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Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

bennie wrote:York Hall, for those of you who don't know, is our Olympic. It's based in Bethnal Green in East London, a stone's throw from where the Krays were raised, and has a great arched entrance and a great balcony and there really isn't a bad seat in the house.
I know one thing, though, it is bloody warm in there.

Classy looking joint Bennie. Even at it's best, our Olympic Auditorium never looked quite this good. Still, it had it's own charm.

Randy

Bennie, thanks for sharing York Hall with us. This is the kind of information that I truly enjoy. Today, the featured actor in the TV production I'm involved with, Johnnie Lee Miller, and I talked boxing during a break. Johnny's from the U.K. and a boxing fan, so I asked him if he was familiar with York Hall, and his eyes lit up. "Yes, very much so, in Bethnal Green in East London. My father and I attended many a fight there when I was growing up." I showed him your post and photos on my lap top and he smiled, then shared a memory from his youth that had taken place there.

Bennie, your British boxing experience and knowledge is really appreciated here on the West Coast.


-Rick

Randyman wrote:

Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy

Counter-puncher wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy

Great Britain comprises the 3 nations on the british mainland, England Scotland and Wales. No, English and British are NOT interchangeable- scots and welshmen get quite upset when you suggest this :)

The United Kingdom is Great Britain plus Northern Ireland, for the time-being anyway.

bollox wrote:Where's NI going?

Randyman wrote:

Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy

bollox wrote:Where's NI going?

raylawpc wrote:

bollox wrote:Where's NI going?

Its part of an island with a land mass of 31,521 square miles. I don't think its going anywhere.

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy

Yeah, it is confusing, Randy - I'm getting a tad confused just writing this post. England is a country, Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Northern Ireland is a country. Together they are known as Britain (or Great Britain, or the United Kingdom). People can thus describe themselves as British (but not 'Great' British, and we never say, "I'm from the United Kingdom or from the UK or from GB") if they live in one of those four countries, and in today's PC world, where 'race' scares the life out of politicians, 'British' is an increasingly common term, if rather too collective for the man on the street. In my experience people still prefer to be regarded as English, Scottish, etc, depending on their home countries. The Scottish in particular are particularly proud of their origins, as are the Welsh. In fact the Irish are too.
This leads me on to my final sentence (promise). It is easier to describe someone living in England as 'British' as it is someone living in Wales. I would describe David Haye, for example, a Londoner and thus obviously English, "British heavyweight hope David Haye" as opposed to "English heavyweight hope David Haye". I would never describe a Welshman as "British heavyweight hope", however, but "Welsh heavyweight hope...". The same applies to a Scottish and Northern Irish heavyweight. English is much more British than the other three nationalities, if that makes sense.

bennie wrote:F uck me, what a can of worms.

bennie wrote:F uck me, what a can of worms.

Randyman wrote:

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy

Yeah, it is confusing, Randy - I'm getting a tad confused just writing this post. England is a country, Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Northern Ireland is a country. Together they are known as Britain (or Great Britain, or the United Kingdom). People can thus describe themselves as British (but not 'Great' British, and we never say, "I'm from the United Kingdom or from the UK or from GB") if they live in one of those four countries, and in today's PC world, where 'race' scares the life out of politicians, 'British' is an increasingly common term, if rather too collective for the man on the street. In my experience people still prefer to be regarded as English, Scottish, etc, depending on their home countries. The Scottish in particular are particularly proud of their origins, as are the Welsh. In fact the Irish are too.
This leads me on to my final sentence (promise). It is easier to describe someone living in England as 'British' as it is someone living in Wales. I would describe David Haye, for example, a Londoner and thus obviously English, "British heavyweight hope David Haye" as opposed to "English heavyweight hope David Haye". I would never describe a Welshman as "British heavyweight hope", however, but "Welsh heavyweight hope...". The same applies to a Scottish and Northern Irish heavyweight. English is much more British than the other three nationalities, if that makes sense.

Well, at least I know it's not me. It really is confusing but I think I got it. Or at least I'm beginning to.

Randy

raylawpc wrote:

bennie wrote:F uck me, what a can of worms.

It is what it is . . . and its not exclusively your can of worms. Did you read the thread a few weeks back on the difference between a Mexican, Chicano, Tejano, and whether someone who is born in Mexico but rainsed in the US is a Mexican or a Chicago?

In the 19th-century, the same problem existed in Scandanavia.

Randyman wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

bennie wrote:F uck me, what a can of worms.

It is what it is . . . and its not exclusively your can of worms. Did you read the thread a few weeks back on the difference between a Mexican, Chicano, Tejano, and whether someone who is born in Mexico but rainsed in the US is a Mexican or a Chicago?

In the 19th-century, the same problem existed in Scandanavia.

I was thinking the same thing. I wrote what I feel is a good explanation of the term Chicano, a few years on my family blog here:
http://cafedelao.blogspot.com/2006/08/chicano.html

Tell me about it, Randy. I slagged off the French - totally confident I was on safe ground - and it turned out everyone on here is related to the French.

raylawpc wrote:delete

bennie wrote:

raylawpc wrote:delete

Ray, stop 'pulling' your posts.

Call an Englishman 'British' and you will be OK, Randy. Call a Scot 'British', or a Welshman 'British' or a Northern Irishman 'British' and it doesn't sit so easily.
Perhaps it would be best if you just posted some more pics of the glamorous Jeri, Randy.

raylawpc wrote:Anybody else on here a little worried about Frank? He's on here all the time (unless he's off fishing), but I don't think he's posted anything since yesterday morning. I hope he got his diabetes under control.

Randyman wrote:

Call an Englishman 'British' and you will be OK, Randy. Call a Scot 'British', or a Welshman 'British' or a Northern Irishman 'British' and it doesn't sit so easily.
Perhaps it would be best if you just posted some more pics of the glamorous Jeri, Randy.

Here you go Bennie. These photos are from the seventies.

bennie wrote:True.
Anyone here interested in Calzaghe-Jones tomorrow? Jones looks old, Calzaghe looks the favourite. If it's fairly close, however, or just goes the distance, Jones might get all the luck in the world.
He promotes as well as fights.