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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 04:14
by bennie
Beryl was a bit before my time, Dan, but I know she added some glamour to the domestic fight scene and apparently had a fabulous pair of lungs. She was Mine Host of The Becket, and that, along with her ample charms, was probably enough to make her a big boxing name.
I hope I am not doing her a massive disservice.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 04:17
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:British Olympic boxer questioned in cocaine probe

LONDON (AP)—A British Olympic boxer has been questioned by police on suspicion of dealing cocaine.

Bradley Saunders, a 22-year-old light welterweight, was detained Monday after a police sniffer dog found what was believed to be more than 300 grams of cocaine worth $18,200 in his back garden in northeast England.

Saunders and his girlfriend were held overnight by police and released on bail Tuesday.

Saunders was a gold medal prospect at August’s Beijing Olympics, but lost his second fight.
If Saunders was bang to rights, the police would not have released him, even on bail.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 04:20
by kikibalt
Will Oscar De La Hoya fight sell in a punchless economy?

De La Hoya versus Manny Pacquiao is a prime bout. Promoters wonder how many will pay for the telecast.
By Lance Pugmire
LATimes

With the economy in a nose dive, how many people will pay $54.95 to buy Saturday's telecast of the Oscar De La Hoya-Manny Pacquiao fight?

It's an intriguing matchup. De La Hoya, the sport's most popular fighter, against Pacquiao, the current lightweight champion who's the world's top-ranked boxer pound for pound, in a bout set at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds.

De La Hoya will make his first return to Las Vegas since his epic fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. in May 2007 (Mayweather won a split decision), which drew 2.4 million pay-per-view buys worth $134.4 million -- both records for a De La Hoya fight.

But given the severity of the economic downturn, executives at Top Rank, the Las Vegas-based boxing promotion company that handles Pacquiao, are projecting the De La Hoya fight will attract only 1.5 million pay-per-view buys. That still would be the second-highest pay-per-view sales for any De La Hoya fight.

HBO is working hard to sell the fight. As it did for De La Hoya-Mayweather, HBO has rolled out its "24/7" four-part reality series promoting De La Hoya's and Pacquiao's life stories. The social-networking site Facebook has created a "Dream Fight" promotion to attract a younger fan base to the bout.

However, because of concerns about the economy, fight sponsors Coca-Cola, Tecate beer and Full Throttle energy drink are each offering pay-per-view rebate coupons worth $10 to $20 that, when combined, can reduce the $54.95 pay-per-view price to $4.95.

"This is the first time we've had rebates like this," said Mark Taffet, HBO's pay-per-view chief. "There's no doubt we need to be more sensitive than ever to value, and we believe De La Hoya-Pacquiao provides it with a capital V."

Other fight promotions showed how the worsening economy has forced boxing fans to cut back on their spending, as is the case with virtually all consumer groups.

Richard Schaefer, a Swiss former banker who is chief executive of De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions boxing company, had expected Golden Boy's fight between former middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins and current middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik in October to generate about 350,000 pay-per-view buys. The fight had solid selling points: age and wisdom versus youth and power, gifted defense versus a knockout punch.

But the Hopkins-Pavlik telecast was purchased by only 190,000 homes.

"Frankly, I was shocked," Schaefer said. "I knew, given the environment of the economy, we weren't going to have the numbers we had come to expect from the past, but we've all been subjected to so many days of bad news . . . this global depression is affecting all of us, everyone."

In the days before another fight promotion in Las Vegas on Nov. 22, Schaefer walked around a casino and echoed the words of Dana White, president of Las Vegas-based Ultimate Fighting Championships, who said the gambling mecca has been reduced to a "ghost town" on non-fight days. "It's down, I see it," Schaefer said.

The question of how well the De La Hoya-Pacquiao fight will sell elicits numerous opinions in boxing circles.

In September, the MGM Grand Resort in Las Vegas sold its 16,000 tickets for the fight (most with a face value of $1,500) in less than two hours. Richard A. Sturm, the resort's president of entertainment and sports, predicts rosy earnings in occupancy, gaming and dining at his property and 11 other Strip destinations for the De La Hoya-Pacquiao fight, managed by MGM Mirage.

"Our average occupancy rate has been down a little bit, but there are certain events, like this one, when you know people want to be in town," Sturm said. "People like to come to Las Vegas, they like a getaway. This great one-night event is a great excuse. We're expecting this to a great success in every aspect."

Schaefer has watched with a banker's eye the economic devastation across the country and its effect on Las Vegas. "The numbers don't lie about how bad things are here," he said. "Look at the stock prices. These numbers didn't go down because everyone was in Vegas gambling."

Indeed, MGM Mirage's stock price has plummeted in the last year to $11.98 from a high of $93.19. Neighboring Wynn Resorts has dropped to $39.82 from $134.74, and Las Vegas Sands Corp., which includes the well-known Venetian property, has tumbled to $5.17 from $122.96.

Jay Rood, director of the MGM/Mirage Race and Sports Book, said betting inside his rooms has doubled on past mega-fights, but "no one knows what's going to happen this time, given the economy and circumstances."

Yet Schaefer, Taffet and the fight sponsors maintain that a good De La Hoya fight is a "recession-proof" commodity.

"We are keenly aware that consumers right now are demanding value, but we believe if there's one fight the consumer will buy, it's De La Hoya-Pacquiao," Taffet said.

"There's nothing that people need more right now than the camaraderie of sharing a night with friends while watching a good fight and being sensitive to value. This is clearly the boxing event of 2008."

The De La Hoya-Pacquiao bout does have that going for it. And 70 years ago, in the throes of the Depression, Joe Louis drew 80,000 people to Yankee Stadium for his rematch against Germany's Max Schmeling.

This fight could be De La Hoya's last if he loses. Pacquiao is a national icon in his native Philippines, and his punching power makes him one of the sport's most entertaining draws.

"We know people are being forced to cut back on things where they can: vacations, entertainment, restaurants; that they're worried about their mortgage and losing their jobs," Schaefer said. "Still, once in a while, you have to shut your mind off and for two to three hours, tell yourself, 'I'm going to enjoy this: the two best fighters in the world going after each other.'

"I hope the economy stabilizes a little, but consumer confidence is out of my control. What's in my control is that we've made the best fight of our generation. Now, it's up to the consumer to tell us if we've succeeded."

Pugmire is a Times staff writer.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 04:21
by bennie
Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:"Ahhhhh the Irish"

An armed and hooded robber bursts into the Bank of Ireland and forces the tellers to load a sack full of cash.
On his way out the door with the loot, one brave Irish customer grabs the hood and pulls it off revealing the robber's face.
The robber shoots the guy in the head without hesitation! He then looks around the bank to see if anyone else has seen him. One of the tellers is looking straight at him and the robber walks over and calmly shoots him in the head also. Everyone by now is very scared and looking down at the floor.
'Did anyone else see my face?' calls the robber.
There is a few moments silence than one elderly Irish gent, looking down, tentatively raises his hand and says:
'I think me wife may have caught a glimpse….'
Aye :lol:

Here another.
An Irishman is walking through the hills of Galway when he comes upon a half mile long funeral procession.
At the front of the long line of walkers is a guy with a fierce looking bulldog on a leash and behind him is the pall bearers with a casket , behind them must have been five thousand mourners walking along.
The guy strolls up to the front and asks the guy with the leash, "who died?"
The guy with the dog says "My Mother in Law"and this is the dog that bit her resulting in her death.
The guy listens and starts scheming.
"Do you think I might be able to borrow that dog?'
The guy with the dog says "get in line".
Funerals are big in Ireland. I once had the misfortune to time a drive through a village (actually in Galway), just as a casket was being removed from a house and loaded on to a hearse. Next thing, everybody came out of the other houses and the street was flooded with people.
I was barely able to get through.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 10:53
by scartissue
bennie wrote:Beryl was a bit before my time, Dan, but I know she added some glamour to the domestic fight scene and apparently had a fabulous pair of lungs. She was Mine Host of The Becket, and that, along with her ample charms, was probably enough to make her a big boxing name.
I hope I am not doing her a massive disservice.
"Ample", "Big", "Massive"?! You are a funny dude, Bennie. I'm going to have to scrounge up a picture of her now and try to post it.

Scartissue

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 10:59
by bennie
It was Freudian, Dan - honestly; I just found myself writing all those things without knowing it.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 11:01
by bennie
Just a few days from one of the biggest boxing nights for many a year, Thunderbirds are pretty much go. Nottingham's unbeaten Carl Froch takes on Canada's unbeaten Jean Pascal in a 'proper' world title fight in Nottingham, Bolton's once-beaten Amir Khan tackles tough Dubliner Oisin Fagan in a make-or-break 10-rounder in London, and over in the States, golden oldie Oscar De La Hoya faces little Filipino Manny Pacquiao over 12 rounds in one of those catchweight squabbles in Tinsel Town.
Christmas has come early.
In Pascal, super-middleweight Froch faces a former amateur star with an inexperienced 'feel' about him after less than four years as a pro, much like Detroit's unbeaten Rico Hoye was inexperienced prior to a five-round mauling at the hands of Clinton Woods in a 'proper' world title fight here in 2005. Tucked away in cheery ol' Canada for all but one of his pro fights, Pascal will not enjoy fortress Nottingham one bit but we know from a trip he made here in the amateurs, when Pascal struck gold in Manchester in the 2002 Commonwealth Games, that he is quick, sharp and brave, and possibly one of those dreaded 'sleepers'. We also know that Froch looked horribly open against a neat-boxing, nimble but essentially limited Aussie by the name of Dale Westerman quite recently. Pascal is a 'mover', a counterpuncher - a sharp counterpuncher. At 26 he has plenty of life in his legs and his right hand. One has a feeling that the 31-year-old Froch will need all his renowned strength, durability, grit and character on Saturday.
Nonetheless, the local man will NEVER have a better chance to win a major world title.
Khan still dreams of a major world title but any Naz comparisons lie in ruins somewhere in the MEN Arena, where Colombia's Breidis Prescott destroyed him in 54 seconds in September. At 21 Khan can come again, and will enjoy expert support. Top American trainer Freddie Roach is already on board, which is no bad thing, and Khan's first opponent since the rangy, dangerous and unbeaten Breidis Prescott is no bad choice, either: the stumpy, light-hitting Fagan. I do Fagan a disservice. The 34-year-old Irishman is rugged and tough, and he will almost certainly provide enough 'rounds' for Khan to find his feet again, although Khan does seem to have taken his first defeat well - no excuses, no complaints, just an apparent willingness to learn from it. He spent the last few weeks training with Roach in Los Angeles, for whom he dumped Jorge Rubio, the Cuban trainer who chose Prescott as an opponent. Even Pat Sheehan in The Sun, who spells Howard Winstone 'Howard Winston' knew enough to label it the worst match ever. What was Rubio thinking!
Anyway, lightweight Khan, lightning-quick, is due a morale booster and should get it. Hats off to him for climbing back on to his horse so soon.
To the De La Hoya-Pacquiao showdown, the most cynical of the lot. De La Hoya was recently labelled "a part-time fighter" by Roach, who trains Pacquiao as well as Khan. Indeed, the 35-year-old De La Hoya appears for just the fourth time in four years against Pacquiao, a quick, sharp-hitting southpaw known as "The Bruce Lee of Boxing". You know, Oscar is bored, and Oscar likes money. The two elements form a dangerous mix in a sport like boxing, but Oscar also happens to be smart. No Antonio Margarito for him, no Paul Williams. Instead he takes on a former world flyweight champion who has worked his way through the weights, slowly, and finally, and I mean finally, settled at lightweight. This match is at welterweight.
Let us hope Christmas is not cancelled.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 11:06
by scartissue
Thanks Rick.
You know I've heard it said that today's fighters may not have the stamina like the throwbacks(Ortega and Griffith),but it is the hand speed of today's fghter the compensates for everything else.

I disagree. I metioned I saw the replay of Griffith/Ortega I on ESPN CLASSIC. The hand speed of both boys was incredible. Put that with the way they forced the action,leading,countering,fighting their way out of clinches,and never taking a round off was refreshing to see. Too bad it was 48 years ago.

The other night I saw another Welter from this era,Paul Williams. He was fighting a tired old Verno Phillips. Williams didn't look as fast as Ortega and Griffith did almost half a century ago. Williams was pushing his jab and leaning into a lot of his punches. The fight was one sided. I turned it off before the end.

When I was at the WBHOF Banquet,I looked at fellas' like "Indio",Emile,and Marvin Johnson. Even Andy"The Kid". I saw his fight the other night with Emile. The one in New York. These dudes came to fight. If you weren't in shape you wouldn't go the distance.

We've talked about this before. Sorry to sound like a broken record,but when I think back, I like the sound of the music.[/quote]

Great point, Rog. Sadly, contemporary boxing fans have it in their minds that Muhammad Ali invented hand speed. Dempsey may have been considerably faster at getting off and landing his block busters than "The greatest" could his flicking left jab, but it would be hard to prove. As for speed, speed alone is highly over rated. People are too ignorant to understand the importance of timing and distancing. Ali and Camacho for example were fast, but really couldn't break an egg. Martial Arts has falsly led people to believe that speed is power. I will credit hand speed as an element of power, but not a necessity. A puncher can lean on an opponent with his stiff arm and drive home more power than a speedster whose blows lack what I can best describe as "commitment". Conditioning? I'm with you, and there is that intangible element of "toughness" that seemed to radiate from anybody who attained public notice in previous eras. Today, we have speedsters who really don't know how to punch. A quick, well-timed short punch thrown at ideal distance with razor sharp timing beats just about anything to it's target. For a perfect demonstartion of such punching technique we need only watch a video of the Baltazar boy's in action.

Again, great post Roger. The kind of stuff you only find in this thread.

-Rick[/quote]

Rog, I agree with Rick, don't apologise. I too long for those days before they dumbed down our sport with 12 round 'world championships', ridiculous weight classes separated by 3 pounds, inumerable alphabet champions and down right goofy fractional titles which they believe spark interest. My God, even that 51 year old Hassan has a title. Maybe I should get back into shape because I think I can handle him. Afterall, why shouldn't I have a belt too. Can someone tell me what is wrong with good hard, competitive 10 rounders between contenders who are trying to break into the ratings in order to fight 15 rounds for the one and only world title in (at most) 11 weight classes in the sport of boxing, which even the passive fan on the street could nearly name all titleholders? Am I asking for too much??????????

Scartissue

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 11:08
by scartissue
bennie wrote:It was Freudian, Dan - honestly; I just found myself writing all those things without knowing it.
That's OK, maybe you had a couple of things on your mind. Oops! Freudian! LOL!

Scartissue

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 14:28
by Ron C
What is Mando Ramos' nationality? Is he Mexican? I see that he was born and raised in California but what's running through his blood?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mando_Ramos


I see this at the bottom of his Wikipedia profile:


"This biographical article related to a Mexican boxer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
This biographical article related to an United States boxer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."


Were his parents born in the USA too?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 23:42
by Rick Farris
Ron C wrote:What is Mando Ramos' nationality? Is he Mexican? I see that he was born and raised in California but what's running through his blood?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mando_Ramos


I see this at the bottom of his Wikipedia profile:


"This biographical article related to a Mexican boxer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
This biographical article related to an United States boxer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."


Were his parents born in the USA too?
Ron . . . Mando Ramos is an American of Mexican ancestory (Mexican-American) and was born in East Los Angeles, and raised in Long Beach, Cal. He was living in San Pedro with wife Sylvia at the time of his death. His father, Ray Ramos, was also born in the U.S. but I'm not sure where. I don't know Mando's mother's birthplace.

As a kid, Mando worked at his grandmother's Mexican restaurant in Long Beach and became a very good Mexican chef, according to his former stablemate and friend, former lightweight champ Rodolfo Gonzalez. When Gonzalez came to this country from Mexico, he became close to the Ramos family and would also work in the restaurant. "El Gato" fondly remembers he and a teenage Mando working late each night, into the early morning, cleaning up the restaurant after closing. Afterwards, the two boxers would do roadwork and Rodolfo tells of how great a distance runner Mando was. "His legs were so long, I'd have to run two steps to every one of Mando's." This was in the early 60's, and a few years later Mando would become the youngest boxer to win the World Lightweight title (20yrs. 3mos.), a record that still exists forty years later. Three months after losing the title to Chango Carmona in 1972, Rodolfo Gonzalez would avenge his friend's loss and knockout Carmona, bringing the title back to Los Angeles and the Jackie McCoy stable.

I need to call Sylvia Ramos this week and will ask her for more info regarding Mando's parents, etc.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 23:46
by dagosd2000
THE FENCE JUMPERS

Crossing the border back to the U.S. is taking your chances waiting in line for at least an hour. You better hope your car doesn't overheat or you can blow an engine. I kind of know the "fast" way to cross back. Start downtown on 2nd street ,then go over the bridge and hope you get in a line where the customs guy doiesn't have a case of the ass giving everybody the 3rd degree. If you're a big "mucky muck" you can get in the "special line" and cross right away. Big shots like Hank Rhon(who owns the racetrack) or the Presidente Municipal,Jorge Ramos(the mayor) have the "dough" and the connections to come and go as they please.

Funny,people here complain about illegals,but 90% of the people in line are Mexicans. They all have legal documents gotten at our embassies in Mexico. I remember 10 years ago practically all my wife's family were here ilegally. Now they have visas ,green cards,or passports. On top of this, the U.S is doubling the number of gates to 56, to cross into the U.S.

These red necks who cruise the border on the U.S. side to catch illegals crossing into the U.S. by jumping the fence or going under it, are pissing into the wind. Those Mexicans who come to the U.S. legally or have the papers,know they can find jobs Americans won't do. Granted the Mexicans work under union scale,but employers don't like union labor anyway. The bosses on this side can hire Mexicans for half the wages and can throw out the benefits.

Here's a good one about crossing in my car waiting in line. The fan belt snaps in my car. I push my car over to the side. Now there's hundreds of cars around me,but I know how the Mexicans are out there waiting for a bird like me to break down. Sure enough after about 5 minutes here comes a guy pushing a cart. He's got batteries,tools,jumper cables,and cans of gasoline.
"Que pasa",he asks me.
"The fan belt. I need a new one."
"No problem amigo."
He looks at the make and model of my car,pops the hood to see the engine type,and then whistles a kid over on a bike. He tells the kid to peddle to the parts store to get a fan belt. I give him 15 dollars.

While I'm waiting on the side ,here comes two U.S. Custom guys. Now I'm straddling the line between the U.S. and Mexicpo. My car is on the Mexican side. The line actually runs on the "Mexican " side about 100 yards before you get to the crossing.
"Hey bud,what's going on?"one of the big custom guys asks me.
"What's it look like? This guy is going to put a fan belt on my car."
The big prick knew I was having car trouble.
"Well you can't leave your car there."
"Why not? Besides I'm on the Mexican side."
"They'll come and tow it away"says the big custom dude. He had his cuffs and 9 millimeter.,club,pepper spray,and bullet proof vest.
"This shit happens all the time. I'll be out of here in a half hour."
The Mexican guy ,who by now was putting on the fan belt, looked over his shoulder to motion me to the Mexican side of the line. I stepped back over to where my car was. The two Custom guys stood their distance on the U.S. side.

As I was waiting for the mechanic to finish,I was watching the two Custom guys. They had their binoculars out watching the border fence just to the East of the crossing. Some Mexican kids were jumping the fence and then crawling on hands and kness under a U.S. Customs truck. The two Custom guys were laughing. They thought it was funny as hell. They never warned the other Customs guy who was in the truck.
"Hey,"said the big Customs guy who was hassling me."I bet the fat kid won't get over the fence."
His friend was busting up.
"I'll bet you a Big Mac he makes it over."
"I bet he don't"
Both of them were besides themselves.

The mechanc with the cart finished putting on the fan belt.
"How much?"I asked him.
The mechanic put his hand on his chin.
"Give me 30 dollars. It was hard to put on."
Thirty plus the fifteen. On the U.S side I'd be looking at 200 dollars with the tow.
"Amigo,"said the mechanic. "My garage is in Colonia Libertad if you have a problem with your car again."
I gave him the money and shook his hand.

I started my car and got back into line. I passed the two Custom dudes. They didn't see me as I passed by them. They were still laughing at the fat Mexican kid who was trying to cimb over the fence.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 00:38
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:THE FENCE JUMPERS

Crossing the border back to the U.S. is taking your chances waiting in line for at least an hour. You better hope your car doesn't overheat or you can blow an engine. I kind of know the "fast" way to cross back. Start downtown on 2nd street ,then go over the bridge and hope you get in a line where the customs guy doiesn't have a case of the ass giving everybody the 3rd degree. If you're a big "mucky muck" you can get in the "special line" and cross right away. Big shots like Hank Rhon(who owns the racetrack) or the Presidente Municipal,Jorge Ramos(the mayor) have the "dough" and the connections to come and go as they please.

Funny,people here complain about illegals,but 90% of the people in line are Mexicans. They all have legal documents gotten at our embassies in Mexico. I remember 10 years ago practically all my wife's family were here ilegally. Now they have visas ,green cards,or passports. On top of this, the U.S is doubling the number of gates to 56, to cross into the U.S.

These red necks who cruise the border on the U.S. side to catch illegals crossing into the U.S. by jumping the fence or going under it, are pissing into the wind. Those Mexicans who come to the U.S. legally or have the papers,know they can find jobs Americans won't do. Granted the Mexicans work under union scale,but employers don't like union labor anyway. The bosses on this side can hire Mexicans for half the wages and can throw out the benefits.

Here's a good one about crossing in my car waiting in line. The fan belt snaps in my car. I push my car over to the side. Now there's hundreds of cars around me,but I know how the Mexicans are out there waiting for a bird like me to break down. Sure enough after about 5 minutes here comes a guy pushing a cart. He's got batteries,tools,jumper cables,and cans of gasoline.
"Que pasa",he asks me.
"The fan belt. I need a new one."
"No problem amigo."
He looks at the make and model of my car,pops the hood to see the engine type,and then whistles a kid over on a bike. He tells the kid to peddle to the parts store to get a fan belt. I give him 15 dollars.

While I'm waiting on the side ,here comes two U.S. Custom guys. Now I'm straddling the line between the U.S. and Mexicpo. My car is on the Mexican side. The line actually runs on the "Mexican " side about 100 yards before you get to the crossing.
"Hey bud,what's going on?"one of the big custom guys asks me.
"What's it look like? This guy is going to put a fan belt on my car."
The big prick knew I was having car trouble.
"Well you can't leave your car there."
"Why not? Besides I'm on the Mexican side."
"They'll come and tow it away"says the big custom dude. He had his cuffs and 9 millimeter.,club,pepper spray,and bullet proof vest.
"This shit happens all the time. I'll be out of here in a half hour."
The Mexican guy ,who by now was putting on the fan belt, looked over his shoulder to motion me to the Mexican side of the line. I stepped back over to where my car was. The two Custom guys stood their distance on the U.S. side.

As I was waiting for the mechanic to finish,I was watching the two Custom guys. They had their binoculars out watching the border fence just to the East of the crossing. Some Mexican kids were jumping the fence and then crawling on hands and kness under a U.S. Customs truck. The two Custom guys were laughing. They thought it was funny as hell. They never warned the other Customs guy who was in the truck.
"Hey,"said the big Customs guy who was hassling me."I bet the fat kid won't get over the fence."
His friend was busting up.
"I'll bet you a Big Mac he makes it over."
"I bet he don't"
Both of them were besides themselves.

The mechanc with the cart finished putting on the fan belt.
"How much?"I asked him.
The mechanic put his hand on his chin.
"Give me 30 dollars. It was hard to put on."
Thirty plus the fifteen. On the U.S side I'd be looking at 200 dollars with the tow.
"Amigo,"said the mechanic. "My garage is in Colonia Libertad if you have a problem with your car again."
I gave him the money and shook his hand.

I started my car and got back into line. I passed the two Custom dudes. They didn't see me as I passed by them. They were still laughing at the fat Mexican kid who was trying to cimb over the fence.
Roger . . . I love these stories and Monica enjoyed it too. Monica has been in this country for ten years. When she arrived here she spoke four languages, but not english. As you know, she speaks perfect english today. She has been after me to take her to TJ to shop but before I do I wanted to ask you what I should expect. I haven't crossed the border in more than twenty years and have heard about the traffic, problems, etc. today. Monica has had a green card for years and will become a U.S. citizen next year. Is it best she wait until she has an American passport? She has a Brazilian Visa. I just don't want to try crossing the border on the way home and have one of those Customs pricks tell me she can't leave.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 07:22
by bennie
Rick Farris wrote:
Ron C wrote:What is Mando Ramos' nationality? Is he Mexican? I see that he was born and raised in California but what's running through his blood?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mando_Ramos


I see this at the bottom of his Wikipedia profile:


"This biographical article related to a Mexican boxer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
This biographical article related to an United States boxer is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."


Were his parents born in the USA too?
Ron . . . Mando Ramos is an American of Mexican ancestory (Mexican-American) and was born in East Los Angeles, and raised in Long Beach, Cal. He was living in San Pedro with wife Sylvia at the time of his death. His father, Ray Ramos, was also born in the U.S. but I'm not sure where. I don't know Mando's mother's birthplace.

As a kid, Mando worked at his grandmother's Mexican restaurant in Long Beach and became a very good Mexican chef, according to his former stablemate and friend, former lightweight champ Rodolfo Gonzalez. When Gonzalez came to this country from Mexico, he became close to the Ramos family and would also work in the restaurant. "El Gato" fondly remembers he and a teenage Mando working late each night, into the early morning, cleaning up the restaurant after closing. Afterwards, the two boxers would do roadwork and Rodolfo tells of how great a distance runner Mando was. "His legs were so long, I'd have to run two steps to every one of Mando's." This was in the early 60's, and a few years later Mando would become the youngest boxer to win the World Lightweight title (20yrs. 3mos.), a record that still exists forty years later. Three months after losing the title to Chango Carmona in 1972, Rodolfo Gonzalez would avenge his friend's loss and knockout Carmona, bringing the title back to Los Angeles and the Jackie McCoy stable.

I need to call Sylvia Ramos this week and will ask her for more info regarding Mando's parents, etc.

-Rick Farris
Nice story, Rick. When the world was young.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 07:40
by kikibalt
Bill Dwyre:
LATimes
Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao bout to start dominoes

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Ricky Hatton, celebrating his victory over Paulie Malignaggi on Nov. 22, probably will get the winner of the Oscar De La Hoya-Manny Pacquiao fight.
Boxing will play a 'what's next?' game of intrigue that is likely to make Ricky Hatton the chosen one in matchups that could land in London or Dubai.

Boxing fans are on edge these days, not unlike your 6-year-old in the back seat on a long trip.

"How many more miles, Daddy? Are we there yet?"

De La Hoya-Pacquiao will be a good gauge. It is an honest-to-goodness megafight, which means we can expect the buildup noise to be worth the drain on our eardrums. If pay-per-view purchases exceed 1.5 million, in an economy where the sale of 1.5 million of anything is remarkable, then boxing will have a good measuring stick.

That immediate future, like the 6-year-old in the back seat, may be many miles away.

Try London or Dubai.

If De La Hoya wins, get ready for De La Hoya versus England's Ricky Hatton in London's Wembley Stadium.

If Pacquiao wins, get ready for Pacquiao versus Hatton in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates.

When they announce the outcome of Saturday night's fight at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas, no matter whose name is called, the winner will be Hatton. "I guess we might all be finding ourselves in Hatton Wonderland pretty soon," said Richard Schaefer, chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions and partner of the company president, De La Hoya.

There had been talk of De La Hoya retiring after Saturday's fight, but that seems increasingly unlikely, especially if he wins. So when Schaefer waxes eloquently over the quality and quantity of Hatton fans and says things such as, "Oscar and Hatton in Wembley Stadium, 100,000 fans, maybe break an attendance record -- now that would be a mega event," you know it's more than daydreaming.

Bob Arum, another huge player in the sport and Pacquiao's promoter at Top Rank, sees the next big thing differently.

"You can't do Wembley," he said. "That makes absolutely no sense.

"I just got back from Dubai. It's like Fantasyland. Huge, new, spectacular buildings everywhere.

"Think of Pacquiao-Hatton. There is a large Filipino population in Dubai, and the biggest tourism comes from England. Because I'm Pacquiao's promoter, I got recognized as much there as Michael Jordan would in the States."

So, apparently, what happens in Las Vegas won't be staying there after Saturday.

Boxing's dominoes could start falling as fast as the boxers.

Schaefer says that a loss, as well as a win, could prompt the 35-year-old De La Hoya to call it quits for good.

"He'll take the Christmas holidays off and let his body talk to him," Schaefer said. "If he continues, we'd start looking for something next year, maybe around Cinco De Mayo."

De La Hoya came all the way down to 147 pounds for Pacquiao, and would probably have to stay there for Hatton. Were it Hatton and Pacquiao, the likely weight would be 140.

Win or lose, Pacquiao, 29, is not contemplating an immediate retirement. Nor is he expected to be around well into his 30s, but for reasons not directly related to boxing. He ran for a congressional seat in the Philippines last year and lost. The consensus was that portions of his massive fan base voted for his opponent so that they could keep him as a fighter. Once he takes himself out of the boxing ring and his fans believe it is a real retirement, he appears to be easily electable.

"I think he has two or three fights after this one," Arum said, adding that the next elections are in 2010.

After Saturday, other permutations in boxing are infinite.

Floyd Mayweather, retired, unbeaten and still young, could climb back through the ropes any time and create several huge paydays for the sport. Mayweather-Pacquiao I, anybody? Or Mayweather-De La Hoya II?

"Floyd hasn't said a thing to me about fighting anybody," said Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather's longtime manager and confidant, who is working now in Mayweather's promotion and concert business. "I wouldn't say Floyd is in boxing shape right now. But he's in shape. He takes great pride in that."

Then there are the other welterweight and middleweight mainstays -- among them Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, an aging-but-still-game Shane Mosley, and the slightly bigger Kelly Pavlik and retired Joe Calzaghe, who, being a boxer, can and will un-retire any day now. There is also the perpetual comeback threat, Bernard Hopkins, who may fight until he can collect Social Security or at least until he loses his voice.

Then we have promoter Dan Goossen's ultimate wild card, 6-foot-2, 82-inch-reach, skinny-legged-and-big-punch left-hander Paul Williams, who can and will fight anybody from 145 to 160 pounds but has a hard time getting takers.

Goossen claims Arum left $2 million on the table when he passed recently on putting Williams in the ring with Margarito. Arum fired off a letter to Goossen, writing, "I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams."

Arum confirmed those feelings recently when he said, "Paul Williams cannot sell one ticket."

Saturday night, De La Hoya-Pacquiao will start shaking this mix, and the fallout will run down many roads in many directions.

Are we there yet, Daddy?


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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 07:47
by kikibalt
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Marvin Johnson accepting induction into the class of 2008

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 07:49
by kikibalt
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Lennox Lewis accepting induction into the WBHF

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 07:59
by kikibalt
ImageThe Flower of Scotland and the Filipino Rose: Ken Buchanan Vs Manny Pacquiao, Part I
By Peter “The Emperor” Stitt
Ringside Report

Ken Buchanan was born on June 28th, 1945, in the beautiful city of Edinburgh and, in a career that spanned seventeen years, established himself in many people’s minds as the greatest boxer ever to hail from my homeland of Scotland. He was a graceful stylist and a true sportsman whose class and silky skills often distracted the viewer from recognizing the grittiness of the man’s spirit because Buchanan was a fighter first and foremost. It is ironic, given the clichés about wildly drunken Scottish warriors and English slurs about the barbarity of the people “north of the border”, the rugged terrain and the fearsome climate, that Scotland historically produced exceptional legal, educational and health care systems, writers, poets, musicians, scientists and engineers, then produced soccer sides that English teams felt were vastly superior in terms of skill, and then developed a style of boxing that relied upon brain rather than brawn. Paradox or God smiling on an awesome but unkind landscape, on an indomitable people and their poetic spirit?

Buchanan is a complex personality, largely outgoing and friendly but occasionally introspective, sometimes even greedy and resentful, a man who finds it hard to forget long past slights and injustices. He started boxing at the age of eight and was known as the most diligent trainer at the Sparta Amateur Boxing Club in Edinburgh. As Ken often explains, boxing was all he had ever known since such an early age and this led to severe problems in later life. His biggest support and inspiration was his mother and she died before he won his world title, a regret that lives within him still. As an amateur, Buchanan frequently represented Scotland at fight meets around the world and got very used to the idea of fighting in “the lion’s den” as it were and this would serve him well in his future professional career.

Ken Buchanan’s style would have been perfect for a long and illustrious amateur career but it’s pinnacle came in him winning the British ABA featherweight title in 1965 and he turned professional that very year, winning his debut with a 2nd round TKO against Brian “Rocky” Tonks that September. Many people had suspected that Ken’s classical stand-up style, working behind his majestic left jab, would not transfer to the pro ranks but, as Reg Gutteridge put it: “He turned into a real hard pro” as he ran up a 23 fight winning streak, competing mainly in London, before challenging for his first major belt, the British Lightweight title. On February 19th 1968 Buchanan beguiled and bedazzled the unfortunate Maurice Cullen and put him down a total of five times in scoring an 11th round KO, announcing his arrival as a serious contender on the world stage.

In those bygone times fighters still took on risks and our Ken bravely took on the excellent Spaniard Miguel Velasquez in Spain in a challenge for the European title in January 1970. Buchanan was 33-0 and Vasquez was 38-1-1 so it was a very even looking fight but Velasquez, the future WBC Light-Welterweight Champion, did enough to win a 15 round points decision. It was very noticeable that Ken was fighting mainly foreign opposition and didn’t appear terribly interested in defending the domestic title he picked up or in challenging again for the EBU title, he seemed to realise he was good enough for the world and his rankings reflected this aspiration. He didn’t have to wait long for the chance to prove the point.

After three more fights and three more wins, Ken Buchanan was matched with two-time world champion Ismael Laguna from Panama to fight for the world title in Puerto Rico on September 26th 1970. Unfortunately the WBC had withdrawn recognition from Laguna when he failed to defend against their No.1 contender, Mando Ramos, from whom he had taken the title with a 9th rounds cuts stoppage. Because of this alphabet chicanery Ken was challenging for only the WBA title and that, in itself, brought problems because the British Boxing Board of Control were in dispute with the WBA and were, at the time, refusing to recognize WBA title holders.

The result was that, when Ken Buchanan won the title from Laguna via a split decision over 15 rounds, he knew that he was going to be a travelling champion. In overcoming Laguna in Puerto Rico Buchanan had become the first Celt to win a world title in a climate in which Celts normally melt and struggle (remember the complaints after Cruz-McGuigan?). The temperature ranged between 100 and 120 degrees and Laguna’s team had shrewdly taken the corner of the ring that was in the shade whilst the potato-white Scot took his between rounds breaks in the full glare of the sun. The fight itself was a master class of boxing contested between two excellent champions and Ken managed to shake Ismael late in the fight which probably clinched the judges’ verdict. After the result had been announced, Ken turned to his father in the ring and said ruefully: “I wish my mum were here.”

He returned to Edinburgh and was met at the airport by a crowd of five people! Ken knew that, by being forced to fight away from home, his chances of being recognized as a national icon in his homeland were being severely limited and Edinburgh had never been the centre of boxing Glasgow had been so there was little “hometown” support for the lightweight king. The recognition would, however, come in time and, in 1971 Ken received an MBE from the Queen and was voted British Sports Personality of the Year following his unification of the title. Eventually, many years later, Scotland came to realize what a gem we had had in Ken Buchanan but only when he was elected into the Boxing Hall of Fame and our man could then, finally, lay to rest some of the seething resentment that had stemmed from being largely ignored by his own people whilst he was champion.

Ken made two successful defenses of the WBA Title, beating the highly respected Ruben Navarro to also pick up WBC honors via a points decision in Los Angeles in February 1971 and winning stylishly on points in a rematch with Laguna in a Madison Square Garden appearance in September 1971. Buchanan had been stripped of his WBC Title prior to the Laguna rematch for failing to sign to fight Pedro Carrasco who was an over-protected if possibly underrated Spanish fighter. Carrasco got his chance later and won the WBC title via an outrageously officiated fight in Spain but the result was voided and he lost the rematch with the ever-present Mando Ramos. A study of this period in the lightweight division gives the student a headache with alpahabet interference at every turn!

During this time Buchanan also managed to fit in four non-title fights in order to stay busy, an approach today’s stars might wish to consider. Despite being primarily a stylist, Ken Buchanan’s regular fighting in the States had established him as a popular fighter with US fight fans who appreciated the skills and grit of the Scottish hero. Sadly, all wonderful stories have a horrible ending and they do not come more horrible than this one. Dear reader, in your worst nightmare, who would you least like to see at the other side of a boxing ring when the referee has gone on mental vacation and there are no boxing rules? I think that most sane and knowledgeable boxing people would answer that question with the two chilling words “Roberto Duran.”

On the 26th June 1972 the great Scottish stylist accepted the challenge of the unbeaten Roberto Duran at Madison Square Garden. For thirteen rounds Buchanan tried to hold his own against the future Panamanian legend in spite of the endless stream of head-butts, elbows to the face and low blows that referee Johnny LoBianco almost completely ignored (one warning for low blows in the 13th round). The New York crowd was aware of the fouling but, in one of boxing’s most notorious episodes, the rule breaking went without punishment. Disqualification would have been a moderate punishment and that was before the final insult. The fight had started badly for the Scot who slipped as he dodged a punch, went down and took a count as the chime of the opening bell was still fading but it simply went from bad to gruesome.

An exchange towards the end of round 13 continued beyond the bell and the significant strike was (according to some accounts Duran used his knee!) a sickening low blow that left Buchanan writhing in agony (even though he clearly told the referee that he wished to continue) so Duran won the title in one of the most foul filled title fights in history. Duran never wished to give Ken Buchanan a rematch and bitterness festered within the Scot for years though Duran’s subsequently stellar career was some consolation to Ken. And, should anyone doubt the brutality of the fouling throughout that fight, Buchanan was hospitalized and actually needed surgery following the disgusting abuse of the rules on display that night. (Turn away now the more squeamish readers) Buchanan actually suffered a burst testicle and still suffers related pains to this day. Oh, and that final blow to the gonads that was clearly delivered after the bell to end the round? Referee LoBianco ruled that whatever had landed was a “legitimate punch.” How? It was low and launched and delivered after the bell? There can be no argument. I have deep admiration for the great Roberto Duran but his performance that night against Buchanan was a total disgrace to the sport of boxing. Significantly, the bout was Referee LoBianco’s first world title fight, it was also his last….

Following the loss of his world lightweight title Ken fought on and beat former champ Carlos Ortiz with a 6th round retirement in 1972, again in New York, and also managed to beat future WBC champ and fellow Scot Jim Watt over the distance in 1973 to retain his British title and he also picked up the EBU title in this period. Interesting points relating to these fights give some glimpse into Buchanan’s enigmatic character. Whilst he held the world title he had jealously refused to relinquish his British title so Jim Watt entered their fight a very angry young man having been denied the opportunity to challenge for the domestic title for two years. There was a great deal of bad feeling surrounding that fight although the two are now great friends, perhaps because of Watt’s generous and forgiving nature.

When fighting Ortiz at Madison Square Garden, Ken received a visit in his dressing room from Angelo Dundee as Ali was fighting Floyd Patterson on the same bill. Angelo meekly asked “Ken, do you mind if Ali shares your dressing room?” and an amazed Buchanan (who adored Ali) replied in disbelief “Ah, away with you! Don’t be daft.” Angelo went on to explain that it was not a joke and that Ali really did need a dressing room so Ken said “No problem.” When Muhammad arrived in the room he found Buchanan drawing a chalk line on the floor so he asked Ken what he was doing. Buchanan replied “That’s your side and this is my side and if you cross this line you’ll get this.” (Ken pointed to his fist). Ali’s entourage went silent, anticipating trouble, but Muhammad got the joke and just burst into laughter with the sardonic Scot. Another noteworthy result from this period was Ken’s 2nd round stoppage of the excellent Chang Kil Lee in 1972 because Lee was the OPBF Light Welter Champ from 1970 to 1975 and also challenged Antonio Cervantez for the WBA title in the higher weight class in 1974. That’s the level Ken Buchanan was fighting at and still Duran didn’t return his calls.

In spite of lighter moments and continuing success in the ring, Ken Buchanan was not having a great time of it and split with his long-time manager and mentor Eddie Thomas, taking on his father instead, and Ken’s eyebrows were becoming increasingly prone to cutting, not a good sign for a future in boxing. Travelling to opponents’ countries, Buchanan remained unbeaten until he challenged Guts Ishimatsu for the WBC Lightweight title in Japan in February 1975 when he lost a unanimous decision. Ken took the logical and sensible option and retired but then found life outside the ring more difficult than the fighting. He was simply missing boxing and then his wife decided to file for divorce and Ken started drinking heavily. Finding that he was going broke, he reached out for the easiest source of money he knew and the place he had been happiest and returned to the boxing ring.

Eventually he started to suffer permanent damage to his sight and the British Boxing Board of Control revoked his boxing license. Ken’s desperate situation drove him to participate in three unlicensed and illegal fights before he finally realized that the magic had gone and quit permanently in 1982. The modest Scotsman returned to the profession he had entered after leaving school and could be found working happily as a joiner in Edinburgh to pay the bills.

Ken Buchanan was elected into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the year 2000 and this really launched his legend in Scotland. His record when he finally, belatedly, retired was 61-8, 27 KO’s, and Scotland slowly began to realise that her greatest ever fighter was gone. He had only ever been stopped once and then it was down to Roberto Duran’s “out of hours” whack to the gonads and that result can therefore be discounted as something that should never occur in a boxing match. What we have in Ken Buchanan is a master boxer who can also take whatever the opposition throws at him without flinching and he was a natural born lightweight. When asked who was the best fighter he ever faced in his career, Roberto Duran answered immediately and with absolute conviction: “Buchanan.” Consider the man’s results against the men he fought. The boxrec all-time lightweight rankings show the following results: 1. Roberto Duran, 2. Carlos Ortiz, 12. Ismael Laguna, 16. Ken Buchanan.

This is the man that Manny Pacquiao faces in this article.

What need I say about Manny Pacquiao because his stellar career is still ongoing and, deservedly, he is the biggest news in boxing right now with an outstanding record of 47-3-2, 35 KO’s. Manny is more than a national hero in the Philippines, he is an icon and a national treasure and his influence has spread the length and breadth of Asia.

In short, Pacman inspires people and discussion of this phenomenal fighter is often couched in almost religious solemnity which can sometimes lead to the neglect of objectivity. Whilst most Manny fans are aware of (and openly discuss) such limitations as he displays in the ring, there are a minority of others who would back their man to KO King Kong and Godzilla if those fights could be made (and I’m sure Freddie Roach has tried!). As a writer whose words often attract criticism and praise from readers, I cannot afford to lose sight of objectivity so the second part of this article is unlikely to please everyone.

I am either going to upset a lot of people in the Philippines or I am going to infuriate the folks back home in Scotland but no boxing fan will ever doubt the courage of RSR writers in the future. Tune in for Pac two of this article, same Pac-time, same Pac-channel tomorrow…

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 08:39
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Image
Lennox Lewis accepting induction into the WBHF
I was there when Lewis turned pro in the Royal Albert Hall in June 1989. It was a warm night - Christ! The whole summer was hot. I can still remember the bill poster ("Be in at the Beginning"). Lennox thumbed Brummie Al Malcolm in the second round, courtesy of a long jab, and Malcolm took the count. You have to say Frank Maloney steered Lewis brilliantly but I lost interest in Lewis when he and Bowe failed to settle their differences in the ring.
It was the start of something very BAD in boxing: the best fighters avoiding each other.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 09:47
by kikibalt
Oscar De La Hoya gets a statue of limitations

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Legendary Los Angeles boxer Oscar De La Hoya strikes a pose next to the statue of himself that was unveiled at Staples Center on Monday.
The boxer is an L.A. icon, but his bronze likeness outside Staples Center seems inappropriate next to Magic Johnson's and Wayne Gretzky's. He's still fighting, and his connection to the arena is tenuous.

Bill Plaschke
LATimes

A third statue was unveiled outside Staples Center on Monday, joining the likenesses of Magic Johnson and Wayne Gretzky, and you'll never guess who.

Jerry West? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? Chick Hearn?

Think again.

Think of an athlete who is not affiliated with any Staples Center team.

Think of an athlete who competed in the building just once, where he was punched 284 times in a loss.

Think of an athlete who is preparing for a Saturday night competition in which he will probably get pounded again.

The Golden Boy has gone bronze and, no, I can't figure it out either.

Oscar De La Hoya is a Los Angeles hero, certainly, but does he really need to be immortalized so soon, in a place that should be treated with far more reverence, reflecting a history that should be so much richer?

Looking at his statue after Monday's ceremony, at least one Oscar fan asked the obvious question.

"Who gets the next statue?" wondered Javier Razo. "Todd Marinovich of the Avengers?"

Razo loves Oscar. I love Oscar. He has been a strong and proud representative of East L.A., a guy who gives back to the community, a guy who has fought through rocky times to keep his face smooth and his reputation steady.

But to have him raising his arms forever next to Magic's dribble and Gretzky's wave? When there are far more legendary Los Angeles sports stars who have yet to be immortalized? When the guy is still fighting?

Is this the first time in history that someone erected a statue of a guy who, five days later, could be knocked flat on his back?

"The timing is not great," said Tim Leiweke, chairman of AEG, which owns and operates Staples Center. "But when the decision was made, we didn't know he would still be fighting."

Like De La Hoya, Leiweke has done much for this city. Staples Center is a gem, the accompanying L.A. Live complex looks cool, downtown L.A. is getting its groove back. As long as you're not a Kings fan, you could easily endorse Leiweke's one day erecting a statue of himself.

But this one looks like a whiff. This one smells like a sellout.

Last spring, the statue's creation was announced. A week later, it was announced that AEG had bought a minority interest in De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions.

If you believe the two announcements were not related, then I've got 50 youth baseball fields I'll trade you for CC Sabathia.

"There is no relation whatsoever," Leiweke said Monday. "Absolutely no. No way."

When I asked Golden Boy boss Richard Schaefer the same question, I received the same answer, only with an amazed laugh.

"The statue was never discussed in the deal, it had nothing to do with it," Schaefer said.

Then I suppose it is also a coincidence that the statue was unveiled at the start of the final promotion for Saturday's lagging pay-per-view fight in Las Vegas against Manny Pacquiao?

"They picked this date a long time ago," Leiweke said. "It was important to them, so we did it for them."

So this isn't really a tribute to De La Hoya, but a promotional trinket? Like a boxing-glove key chain or a Mexican-flag coffee mug?

If that's the case, did it have to be giant and bronze? I'm sorry, but the first 7-footer to stand outside Staples Center should have been Kareem.

The entire ceremony, held in front of a couple of dozen media members and about 100 fans, felt more like a sales job than a sentimental journey.

Beside master of ceremonies Jim Hill, the stage contained only Leiweke and Schaefer and De La Hoya.

There were references to De La Hoya's old neighborhood, but nobody from East L.A. was given a microphone. There was talk of his boxing greatness, but nobody from the boxing world spoke.

From the pressed suits to the careful speeches, it felt like the completion of a business deal, the fulfillment of a monetary promise, and that's too bad, because the Magic Johnson and Wayne Gretzky statues had given fans such hope.

Finally, in a city where sports history usually equals the life span of Kobe Bryant's socks, and where everything has a price, there was going to be an easily accessed downtown venue where such history was life-size and couldn't be bought.

The Dodgers and Angels could, and should, honor their own with statues outside their ballparks, but everyone else could be honored here, from past Lakers to future Clippers to collegiate stars to De La Hoya, all in the proper time.

Finally, L.A. sports could have its own Hollywood Walk of Fame, only these honors would be real.

Oh well.

Here's hoping Leiweke will appoint an independent commission to oversee future statues, turning the Staples Center front porch into something that is truly L.A., and truly alive.

In the meantime, in a bit of sad karma, the Oscar De La Hoya statue doesn't look much like him. The hair is wrong. The face doesn't fit. It's someone else.

Maybe Todd Marinovich.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 09:57
by Rick Farris
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Lennox Lewis accepting induction into the WBHF
I was there when Lewis turned pro in the Royal Albert Hall in June 1989. It was a warm night - Christ! The whole summer was hot. I can still remember the bill poster ("Be in at the Beginning"). Lennox thumbed Brummie Al Malcolm in the second round, courtesy of a long jab, and Malcolm took the count. You have to say Frank Maloney steered Lewis brilliantly but I lost interest in Lewis when he and Bowe failed to settle their differences in the ring.
It was the start of something very BAD in boxing: the best fighters avoiding each other.
Bennie . . . I agree that the best fighters avoiding each other has contributed to the fall of boxing. The reason we L.A guys have such warm memories of the Olympic is that the best fighters were matched and their records not protected. A perfect example is the Mando Ramos-Frankie Crawford fights. Both boxers were hot L.A. fighters and both on their way to world ranking. The fans wanted a match between these two who held a grudge, and we got one! The result was an early loss on Mando's record, which he would later avenge. The fans were treated to two great fights and despite his losing the first, Mando would still go on to become the youngest champ in the divisions history. Today competitive matches are few and far between, in L.A. we'd have it every week. Of course, no more.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 10:26
by kikibalt
British Olympian Jeffries goes pro

Great Britain’s Tony Jeffries who won a bronze at this years Olympics in the Light Heavyweight division has agreed to go professional. Jeffries 23, a life long Sunderland Football fan signed pro forms with Dennis Hobson’s Fight Academy. He also became the first British Olympian from the 2008 games to go pro. The move was slighty overshadowed by as row over bonuses that Jeffries believes he is owed. Jeffries says that in winning a bronze medal at the Olympics trigged a £5,000 a claim refuted by the ABA Chief Executive Paul King who believes it ended in 2007. The row is likely to rumble on. It has been mentioned that Jeffries will debut in February 2009.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 11:33
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:THE FENCE JUMPERS

Crossing the border back to the U.S. is taking your chances waiting in line for at least an hour. You better hope your car doesn't overheat or you can blow an engine. I kind of know the "fast" way to cross back. Start downtown on 2nd street ,then go over the bridge and hope you get in a line where the customs guy doiesn't have a case of the ass giving everybody the 3rd degree. If you're a big "mucky muck" you can get in the "special line" and cross right away. Big shots like Hank Rhon(who owns the racetrack) or the Presidente Municipal,Jorge Ramos(the mayor) have the "dough" and the connections to come and go as they please.

Funny,people here complain about illegals,but 90% of the people in line are Mexicans. They all have legal documents gotten at our embassies in Mexico. I remember 10 years ago practically all my wife's family were here ilegally. Now they have visas ,green cards,or passports. On top of this, the U.S is doubling the number of gates to 56, to cross into the U.S.

These red necks who cruise the border on the U.S. side to catch illegals crossing into the U.S. by jumping the fence or going under it, are pissing into the wind. Those Mexicans who come to the U.S. legally or have the papers,know they can find jobs Americans won't do. Granted the Mexicans work under union scale,but employers don't like union labor anyway. The bosses on this side can hire Mexicans for half the wages and can throw out the benefits.

Here's a good one about crossing in my car waiting in line. The fan belt snaps in my car. I push my car over to the side. Now there's hundreds of cars around me,but I know how the Mexicans are out there waiting for a bird like me to break down. Sure enough after about 5 minutes here comes a guy pushing a cart. He's got batteries,tools,jumper cables,and cans of gasoline.
"Que pasa",he asks me.
"The fan belt. I need a new one."
"No problem amigo."
He looks at the make and model of my car,pops the hood to see the engine type,and then whistles a kid over on a bike. He tells the kid to peddle to the parts store to get a fan belt. I give him 15 dollars.

While I'm waiting on the side ,here comes two U.S. Custom guys. Now I'm straddling the line between the U.S. and Mexicpo. My car is on the Mexican side. The line actually runs on the "Mexican " side about 100 yards before you get to the crossing.
"Hey bud,what's going on?"one of the big custom guys asks me.
"What's it look like? This guy is going to put a fan belt on my car."
The big prick knew I was having car trouble.
"Well you can't leave your car there."
"Why not? Besides I'm on the Mexican side."
"They'll come and tow it away"says the big custom dude. He had his cuffs and 9 millimeter.,club,pepper spray,and bullet proof vest.
"This shit happens all the time. I'll be out of here in a half hour."
The Mexican guy ,who by now was putting on the fan belt, looked over his shoulder to motion me to the Mexican side of the line. I stepped back over to where my car was. The two Custom guys stood their distance on the U.S. side.

As I was waiting for the mechanic to finish,I was watching the two Custom guys. They had their binoculars out watching the border fence just to the East of the crossing. Some Mexican kids were jumping the fence and then crawling on hands and kness under a U.S. Customs truck. The two Custom guys were laughing. They thought it was funny as hell. They never warned the other Customs guy who was in the truck.
"Hey,"said the big Customs guy who was hassling me."I bet the fat kid won't get over the fence."
His friend was busting up.
"I'll bet you a Big Mac he makes it over."
"I bet he don't"
Both of them were besides themselves.

The mechanc with the cart finished putting on the fan belt.
"How much?"I asked him.
The mechanic put his hand on his chin.
"Give me 30 dollars. It was hard to put on."
Thirty plus the fifteen. On the U.S side I'd be looking at 200 dollars with the tow.
"Amigo,"said the mechanic. "My garage is in Colonia Libertad if you have a problem with your car again."
I gave him the money and shook his hand.

I started my car and got back into line. I passed the two Custom dudes. They didn't see me as I passed by them. They were still laughing at the fat Mexican kid who was trying to cimb over the fence.
Roger . . . I love these stories and Monica enjoyed it too. Monica has been in this country for ten years. When she arrived here she spoke four languages, but not english. As you know, she speaks perfect english today. She has been after me to take her to TJ to shop but before I do I wanted to ask you what I should expect. I haven't crossed the border in more than twenty years and have heard about the traffic, problems, etc. today. Monica has had a green card for years and will become a U.S. citizen next year. Is it best she wait until she has an American passport? She has a Brazilian Visa. I just don't want to try crossing the border on the way home and have one of those Customs pricks tell me she can't leave.

-Rick

Monica's Brazilian passport will work. Check though with the American Consulate. It's probably on a Web Site. I suggest parking on the U.S. side,walking across,and taking a cab. Let me know when you and Monica want to go to TJ. Me and Maria would love to make a day of it with both of you. Rog

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 11:35
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:Image
Marvin Johnson accepting induction into the class of 2008
Tom Kelley is saying,"Marvin took my microphone."

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Dec 2008, 11:41
by dagosd2000
Quote from DeLaHoya /Pacquiao 24/7

Freddie Roach:I've worked with Oscar. He's not a real confident guy."