mind and excellent footwork. How could his footwork be anything less? Playing league soccer for Casablanca had honed his speed and agility and taught him how to manoeuvre his way out of tight corners.

Cerdan was durable, tenacious, and could fire his damaging punches in rapid-fire bursts of varying permutations. He would set up opponents with vicious digs to the body and fast cracks to the jaw and required the minimum of leverage for his payoff punches.

A French-Algerian, Cerdan was born in Sidi Bel-Abbes in Algeria on July 22, 1916. His elder brothers all boxed and Marcel decided to follow the family tradition, turning professional in 1934 at the age of seventeen. He was already more than capable of looking after himself, having hacked his way through many fights with street Arabs as a growing boy. In a glittering and tragically abbreviated career, he would storm on to lose just four of his 113 professional fights, scoring 63 knockouts. His sad finale against LaMotta would mark the only time that Cerdan was stopped.

Paris

Paris was calling. The boxing fans in the French capital quickly picked up on the exciting exploits of the young Cerdan and demanded to see him. Marcel had campaigned exclusively in Morocco and Algeria for the first three years of his career, bulling and powering his way to 28 successive wins. The Parisiens liked what they saw when he finally shed his cloak of mystery and moved among them to outpoint Louis Jampton in October, 1937.

Cerdan radiated glamour and charisma and quickly attained celebrity status. His mistress, the legendary singer Edith Piaf, would sit at ringside as her boy cut a swathe through the best fighters that Europe could offer. While the overall standard of European talent was never on a par with the finest of American ring mechanics, it was certainly a lot richer in those heady days of stiff and constant competition. France especially had a productive factory, particularly among the middleweights.

Cerdan was preceded by hard man Marcel Thil and followed by Laurent Dauthuille, Robert Villemain and Charley Humez. As late as the seventies there would be the fine trio of Jean-Claude Bouttier, Gratien Tonna and the wildly exciting Jean Mateo.

Like Tony Zale and so many other great boxers, Cerdan’s career was significantly interrupted by the Second World War. He was approaching his twenty-third birthday when he joined the French army shortly after dethroning Saviero Turiello for the European welterweight title. Marcel’s progress was halted for more than eighteen months until France fell to Germany and he returned to the ring in 1941.

The Clouter quickly made up for lost time. He won the French middleweight title and barrelled through the ranks with a series of exciting victories until gaining his first big break in 1946. Before a crowd of 10,000 at the Roland Garros Stadium in Paris, Cerdan gained an emphatic decision over that most able and cagey of craftsmen, Holman Williams. What made that triumph all the more impressive was that Marcel had battled through much of the fight with a broken hand that prevented him from throwing his destructive, one-two combinations with their usual steam and venom.

Holman Williams was a big scalp and Uncle Sam had been watching in the form of promoter, Mike Jacobs. Now America wanted a piece of the Cerdan action. Jacobs assured Marcel that he would get top consideration to meet the winner of the forthcoming first match between Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano. In fact the Frenchman would have to wait two years and fight a further thirteen battles before securing his big chance.

There were two harsh truths to the big delay. Zale became locked in an epic trilogy with Graziano, and Rock-A-Bye Rocky was always going to sell more tickets than Cerdan. More significantly, Marcel still needed to prove that he was the real McCoy to the mighty American market, the heartland of boxing. Hearsay and glowing reports from abroad were all well and good, but the Frenchman needed to go to America and parade his wares before the sport’s biggest and most influential audience. His response to that challenge, and the style and panache with which he stated his case, quickly brought a smile of satisfaction to Uncle Sam’s rugged old features.

Cerdan was booked to meet the clever, sharp-shooting Georgie Abrams at Madison Square Garden on December 6, 1946. Training in the sweaty and sweltering confines of the Catholic Youth Organization gymnasium in the heart of downtown New York, Marcel became a great source of fascination to the American boxing writers.

NEA staff correspondent Ned Brown wrote of him: “Cerdan is a rugged mixer, digging in, throwing straight, short punches incessantly from all angles, never clinching, seemingly tireless.”

Brown also noted Cerdan’s incredible quickness and unswerving commitment. “I never saw a fighter train like he does. On a hot and humid day, the five windows of the gym were shut tight and the pungent smell of the sweat of many fighters was in the air. But Cerdan worked and breathed as if he were in a sylvan suburb.”

Marcel had based himself in the Long Island suburb of Flushing and argued that he got all the fresh air he needed there. He didn’t care for crowds and worked quietly in the gym with manager and trainer, Luciano Roupp, who took on the additional role of sparring partner. Wearing big gloves, Cerdan stalked and attacked Roupp with thought and purpose, switching his attack from head to body as Roupp raised his guard or stepped back from punches when necessary.

Marcel pounded the heavy bag with mean intention, but eased up when entertaining several of the amateurs in the gym who volunteered to spar with him. Those in the know saw at once that Cerdan was one tough fellow. Speaking of his youthful street brawls back home with the Arabs who came to test his mettle, Marcel explained simply, “You had to fight or get your head knocked off.”

Older reporters who had seen the past greats began comparing Cerdan to the Australian ace, Les Darcy. Others described Marcel as a French-African Ace Hudkins.

Against Georgie Abrams, in a ferocious and bloody contest over ten rounds, Cerdan thrilled his American audience and surpassed all the high expectations of him. Abrams was nobody’s fool. Five months later, he would lose a split decision to welterweight king Ray Robinson at the Garden, a verdict so disputed by the crowd that Robbie would have to listen to a chorus of boos for one of the few times in his golden career. Ray would remark on how difficult it was to hit Georgie with a clean shot. Abrams was a mean hitter too, having decked Tony Zale in their 1941 fight.

The 30-year old Cerdan hit Abrams with plenty before a crowd of 16,971, even though Georgie, at 28, held the advantages in youth, height, weight and reach. Marcel never stopped throwing punches and rallied viciously whenever the tide turned against him. He was staggered by a right uppercut in the eighth round, but powered back to sweep the ninth and tenth frames with a sustained attack. Cerdan scored the only knockdown of the fight in the ninth when a big left hook to the stomach bent Abrams in half and caused his gloves to touch the canvas.

The speed and power of Marcel’s varied hooking attacks prevented Georgie from making the most of his effective jab and long, stinging right crosses until the second half of the fight. Cerdan had contracted a heavy chest cold in training for the bout, which had given him considerable muscular pain and prevented him from working out with professional sparring partners. The lack of sufficient preparation showed in his wildness. He missed with many of his punches and slipped to one knee in the seventh round after falling short with a right hand haymaker. Yet his pedestrian moments couldn’t mask his very obvious talent. The American fight fraternity was impressed and wanted more.

Harold Green

Cerdan enjoyed contrasting fortunes in his next two American appearances. He won both fights but in very different ways. He was back at the Garden on September 28, 1947, crossing swords with the talented and skilful Harold Green of Brooklyn, who had already fashioned quite an impressive portfolio at the tender age of twenty-two.

Harold had twice decisioned Rocky Graziano, although Rocky had all but balanced the scales in their third match with one booming right that put Green down for the count. Harold had bounced back to win five straight coming into the Cerdan match, but the New Yorker ran into a firestorm against the blazing Frenchman.

It was in this short-lived contest that Marcel proved himself a ruthless finisher. Knocking out Green was not an easy thing to do. Only Cerdan, Graziano, Johnny Greco and Paddy Young managed the feat in Harold’s 88 fights.

The electricity of excitement surged through the Garden crowd of 18,116 when Cerdan struck with a burst of sudden fury in the second round. Mounting a sustained head attack that persisted for some thirty seconds, Marcel broke Green with a crunching right hook to the jaw that spun the youngster sideways and buckled his knees. Harold was in no fit state to continue and the fight was called off after 2.19 seconds of the round.

Cerdan had notched another quality victory and once again his name was praised in sports pages across the great American divide. Here was a Frenchman who fought like an American! He could do it all! Spectacular!

Well, every great fighter has a few bad nights and Marcel most certainly had one of his in his next outing. It wasn’t bad at all for the first nine rounds against the rugged and dangerous Anton Raadik, memorably described by one reporter as a ‘rampaging Estonian.’ Raadik did indeed rage, but Marcel raged more to carry a comfortable points lead into the tenth and final round at the Chicago Stadium.

Then the gods gripped hold of the rug under Cerdan’s feet and gave it an almighty tug. Raadik began to catch Marcel with head punches. Repeatedly so. Worryingly so. Cerdan’s American trainer, Lew Burson, must have felt his stomach bouncing off his shoes.

It had to happen and it did. A right from Raadik knocked Cerdan down and very nearly through the ropes. Marcel jumped up right away but couldn’t get out of the firing line as his hunter surged forward, firing a combination of punches. Cerdan was driven around the ring and decked again for a count of four. Raadik saw his chance of glory and moved in to grab it with both hands. Back-tracking into a trap of his own making,

Cerdan was corralled in a neutral corner as Anton let rip with all he had. A left-right combination caused Marcel to bounce off the ropes and fall for the third time. A less rugged fighter would probably have gone under at that point, but the Frenchman was back on his feet after a ‘five’ count. The bell sounded to end the fight and a dazed Cerdan trudged back to his corner. Manager Lew Burson cradled him in his arms and cried on his shoulder. Both men were clearly shattered by the shocking turn of events. The unanimous decision in Marcel’s favour failed to cut through the gloom in his corner.

Maybe the Casablanca Clouter wasn’t all he was cracked up to be after all. Maybe he wasn’t such a threat to world champion, Tony Zale.

Zale at Roosevelt Stadium

Cerdan was made of stern stuff. All those street fights in his youth had grounded him well in the tough discipline of overcoming adversity. He went back to Paris while he continued to wait patiently for his shot at Zale. In January 1948, Marcel retained his European title with a blistering second round knockout of Giovanni Manca. Less than a month later, the challenge of Jean Walzack was terminated by way of a crushing fourth round kayo.

Two more victories followed before the next blip, which might well have been the oddly fortuitous defeat that convinced the Zale camp that Cerdan was a safe enough challenger. Marcel lost his European title on points to rugged Belgian Cyrille Delannoit, who carried the nickname of ‘Tarzan’ and had already gained a pair of decisions over the rising Laurent Dauthuile.

Cerdan quickly balanced the scales, outscoring Delannoit in another 15-rounder, but Marcel’s American admirers must have wondered if he was truly the man to dethrone Zale, Two months after setting the record straight against Delannoit, Cerdan answered the big question in the warm and throbbing atmosphere of the Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City.

The powerful Frenchman was never better than on that night of September 21, a raging inferno of aggression and deceptive grace. Attacking Tony with intelligence and viciousness, Marcel took control of the fight virtually from the outset as he repeatedly surged forward with an array of punches that jarred and jolted Zale and never allowed him to settle.

Tony must have wondered where the tornado had come from. He marched from his corner full of confidence at the opening bell, looking relaxed and assured as he fired off punches at his thicker-set challenger. Cerdan, protecting himself ably, waited for a pause in the storm and then erupted with a two-fisted attack that staggered the champion and forced him on the retreat. Zale never got back into the fight. Bewildered by the speed and accuracy of Cerdan’s crashing right hands, Tony was sometimes outpunched by a ratio of three or four to one as the steady beating from Marcel became more intense with the passing rounds. Cerdan would frequently feint with the right, causing Tony to shift into the firing line for the left hook.

Zale never did lose his withering look of the cold assassin. Nor did he stop punching back. He simply couldn’t make any progress. Those of his punches that were not slipped or blocked were unable to check Marcel’s progress. The Frenchman had set a torrid pace and Tony began to wilt. Mustering all his old know-how, the brave champion had no option but to clinch and muddle his way through the rounds, confining his replies to brief and ineffective bursts of punching.

By the eleventh round, Tony was holding and hustling desperately when a right uppercut finally unhinged him. In one of the most poignant vignettes ever seen in the boxing ring, Zale tried heroically to remain on his feet as he slumped against the ropes. Then sheer exhaustion cut his strings and he collapsed to his knees as his handlers rushed to his aid.

It was four o’clock in the morning in Paris when Cerdan’s many fans received the news that their man was the new middleweight champion of the world. In the Montmartre section of town, a big crowd gathered and celebrated joyously. In nightclubs and little street cafes, Cerdan was toasted. People poured onto the streets to discuss the fight after hearing the broadcast on French radio.

In the Roosevelt Stadium, Cerdan was dazed and uncertain how to react as the stunned pro-Zale crowd gradually drank in the greatness they had seen and gave a roar of appreciation for the new monarch. Accompanied by a phalanx of police offers, Marcel took a good ten minutes to hustle his way through the long tunnel from the baseball dugout to his dressing room.

“I go home in about two weeks but then I come back here,” said the overjoyed Cerdan in his broken English. He would come back to lose in the cruellest of circumstances. And then he would never come back again.

When the classic Humphrey Bogart movie, ‘Casablanca’, was made in 1942, Marcel Cerdan was still plying his trade in that neck of the woods, learning the ropes before his graduation to bigger arenas in bigger places. One wonders what old Bogey made of a fellow tough guy like Cerdan.

Here’s looking at you, kid.


Mike Casey is a boxing journalist and historian. He is a member of the International Boxing Research Organization (IBRO), an auxiliary member of the Boxing Writers Association of America and founder and editor of the Grand Slam Premium Boxing Service for historians and fans (http://www.grandslampage.net).

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 04 Nov 2008, 14:32
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:Frankie Crawford best described Conrad this way . . . "He has a heart that's the size of a pea". Bob Conrad's name kind of equates to a bad joke in L.A. boxing. Unfortunatly for Bob, his health is failing after a serious accident a few years ago. He no longer lives in Southern Cal, and from what I hear is crippled. I will say this, when I was a kid, I loved watching his Tv show "The Wild Wild West". I visited the set of that production with my grandfather at the CBS Studio Center back in the mid-60's, where they shot on stage 5. On stage 3, "Gunsmoke" was in production, and on stage 9, "Gilligan's Island". By the way, after years of little use, the old "Gilligan's Lagoon" set on the CBS backlot, was finally drained, filled with earth and today is a parking lot.

-Rick Farris
Rick, do you ever do any work at Universal? I am a big Lon Chaney fan - have many of his old silents on dvd, etc. I understand that portions of the set in which he shot The Phantom of the Opera still exist on the Universal lot (mostly the balconies from the Opera House), and the tank in which they shot the water scenes, still exist on one of the stages. Do you know if that's the case?