The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time

[Jaywheel]

Had he a rival equal to Rosendo Alvarez at his weight class?

Robin Reid I guess. In both instances, the undefeated overrated fighter was gifted the win.

[elmersalsa]

Ottke only had 21, so he should be ignored. You have to have 22 to considered one of the greats. Thought everyone knew that.

Did he unified the crown?
Did he win another crown in an upper weight class?
Had he a rival equal to Rosendo Alvarez at his weight class?

Ottke won the belt after only 19 months as a pro then had 21 title defenses before retiring undefeated. He has as much claim as others you have listed as a top 100 fighter

Not in a diluted 2000s era. Thanks.

[tiny_acres]

Did he unified the crown?
Did he win another crown in an upper weight class?
Had he a rival equal to Rosendo Alvarez at his weight class?

Ottke won the belt after only 19 months as a pro then had 21 title defenses before retiring undefeated. He has as much claim as others you have listed as a top 100 fighter

Not in a diluted 2000s era. Thanks.

If it was so easy in today's landscape. Then why are champions not having 21 defenses on average?

[elmersalsa]

There are a lot of fighters since the 1990s that won 3 or more belts in different weight classes. How do you consider them greats?

Some of them had defended the crown more than 20 times like in the case of Sven Ottke. Why he was not even in the conversation as one of the all-time greats of the sport?

Winning 3 world belts in 3 different weight classes is not a big deal now. The organizations and the commissioners of the sport had diluted the boxing talent since the 1980s. Any boxer could take the easy way out nowadays and become a triple crown champion. Especially, in the lower weights from strawweight to super bantamweight. In that area alone, there are about at least 15 champions by different organizations!

So Chocolatito Gonzalez is an all-time great and is better than the great Carlos Monzon because Gonzalez have 4 crowns and Monzon only one?

Should GGG be better than Monzon, since he had 20 straight defenses at middleweight won by KO?

We have to look at the whole picture and situations of the things surrounding them.

It has been very ridiculous naming someone from this era of the past 30 years and call them all-time greats. If it were like that, then a lot of triple crown champions from the Oriental side of the world should be locked in as top 100 all-time pound per pound greats. A lot of them have won more than 3 titles in 3 different weight classes.

What is an all-time great for me might not be an all-time great for you and vice versa. I am choosing the REAL 100 ALL-TIME GREATS of this sport has seen since 1882. I have done a lot research for the past 22 years. Some records of fighters are extremely extraordinary that cannot be discounted. Some boxing historians choose their guy maybe because the fighter was white. When I see the white fighter's record, I am not impressed at all. How did that fighter is an all-time great?

I go by the accomplishments of the fighters. What they have achieved in boxing and the durability of each one selected. Some accomplishments are so extraordinary that the fighter is indeed self explanatory in why he's an all-time pound per pound great boxer.

So, so far, of the 33 boxers that I have selected in the countdown, to me, are real all-time greats. Some of them do not appear in other people's lists. It doesn't matter. It doesn't bother me. I have realized that every list is not the same.

So, from 100 to 77 so far, which fighter in your view in my list is not an all-time pound per pound great? We could discuss about it. But, I am very confident of the choices. I believe that their accomplishments were so great that they got to be on the list.

Thanks.

[oogiebe]

33 boxers in 31 months.

[elmersalsa]

33 boxers in 31 months.

Thanks for your input. I have learned a lot in the past 31 months. Believe me.

[Jaywheel]

You haven't learned how to count. From 100 to 77 = 33 fighters

[oogiebe]

You haven't learned how to count. From 100 to 77 = 33 fighters

HA!!! Didn't even think to redo his math! So 23 fighters in 31 months. Egad this is going to continue until kingdom come.

[orbtastic]

At this rate they’ll all be dead by the time the thread ends.

[elmersalsa]

At this rate they’ll all be dead by the time the thread ends.

Thanks. Let's learn about the great Manuel Ortiz

[Ambling Alp II]

Sounds like a great idea. However, let it be something that we can't find out from the boxrec database or wikipedia like you have been doing. And move on to the next guy in a week.

[elmersalsa]

At #76, we got the great Manuel Ortiz!

#76. Manuel Ortiz
Record: 99-28-3, 53KOs
KO Pct is 54%
Career: 1938-55
World Titles Held: Two-time World Bantamweight Champion (1942-47, 1947-50)
Highlights: Two-time World Bantamweight Champion that made 20 title defenses in 2 reigns (15 of them were in the first reign). Lost one fight in 17 contests from October 1939 to June 1941. From November 1941, to July 1946, lost one fight in 46 contests, winning 28 in a row from November 1941 to June 1944. In that time frame, he won along the way the California State and World Bantamweight championships. The ONLY MAN to beat him in that span was the great featherweight champion Willie Pep, who is one of the greatest fighters ever.
After the loss to Pep, went unbeaten in 17 straight fights, winning 12 in a row.
Beat 6 out of 9 world champions. Record vs world champions is 9-8, 1KO. Only fought 1 hall of Famer (Pep),
Was stopped only once in 131 fights. Has a record of 21-2, 11KOs in world championship bouts.

Historical Impact: First Mexican-American or Chicano to become a boxing world champion. The best bantamweight fighter of the 1940s decade. Considered by boxing historians as the greatest Mexican-American or Chicano fighter of all-time. Also, he is one of the greatest bantamweight boxers ever.

Defining Fight: W12 Lou Salica (II)....August 7, 1942...."Avenges early defeat and starts a terrific world championship run"
Other Defining Fights: W10 Tony Olivera (II), L10 Willie Pep, WKO13 Luis Castillo (III), L15 Harold Dade, W15 Harold Dade (II), and L15 Vic Toweel


Your thoughts about this great champion.

[oogiebe]

my thoughts?

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[giacomino]

You haven't learned how to count. From 100 to 77 = 33 fighters

HA!!! Didn't even think to redo his math! So 23 fighters in 31 months. Egad this is going to continue until kingdom come.

At this rate we should be getting to Pedroza (surely his #1) in 2030

[tiny_acres]

my thoughts?

**unsubscribed**

I just come to this topic to complain. The list like it's creator are crap.

[elmersalsa]

As we noticed, Manuel Ortiz, the great bantamweight Chicano from California won the world crown in the same day that the great middleweight champion Carlos Monzon of Argentina was born. Very ironic!

[elmersalsa]

my thoughts?

**unsubscribed**

Why don't you show some respect about the great Manuel Ortiz? What do you think about him?

[elmersalsa]

You haven't learned how to count. From 100 to 77 = 33 fighters

HA!!! Didn't even think to redo his math! So 23 fighters in 31 months. Egad this is going to continue until kingdom come.

At this rate we should be getting to Pedroza (surely his #1) in 2030

Eusebio Pedroza is at #95. A great champion that didn't get the props he deserved.

[oogiebe]

HA!!! Didn't even think to redo his math! So 23 fighters in 31 months. Egad this is going to continue until kingdom come.

At this rate we should be getting to Pedroza (surely his #1) in 2030

Eusebio Pedroza is at #95. A great champion that didn't get the props he deserved.

Who can remember so long ago!

[giacomino]

HA!!! Didn't even think to redo his math! So 23 fighters in 31 months. Egad this is going to continue until kingdom come.

At this rate we should be getting to Pedroza (surely his #1) in 2030

Eusebio Pedroza is at #95. A great champion that didn't get the props he deserved.

How is it possible El Señor Ball Punch isn’t #1? I demand a recount!

[margaret thatcher]

HA!!! Didn't even think to redo his math! So 23 fighters in 31 months. Egad this is going to continue until kingdom come.

At this rate we should be getting to Pedroza (surely his #1) in 2030

Eusebio Pedroza is at #95. A great champion that didn't get the props he deserved.

only 95th? what a bum

[elmersalsa]

At this rate we should be getting to Pedroza (surely his #1) in 2030

Eusebio Pedroza is at #95. A great champion that didn't get the props he deserved.

only 95th? what a bum

Well, you fight and see if you can get to the #100 contender in your weight class.

Being #95 pound per pound all-time is a great feat. No matter what.

[margaret thatcher]

man, 95th out of 100, he;s bottom of the barrel isnt he

[giacomino]

man, 95th out of 100, he;s bottom of the barrel isnt he

Biggest upset since Douglas beat Tyson that he didn’t have Pedroza #1. Now I have to wonder until 2030 who the greatest boxer of all time is, if I live that long

[elmersalsa]

man, 95th out of 100, he;s bottom of the barrel isnt hercct ccr

Yes, of 100 great ones, that is an accomplishment of itself. Eusebio Pedroza was a true boxing great champion.