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Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Mar 2009, 01:18
by Goodnight, Irene
Never thought I'd see someone say Liston-Foreman would last the distance. Not a prayer, IMO, but on with the show.

Tyson's speed is the difference. Bowe has the power & skills, but gets hit simply too often to win. Tyson by KO in five.

Main Event: 1983 Roberto Duran vs. 1992 James Toney. 12 Rounds at Middle.

Undercard: 1979 Earnie Shavers vs. 2001 Hasim Rahman. 12 Rounds at Heavy.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Mar 2009, 12:18
by allworld80
Toney is too slick for Duran at this weight. James by a comfortable margin.

Shavers survives some shaky moments, and gets to the chin of Rahman in the 7th. Shavers KO7.

Wilfred Benitez vs Bernard Hopkins @ 160

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Mar 2009, 12:26
by Goodnight, Irene
Hopkins just a little too good in the end --- Benitez unable to effectively play counter-puncher. Wouldn't be the domination Hopkins produced against his smaller, real-time contemporaries in Trinidad, De La Hoya, & Wright, but he'd get the job done. Hopkins by close --- but clear --- UD. Benitez would give him his share of problems, though.

Main Event: Tommy Hearns vs. Felix Trinidad. 15 rounds at 147lbs, with a rematch clause for 154...

Undercard: Alexis Arguello & Henry Armstrong at Feather, with a rematch clause set down for Lightweight. 15 rounds...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Mar 2009, 19:00
by harrygreb
i dont think the rematches would differ greatly from the result of the first match.

i liked tommy at welter. he looked fast and slick and venomous. here he has too much of it for tito who doesnt make any impression until a decent 6th where hearns visibly slows. picks it up again though in the 7th and slams in long range lefts and right jabs that mark up the face of trinidad. tito fights back in the 8th and hearns now picks his shots at range. the 9th is the decider. tommy whips in crushing rights to the body and lefts to the head tito is stunned and another 6 punch combo prompts the ref to call a halt.
hearns TKO 9

the rematch at 154 is more competitive but hearns still runs out a clear points winner. no knock downs.
hearns UD 12

hank for me beats the very, very good arguello in any division. here at feather he dominates alexis with two handed attacks that come just too fast for arguello to cope. the ref saves alexis from being KO-ed in the 10th by waving it off.
armstrong TKO 10

the rematch at lightweight is a repeat of the first fight only armstrong makes it an easy night for the referee by delivering a round of one sided brilliance, the 8th. non stop attack that ends with arguello sinking to the canvas utterly overwhelmed.
armstrong KO 8

lets stick with the great homicidal pugilist. here he is at welterweight

henry armstrong v ray leonard

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Mar 2009, 23:11
by Goodnight, Irene
Leonard on a close decision, if it's over twelve. Armstrong by an even narrower margin, should it be scheduled for fifteen. Great fight, either way.

Main Event: Billy Conn-Bob Foster. 15 rounds of LHW action...

Undercard: Carmen Basilio-Bernard Hopkins. 12 rounds at Middleweight...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 05:58
by observer1
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Leonard on a close decision, if it's over twelve. Armstrong by an even narrower margin, should it be scheduled for fifteen. Great fight, either way.

Main Event: Billy Conn-Bob Foster. 15 rounds of LHW action...

Undercard: Carmen Basilio-Bernard Hopkins. 12 rounds at Middleweight...
I personally feel Foster would come out on top in a Close but Fair UD. With both guys possible being knocked down along the way, imo anyway.

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Bernard Hopkins all the way imo.

IMO, Hopkins would probably take an easy UD win, possible TKO win in the latter rounds, and would be a shut out. That's what i personally feel anyway

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Joppy v Camacho at MW. 12 Rounds

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 08:29
by Goodnight, Irene
Camacho may've seen better days in lighter divisions, but class isn't something which erodes with weight, & he's too much of it to lose to a real lightweight in Joppy.

Main Event: Alexis Arguello meets Wilfred Benitez at 140lbs...

Undercard: Roger Mayweather & Meldrick Taylor in a 12-rounder at 140lbs...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 11:48
by harrygreb
arguello isnt having much luck with me and yet i regard him very highly. yet again he doesnt have quite enough at 140 to beat benitez. i see wilfred building up a points lead and marking alexis up and with only one good eye takes a bit of a beating in the later rounds. i say he is stopped in 11 rounds.

benitez TKO 11

mayweather's suspect beard is too great a target for taylor who exploits this weakness and lands a series of pinpoint hurtful jabs and heavy right hooks in the 5th that force mayweather to make alternative plans for the next couple of hours.

taylor KO 5

lets try arguello again...

lightweight

alexis arguello v jimmy carter (coming off the 2nd saddler victory)

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 17:53
by AngryGoon38
harrygreb wrote:arguello isnt having much luck with me and yet i regard him very highly. yet again he doesnt have quite enough at 140 to beat benitez. i see wilfred building up a points lead and marking alexis up and with only one good eye takes a bit of a beating in the later rounds. i say he is stopped in 11 rounds.

benitez TKO 11

mayweather's suspect beard is too great a target for taylor who exploits this weakness and lands a series of pinpoint hurtful jabs and heavy right hooks in the 5th that force mayweather to make alternative plans for the next couple of hours.

taylor KO 5

lets try arguello again...

lightweight

alexis arguello v jimmy carter (coming off the 2nd saddler victory)

Arguello by Ko in Round 8 in a thrilling slugfest.


Ernesto Marcel vs Azumah "The Professor" Nelson (@130)-12 Rounds

Frankie "The Surgeon" Randall vs Antonio Cervantes-12 rd's and rematch @ 15 rd's.

Bert Cooper vs Tony Galento-10 Rounds

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 18:46
by allworld80
Nelson wins a hard fought, close fight after decking Marcel in the 11th to secure the UD.

Cervantes scores a thunderous 8th round KO over Randall. In the rematch, Randall stays on his feet, and outboxes Cervantes down the stretch to secure a narrow SD.

Cooper drops Galento twice in the 3rd, twice in the 5th, and finally again in the 6th. The referee stops it, Cooper TKO6.

Like father like son? After defeating the elder Mundine....

Bennie Briscoe vs Anthony Mundine in a middleweight attraction

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Mar 2009, 20:18
by Goodnight, Irene
Mundine lasts seven rounds on his bicycle before Briscoe deals with him. It wouldn't be competitive.

Main Event: Alexis Arguello-Azumah Nelson. 15 rounds at JLW...

Undercard: Kelly Pavlik-Anthony Mundine 12 rounds at MW, tomorrow...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Mar 2009, 08:56
by harrygreb
ahhh heres one i have to give to AA. alexis moves cleverly enough and jabs powerfully enough to keep the marauding ghanaian at bay. nice uppercuts are effective as nelson tries to get in close. 6 rounds of this and arguello has enough success and confidence to start hooking off the uppercut with force.
nelson raises his game in the 9th and 10th and fires things up inside with some body work coming close to the border on occasions. AA decides to ride the fight out at 3/4 range and the bout is his.

arguello UD 15

pavlik wins by TKO in round 9.

lightwelterweight

vinny pazienza v ricky hatton

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Mar 2009, 12:32
by HomicideHenry
Hatton-Pazienza would be a fight, but would end around the 9th or 10th round, with Hatton winning.


Earl Walls vs Rocky Marciano, 1957

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Mar 2009, 17:53
by harrygreb
what an interesting contest. both guys made quick work outa rex layne - earl won even quicker than the rock - here he uses the ring well and lands telling blows on the advancing rocky. rocky manages to get close on occasions and here really makes his presence felt. hurtful infighting and getting tremendous leverage from a tight position, rocky begins to bust walls up. earl is still game and rocky's face is looking a bit ripped after 7 rounds. walls is fighting the fight of his life and is winning the fight when away from the close. tiredness has the ace card though and walls is getting easier to cut off. rocky is finding his range and in the 12th drops earl with a suzy.
he gets up and tries to keep marciano away but the brockton battering ram senses the weakness in earl's body and another right cross puts a game earl walls down for a full count.
great fight. rocky acknowledges the great challenge of earl in an interview post fight.

lets go with walls again this time...

earl walls v roland lastarza 15 heavyweight rounds

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Mar 2009, 18:01
by Goodnight, Irene
LaStarza on a tight decision. It's a shame certain fighters are forever linked to a higher-profile opponent, when greater emphasis on them as fighters wouldn't go astray. LaStarza was better than, "just another Rocky opponent," not that Walls would be easy-money for him.

Main Event: 1970 George Foreman (16-0-0) vs. 1970 Oscar Bonavena (41-5-1)

Undercard: Terry Norris (1992) vs. Oscar De La Hoya (2002) at 154lbs.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 08:52
by harrygreb
i agree about lastarza. an excellent heavyweight completely eclipsed by his loss to marciano.

foreman doesnt waste time in disposing of ringo. the first KD comes in the 3rd as bonavena soaks up georges telegraphed bombs. a minute into the 4th and a left jolts ringo's head back and foreman wades in with a two fisted assault that brings the argentine down and out.

foreman KO 4

norris shows his class in winning a fairly wide decision over oscar.

norris UD 12

back to rollie;

roland lastarza (1950) v floyd patterson (1965)

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 11:23
by observer1
Patterson by UD imo.

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Rony Lyle v Lewis, 15 Rounds

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 12:05
by allworld80
Lewis dusts Lyle in 6. Lyle was a tough, rugged guy, but that only took him so far. Lewis is in a different class.

Humor me..

Kostya Tszyu vs Miguel Cotto @ 140 :box:

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 12:42
by hitman09
Prime Tszyu wins by wide UD. The Tszyu that fought Hatton loses by KO11.

Main Event
Ezzard Charles vs Vitaly Klitschko 12 rds
Undercard
Bernard Hopkins vs Ray Leonard 12rds Middleweight

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 18:15
by Goodnight, Irene
I can't see Cotto's chin holding up at 140 against Tszyu, but to each his own.

Klitschko struggled with Byrd who had elusive qualities & a lot of speed & athleticism. He wasn't a patch on Charles in this department, but he did build himself up & had greater size & physical strength than did Charles. I think it isn't especially easy, but Charles wins the decision. Ever since besting the ordinary Peter, Vitali (traditionally --- & rightly --- regarded as the lesser Klitschko brother) has become a kind of superman. He's always been clumsy & appallingly mechanical, but his size, reach, power & jab prove difficult things to overcome for Charles.

Main Event: 1949 Ezzard Charles vs. 1960 Floyd Patterson. 15 rounds...

Undercard: 1959 Ingemar Johansson vs. 1968 Jimmy Ellis. 15 rounds...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 18:30
by Robinson
Good match up's GI.

Patterson just blasts his way to a win, managing to TKO by cuts
in the 12th round. Charles was able to lead in the middle rounds with
Patterson bursting for 30-40 seconds of many of the rounds.

Patterson TKO 12.

Ingo looks to land the bingo right hand but Ellis is able to slip and
slide out of danger. In the middle rounds Ingo slows up as he stops
setting up his shots. A good even match for most it but it is Ellis
counter skills that blast Ingo in the later rounds.

Ellis UD15.

Jimmy Ellis (1969) Vs George Foreman (1994) 12 rounds

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 18:34
by Goodnight, Irene
This could look something like Foreman-Stewart, IMO. In the end, I think the little man is just a tad too elusive, & pulls out a decision. He'd not be able to hurt Foreman with an iron bar, though, & it'd be a forever-dangerous bout. I'll take Ellis, but victory is certainly within Foreman's reach.

Main Event: 1992 --- George Foreman vs. Lennox Lewis. 12 rounds. Foreman past-it, but dangerous, Lewis green, but dangerous. Hmmm?

Undercard: Duane Bobick vs. Corrie Sanders. 15 rounds...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 18:40
by hitman09
Goodnight, Irene wrote:I can't see Cotto's chin holding up at 140 against Tszyu, but to each his own.

Klitschko struggled with Byrd who had elusive qualities & a lot of speed & athleticism. He wasn't a patch on Charles in this department, but he did build himself up & had greater size & physical strength than did Charles. I think it isn't especially easy, but Charles wins the decision. Ever since besting the ordinary Peter, Vitali (traditionally --- & rightly --- regarded as the lesser Klitschko brother) has become a kind of superman. He's always been clumsy & appallingly mechanical, but his size, reach, power & jab prove difficult things to overcome for Charles.

Main Event: 1949 Ezzard Charles vs. 1960 Floyd Patterson. 15 rounds...

Undercard: 1959 Ingemar Johansson vs. 1968 Jimmy Ellis. 15 rounds...
you forgot the leonard hopkins fight

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 18:45
by Goodnight, Irene
Sorry, mate. I like Hopkins on a very, very narrow decision. He'd have a lot of problems with the Leonard who decisioned Hagler, but he wouldn't be encumbered by the emotional baggage I believe contributed to Hagler's downfall.

Hopkins is smarter than Hagler. He'd win tight over Leonard.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 11 Mar 2009, 15:46
by allworld80
Tough one to call here. Lewis was green for sure, and I think George would have been a bit much for him at that phase. Foreman stalks him the entire way, and finally lands the kill shot in the 9th. Foreman KO9.

Corrie Sanders and Bobick wouldn't last long, and I give the nod to Sanders. Great speed from a HW, and his southpaw stance is too difficult for Bobick to deal with. Sanders scores the 3rd round KO.

Max Schmeling vs Roy Jones Jr. @ a 190 LB catchweight.