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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 10:48
by Expug
Hey guys, Im wondering,speaking of Mallanaggi- Hatton,how do you guys who are so familiar with The great Olympic Auditorium, think that Paulies hair drama would have been received in front of the Olympic crowd if that happened in say , 1974?
Hair extensions needing to be removed between rounds because they were causing problems.
Ive heard the Olympic crowd could get a little...boisterous. Those great fans probably wouldnt have appreciated Paulies ..style.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 11:35
by kikibalt
Expug wrote:Hey guys, Im wondering,speaking of Mallanaggi- Hatton,how do you guys who are so familiar with The great Olympic Auditorium, think that Paulies hair drama would have been received in front of the Olympic crowd if that happened in say , 1974?
Hair extensions needing to be removed between rounds because they were causing problems.
Ive heard the Olympic crowd could get a little...boisterous. Those great fans probably wouldnt have appreciated Paulies ..style.
Had Mallanaggi fought at the Olympic back in the 1970's, the crowd would not have put up with his show-boating, he would have been mob and given a hair cut in the parking lot, had his clothing taken off and he would had been made to run naked down Grand Ave....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 12:12
by kikibalt
Today, November 22, is the forty-fifth annivesary of President John F. Kennedy assassination, a day that I remember like if it was yesterday, I was 27 years old, I was working at Century Motors, A VW dealer, in Alhambar, Ca. when we heard the new, we all stood stunned, couldn't believe what we had just heard, after about an hour the owner of Century Motors got on the pa-system and we were told to go home , that he was closing up for a week, a few days later Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald, with Oswald's death and later Rudy's, the truth went to the grave with them.
There are lots of theories out there as to what really happened, but they're all hard to believe, beside, I'm not a big believer of conspiracies-theories.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 12:21
by dagosd2000
Randy
Just scoped it out. BEAUTIFULL!!!. The music,the pics,I can't thank you enough. What a nice gesture. You're a true PAL TO ALL OF US. Thanks Rog
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 12:27
by Randyman
Expug wrote:Hey guys, Im wondering,speaking of Mallanaggi- Hatton,how do you guys who are so familiar with The great Olympic Auditorium, think that Paulies hair drama would have been received in front of the Olympic crowd if that happened in say , 1974?
Hair extensions needing to be removed between rounds because they were causing problems.
Ive heard the Olympic crowd could get a little...boisterous. Those great fans probably wouldnt have appreciated Paulies ..style.
Paulies hair style and fighting style would not have went over too well at the Olympic. The fans were famous for ripping out the seats and throwing them, and that's when they were happy. Ricky Hatton is more in tune with what fight fans at the Olympic wanted. They would have appreciated him.
Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 12:28
by Randyman
dagosd2000 wrote:
Randy
Just scoped it out. BEAUTIFULL!!!. The music,the pics,I can't thank you enough. What a nice gesture. You're a true PAL TO ALL OF US. Thanks Rog
Thanks Rog!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 12:31
by Expug
Frank and Randy, thanks for the responses on Paulie.
I figured as much.
But you two put it beautifully as I knew you would.
Maybe a flying chair would knock a little sense into Paulie.
Flying objects sometimes do.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 12:40
by Randyman
Expug wrote:Frank and Randy, thanks for the responses on Paulie.
I figured as much.
But you two put it beautifully as I knew you would.
Maybe a flying chair would knock a little sense into Paulie.
Flying objects sometimes do.
Nothing like a solid flying object to set a man straight!!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 12:41
by kikibalt
Great job, Randy, like always.....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 13:16
by dagosd2000
AFICIANADOS
That's what they call Mexican "die hard" boxing fans. Don't let no one kid ya',they're into the sport. An "aficianado" has remarkable recall ,especially when it comes to Mexican fighters. In the U.S,it's alot of sports. Baseball,Football,Basketball,and so forth. In Mexico it was,or I hope still is,boxing. Soccer is big,but Mexican national teams don't fare well in international competition. Every town had an arena or a venue like a soccer stadium where there would be boxing matches. All the great legends in Mexico:Salas,Arizmendi,Bolanos,Olivares,Napoles,Sanchez, et al,honed their skills in towns like Villahermosa,San Luis Colorado,and Gomez Palacio. Then,if you passed those tests,it was a main event at the Arena Coliseo in Mexico City. The Madison Square Garden of the Republic.
You better know your stuff when talking with an "aficianado." They remember all the blows. Every round they can pull up from memory. And they see through the bull shit. If a Mexican fighter is dogging it in the ring,then they'll let out the "chifles." And if the "other guy" wins,then it's time to head for the doors before the "missles" start landing.
I talked of "Maromero" before. At first I thought that the "aficianados" would reject him. But he was a clown. A real clown. A tumbler(maromero) in his grandmother's circus in Mexicali. The "aficianados" knew it was a "put on". "Maromero" was acting like Chaplin,or better yet, Cantinflas. The world is not to be taken too seriously. The "aficianados" knew. They know a lot about a lot of things.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 13:25
by dagosd2000
Frank Baltazar is an "Aficianado"
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 13:57
by Rick Farris
Expug wrote:Hey guys, Im wondering,speaking of Mallanaggi- Hatton,how do you guys who are so familiar with The great Olympic Auditorium, think that Paulies hair drama would have been received in front of the Olympic crowd if that happened in say , 1974?
Hair extensions needing to be removed between rounds because they were causing problems.
Ive heard the Olympic crowd could get a little...boisterous. Those great fans probably wouldnt have appreciated Paulies ..style.
Pug . . . I was fighting there in the early 70's and the crowd got pretty wild. A haircut? Back then my last trainer, Mel Epstein, threatened to cut my hair off in the corner. Everytime I ducked my head, my hair would fly. I'd make a guy miss but when my hair flew it looked like the punch had landed. Epstein was pretty direct about his feelings regarding boxers hair in the 70's . . . "Those God Damn Beatles have ruined the country with their filthy long hair! Now we got fighters trying to look like those degenerate bastid's!" Epstein swore he'd trim my hair right in the corner if I didn't get it cut, but he never did.
Mel did have a point regarding the hair flying. When Duran fought Hagler, I taped the fight and would then replay it in slow/stop-action, which allowed me to see which punches landed and which ones just appeared to land but didn't. I discovered that Hagler rarely landed on Duran, that Roberto turned his head in a way that looked liked a punch hit him, but he'd make it miss. It was Roberto's flying hair as he turned his head that counted against him in the judging.
Frank, your boy's hair was long enough to fly when they were hit or moved their head. I know Frankie and Tony usually ended matters before the final bell, however, you recall seeing their hair fly when they got tagged, making the force of a light punch look far greater? In a close fight, it could make a difference in the eyes of judges. In retrospect, I must agree with cranky old Mel. I wonder if a few of the close decisions I lost might have gone the other way had I shorter hair?
-Rick
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 14:37
by Rick Farris
Randy . . .
Great job on the YouTube site! Thank you.
-Rick
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 14:43
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:Expug wrote:Hey guys, Im wondering,speaking of Mallanaggi- Hatton,how do you guys who are so familiar with The great Olympic Auditorium, think that Paulies hair drama would have been received in front of the Olympic crowd if that happened in say , 1974?
Hair extensions needing to be removed between rounds because they were causing problems.
Ive heard the Olympic crowd could get a little...boisterous. Those great fans probably wouldnt have appreciated Paulies ..style.
Pug . . . I was fighting there in the early 70's and the crowd got pretty wild. A haircut? Back then my last trainer, Mel Epstein, threatened to cut my hair off in the corner. Everytime I ducked my head, my hair would fly. I'd make a guy miss but when my hair flew it looked like the punch had landed. Epstein was pretty direct about his feelings regarding boxers hair in the 70's . . . "Those God Damn Beatles have ruined the country with their filthy long hair! Now we got fighters trying to look like those degenerate bastid's!" Epstein swore he'd trim my hair right in the corner if I didn't get it cut, but he never did.
Mel did have a point regarding the hair flying. When Duran fought Hagler, I taped the fight and would then replay it in slow/stop-action, which allowed me to see which punches landed and which ones just appeared to land but didn't. I discovered that Hagler rarely landed on Duran, that Roberto turned his head in a way that looked liked a punch hit him, but he'd make it miss. It was Roberto's flying hair as he turned his head that counted against him in the judging.
Frank, your boy's hair was long enough to fly when they were hit or moved their head. I know Frankie and Tony usually ended matters before the final bell, however, you recall seeing their hair fly when they got tagged, making the force of a light punch look far greater? In a close fight, it could make a difference in the eyes of judges. In retrospect, I must agree with cranky old Mel. I wonder if a few of the close decisions I lost might have gone the other way had I shorter hair?
-Rick
Rick, yes, the boys had long hair, and I did cut Tony's hair during an amateur fight (Jr Olympics) once, but their long hair was nothing like Paulie Magg. see pic. below.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 15:06
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Rick Farris wrote:Expug wrote:Hey guys, Im wondering,speaking of Mallanaggi- Hatton,how do you guys who are so familiar with The great Olympic Auditorium, think that Paulies hair drama would have been received in front of the Olympic crowd if that happened in say , 1974?
Hair extensions needing to be removed between rounds because they were causing problems.
Ive heard the Olympic crowd could get a little...boisterous. Those great fans probably wouldnt have appreciated Paulies ..style.
Pug . . . I was fighting there in the early 70's and the crowd got pretty wild. A haircut? Back then my last trainer, Mel Epstein, threatened to cut my hair off in the corner. Everytime I ducked my head, my hair would fly. I'd make a guy miss but when my hair flew it looked like the punch had landed. Epstein was pretty direct about his feelings regarding boxers hair in the 70's . . . "Those God Damn Beatles have ruined the country with their filthy long hair! Now we got fighters trying to look like those degenerate bastid's!" Epstein swore he'd trim my hair right in the corner if I didn't get it cut, but he never did.
Mel did have a point regarding the hair flying. When Duran fought Hagler, I taped the fight and would then replay it in slow/stop-action, which allowed me to see which punches landed and which ones just appeared to land but didn't. I discovered that Hagler rarely landed on Duran, that Roberto turned his head in a way that looked liked a punch hit him, but he'd make it miss. It was Roberto's flying hair as he turned his head that counted against him in the judging.
Frank, your boy's hair was long enough to fly when they were hit or moved their head. I know Frankie and Tony usually ended matters before the final bell, however, you recall seeing their hair fly when they got tagged, making the force of a light punch look far greater? In a close fight, it could make a difference in the eyes of judges. In retrospect, I must agree with cranky old Mel. I wonder if a few of the close decisions I lost might have gone the other way had I shorter hair?
-Rick
Rick, yes, the boys had long hair, and I did cut Tony's hair during an amateur fight (Jr Olympics) once, but their long hair was nothing like Paulie Magg. see pic. below.

Now that hair has GOT TO GO! Suddenly the spirit of Mel Epstein has invaded my mind . . .
"Look at the degenerate bastid! He's gotta spider's nest on top of his friggin' head! I hope Ricky Hatton kills him! Ya know, that Brits got a fighter's haircut and I hope he don't catch a disease from the yank, his filthy hair has got to be infested with them screw woims. It's all that f__kin' Ed Sullivan's fault. The bastid ruined the country when he brought them over here. And I'm glad Elvis is dead, too!"
-Rick
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 15:13
by Rick Farris
The UNCLE JOHN Connection????
Something just occured to me as I looked thru pics of the WBHOF event. Look at the photo taken of Uncle John at Mando Ramos' memorial, and compare it with photos of Gil King taken at the WBHOF event. Could "Uncle John" really have been Gil King in cognito for Mando's service???? Just curious.
-Rick
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 16:14
by kikibalt
British may ban 'happy hour' as drink deaths rise
LONDON – Britain is considering a ban on "happy hour" discounts at bars and restaurants to curb drinking, a spokesman said Saturday, as health advocates warned that a rise in liver-related deaths among young people may signal a future epidemic.
Health officials will decide on whether to ban the happy hours — designated times for discount drinks — once an independent policy review is published in coming weeks, a health department spokesman said on customary condition of anonymity.
The proposal was one of several aimed at stemming a trend in binge drinking in recent years, particularly among teenagers and young adults. The government also plans to spend 10 million pounds ($15 million) on a new public awareness campaign, and wants to improve enforcement of laws against underage drinking.
A health advocacy group said some of those young people were now showing signs of liver-related damage usually seen in older people.
Given that it can take 15 to 20 years for liver disease to develop, the British Liver Trust warned that the figures suggested the problem would only get worse.
"We're seeing a steep increase of deaths in people in their 20s and 30s," Trust spokeswoman Imogen Shillito said. "This indicates a big problem for many years to come."
National statistics show a steady rise in the number of alcohol-related deaths that typically fell heavy drinkers in their 40s and 50s who have abused alcohol for decades. From 1991 to 2006, the number of such deaths more than doubled to 8,758.
Alcohol-related deaths among people aged 25 to 29 were 40 percent higher in 2006 than the year before, Shillito said, citing national statistics.
Shillito said low prices for alcohol had helped encourage drinking among British youths, noting "they can buy alcohol with their pocket money."
The government plans to base its new alcohol policies, including possible new programs to help people reduce consumption, on the upcoming review by the School of Health and Related Research at the University of Sheffield.
Officials say the report should clarify whether retail practices lead to excessive drinking. They are considering a ban on a number of practices, including drinking games and speed-drinking events popular at some British pubs.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 16:41
by kikibalt
In the last week or so, we lost two long time L.A. managers/trainers,
Felix Villareal, Don Jordon's first manager and Ismael Rivera, who worked with
lots of Mexican fighters and who was also a long time L.A. barber.
See below.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 16:54
by kikibalt
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 16:55
by kikibalt
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 16:56
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:The UNCLE JOHN Connection????
Something just occured to me as I looked thru pics of the WBHOF event. Look at the photo taken of Uncle John at Mando Ramos' memorial, and compare it with photos of Gil King taken at the WBHOF event. Could "Uncle John" really have been Gil King in cognito for Mando's service???? Just curious.
-Rick
Rick
Seriously. Gil king has taken his beatings. When you talk about Uncle John,I remembered what Frank did at Mando's thing. Gil was taggin' along,talkin' about how Suey Welch robbed him. How his fight with(I forget who)was stopped too soon. How he was overlooked for a title shot. It was guys like King that the contenders and Champions had to get through. And now Gil King is paying for it. But this guy seemed happy. He wanted to hang with us. Who are we? Shit,this guy was in there giving and taking.
When we were walking to the lounge,I asked him if he wanted to join us. He smiled and walked with us. It was then that big Iranian showed up talking about how Klitscko didn't want to fight him. Then King engaged him in conversation. We went to the lounge while King was talking to the guy who had three fights in Mexico.
As they were shadow boxing,I was hoping King would have knocked him on his ass.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 17:29
by Expug
dagosd2000 wrote:Rick Farris wrote:The UNCLE JOHN Connection????
Something just occured to me as I looked thru pics of the WBHOF event. Look at the photo taken of Uncle John at Mando Ramos' memorial, and compare it with photos of Gil King taken at the WBHOF event. Could "Uncle John" really have been Gil King in cognito for Mando's service???? Just curious.
-Rick
Rick
Seriously. Gil king has taken his beatings. When you talk about Uncle John,I remembered what Frank did at Mando's thing. Gil was taggin' along,talkin' about how Suey Welch robbed him. How his fight with(I forget who)was stopped too soon. How he was overlooked for a title shot. It was guys like King that the contenders and Champions had to get through. And now Gil King is paying for it. But this guy seemed happy. He wanted to hang with us. Who are we? Shit,this guy was in there giving and taking.
When we were walking to the lounge,I asked him if he wanted to join us. He smiled and walked with us. It was then that big Iranian showed up talking about how Klitscko didn't want to fight him. Then King engaged him in conversation. We went to the lounge while King was talking to the guy who had three fights in Mexico.
As they were shadow boxing,I was hoping King would have knocked him on his ass.
That whole deal with that big Iranian rubbed me the wrong way.Im sure all of you felt the same way.
Who is he to be talking about fighting Klitschko?
Uncle John would kick his ass.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 17:49
by Randyman
Expug wrote:dagosd2000 wrote:Rick Farris wrote:The UNCLE JOHN Connection????
Something just occured to me as I looked thru pics of the WBHOF event. Look at the photo taken of Uncle John at Mando Ramos' memorial, and compare it with photos of Gil King taken at the WBHOF event. Could "Uncle John" really have been Gil King in cognito for Mando's service???? Just curious.
-Rick
Rick
Seriously. Gil king has taken his beatings. When you talk about Uncle John,I remembered what Frank did at Mando's thing. Gil was taggin' along,talkin' about how Suey Welch robbed him. How his fight with(I forget who)was stopped too soon. How he was overlooked for a title shot. It was guys like King that the contenders and Champions had to get through. And now Gil King is paying for it. But this guy seemed happy. He wanted to hang with us. Who are we? Shit,this guy was in there giving and taking.
When we were walking to the lounge,I asked him if he wanted to join us. He smiled and walked with us. It was then that big Iranian showed up talking about how Klitscko didn't want to fight him. Then King engaged him in conversation. We went to the lounge while King was talking to the guy who had three fights in Mexico.
As they were shadow boxing,I was hoping King would have knocked him on his ass.
That whole deal with that big Iranian rubbed me the wrong way.Im sure all of you felt the same way.
Who is he to be talking about fighting Klitschko?
Uncle John would kick his ass.
That must have happened on Friday, before I got there. Fill me in.
Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 17:53
by kikibalt
Thanksgiving
A man in Phoenix calls his son in New York the day before Thanksgiving and
says,"I hate to ruin your day, but I have to tell you that your mother and
I are divorcing; forty-five years of misery is enough.
"Pop, what are you talking about?" the son screams. We can't stand the
sight of each other any longer," the father says. "We're sick of each
other, and I'm sick of talking about this, so you call your sister in
Chicago and tell her."
Frantic, the son calls his sister, who explodes on the phone. "Like heck
they're getting divorced," she shouts, "I'll take care of this,"
She calls Phoenix immediately, and screams at her father, "You are NOT
getting divorced. Don't do a single thing until I get there. I'm calling my
brother back, and we'll both be there tomorrow. Until then, don't do a
thing, DO YOU HEAR ME?" and hangs up.
The old man hangs up his phone and turns to his wife. "Okay," he says,
"they're coming for Thanksgiving and paying their own way."
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 22 Nov 2008, 18:01
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Thanksgiving
A man in Phoenix calls his son in New York the day before Thanksgiving and
says,"I hate to ruin your day, but I have to tell you that your mother and
I are divorcing; forty-five years of misery is enough.
"Pop, what are you talking about?" the son screams. We can't stand the
sight of each other any longer," the father says. "We're sick of each
other, and I'm sick of talking about this, so you call your sister in
Chicago and tell her."
Frantic, the son calls his sister, who explodes on the phone. "Like heck
they're getting divorced," she shouts, "I'll take care of this,"
She calls Phoenix immediately, and screams at her father, "You are NOT
getting divorced. Don't do a single thing until I get there. I'm calling my
brother back, and we'll both be there tomorrow. Until then, don't do a
thing, DO YOU HEAR ME?" and hangs up.
The old man hangs up his phone and turns to his wife. "Okay," he says,
"they're coming for Thanksgiving and paying their own way."
Andale!