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kikibalt wrote:Hatton won, but he didn't look good in winning, Magg. again showed that he can't fight.

But at least he got a haircut.

Hatton is on the other side of the mountain now. He is right to cash in while he can.

Expug wrote:I really enjoyed Haugens career.He said a lot of humorous things also.
I remember at one point , I think it was in the third Haugen - Pazienza in the prefight interveiws he mentioned something about a hanger on of Vinnies who was a pro body builder trying to throw a scare into Haugen.
Greg said something like,"just cuz this guy is sticking needles in his ass , doesnt mean he can scare me". Something to that effect. It was funny as hell.

Haugen is hilarious. He nicknamed Vinny Paz, "Pizza face".

Rick Farris wrote:

Expug wrote:Well said Rick.
I could tell you were annoyed a bit with that guy and his Fedecaribe title or whatever it was.
But that aside, it was a great weekend and thankyou again for everything.
It was a great time spent together by friends.

Actually it's kinda fun watching the guy go thru his act. I love the way Rog described his bulging eyes. You know Brian, it was great to meet you face-to-face. I can't wait until next year. I'm putting Mike Tyson's name up for induction next year. Despite Mike's unpredictability during the last part of his career, I know for a fact he will show up at our event. Like him or not (and I do like Tyson) his presence will make for a very interesting and popular banquet next year. I also plan on nominationg England's Maurice Hope. Gotta give Bennie some added insentive to make the trip.

-Rick

I like Tyson, too. The ear thing was his way of paying Holyfield back for the use of the head, a street thing and a dumb thing. Hey! Tyson is from the street and no rocket scientist but he sure as hell could whack (and will do when he is 70). Incidentally, our own Danny Williams was told by his American sparring partners to hit Tyson on the break in their fight in Louisville in 2004 and he did and lost a point but it seemed to have the desired effect, and Tyson was knocked out a couple of rounds later, sitting out the count (looking so old on the floor, it made you want to turn away).
Can anyone explain the philosophy behind this? It must have been no secret in the fight trade in the States that Tyson, a bit like Jerry Quarry, had a mental weakness.

kikibalt wrote:
Jerry Quarry vs Joe Alexander

Alexander put Jerry down in the first but it was a brief moment of glory and this is the second and final round.

Randyman wrote:The truth is, is that it probably bothered everyone else more than it bothered Haugen. He has thick skin. I wouldn't doubt if he was laughing with that trademark boyish smirk. He took the best of Whitaker in real life he can take it in reel life too.

Randy

Haugen picked up a whopping $440,000 for fighting Whitaker in Norfolk in 1989 and clearly learned from fighting the slippery (make that horrible) southpaw who couldn't sell out a phone box, because he ended the decade-long unbeaten run of Hector Camacho a year later.

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
Here's a nice sharp image of a streetcar passing City Hall.

Remember those days, Rick?....

Very well, Frank. The buses I rode looked just like the street car pictured. I paid 15 cents one way from the S.F. Valley to where the bus dropped me off, in front of the L.A. Times Bldg. at 2nd & Spring St. right around the corner from the Main St. Gym. Amazing isn't it? At the time the Los Angeles skyline featured it's tallest structure, the 26 story City Hall in the background. Today, the City Hall is dwarfed by dozens of skyscraper's, many rising more than 70 stories. Skid Row is becoming respectable, I mean, what in the Hell is the world coming too?

Rick, in 1958, I was riding the street car on Whittier Bl. when an operator who has gotten fired that day hi-jack the street car that I was riding and he drove that thing as fast as he could until it jump the tracks, lots of people including me got hurt, I got a few bucks out off that ride....

kikibalt wrote:

Baksi never got a shot at the title, which is pretty incredible.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Hatton won, but he didn't look good in winning, Magg. again showed that he can't fight.

But at least he got a haircut.

And a bad one at that..... ;;-)

Hey, Frankie, everyone is saying Hatton looked good.

Sometimes a guy just doesn't mind being wrong. The bottom line is "Let the best man win" and in this case, he did. I thought Paulie would outbox Ricky. Not an unreasonable assumption, but in a fight you just never really know what's going to happen. Hatton is a strong kid.

Randy

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Hatton won, but he didn't look good in winning, Magg. again showed that he can't fight.

But at least he got a haircut.

And a bad one at that..... ;;-)

The talk of Paulie's hair reminds me of a WBHFfunction a couple of years back when they honored Emanuel Steward. Steward talked at the dais of how times have changed in boxing. How, at a recent Hector Camacho bout, after the bout, staff had to get in the ring before the next fight and sweep off the canvas from all the sequins that had fallen off Camacho's trunks. He said to a laughing audience, "Can you imagine Carmen Basilio saying at the weigh-in, 'Hold on, I have to remove my ear-ring."

Scartissue

bennie wrote:Hey, Frankie, everyone is saying Hatton looked good.

An, everyone is wrong....

kikibalt wrote:

bennie wrote:Hey, Frankie, everyone is saying Hatton looked good.

An, everyone is wrong....

Could well be.

Photo and caption by Rick


Gil King tells John Bardelli about his association with Suey Welch. "He robbed me blind!",
King complained.

Frankie, where is Ray these days?

bennie wrote:Frankie, where is Ray these days?

I think Tom is hiding in the south with the KKK, he hasn't been feeling good since Obama got elected president....

Just kidding of course, I don't know where he is.

Food for thought

White extremists lash out over election of first black president

The Ku Klux Klan is emerging from decades of disorganization and obscurity, and the turnaround is acutely evident -- more than 200 hate-related incidents have been reported since the Nov. 4 election.

By Howard Witt
November 23, 2008
Reporting from Bogalusa, La. -- Barely three weeks since America elected its first black president, noose hangings, racist graffiti and death threats have struck dozens of towns across the country.

More than 200 such incidents -- including cross burnings, assassination betting pools and effigies of President-elect Barack Obama -- have been reported, according to law enforcement authorities and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups.

And America's most potent symbol of racial hatred, the Ku Klux Klan, is reasserting itself in a spate of recent violence, after decades of disorganization and obscurity.

Nearly two weeks ago, the leader of a cell based in Bogalusa, La. -- a backwoods town once known as the Klan capital -- was charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of a woman who allegedly sought to become a member but then changed her mind.

Late last month, two men with ties to a notoriously violent Klan chapter in Kentucky were charged in a bizarre plot to kill 88 black students and then decapitate an additional 14 students -- and then assassinate Obama by shooting him from a speeding car while wearing white tuxedos and top hats.

"We've seen everything from cross burnings on lawns of interracial couples to effigies of Obama hanging from nooses to unpleasant exchanges in schoolyards," said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Montgomery, Ala. "I think we're in a worrying situation right now, a perfect storm of conditions coming together that could easily favor the continued growth of these groups."

Experts attribute the racist activity to factors including the rapidly worsening economic crisis; trends indicating that within a generation whites will not comprise a U.S. majority; and the impending arrival of a black family in the White House.

The FBI is investigating whether the recent Klan-related incidents involve conspiracies. And the Secret Service is monitoring the racist activity "to try to stay ahead of any emerging threats," according to spokesman Darrin Blackford.

One white supremacist leader, describing himself as moderate, professes alarm.

"There is a tremendous backlash" to Obama's election, said Richard Barrett, the leader of the Nationalist Movement in Learned, Miss. "My focus is to try to keep it peaceful. But many people look at the flag of the Republic of New Africa that will be hoisted over the White House as an act of war."

The FBI has no hate-crime statistics yet for 2008.

But based on local media reports, some experts are calling the rise in hate incidents surprising and unprecedented.

"The rhetoric right now is just about out of control," said Brian Levin, director of Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino. "When you get this depth of hatred, it usually is the smoke before the fire."

In the small Louisiana town of Angie, 58-year-old Judy Robinson put an Obama sign outside her home a few weeks before the Nov. 4 presidential election. The morning after Halloween, she awoke to find the words "KKK" and "white power" spray-painted around her yard.

"I thought all that KKK stuff was in the past," said Robinson, who is black. "But now I look at people and think, 'Could he be Klan?' Suddenly I'm feeling like my town is hostile territory."

Experts say modern Klan chapters remain isolated and small, with perhaps 6,000 members nationwide -- a shadow of the group's membership of 4 million in the early 1900s.

Bogalusa, a lumber and paper mill town of about 13,000, is just down the road from Angie.

In the 1960s, historians say, the Ku Klux Klan so dominated Bogalusa's commerce, politics and law enforcement that the group once held a public meeting to debate which black church to burn down next.

Several Bogalusa Klan members were long suspected of shooting two black sheriff's deputies in a 1965 ambush, killing one. No one was ever brought to trial.

"To this day, most white people in Bogalusa know who the killers were, and they were never brought to justice," said Lance Hill, a Tulane University law professor and Klan expert.

That past now seems less distant.

On Nov. 10, local law enforcement authorities arrested Raymond "Chuck" Foster, 44, the leader of a Bogalusa Klan chapter called the Sons of Dixie, and seven other Klan members in connection with the shooting death of a Tulsa, Okla., woman who went to the group's remote campsite in St. Tammany Parish for an initiation ceremony.

Authorities say Foster shot the woman when she tried to change her mind about joining the group. He has been charged with second-degree murder; the other Klan members, including Foster's 20-year-old son, have been charged with obstruction of justice.

City officials say they had no idea that Bogalusa has Klan cells.

"I've been here 13 years, and this was a complete surprise to me that there was Klan here," said Police Chief Jerry Agnew.

Yet members of the town's black community say they have been reporting Klan sightings to the police for more than a year. About 40% of residents are black.

In October 2007, residents of one black neighborhood reported white-hooded Klan members riding horses through the streets.

And in March, Klan members openly handed out fliers advertising the second annual Sons of Dixie Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Craw Fish Boil -- held at the house on Louisiana Avenue that Foster was renting from a Bogalusa deputy sheriff.

"The city leaders want to make it look like this is just some small fringe group," said former City Councilman Marvin Austin, 61, who once belonged to the Deacons for Defense, a black group that formed in the 1960s to defend black residents from the Klan.

"But the Klan still has a lot of sympathizers here."

Witt writes for the Chicago Tribune.

Guys, keep Don Fraser in your thoughts and prays, he is having back surgery tomorrow,
Hope he comes out alright.....

Malignaggi gets cornered by Hatton in 11th round


John Locher / Associated Press
Ricky Hatton lands a right hand against Paulie Malignaggi in the third round Saturday night.

Bill Dwyre
November 23, 2008

Reporting from Las Vegas -- Ricky (The Hitman) Hatton was more like Ricky (The Trackman) Hatton on Saturday night at the MGM Grand.

In a scheduled 12-round boxing event that was supposed to be a matchup of the top two 140-pounders in the world, Hatton chased Paulie Malignaggi all night and eventually showed that the space between No. 1 and No. 2 is a wide gap.

Hatton won with an 11th-round technical knockout, which in this case was a fancy term for surrender. With 28 seconds elapsed in that round, Malignaggi's corner waved several large white towels in the direction of referee Kenny Bayless.

That is boxing sign language for "Enough. Our fighter is done. Stop this now."

And so Bayless did.

Afterward, Malignaggi argued that he was OK, that Hatton hadn't hurt him, that his corner should not have stopped it. When he saw the white towels come out, he charged toward his corner and shoved his trainer, the veteran Buddy McGirt, a former boxer who has been in more wars of this type than the 28-year-old Malignaggi could imagine.

"I'm better than this," Malignaggi said. "Maybe I wouldn't have won on points, but I'm better than being stopped."

The Brooklyn boxer, who lost for the second time in 27 fights, made a good point in that regard, when he said he had been in worse shape two years ago against Miguel Cotto in Madison Square Garden and his corner hadn't stopped that one. Indeed, Malignaggi suffered several facial fractures in that one, but stayed on his feet after a first-round knockdown all the way to the end.

Malignaggi's promoter, Lou DiBella, saw it differently.

"I wanted it stopped the round before," he said. "You could see him hurting with every punch. I wanted him around to fight another day, and a couple more rounds could have done much damage."

McGirt concurred.

"The reason I stopped the fight was that we were losing," he said. "My guy couldn't hurt him. We had five or six minutes left, and all it takes is one big punch. I'd rather have him be angry at me and be OK."

Hatton's last visit to the MGM ring was December 2007, when undefeated Floyd Mayweather Jr. stayed that way with a knockout in the 10th round. Interestingly, Mayweather's father, Floyd Sr., trained Hatton for this fight.

Against Malignaggi, Hatton attacked from the start. And chased and chased and caught Malignaggi often enough to make it obviously one-sided.

Malignaggi spent much of the night with his head under Hatton's armpit.

Hatton would charge, usually connect with one solid smash, and then Malignaggi would defensively duck and hold on for dear life.

Mayweather Sr. commented afterward that Bayless should have deducted at least one point from Malignaggi for holding, but hadn't. In defense of Bayless, he probably assumed when he signed on as referee for Saturday night that he was going to work a boxing match, not wrestling.

Hatton threw 516 punches, to 342 by Malignaggi. He also landed 99 of 377 power punches to Malignaggi's 25 of 133.

Malignaggi is nothing if not tough. He took a beating and kept on coming. In the ninth, Hatton hit him with a bomb, then buckled his knees. Malignaggi stumbled backward, regained his balance and stuck out his tongue at Hatton.

Hatton, the pride of Manchester, England, got his sizable fan following going early in the fight. He staggered Malignaggi several times in the second round, and the English band that comes with him seldom stopped playing and banging on their drums the rest of the night, as the Hatton backers in the announced crowd of 9,053 -- and that would be the majority of the crowd -- seldom stopped singing.

Hatton is 30, has a record of 44-1, with 31 knockouts, and fights one way. He comes forward, head bobbing and moving and fists flying. You can almost imagine that, if he didn't make his living in a boxing ring, he would as the most feared bar-bouncer in Manchester.

"I enjoyed this fight a lot more than the last time I was here," he said, in reference to Mayweather's barrage of punches that dealt him his only defeat to date.

"I got frustrated in this fight, but then I hurt him early and then Floyd Sr. got me back to being me.

"I slowed down, I was more composed."

Hatton said he thought this one-sided victory would propel him to bigger things. Some see him as the next stop for the winner of the Dec. 6 mega-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Oscar De La Hoya.

"I want big fights now," Hatton said. "I only have a couple of years left."

[email protected].

Kid Chocolate

By Diego

kikibalt wrote:Where is the defense in todays fighters? Magg. with his hands down on his side, not one glove close to his face/chin.

Frank
Like I was saying. When I got back to San Diego,I saw a replay of Emile Griffith and Indio Ortega's first fight. Any one of those guys could have beaten Hatton and that English Dago together at the same time. Hatton is too crude and the Wop doesn't like to fight.

Randyman wrote:





Sometimes a guy just doesn't mind being wrong. The bottom line is "Let the best man win" and in this case, he did. I thought Paulie would outbox Ricky. Not an unreasonable assumption, but in a fight you just never really know what's going to happen. Hatton is a strong kid.

Randy

Shit,if you're gonna' wear trunks like that,put on a fight for crying out loud

A fighter should wear proper attire into the ring .
Look like a fighter.
I always said, you gotta wear the same thing leaving the ring as you do entering it.
If a guy gets the shit kicked out of him, That beating will be compounded by the fact he wore a fu..in tootoo into the ring.

kikibalt wrote:Food for thought

White extremists lash out over election of first black president

The Ku Klux Klan is emerging from decades of disorganization and obscurity, and the turnaround is acutely evident -- more than 200 hate-related incidents have been reported since the Nov. 4 election.

By Howard Witt
November 23, 2008
Reporting from Bogalusa, La. -- Barely three weeks since America elected its first black president, noose hangings, racist graffiti and death threats have struck dozens of towns across the country.

More than 200 such incidents -- including cross burnings, assassination betting pools and effigies of President-elect Barack Obama -- have been reported, according to law enforcement authorities and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups.

And America's most potent symbol of racial hatred, the Ku Klux Klan, is reasserting itself in a spate of recent violence, after decades of disorganization and obscurity.

Nearly two weeks ago, the leader of a cell based in Bogalusa, La. -- a backwoods town once known as the Klan capital -- was charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of a woman who allegedly sought to become a member but then changed her mind.

Late last month, two men with ties to a notoriously violent Klan chapter in Kentucky were charged in a bizarre plot to kill 88 black students and then decapitate an additional 14 students -- and then assassinate Obama by shooting him from a speeding car while wearing white tuxedos and top hats.

"We've seen everything from cross burnings on lawns of interracial couples to effigies of Obama hanging from nooses to unpleasant exchanges in schoolyards," said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Montgomery, Ala. "I think we're in a worrying situation right now, a perfect storm of conditions coming together that could easily favor the continued growth of these groups."

Experts attribute the racist activity to factors including the rapidly worsening economic crisis; trends indicating that within a generation whites will not comprise a U.S. majority; and the impending arrival of a black family in the White House.

The FBI is investigating whether the recent Klan-related incidents involve conspiracies. And the Secret Service is monitoring the racist activity "to try to stay ahead of any emerging threats," according to spokesman Darrin Blackford.

One white supremacist leader, describing himself as moderate, professes alarm.

"There is a tremendous backlash" to Obama's election, said Richard Barrett, the leader of the Nationalist Movement in Learned, Miss. "My focus is to try to keep it peaceful. But many people look at the flag of the Republic of New Africa that will be hoisted over the White House as an act of war."

The FBI has no hate-crime statistics yet for 2008.

But based on local media reports, some experts are calling the rise in hate incidents surprising and unprecedented.

"The rhetoric right now is just about out of control," said Brian Levin, director of Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino. "When you get this depth of hatred, it usually is the smoke before the fire."

In the small Louisiana town of Angie, 58-year-old Judy Robinson put an Obama sign outside her home a few weeks before the Nov. 4 presidential election. The morning after Halloween, she awoke to find the words "KKK" and "white power" spray-painted around her yard.

"I thought all that KKK stuff was in the past," said Robinson, who is black. "But now I look at people and think, 'Could he be Klan?' Suddenly I'm feeling like my town is hostile territory."

Experts say modern Klan chapters remain isolated and small, with perhaps 6,000 members nationwide -- a shadow of the group's membership of 4 million in the early 1900s.

Bogalusa, a lumber and paper mill town of about 13,000, is just down the road from Angie.

In the 1960s, historians say, the Ku Klux Klan so dominated Bogalusa's commerce, politics and law enforcement that the group once held a public meeting to debate which black church to burn down next.

Several Bogalusa Klan members were long suspected of shooting two black sheriff's deputies in a 1965 ambush, killing one. No one was ever brought to trial.

"To this day, most white people in Bogalusa know who the killers were, and they were never brought to justice," said Lance Hill, a Tulane University law professor and Klan expert.

That past now seems less distant.

On Nov. 10, local law enforcement authorities arrested Raymond "Chuck" Foster, 44, the leader of a Bogalusa Klan chapter called the Sons of Dixie, and seven other Klan members in connection with the shooting death of a Tulsa, Okla., woman who went to the group's remote campsite in St. Tammany Parish for an initiation ceremony.

Authorities say Foster shot the woman when she tried to change her mind about joining the group. He has been charged with second-degree murder; the other Klan members, including Foster's 20-year-old son, have been charged with obstruction of justice.

City officials say they had no idea that Bogalusa has Klan cells.

"I've been here 13 years, and this was a complete surprise to me that there was Klan here," said Police Chief Jerry Agnew.

Yet members of the town's black community say they have been reporting Klan sightings to the police for more than a year. About 40% of residents are black.

In October 2007, residents of one black neighborhood reported white-hooded Klan members riding horses through the streets.

And in March, Klan members openly handed out fliers advertising the second annual Sons of Dixie Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Craw Fish Boil -- held at the house on Louisiana Avenue that Foster was renting from a Bogalusa deputy sheriff.

"The city leaders want to make it look like this is just some small fringe group," said former City Councilman Marvin Austin, 61, who once belonged to the Deacons for Defense, a black group that formed in the 1960s to defend black residents from the Klan.

"But the Klan still has a lot of sympathizers here."

Witt writes for the Chicago Tribune.

Last night in TJ,in the Otay area,six college kids were pulled out of a club by a gang of thugs,taken to a field and shot in the back of the head. No motive yet for this senseless crime.