Conor Benn - What Next?

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Kell Brook: "If Conor Benn Can Get Approval From BBBoC, Then Fight Can Definitely Happen"

“It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done, dealing with life as a normal person,” Brook told Evening Standard Sport.

“I’ve been so institutionalized into boxing. When that came to a complete end, I didn’t know how to go about my day-to-day things. I felt like my life had ended. Nobody was phoning me, telling me to eat this or go to sleep at this time. Nobody teaches you how to deal with retirement. They teach you how to become world champion, how to avoid shots and win a fight. But nobody prepares you for dealing with life after boxing.”

“I don’t like the guy,” Brook said. “That’s a fight I could get up for. He’s not even won a British title. Don’t get me wrong, he’s looking the part against fighters he should be beating. He’s got it all there, looks like he could go all the way. But if I go in there with him, I’d take that zero and turn it into a one.”

“I’m with the BBBoC. I don’t want to be in trouble with them for fighting Conor. If he can get approval from the board and the all-clear, then the fight can definitely happen. Until then, it won’t.”
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 07 Jun 2023, 03:05 Kell Brook: "If Conor Benn Can Get Approval From BBBoC, Then Fight Can Definitely Happen"

“It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done, dealing with life as a normal person,” Brook told Evening Standard Sport.

“I’ve been so institutionalized into boxing. When that came to a complete end, I didn’t know how to go about my day-to-day things. I felt like my life had ended. Nobody was phoning me, telling me to eat this or go to sleep at this time. Nobody teaches you how to deal with retirement. They teach you how to become world champion, how to avoid shots and win a fight. But nobody prepares you for dealing with life after boxing.”

“I don’t like the guy,” Brook said. “That’s a fight I could get up for. He’s not even won a British title. Don’t get me wrong, he’s looking the part against fighters he should be beating. He’s got it all there, looks like he could go all the way. But if I go in there with him, I’d take that zero and turn it into a one.”

“I’m with the BBBoC. I don’t want to be in trouble with them for fighting Conor. If he can get approval from the board and the all-clear, then the fight can definitely happen. Until then, it won’t.”
And its not hard to assume thats excatly what everyone will think and say , Best hope for Benn is the board , just give him a small ban and backdate it ,,
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I don’t see why boxing fans would want Benn to get off with a small ban? Presumably even a backdated 2 year ban would mean no fights until the end of next year! That’s probably as light as he should ever get. And Brook is damaged and shouldn’t be fighting professionally again. He’d just lose probably as badly as Khan lost to him. It’s just a waste of everyone’s time.
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polecateddy wrote: 08 Jun 2023, 07:22 I don’t see why boxing fans would want Benn to get off with a small ban? Presumably even a backdated 2 year ban would mean no fights until the end of next year! That’s probably as light as he should ever get. And Brook is damaged and shouldn’t be fighting professionally again. He’d just lose probably as badly as Khan lost to him. It’s just a waste of everyone’s time.
Not a waste of Benn's time though as he can then hail he is ready for the best in the world after defeating Brook. It's been done many times before.
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:stop:
MasterG wrote: 08 Jun 2023, 08:13
polecateddy wrote: 08 Jun 2023, 07:22 I don’t see why boxing fans would want Benn to get off with a small ban? Presumably even a backdated 2 year ban would mean no fights until the end of next year! That’s probably as light as he should ever get. And Brook is damaged and shouldn’t be fighting professionally again. He’d just lose probably as badly as Khan lost to him. It’s just a waste of everyone’s time.
Not a waste of Benn's time though as he can then hail he is ready for the best in the world after defeating Brook. It's been done many times before.
At every stage of Benn seemingly making moves/noise about imminent return either UKAD or The Board have effectively clipped his wings. As soon as any concerted effort to get Brook in a ring starts up, that warning about sanctioning trainers, promoters associated with the fight will blare out again. I don’t think he’s going to be allowed to circumvent this lengthy UKAD/Tribunal process he’s really only just begun.
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Worst thing Benn did is ripping up his licence , guaranteed to make sure he wouldn't weasel his way back easily
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MasterG wrote: 08 Jun 2023, 08:13
polecateddy wrote: 08 Jun 2023, 07:22 I don’t see why boxing fans would want Benn to get off with a small ban? Presumably even a backdated 2 year ban would mean no fights until the end of next year! That’s probably as light as he should ever get. And Brook is damaged and shouldn’t be fighting professionally again. He’d just lose probably as badly as Khan lost to him. It’s just a waste of everyone’s time.
Not a waste of Benn's time though as he can then hail he is ready for the best in the world after defeating Brook. It's been done many times before.
Are you serious?
Even if he did. It’d be tainted
If and I mean IF that ever happened
Surely it wouldn’t
I’d back Kell. As long as there are no covert weight restrictions.
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tony1234 wrote: 08 Jun 2023, 11:28 Worst thing Benn did is ripping up his licence , guaranteed to make sure he wouldn't weasel his way back easily
I suspect that is the only clever thing Benn did and I am guessing he was advised to do that. But it won't save him.
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Benn has just shared an article on Twitter from The Times newspaper saying a group of doctors and scientists have evidence showing he didn’t cheat
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Controversial wrote: 26 Jun 2023, 12:20 Benn has just shared an article on Twitter from The Times newspaper saying a group of doctors and scientists have evidence showing he didn’t cheat
😳😳😳
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This report is incredible: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cono ... -dgswkfd83

He's basically got a gene fault that means his body stores chlomofine(and estrogene) and the traces are consistent with food contamination. :o
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Blueprint wrote: 26 Jun 2023, 12:56 This report is incredible: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cono ... -dgswkfd83

He's basically got a gene fault that means his body stores chlomofine(and estrogene) and the traces are consistent with food contamination. :o
How did you read it as it comes up with a pay wall to view it
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The link from this tweet should work:

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let's get a 1000 page dossier on it
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btw that photo looks like it's a shoot for some inter racial , intergenerational gay gangbang
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I see Benn is being looked after top executive coach and public speaker Rene Carayol.

Carayol travels the world public speaking, He is a multi millionaire.

Carayol has for years looked for an avenue into boxing. He started off advising Ashley Theopsane. He also looked after Ricky Hatton for farewell fight when he lost to the russian. Also backed Ricard Poxon when Richard briefly dabbled in promoting. When I was David Haye he started to have an input to Davids future. Rene is a top bloke and does not suffer fools. He will tie the BBBofC in knots.

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Blueprint wrote: 26 Jun 2023, 13:05 The link from this tweet should work:


Cheers mate. Well that’s interesting!!
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Spud wrote: 26 Jun 2023, 13:12 I see Benn is being looked after top executive coach and public speaker Rene Carayol.

Carayol travels the world public speaking,

Carayol has for years looked for an avenue into boxing. He looked after Ricky Hatton for farewell fight when he lost to the russian. Also backed Ricard Poxon when Richard briefly dabbled in promoting. When I was David Haye he started to have an input to Davids future. Rene is a top bloke and does not suffer fools. He will tie the BBBofC in knots.

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is that boxing resume supposed to strike fear into the bbbc or something? backing ricky poxon's shortlived promotional career?

but ya, this is just a pr campaign basically, since benn's previous approach fell short

let's get eddie back on the mic gaping for conor and we're back at it
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Carayol boxing resume is not up to much but he is a formidable character. One not to be messed with.
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The article.....

A team of doctors and scientists believe they have gathered the evidence that proves Conor Benn did not take a banned substance.

Benn is facing up to a two-year ban after being formally charged by UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) for two positive drug tests last July and September, leading to the cancellation of his bout with Chris Eubank Jr in London.

While the World Boxing Council said in February that traces of a testosterone-boosting substance, clomiphene, had been caused by an “elevated consumption of eggs” and cleared Benn of wrongdoing, Ukad launched its own investigation on behalf of the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) and in March provisionally suspended the 26-year-old.

The situation was complicated by the fact that food contamination, and the illicit use in some countries of clomiphene to increase egg production in hens, had not formed part of Benn’s defence when specialist anti-doping lawyers sought to contest the positive tests recorded by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (Vada) on behalf of the WBC.

But Benn has since turned to a team of new advisers, led by the leading executive coach René Carayol MBE, and they are now ready to present evidence to both Ukad and the BBBoC that they believe will exonerate the boxer and allow him to return to the ring.

Carayol enlisted the services of Dr Mohammed Enayat, a London-trained GP and expert in functional and personalised medicine, who ran a series of tests on Benn. Enayat then asked an expert in anti-doping and a professor who is an authority on the pharmacology of clomiphene to review his findings in tandem with the data from Benn’s positive Vada tests.

Key, they explain, was the discovery that Benn’s urine sample contained clomiphene metabolites consistent with food contamination rather than the oral ingestion of the actual drug. “Without a question of doubt we’ve proved it’s contamination, 100 per cent,” said Enayat.

Benn has always insisted he is not a drug cheat.

According to the screening conducted by Enayat, Benn’s biology means that he is slow to metabolise a substance like clomiphene, and will therefore accumulate stores of the substance while also showing elevated levels of oestrogen as a result. Further to that, Enayat said Benn’s “testosterone levels would also be through the roof” if he was using clomiphene to dope, while he stores clomiphene longer than most people because of his genetics.

Dr Douwe de Boer, a biochemist and anti-doping expert based at the Maastricht University Medical Centre, Postbus, noted that the “concentrations of clomiphene and clomiphene metabolite concentrations were low”.

Dr Serkan Kahyaoglu, from the division of obstetrics and gynaecology at Ankara City Hospital in Turkey and an associate professor at the University of Health Sciences, looked more specifically at the possible source of the clomiphene contained in Benn’s samples.

Kahyaoglu has been published in more than 70 national and international journals and he cited published studies including one that “assessed human urinary clomiphene metabolites after consumption of eggs from clomiphene-treated laying hens and intake of clomiphene capsules”. While one group of volunteers was given clomiphene capsules, the other was given eggs obtained from an animal administration study with clomiphene.

“After consumption of clomiphene-containing eggs, (Z)-4-HC accounted for over 90 per cent of the hydroxy-metabolites,” Kahyaoglu said in the report he sent to Enayat and now seen by The Times.

“In contrast, in urine from eight out of nine participants who received an oral clomiphene tablet, (E/Z)-clomiphene citrate (Z)-3-HC, a metabolite of (E)-clomiphene, accounted for 80 per cent of HC metabolites.”

Kahyaoglu said that it was therefore possible to “distinguish clomiphene intake via contaminated eggs from the intake of oral clomiphene tablets or therapeutic dosages for doping purposes”.

He then states that “Conor Benn’s urine doping test results [from Vada] have confirmed that clomiphene 4-hydroxy metabolites of ‘M1 and M2’, which are (Z)-4-HC metabolites, were the main metabolites which were detected in the doping analysis test”.

This, he says, he was a “confirmatory sign” that his positive test “was a natural result of consumption of clomiphene-containing eggs”, pointing out that they can be detected four months after ingestion.

“It would be unfair to blame Conor Benn due to his positive doping test result for clomiphene,” Kahyaoglu concludes.

Since 2011 there has been a significant rise in clomiphene positives in sport. This has been noted by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) and Kahyaoglu says that the “reality poses a positive doping test risk for clomiphene to athletes who unintentionally consume this kind of eggs and/or muscle of chickens due to residual clomiphene remaining in these products.”

The Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has insisted that clomiphene is not used in British farming but Benn does travel and last month the trade magazine The Grocer highlighted the ongoing sale of overseas eggs in British supermarkets because of an egg shortage in the UK.

The British Egg Industry Council said that “consumers deserve better”. The industry body warned that unlike British Lion eggs, imported eggs were not deemed safe enough to be approved by the Food Standards Agency to be eaten runny or by vulnerable groups.

Benn’s career has been on hold since the BBBoC halted his £25 million catchweight fight with Eubank. Now, however, Carayol wants to share this new evidence in the hope Benn can return to his sport.

“There’s no point speaking to anyone if we can’t prove how it got in there and know what the way forward is,” he said. “But I hope we can have a conversation now.”

After going through the expert reports and his own findings, Enayat described himself as a “biological detective”. “I’m a physician, not a scientist,” he said. “Physicians apply the science to people and I’ve taken what I have to the scientists.”

Carayol said that what they have found “lends itself to contamination from food, and not a structured doping programme”. And both Carayol and Enayat believe the Benn case could have a significant impact on the anti-doping landscape.

“This raises the importance of individualised biological context when interpreting doping results,” Enayat said.

The research undertaken considers Conor’s unique biological make up, in the context that an individual has variations based on their genetics and lifestyle.

The initial part of the investigation is based on my experience in personalised medicine, looking to establish root causes for biological imbalance that ultimately yields disease or suboptimal human function.

In screening Conor, we sought to establish hormonal status alongside general biological systems function (eg immune, digestion, detoxification, metabolism etc).

We identified that Conor’s oestrogen levels were above optimal, suggesting a functional imbalance of oestrogen dominance.

In wider society this is becoming increasingly prevalent in both men and women, due to the increasing prevalence of synthetic chemicals that mimic oestrogen from food that we eat to the fragrances that we wear to the cleaning products we use. The human body processes these excess oestrogens through phases of detoxification processes in the liver.

This led us to look for Conor’s ability to process toxins, given the signs of oestrogen dominance together with the presence of trace amounts of clomiphene, which is a selective oestrogen receptor modulator, in his urine analysis from Vada.

The second stage of analysis looked at Conor’s detoxification epigenetics; testing the specific genes involved. I suspected impaired Phase I/II detoxification processes as it would explain the accumulation of said hormone and the drug, regardless of source.

Conor was found to have a variation in the particular gene responsible for processing clomiphene and oestrogen. These variations can arise in the replication of cells or passed down from one’s parents.

This gene fault would explain how he is testing positive for clomiphene at trace levels as well as why his oestrogen/oestradiol in blood is higher than optimal for a man his age. It is important to note that there were several other detoxification genes with milder variations that would contribute to impaired drug and hormone metabolism.

The two-step biological investigation confirmed that Conor would accumulate in his system, relative to others that didn’t have the genetic make up he had, more clomiphene and oestrogen. The final part of this investigation was to understand whether the amount he had tested positive for would correlate to contaminant by food or clomiphene taken as a prescription drug.

There are established studies confirming that in the egg industry, chickens are injected with clomiphene to stimulate egg production; and that the eggs can thereafter contain metabolites of clomiphene. If ingested these metabolites, or breakdown products, will enter the bloodstream and biology of the human.

We sought the support of two industry experts, published scientists in the pharmacology of clomiphene and an industry expert in doping, to review our findings in context of the Vada test results and lab packet of documents.

We wanted to better understand whether the levels and type of clomiphene metabolites detected, in VADA testing, supported or disproved this working hypothesis.

Professor Serkan Kahyaoglu is an authority in the pharmacology of clomiphene had cited a published study comparing ingestion of the drug clomiphene to eggs from chickens that had been injected with clomiphene. He established that the urinary metabolites from the participants varied from direct ingestion of the drug to eggs from clomiphene-injected chickens.

The conclusion from Professor Kahyaoglu is that the metabolites found in Conor’s urine, based on the data from Vada, are the very same metabolites that are found when the source of clomiphene is poultry. And at the same time confirmed that there were no metabolites in Conor’s urine identified from oral ingestion of clomiphene drug.

In summary, given the context of Conor and his slow metabolism and thus accumulation of clomiphene, together with the expert review of the actual metabolites and levels found in Conor’s urine, we believe unequivocally that the trace levels found originated from clomiphene induced eggs.

This raises the importance of individualised biological context when interpreting doping results where relevant.
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in laymans terms he is gonna get cleared to fight in the next few weeks and the eubank fight will be back on .
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So basicly Benn has scoured the world to come up with , his own self proclaimed experts who are going to find that there tests are excatly what he wants and needs to set him free . Bolocks add another 12 month on the bann for refusing to admit wrong and apolagize .

Hope he's spent all his money on lawyers and experts , ends up broke , then when eventually allowed to fight ends up fighting someone with apulse and getting sparked out .

Only thing i do agree with him about is what Eubank senior said , he is probably only guilty of not knowing WHAT his handlers were injecting him with , has Chris said its highly unlikely that he studied it , sourced it and injected it himself , his handlers would of been inolved , just a shame they can't get a bann has well . and he's just been too dumb , arrogant and stupid to believe he can get caught .
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Controversial wrote: 26 Jun 2023, 14:06 The article.....

A team of doctors and scientists believe they have gathered the evidence that proves Conor Benn did not take a banned substance.

Benn is facing up to a two-year ban after being formally charged by UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) for two positive drug tests last July and September, leading to the cancellation of his bout with Chris Eubank Jr in London.

While the World Boxing Council said in February that traces of a testosterone-boosting substance, clomiphene, had been caused by an “elevated consumption of eggs” and cleared Benn of wrongdoing, Ukad launched its own investigation on behalf of the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) and in March provisionally suspended the 26-year-old.

The situation was complicated by the fact that food contamination, and the illicit use in some countries of clomiphene to increase egg production in hens, had not formed part of Benn’s defence when specialist anti-doping lawyers sought to contest the positive tests recorded by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (Vada) on behalf of the WBC.

But Benn has since turned to a team of new advisers, led by the leading executive coach René Carayol MBE, and they are now ready to present evidence to both Ukad and the BBBoC that they believe will exonerate the boxer and allow him to return to the ring.

Carayol enlisted the services of Dr Mohammed Enayat, a London-trained GP and expert in functional and personalised medicine, who ran a series of tests on Benn. Enayat then asked an expert in anti-doping and a professor who is an authority on the pharmacology of clomiphene to review his findings in tandem with the data from Benn’s positive Vada tests.

Key, they explain, was the discovery that Benn’s urine sample contained clomiphene metabolites consistent with food contamination rather than the oral ingestion of the actual drug. “Without a question of doubt we’ve proved it’s contamination, 100 per cent,” said Enayat.

Benn has always insisted he is not a drug cheat.

According to the screening conducted by Enayat, Benn’s biology means that he is slow to metabolise a substance like clomiphene, and will therefore accumulate stores of the substance while also showing elevated levels of oestrogen as a result. Further to that, Enayat said Benn’s “testosterone levels would also be through the roof” if he was using clomiphene to dope, while he stores clomiphene longer than most people because of his genetics.

Dr Douwe de Boer, a biochemist and anti-doping expert based at the Maastricht University Medical Centre, Postbus, noted that the “concentrations of clomiphene and clomiphene metabolite concentrations were low”.

Dr Serkan Kahyaoglu, from the division of obstetrics and gynaecology at Ankara City Hospital in Turkey and an associate professor at the University of Health Sciences, looked more specifically at the possible source of the clomiphene contained in Benn’s samples.

Kahyaoglu has been published in more than 70 national and international journals and he cited published studies including one that “assessed human urinary clomiphene metabolites after consumption of eggs from clomiphene-treated laying hens and intake of clomiphene capsules”. While one group of volunteers was given clomiphene capsules, the other was given eggs obtained from an animal administration study with clomiphene.

“After consumption of clomiphene-containing eggs, (Z)-4-HC accounted for over 90 per cent of the hydroxy-metabolites,” Kahyaoglu said in the report he sent to Enayat and now seen by The Times.

“In contrast, in urine from eight out of nine participants who received an oral clomiphene tablet, (E/Z)-clomiphene citrate (Z)-3-HC, a metabolite of (E)-clomiphene, accounted for 80 per cent of HC metabolites.”

Kahyaoglu said that it was therefore possible to “distinguish clomiphene intake via contaminated eggs from the intake of oral clomiphene tablets or therapeutic dosages for doping purposes”.

He then states that “Conor Benn’s urine doping test results [from Vada] have confirmed that clomiphene 4-hydroxy metabolites of ‘M1 and M2’, which are (Z)-4-HC metabolites, were the main metabolites which were detected in the doping analysis test”.

This, he says, he was a “confirmatory sign” that his positive test “was a natural result of consumption of clomiphene-containing eggs”, pointing out that they can be detected four months after ingestion.

“It would be unfair to blame Conor Benn due to his positive doping test result for clomiphene,” Kahyaoglu concludes.

Since 2011 there has been a significant rise in clomiphene positives in sport. This has been noted by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) and Kahyaoglu says that the “reality poses a positive doping test risk for clomiphene to athletes who unintentionally consume this kind of eggs and/or muscle of chickens due to residual clomiphene remaining in these products.”

The Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has insisted that clomiphene is not used in British farming but Benn does travel and last month the trade magazine The Grocer highlighted the ongoing sale of overseas eggs in British supermarkets because of an egg shortage in the UK.

The British Egg Industry Council said that “consumers deserve better”. The industry body warned that unlike British Lion eggs, imported eggs were not deemed safe enough to be approved by the Food Standards Agency to be eaten runny or by vulnerable groups.

Benn’s career has been on hold since the BBBoC halted his £25 million catchweight fight with Eubank. Now, however, Carayol wants to share this new evidence in the hope Benn can return to his sport.

“There’s no point speaking to anyone if we can’t prove how it got in there and know what the way forward is,” he said. “But I hope we can have a conversation now.”

After going through the expert reports and his own findings, Enayat described himself as a “biological detective”. “I’m a physician, not a scientist,” he said. “Physicians apply the science to people and I’ve taken what I have to the scientists.”

Carayol said that what they have found “lends itself to contamination from food, and not a structured doping programme”. And both Carayol and Enayat believe the Benn case could have a significant impact on the anti-doping landscape.

“This raises the importance of individualised biological context when interpreting doping results,” Enayat said.

The research undertaken considers Conor’s unique biological make up, in the context that an individual has variations based on their genetics and lifestyle.

The initial part of the investigation is based on my experience in personalised medicine, looking to establish root causes for biological imbalance that ultimately yields disease or suboptimal human function.

In screening Conor, we sought to establish hormonal status alongside general biological systems function (eg immune, digestion, detoxification, metabolism etc).

We identified that Conor’s oestrogen levels were above optimal, suggesting a functional imbalance of oestrogen dominance.

In wider society this is becoming increasingly prevalent in both men and women, due to the increasing prevalence of synthetic chemicals that mimic oestrogen from food that we eat to the fragrances that we wear to the cleaning products we use. The human body processes these excess oestrogens through phases of detoxification processes in the liver.

This led us to look for Conor’s ability to process toxins, given the signs of oestrogen dominance together with the presence of trace amounts of clomiphene, which is a selective oestrogen receptor modulator, in his urine analysis from Vada.

The second stage of analysis looked at Conor’s detoxification epigenetics; testing the specific genes involved. I suspected impaired Phase I/II detoxification processes as it would explain the accumulation of said hormone and the drug, regardless of source.

Conor was found to have a variation in the particular gene responsible for processing clomiphene and oestrogen. These variations can arise in the replication of cells or passed down from one’s parents.

This gene fault would explain how he is testing positive for clomiphene at trace levels as well as why his oestrogen/oestradiol in blood is higher than optimal for a man his age. It is important to note that there were several other detoxification genes with milder variations that would contribute to impaired drug and hormone metabolism.

The two-step biological investigation confirmed that Conor would accumulate in his system, relative to others that didn’t have the genetic make up he had, more clomiphene and oestrogen. The final part of this investigation was to understand whether the amount he had tested positive for would correlate to contaminant by food or clomiphene taken as a prescription drug.

There are established studies confirming that in the egg industry, chickens are injected with clomiphene to stimulate egg production; and that the eggs can thereafter contain metabolites of clomiphene. If ingested these metabolites, or breakdown products, will enter the bloodstream and biology of the human.

We sought the support of two industry experts, published scientists in the pharmacology of clomiphene and an industry expert in doping, to review our findings in context of the Vada test results and lab packet of documents.

We wanted to better understand whether the levels and type of clomiphene metabolites detected, in VADA testing, supported or disproved this working hypothesis.

Professor Serkan Kahyaoglu is an authority in the pharmacology of clomiphene had cited a published study comparing ingestion of the drug clomiphene to eggs from chickens that had been injected with clomiphene. He established that the urinary metabolites from the participants varied from direct ingestion of the drug to eggs from clomiphene-injected chickens.

The conclusion from Professor Kahyaoglu is that the metabolites found in Conor’s urine, based on the data from Vada, are the very same metabolites that are found when the source of clomiphene is poultry. And at the same time confirmed that there were no metabolites in Conor’s urine identified from oral ingestion of clomiphene drug.

In summary, given the context of Conor and his slow metabolism and thus accumulation of clomiphene, together with the expert review of the actual metabolites and levels found in Conor’s urine, we believe unequivocally that the trace levels found originated from clomiphene induced eggs.

This raises the importance of individualised biological context when interpreting doping results where relevant.
back on the egg train :yay:
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Re: Conor Benn - What Next?

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stevec@france wrote: 26 Jun 2023, 14:23 in laymans terms he is gonna get cleared to fight in the next few weeks and the eubank fight will be back on .
Yes I think so. It does add a new layer to the debate but still leaves questions under answered like how did the eggs he ate have clomiphene in them when they are illegal in the UK? Also if its a genetic thing how come he's never tested positive in previous fights? But it will add enough doubt to clear him I'm sure.
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ya maybe after the 100th 'we've got some big news coming to exonerate conor' claim, it will finally happen
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