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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 13:33
by bennie
York Hall, for those of you who don't know, is our Olympic. It's based in Bethnal Green in East London, a stone's throw from where the Krays were raised, and has a great arched entrance and a great balcony and there really isn't a bad seat in the house.
I know one thing, though, it is bloody warm in there.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 13:52
by Chuck1052
No one would say that Ernest Tubb was that good of a singer in a technical sense, but I must say that I enjoy his records. Unlike many of the more recent Country singers, Tubb had very distinctive singing style and performed in a straight-from-the-shoulder manner. In addition, I have read Tubb had quite a bit of stage presence and had a tremendous relationship with his fans, who were very devoted to him and vis-versa.
- Chuck Johnston
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 13:57
by Chuck1052
It is my understanding that Maxine Cates died in a fire in a brothel in Juarez, Mexico during the middle 1920s.
- Chuck Johnston
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 14:02
by raylawpc
That was my understanding too. I just couldn't remember where.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 15:39
by dagosd2000
Chuck1052 wrote:No one would say that Ernest Tubb was that good of a singer in a technical sense, but I must say that I enjoy his records. Unlike many of the more recent Country singers, Tubb had very distinctive singing style and performed in a straight-from-the-shoulder manner. In addition, I have read Tubb had quite a bit of stage presence and had a tremendous relationship with his fans, who were very devoted to him and vis-versa.
- Chuck Johnston
Chuck
Back in the 30's,40's,and 50's,C @W stars had sidekicks like,Pat Buttram,Pat Brady,Smiley Burnette,Slim Graswell,Gabby Hayes. These guys were funny. It was traditional in a sense. I know Marshall Dillon didn't sing,but he needed a Chester or a Festus to compliment him.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 15:57
by dagosd2000
THE CISCO KID FUE UN AMIGO MIO
The Cisco Kid was the first Western to be filmed in color . Duncan Renaldo was Cisco and my pal Leo Carrillo was Pancho. Talk about a sidekick. In real life Carrillo spoke impeccable English,but he's always remembered for playing Pancho in The Cisco Kid. His family was "Californios". Mexicans whose roots were in California. His family owned huge amounts of land in California,especially in San Diego.
Leo Carrillo also played the part of "Sierra" in the 1934 film ,"Viva Villa" with Wallace Beery playing Pancho Villa. This film,in my opinion,captures the personality of Villa better than any other film. Even Mexican renditions. It shows the humorous side of The Centaur Of The North.Many Mexican film historians agree with this point of view.
Sierra was supposed to represent Villas second in command,the brutal Rodolfo Fierro. This man had no sense of humor. They called him the "Butcher."
I show the "Cisco Kid" sometimes to my classes when we have time. Since 90% of my students are Chicano or Mexican they are interested seeing these episodes. They are surprised that Mexicans are the good guys and White guys are the bad guys. And Cisco and Pancho win all the fist fights they have with the White guys. This was 1954. People had no problem with the show.
"OHHHH Pancho"
"OHHHH Cisco"
And they'd ride off into the sunset.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 20:44
by Randyman
bennie wrote:York Hall, for those of you who don't know, is our Olympic. It's based in Bethnal Green in East London, a stone's throw from where the Krays were raised, and has a great arched entrance and a great balcony and there really isn't a bad seat in the house.
I know one thing, though, it is bloody warm in there.
Classy looking joint Bennie. Even at it's best, our Olympic Auditorium never looked quite this good. Still, it had it's own charm.
Randy
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 20:55
by Randyman
I just had my once a week Italian meal today. It was a delicious meatball sandwich with peppers, tomato sauce and mozzarella, on good Italian bread. On the side I had marinated mushrooms and artichokes. Jeri and I ate at Lascari's in Whittier. All their food is good, but the ravioli, lasagna and spaghetti and meatballs are my favorites, along with the sandwiches. When it comes to sandwiches, no one does it better than the Italians. Although, a torta, when done right comes pretty close.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 21:12
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:Randyman wrote:kikibalt wrote:I bet that Rick can tell us some stories about Conrad

Robert Conrad recalls his 'Wild Wild West' pal, and his favorite villains, as the series becomes a DVD set.
By Susan King
In the mid-1960s, there seemed to be plenty of guys named James running around blowing things up, foiling dastardly plans and making the planet -- and galaxy -- a safer place for Western-style democracies. And they all achieved this with a distinctive style.
British secret agent James Bond did it shaken, not stirred. Starship Capt. James T. Kirk did it with his middle initial. And U.S. Secret Service agent James West did it in very, very tight pants.
Fans of “The Wild Wild West," which originally aired on CBS from 1965-69, can revisit the fashion and the adventures of West with today's release of a 27-disc set that includes the entire series plus two made-for-television movies.
For Robert Conrad, who famously played West, the rugged federal agent charged with guarding President Ulysses S. Grant, it's a case of better late than never. Even though single-season sets are already out on DVD, the 73-year-old Thousand Oaks resident has seen only a handful. He said he was so busy shooting his series that he never had a chance to watch.
"I never really remembered them," said Conrad. "It's campy. It's fun."
Along with "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.," and "Get Smart," "The Wild West West" capitalized on the James Bond craze of the 1960s. In fact, when the show was originally pitched to the networks, it was described as "James Bond on horseback."
Like Bond, West -- and his adversaries -- had a cache of secret gadgets that audiences loved. There were guns concealed in his shoes and sleeves, exploding billiard tables, not to mention sci-fi torpedoes disguised as dragons with radio homing devices. And like Bond, West was a bachelor who rarely seemed far from a beautiful woman. Unlike Bond, West enjoyed male companionship as well with his sidekick Artemus Gordon (Ross Martin), a master of technology and disguises.
Just as Robert Vaughn and David McCallum had perfect chemistry on "U.N.C.L.E.," so did Conrad and Martin. The two had never met before the show.
"I knew he was quadruple bilingual and had a law degree," said Conrad. "I got to know him on the show. We had fun."
The series was hurt toward the last season when Martin suffered a heart attack and had to take a sabbatical. Several were brought in to be West's foil, but the chemistry "wasn't the same," said Conrad.
Another hallmark of the show was its villains, none more infamous than the brilliant, demonic Miguelito Loveless -- played by Michael Dunn, who was less than 4 feet tall.
"He stayed at my house when he came to town," said Conrad. "He came from New York and we were personal friends. On Saturday we had a touch football game. We played different studios and he was the referee. He refereed on a golf cart."
Dunn even had a drink named after him at a watering hole across the street from the studio. "It was real powerful drink," said Conrad. "He was real proud of it."
Conrad also remembered Boris Karloff guest-starring. "He was an icon. I watched him when I was a little boy and here he was playing one of the bad guys."
The show also attracted Peter Lawford and Sammy Davis Jr. -- "nobody turned down the show because they all liked it," added Conrad.
Bad ratings did not ultimately do in the show. Rather, it was a pledge by CBS' president to Congress to reduce violence on television.
These days, Conrad is officially retired from acting.
"For 20 years I made movies for television," said the actor, who is the father of eight. "I had my dog, my children, my grandchildren and friends of mine in the movies."
And that's not counting his TV series. "I had 'Hawaiian Eye' when I was a young man. I did 'West' when I was in my 30s and in my 40s, and I did 'The Black Sheep Squadron.' So what else was there?"
For the last year, he has had his own radio show, which airs on CRN Digital Talk Radio at 4 p.m. Thursdays.
"It's entertainment," he said. "The show is a blast."
Susan King is a Times staff writer.
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It's kind of dated now but when it was still fresh, during the 1960's, my father and I were big fans. I always enjoyed the fight scenes, which utilized (somewhat) boxing, as well as martial arts. I'm disappointed to hear that Conrad had a heart "the size of a pea".
Randy. . . Conrad doesn't have to great a rep in the film business. Like a lot of actors, he has a big ego, which is fine, however, Conrad was the kind of guy who became tougher when he was surrounded by his own group of stuntmen buddies. While managing Frankie Crawford, he would go out with the fighter and instigate fights in bars, etc. Conrad never would fight himself, but have his gang fight for him. In one such situation, he almost got Frankie killed. I have a lot of first hand info on this, he wasn't the kind of guy I imagine the men on this board would respect. This isn't gossip or my own personal opinion, it's fact to those of us who were around him. He wasn't the smallest man in the world, but he had a Napoleonic complex. I'm not here to trash Bob Conrad, but those who know him from TV have a quite different opinion about him than those who know him up close and personal.
-Rick
I believe you Rick. That's what disappoints me (not you, him). Conrad was one of those guys that I admired when I was a kid. I remember the old commercial with him. I think it was a battery on his shoulder. "I dare you to knock it off" or something close to that was his line. It became semi famous and often repeated. He certainly had a tough guy image.
I'm not surprised though. I know (not personally) many stars have a unreal image. The problem is, is that they start believing it. I know a lot of guys like that. There's a saying in Spanish (I know very little Spanish) that goes like this "Puro pedo, pero no caca" which translates to "All fart and no shit" which means "all talk and no action." Apparently, Conrad is a better actor than I gave him credit for.
Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 21:20
by dagosd2000
Randyman wrote:I just had my once a week Italian meal today. It was a delicious meatball sandwich with peppers, tomato sauce and mozzarella, on good Italian bread. On the side I had marinated mushrooms and artichokes. Jeri and I ate at Lascari's in Whittier. All their food is good, but the ravioli, lasagna and spaghetti and meatballs are my favorites, along with the sandwiches. When it comes to sandwiches, no one does it better than the Italians. Although, a torta, when done right comes pretty close.
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Yep Randy 'Ol Pal I know what you mean. When my parents were alive there was always pasta around. I'd come in and my mother would say something like, we have hamburgers,meat loaf,chicken wings,or spaghetti. I'd mull it over thinking,"Gee I haven't had chicken wings in a while. And sure love chicken wings. And then I'd say,'I'll have spaghetti.' "
One time in my wife's hometown in Mexico I almost went back on the plane to San Diego because I was having withdrawls from not having spaghetti. So my wife made it for me down there.
Many years ago my father sent me , my mother and sisters, and my grandmother to California on a vacation. We went to the Brown Derby Restaurant. We looked at the menu and there's no spaghetti. So my grandmother tells the waiter she wants spaghetti anyway. The waiter says we don't have spaghetti. My grandmother,being real grease ball,insists on having spaghetti. The waiter goes to the kitchen with the order. 30 minutes later he comes back with our food and spaghetti for my grandmother.
About 40 years later after the Derby closed they were talking to the former head chef on a talk show. He said he knew how to cook anything but spaghetti.
"If someone came in and ordered it,"he said. "I wouldn't have known how to make it."
He must of had a can of Chef Boy R Dee laying around that night when we came in.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 21:29
by dagosd2000
THINKING ABOUT A BOWL OF SPAGHETTI
I'm sitting here alone in my classroom. It's 5:30. It's parent conference night. It's the night the parents come in that you've sent notices to that their kids are failing. Not one parent has showed up. Maybe the the apple doesn't fall that far from the tree.
I think I'll go home in a while and eat a bowl of spagetti.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 21:51
by Randyman
dagosd2000 wrote:Randyman wrote:I just had my once a week Italian meal today. It was a delicious meatball sandwich with peppers, tomato sauce and mozzarella, on good Italian bread. On the side I had marinated mushrooms and artichokes. Jeri and I ate at Lascari's in Whittier. All their food is good, but the ravioli, lasagna and spaghetti and meatballs are my favorites, along with the sandwiches. When it comes to sandwiches, no one does it better than the Italians. Although, a torta, when done right comes pretty close.
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Yep Randy 'Ol Pal I know what you mean. When my parents were alive there was always pasta around. I'd come in and my mother would say something like, we have hamburgers,meat loaf,chicken wings,or spaghetti. I'd mull it over thinking,"Gee I haven't had chicken wings in a while. And sure love chicken wings. And then I'd say,'I'll have spaghetti.' "
One time in my wife's hometown in Mexico I almost went back on the plane to San Diego because I was having withdrawls from not having spaghetti. So my wife made it for me down there.
Many years ago my father sent me , my mother and sisters, and my grandmother to California on a vacation. We went to the Brown Derby Restaurant. We looked at the menu and there's no spaghetti. So my grandmother tells the waiter she wants spaghetti anyway. The waiter says we don't have spaghetti. My grandmother,being real grease ball,insists on having spaghetti. The waiter goes to the kitchen with the order. 30 minutes later he comes back with our food and spaghetti for my grandmother.
About 40 years later after the Derby closed they were talking to the former head chef on a talk show. He said he knew how to cook anything but spaghetti.
"If someone came in and ordered it,"he said. "I wouldn't have known how to make it."
He must of had a can of Chef Boy R Dee laying around that night when we came in.
When I was growing up, my mother made her own meatballs and tomato sauce. She isn't Italian but she did a good job with the tomato sauce. Back then we never called it spaghetti sauce. It was called either tomato sauce or Italian gravy. Sometimes she would make the meatball sandwiches. She learned to make this for my dad. He loved his Mexican food but he also loved his pasta. Again, back then, no one (at least in California) used the term pasta. Everything was either, spaghetti, linguine or macaroni. It was a simpler times. By the way, only the thick spaghetti will do.
After my father passed away in 1981 she stopped cooking all his favorites. That was the end of an era in our family. She began cooking healthier and in a more modern fashion. Once in a blue moon she'll make her Chile Verde. But the old days are gone. (sigh)

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 23:07
by Randyman
dagosd2000 wrote:Randyman wrote:I just had my once a week Italian meal today. It was a delicious meatball sandwich with peppers, tomato sauce and mozzarella, on good Italian bread. On the side I had marinated mushrooms and artichokes. Jeri and I ate at Lascari's in Whittier. All their food is good, but the ravioli, lasagna and spaghetti and meatballs are my favorites, along with the sandwiches. When it comes to sandwiches, no one does it better than the Italians. Although, a torta, when done right comes pretty close.
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Yep Randy 'Ol Pal I know what you mean. When my parents were alive there was always pasta around. I'd come in and my mother would say something like, we have hamburgers,meat loaf,chicken wings,or spaghetti. I'd mull it over thinking,"Gee I haven't had chicken wings in a while. And sure love chicken wings. And then I'd say,'I'll have spaghetti.' "
One time in my wife's hometown in Mexico I almost went back on the plane to San Diego because I was having withdrawls from not having spaghetti. So my wife made it for me down there.
Many years ago my father sent me , my mother and sisters, and my grandmother to California on a vacation. We went to the Brown Derby Restaurant. We looked at the menu and there's no spaghetti. So my grandmother tells the waiter she wants spaghetti anyway. The waiter says we don't have spaghetti. My grandmother,being real grease ball,insists on having spaghetti. The waiter goes to the kitchen with the order. 30 minutes later he comes back with our food and spaghetti for my grandmother.
About 40 years later after the Derby closed they were talking to the former head chef on a talk show. He said he knew how to cook anything but spaghetti.
"If someone came in and ordered it,"he said. "I wouldn't have known how to make it."
He must of had a can of Chef Boy R Dee laying around that night when we came in.
Chances are Rog, they sent out for it or sent one of their guys to pick it up at a local Italian restaurant. I doubt if anyone would do that today.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 23:19
by dagosd2000
You got it right Randy,IT"S GRAVY,NOT SAUCE.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 23:19
by dagosd2000
Is Frank OK? What's going on? Did I miss something?
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 06 Nov 2008, 23:36
by Randyman
dagosd2000 wrote:Is Frank OK? What's going on? Did I miss something?
Franks diabetes was acting up a few days ago.
http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f ... tart=10300
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 00:01
by raylawpc
Frank's a good guy. I hope and pray he'll be able to make it. He hasn't been on the board since yesterday morning.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 00:18
by Expug
I sure hope and pray Frank is feeling better and soon.
Frank, a certain buddy of yours is coming all the way from Chicago to meet you and the rest of the guys a week from Saturday.
We got stories and jokes to share my friend.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 04:20
by bennie
Randyman wrote:bennie wrote:York Hall, for those of you who don't know, is our Olympic. It's based in Bethnal Green in East London, a stone's throw from where the Krays were raised, and has a great arched entrance and a great balcony and there really isn't a bad seat in the house.
I know one thing, though, it is bloody warm in there.
Classy looking joint Bennie. Even at it's best, our Olympic Auditorium never looked quite this good. Still, it had it's own charm.
Randy
Believe me, Randy, the York Hall ain't classy. It's a real fight venue, a cockpit of a venue, and the action inside is well worth the struggle to get there through the London traffic, to find a parking spot and to put up with the unbearable temperatures. Every now and then trouble flares in the venue, simply due to the heat. We Brits aren't used to it.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 04:23
by bennie
raylawpc wrote:Frank's a good guy. I hope and pray he'll be able to make it. He hasn't been on the board since yesterday morning.

Yeah, the picture of the York Hall sidetracked me there for a minute. Thinking of you, Frankie.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 06:34
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:bennie wrote:York Hall, for those of you who don't know, is our Olympic. It's based in Bethnal Green in East London, a stone's throw from where the Krays were raised, and has a great arched entrance and a great balcony and there really isn't a bad seat in the house.
I know one thing, though, it is bloody warm in there.
Classy looking joint Bennie. Even at it's best, our Olympic Auditorium never looked quite this good. Still, it had it's own charm.
Randy
Bennie, thanks for sharing York Hall with us. This is the kind of information that I truly enjoy. Today, the featured actor in the TV production I'm involved with, Johnnie Lee Miller, and I talked boxing during a break. Johnny's from the U.K. and a boxing fan, so I asked him if he was familiar with York Hall, and his eyes lit up. "Yes, very much so, in Bethnal Green in East London. My father and I attended many a fight there when I was growing up." I showed him your post and photos on my lap top and he smiled, then shared a memory from his youth that had taken place there.
Bennie, your British boxing experience and knowledge is really appreciated here on the West Coast.
-Rick
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 06:42
by bennie
Rick Farris wrote:Randyman wrote:bennie wrote:York Hall, for those of you who don't know, is our Olympic. It's based in Bethnal Green in East London, a stone's throw from where the Krays were raised, and has a great arched entrance and a great balcony and there really isn't a bad seat in the house.
I know one thing, though, it is bloody warm in there.
Classy looking joint Bennie. Even at it's best, our Olympic Auditorium never looked quite this good. Still, it had it's own charm.
Randy
Bennie, thanks for sharing York Hall with us. This is the kind of information that I truly enjoy. Today, the featured actor in the TV production I'm involved with, Johnnie Lee Miller, and I talked boxing during a break. Johnny's from the U.K. and a boxing fan, so I asked him if he was familiar with York Hall, and his eyes lit up. "Yes, very much so, in Bethnal Green in East London. My father and I attended many a fight there when I was growing up." I showed him your post and photos on my lap top and he smiled, then shared a memory from his youth that had taken place there.
Bennie, your British boxing experience and knowledge is really appreciated here on the West Coast.
-Rick
The York Hall certainly has character, Rick. It is regarded as the spiritual home of British boxing and I noticed at an early age how fighters rarely buckle in the York Hall, when they might take the easy way out elsewhere. York Hall brings out the warrior in them and they fight their hearts out. I saw Terry Marsh fight there, four years before he became world champ. You could see he was a bit special. Recently, I've been privy to an "all access" pass in the place which means between fights I can slip out the back door, across the Old Ford Road (no easy task) and into a little shop for cans of pop.
Most of the sweltering punters are not so lucky.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 07:02
by Rick Farris
People are not always as they seem. I had a conversation with a flight attendant who used to make the LA - NYC run. He told me that the two biggest (^&)&^^*&^ on his flights were Lucille Ball and Andy Griffith. Yet the friendliest celebrity he ever served was Elizabeth Taylor. Based on their public persona, one might have thought just the opposite would be true.[/quote]
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Randy . . . I had to respond to this. The flight attendant was spot on regarding Andy Griffith. I did a few episodes of his last TV series, MATLOCK, around 1990, at Universal. People are shocked to think that Andy Griffith could be anything different than Andy Taylor of Mayberry, however, they forget that the people who appear on screen are ACTORS! In the case of Griffith, he was one helluva an actor, because off camera the guy is cold, rude and about as insensitive a prick as you could ever meet. Elizabeth Taylor is well liked by all from what I hear. I did a job with her many years ago but did not get to know her, however, her on-set behavior, attitude and total professionalism made working with her a nice experience. My Grandfather, on the other hand, finished his career in 1965 at Warner Bros. and the last feature he did was, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe". Taylor starred with her husband, Richard Burton in that one. I was about 13 at the time and recall my Grandfather driving me to the gym one weekend, telling me about Richard Burton and Liz Taylor on the set. "They are both drunk when they start work in the morning, and drink all day long. They never mess up a line and each take is better than the last." The movie won Oscars. They were never sober for one minute during the time they were in front of the camera. That was Hollywood in the day. Things have changed.
-Rick
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 10:03
by Randyman
Bennie, your British boxing experience and knowledge is really appreciated here on the West Coast.
-Rick
Indeed, it is appreciated. We Americans love our boxing and I know sometimes we think we invented it. Boxing was born in Great Britain. I enjoy hearing about boxing and boxers, and the arenas, from the U.K.. especially the lesser known fighters. Keep it coming!!
Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 07 Nov 2008, 10:23
by Randyman
Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.
Randy