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bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Hatton is well in there with Golden Boy promotions. Clearly, he fights the winner of these two.

The above photo is one of the reasons I want Manny to win. Little Pac is surrounded by Golden Boy associates Shane Mosely, Bernard Hopkins, George Lopez, Rob, Oscar's conditioning coach, and a couple others. Little Pac is looking up at scowling Oscar. What a bunch of crap. I really didn't care who won, but now I really want Pac to bust up Oscar De La Hoya, common sense makes Oscar the favorite, but boxers often defy common sense. Oscar's Mafia won't be there for support inside the ropes, it disappoints me that a guy born in East L.A. needs so much support. I never thought Oscar needed a "gang" to intimidate a smaller fighter. Keep in mind, if Oscar was a lightweight, he would be the underdog. Such intimidation tactics might work in ELA and Beverly Hills, but in Manila, life is really tough. Heres the funny part, two of Oscar's minnions, Hopkins and Mosely, have whipped Oscar. Maybe manana, the above photo will feature three boxers who have whipped Oscar? For the first time ever, I'm pulling for a fighter to whip an ELA guy.

-Rick

dagosd2000 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

THE ICE HOUSE

The announcer stood in the middle of the ring waving his arms to quiet everyone down.
"One of the fighters cancelled out."
The field workers sitting in the Ice House started booing and whistling.
"If any of you boys want to get in the ring and fight we can continue the show."
The field workers looked forward to the weekly boxing show at the end of the week. Out in the desert there wasn't anywhere to go to spend your money on. The only entertainment was the boxing matches on Saturday nights at the Ice House. The boys would drink beer and pull for their local fighters at the weekly card. That night one of the fighters didn't show.
"Andale Manny. Get in there. You're his weight."
The Mexican they wanted to go up in the ring and substitue was fun loving but hard and tough and among the others he was a kid who thought nothing of settling matters with his fists.
"If I get in there you guys have to buy me beer the rest of the night. If I win you keep me drunk all year."
His friends were laughing. They knew it wouldn't take anything to coax him to get up there. Besides the kid always figured he could handle any of the field workers.

The kid went to the ring apron and said to the announcer to get him some gear. He was ready. No,he didn't need to warm up. The kid hadn't fought in a boxing match before,but after four rounds his street fighting style was enough to break down his opponent. He was relentless. The crowd at the Ice House was crazy with enthusiasm. The kid was kicking his ass.
"Sigale,sigale !!!"

When the bell rang for the final round,money was flying into the ring. The field workers went through the ropes and lifted the kid on their shoulders.

The kid fought again. He liked it. He made it his career. He traveled the county. Fought at the Garden. He was a Champion.
After fighting. When his legs and reflexes finally convinced him that it wasn't even worth it for the money,he closed the door behind him. Later he drank too much. His liver got sick. He died from drink.

But I remember him. I saw him in those seedy bars downtown later.No one knew who he was. He was the kid that got in the ring that night at the Ice House and became Champion of The World.

Rog, a great story, as always. They just keep getting better and better. Somebody ought to make a movie about Manuel Ortiz. Why isn't there any footage of his fights? It's a real tragedy that someone could have been so great, once upon a time, and be so forgotten by the general public.

Us younger guys (relatively speaking) never got a chance to see him. What we do know was learned by word of mouth. What a loss for real fight fans.

Randy

Rick Farris wrote:

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Hatton is well in there with Golden Boy promotions. Clearly, he fights the winner of these two.

The above photo is one of the reasons I want Manny to win. Little Pac is surrounded by Golden Boy associates Shane Mosely, Bernard Hopkins, George Lopez, Rob, Oscar's conditioning coach, and a couple others. Little Pac is looking up at scowling Oscar. What a bunch of crap. I really didn't care who won, but now I really want Pac to bust up Oscar De La Hoya, common sense makes Oscar the favorite, but boxers often defy common sense. Oscar's Mafia won't be there for support inside the ropes, it disappoints me that a guy born in East L.A. needs so much support. I never thought Oscar needed a "gang" to intimidate a smaller fighter. Keep in mind, if Oscar was a lightweight, he would be the underdog. Such intimidation tactics might work in ELA and Beverly Hills, but in Manila, life is really tough. Heres the funny part, two of Golden Boy's minnions, Hopkins and Mosely, have whipped Oscar. Maybe manana, the above photo will feature three boxers who have whipped Oscar?

-Rick

Ouch!

The above photo is one of the reasons I want Manny to win. Little Pac is surrounded by Golden Boy associates Shane Mosely, Bernard Hopkins, George Lopez, Rob, Oscar's conditioning coach, and a couple others. Little Pac is looking up at scowling Oscar. What a bunch of crap. I really didn't care who won, but now I really want Pac to bust up Oscar De La Hoya, common sense makes Oscar the favorite, but boxers often defy common sense. Oscar's Mafia won't be there for support inside the ropes, it disappoints me that a guy born in East L.A. needs so much support. I never thought Oscar needed a "gang" to intimidate a smaller fighter. Keep in mind, if Oscar was a lightweight, he would be the underdog. Such intimidation tactics might work in ELA and Beverly Hills, but in Manila, life is really tough. Heres the funny part, two of Golden Boy's minnions, Hopkins and Mosely, have whipped Oscar. Maybe manana, the above photo will feature three boxers who have whipped Oscar?

-Rick[/quote]

Ouch![/quote]
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Randy, look at George Lopez! I work work around phony entertainers everyday, but look at the snarl on this toothless dogs face. If he wasn't surrounded by boxers, he'd be kissing the Filippino's ass.

-Rick

Rick said:
The above photo is one of the reasons I want Manny to win. Little Pac is surrounded by Golden Boy associates Shane Mosely, Bernard Hopkins, George Lopez, Rob, Oscar's conditioning coach, and a couple others. Little Pac is looking up at scowling Oscar. What a bunch of crap. I really didn't care who won, but now I really want Pac to bust up Oscar De La Hoya, common sense makes Oscar the favorite, but boxers often defy common sense. Oscar's Mafia won't be there for support inside the ropes, it disappoints me that a guy born in East L.A. needs so much support. I never thought Oscar needed a "gang" to intimidate a smaller fighter. Keep in mind, if Oscar was a lightweight, he would be the underdog. Such intimidation tactics might work in ELA and Beverly Hills, but in Manila, life is really tough. Heres the funny part, two of Oscar's minnions, Hopkins and Mosely, have whipped Oscar. Maybe manana, the above photo will feature three boxers who have whipped Oscar? For the first time ever, I'm pulling for a fighter to whip an ELA guy.

-Rick

Point well taken but in all fairness they are the promotional partners. If they weren't fighters, and if they were wearing suits and ties, it would not be an issue. I understand why most people feel that way. One thing I do 100% agree with, Rick, and that is that no one will be in the ring with him. Every fighter faces his opponent alone. Everything else is just show.

Here's hoping for a great fight my friend!!
Randy

Rick Farris wrote:The above photo is one of the reasons I want Manny to win. Little Pac is surrounded by Golden Boy associates Shane Mosely, Bernard Hopkins, George Lopez, Rob, Oscar's conditioning coach, and a couple others. Little Pac is looking up at scowling Oscar. What a bunch of crap. I really didn't care who won, but now I really want Pac to bust up Oscar De La Hoya, common sense makes Oscar the favorite, but boxers often defy common sense. Oscar's Mafia won't be there for support inside the ropes, it disappoints me that a guy born in East L.A. needs so much support. I never thought Oscar needed a "gang" to intimidate a smaller fighter. Keep in mind, if Oscar was a lightweight, he would be the underdog. Such intimidation tactics might work in ELA and Beverly Hills, but in Manila, life is really tough. Heres the funny part, two of Golden Boy's minnions, Hopkins and Mosely, have whipped Oscar. Maybe manana, the above photo will feature three boxers who have whipped Oscar?

-Rick

Ouch![/quote]

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Randy, look at George Lopez! I work work around phony entertainers everyday, but look at the snarl on this toothless dogs face. If he wasn't surrounded by boxers, he'd be kissing the Filippino's ass.

-Rick[/quote]
Lol, I agree with that!!

Even with his trainers on, Pacquiao is so much smaller than the shoeless Colgate.

From my website:

By: Randy De La O

I have mentioned before that I feel like the Lone Ranger in my support of Oscar De La Hoya but a more accurate analogy would be General George Armstrong Custer making his last stand against the entire Souix and Cheyenne nations. It's a lonely feeling.

Whether Oscar wins his fight with Manny Pacqiauo or not, his career is coming to an end. Even if he fights one or two more times next year, his career is winding down. It's been a great career too. A gold medal in Spain in the 1992 Olympics, several world titles and several great fights. Through it all Oscar has recieved a lot of criticism, some deserved, some not. Oscar may not have won all of his fights but I don't really see that as a big deal. Not even babe Ruth batted a thousand. Everyone loses. Oscar never really made excuses and he was one of the few that took on all challengers. He fought the best of his era and if he came up short a few times it was only because he dared. While everyone else around him were doing their best to avoid each other, trying to keep their positions and rankings or titles, in the hope of fighting Oscar.

We lament about the fighters from the past. We remember how they could lose a fight, shake off the loss and come back and fight again. We loved the old time fighters. No trash talking and no excuses. We complain too, how promoters, managers and just about every hustler looking to make a buck would use up a fighter, then spit him out when they were done with him. So many exfighters ended up broke, alone and maybe a little punch drunk, some more than a little. Some never made it at all.

So, in Oscar De la Hoya, we have a fighter that fought the best of his day. Win lose or draw, he fought the best of his day. In 1996 when De La Hoya fought and beat the great Julio Cesar Chavez, we all thought he did something special. He made it look easy that night. At that time Chavez had suffered only one loss, by split decision to Frankie Randall only two years earlier. Chavez, though no longer at his peak, was still a force to be reckoned with. Why have we retroactively changed the dynamics of that fight?

If Oscar has fallen short at times, and who hasn't, it is only because he is a fighter who takes risks. Fighting guys like Pernell Whitaker, Felix Trinidad, Sugar Shane Mosley, Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather Jr and early in his career, Rafael Ruelas and Genaro Hernandez. In the riskiest of business' DeLa Hoya took plenty of risks.

The late Jerry Quarry, one of the bravest in what is arguably the toughest of occupations once said "No coward ever stepped in to the ring". I agree. It would be an impossibility.

To sum it all up, in De La Hoya we have a fighter that has faced the best, he has been a gracious winner and just as importantly he knew how to lose. He shook of his losses, ignored the criticism and continued to fight, winning some and losing some. Unlike most fighters, Oscar has never touted his own greatness.

In Oscar we have a fighter who made up his mind early on that no one was going use him up and spit him out when they were done with him. In that, he has succeeded like no other fighter before him.

In Oscar, we have a fighter that, despite proving himself over the years in a business where "No coward has ever stepped in to the ring" he continues to be called a coward, even by those that should know better. It's almost shameful.

Oscar fights Manny Pacquiao tonight. On paper it has the makings of a fight that can't fail. I hope it lives up to the expectations. Despite the fact that Pacquiao refuses to face his rightful challenger in Juan Manuel Marquez, he has had an admirable career.

Personally, I think too much is being made of the size difference between the two. Boxing has never been about the height, it has been about the weight.The size issue has been brought up ad nauseam but it is not unprecedented. Carlos Monzon enjoyed a height advantage over Jose Napoles. Tommy Hearns at 6' 1" towered over a 5' 7 1/2" Roberto Duran. Hearns had not only the height advantage but the youth advantage as well. Duran began his career as a 118 pounder and was a natural lightweight. He fought Hearns as a Jr Middleweight. Duran was no Jr. middleweight. Hearns ended his career as a cruiserweight. He was a big man. My point is, is that it is not unprecedented.

Tonight I will be pulling for De la Hoya to win, hopefully by knockout. Pacquiao and his fans can take solace in all the ready made, built in excuses that have been put in place by almost every boxing writer in the country. The same excuses that will ultimately, at least in perception, make De La Hoya's victory appear hollow.

To writers like Doug Krikorian of the Long Beach Press Telegram and others of his ilk, I leave you with this:

.....It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes up short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.......

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

I'm probably the only one here that wants Oscar to win tonight. I hope he does. Whatever way it goes I just hope it's good fight. by good, I mean, real fighting, no controversy and no excuses. As I said earlier, let the best man win.

Although Oscar is taller than Manny it's not as big as all the controversy might suggest. My hope is Oscar will use his jab and reach to keep Manny on the outside. That's stating the obvious, I know. What I really mean is that I hope he continues to use the jab in the later rounds. Oscar has a tendency to abandon his jab when he tires, which brings me to my only real consern in this fight, and a big one. Will Oscar still be strong at this weight? Will the weight loss leave him weak?

Mel Epstein use to tell me that it is better for a fighter to come into a fight a few pounds over than it it is to come in a few pounds too short. A fighter a few pounds short can fight himself into shape. As the fight wears on a fighter that has come in too light has nothing to draw on. I think that narrows down any big advantage that Oscar might have. Add to that his age and the fight matches up a little closer. I don't discount the height and reach advantage, I just think that there are so many other factors in this fight that come into play.

Let's hope it's good night for boxing. Let's hope that it is such a good night for our beloved sport that there will be no reason to criticize either man. Let's hope that it is such a great night for boxing that when someone is asked after the fight how boxing squares up against MMA the answer will be " MMA, what the F**K is MMA?

Randy

Randy, I really don't think size will be a great issue. I wasn't tall, but learned to fight taller, heavier opponents in the gym. Size can be a disadvantage for a bigger boxer, keep in mind a smaller fighter is a smaller taget, and usually faster. Big boxer, big target, big torso for a smaller fighter to take advantage of with body blows. As we all know, you don't need to land a power punch to hurt a man with a liver shot, even a hard, well defined stomach will fold when tapped with a well aimed gancho. What is the only punch to ever put Oscar down for the count? A left hook to the liver, and it need not be delivered by the "Executioner" to have the same effect.

I like a variety of fighting arts, however, the MMA? Trailer trash entertainment. They should hire Jerry Springer as a cage side announcer.

-Rick

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

I'm probably the only one here that wants Oscar to win tonight. I hope he does. Whatever way it goes I just hope it's good fight. by good, I mean, real fighting, no controversy and no excuses. As I said earlier, let the best man win.

Although Oscar is taller than Manny it's not as big as all the controversy might suggest. My hope is Oscar will use his jab and reach to keep Manny on the outside. That's stating the obvious, I know. What I really mean is that I hope he continues to use the jab in the later rounds. Oscar has a tendency to abandon his jab when he tires, which brings me to my only real consern in this fight, and a big one. Will Oscar still be strong at this weight? Will the weight loss leave him weak?

Mel Epstein use to tell me that it is better for a fighter to come into a fight a few pounds over than it it is to come in a few pounds too short. A fighter a few pounds short can fight himself into shape. As the fight wears on a fighter that has come in too light has nothing to draw on. I think that narrows down any big advantage that Oscar might have. Add to that his age and the fight matches up a little closer. I don't discount the height and reach advantage, I just think that there are so many other factors in this fight that come into play.

Let's hope it's good night for boxing. Let's hope that it is such a good night for our beloved sport that there will be no reason to criticize either man. Let's hope that it is such a great night for boxing that when someone is asked after the fight how boxing squares up against MMA the answer will be " MMA, what the F**K is MMA?

Randy

Randy, I really don't think size will be a great issue. I wasn't tall, but learned to fight taller, heavier opponents in the gym. Size can be a disadvantage for a bigger boxer, keep in mind a smaller fighter is a smaller taget, and usually faster. Big boxer, big target, big torso for a smaller fighter to take advantage of with body blows. As we all know, you don't need to land a power punch to hurt a man with a liver shot, even a hard, well defined stomach will fold when tapped with a well aimed gancho. What is the only punch to ever put Oscar down for the count? A left hook to the liver, and it need not be delivered by the "Executioner" to have the same effect.

The MMA? Trailer trash entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less.

-Rick

-Rick

Amen to that my friend, Amen.

Randyman wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

THE ICE HOUSE

The announcer stood in the middle of the ring waving his arms to quiet everyone down.
"One of the fighters cancelled out."
The field workers sitting in the Ice House started booing and whistling.
"If any of you boys want to get in the ring and fight we can continue the show."
The field workers looked forward to the weekly boxing show at the end of the week. Out in the desert there wasn't anywhere to go to spend your money on. The only entertainment was the boxing matches on Saturday nights at the Ice House. The boys would drink beer and pull for their local fighters at the weekly card. That night one of the fighters didn't show.
"Andale Manny. Get in there. You're his weight."
The Mexican they wanted to go up in the ring and substitue was fun loving but hard and tough and among the others he was a kid who thought nothing of settling matters with his fists.
"If I get in there you guys have to buy me beer the rest of the night. If I win you keep me drunk all year."
His friends were laughing. They knew it wouldn't take anything to coax him to get up there. Besides the kid always figured he could handle any of the field workers.

The kid went to the ring apron and said to the announcer to get him some gear. He was ready. No,he didn't need to warm up. The kid hadn't fought in a boxing match before,but after four rounds his street fighting style was enough to break down his opponent. He was relentless. The crowd at the Ice House was crazy with enthusiasm. The kid was kicking his ass.
"Sigale,sigale !!!"

When the bell rang for the final round,money was flying into the ring. The field workers went through the ropes and lifted the kid on their shoulders.

The kid fought again. He liked it. He made it his career. He traveled the county. Fought at the Garden. He was a Champion.
After fighting. When his legs and reflexes finally convinced him that it wasn't even worth it for the money,he closed the door behind him. Later he drank too much. His liver got sick. He died from drink.

But I remember him. I saw him in those seedy bars downtown later.No one knew who he was. He was the kid that got in the ring that night at the Ice House and became Champion of The World.

Rog, a great story, as always. They just keep getting better and better. Somebody ought to make a movie about Manuel Ortiz. Why isn't there any footage of his fights? It's a real tragedy that someone could have been so great, once upon a time, and be so forgotten by the general public.

Us younger guys (relatively speaking) never got a chance to see him. What we do know was learned by word of mouth. What a loss for real fight fans.

Randy

Randy,
I posted this in reply to Rick a page back.

Rick, I have one of Ortiz's fights on DVD, vs Luis Castillo, Ortiz didn't shine on that fight, not because he wasn't in shape, Castillo was so short that he made everybody look bad, shit he was only 4'11, Ortiz would bend down and he was still taller then Castillo, but he still won by tko.

I'll check back later guys. My granddaughters have a cheerleader competition in Obregon Park in east L.A.. Gotta go show my support.

Randy

Frank wrote:

Randy,
I posted this in reply to Rick a page back.

Rick, I have one of Ortiz's fights on DVD, vs Luis Castillo, Ortiz didn't shine on that fight, not because he wasn't in shape, Castillo was so short that he made everybody look bad, shit he was only 4'11, Ortiz would bend down and he was still taller then Castillo, but he still won by tko.

Frank, I would love to see that DVD. Any chance?

Randy

The wife is yelling at me to get off the computer so we can go! Grrrr!

Randyman wrote:

Frank wrote:

Randy,
I posted this in reply to Rick a page back.

Rick, I have one of Ortiz's fights on DVD, vs Luis Castillo, Ortiz didn't shine on that fight, not because he wasn't in shape, Castillo was so short that he made everybody look bad, shit he was only 4'11, Ortiz would bend down and he was still taller then Castillo, but he still won by tko.

Frank, I would love to see that DVD. Any chance?

Randy

Yes!!, I'm getting some new ones on Frankie and Tony too.

Before I sound like an Oscar hater, let me say that I am not. In many ways he is the American dream, and one helluva fighter(by today's standards). What I like about Oscar is that if people stop showing their envy or resentment for his success, maybe they can appreciate that the so called "American Dream" still exists for those wiling to set a goal and follow thru with it. He's also an ELA guy, regardless of where he lives today. Maybe Oscar doesn't hang out in Lincoln Park and drink beer with the homies, but he has invested millions in his old community and much of it is aimed at towards the youth. It's Oscar's contribution to the kids of ELA that impresses me, just as I shall always be impressed and grateful to Frank Baltazar for his contribution to youth. I wasn't born in ELA, but I spent a lot of time there and I know that Frank wasn't just helping his boys, but all of the kids who boxed in the Jr. GG's, including myself.

Rick

Randyman wrote:The wife is yelling at me to get off the computer so we can go! Grrrr!

What is it with women? Monica and Jeri must be on the same time table because now I'm getting this,
"How much longer are you going to be sitting there. We have this to do, and we have that to do." Randy, this isn't my first marital relationship, Hell, it isn't even my second. I knew what I was getting into and, to be honest, it ain't so bad. Guys, I gotta go. Enjoy the fight tonight. I will, regardless of the winner.

By the way, Rodolfo Gonzalez called both Sacrtissue and myself to tell us he is in Las Vegas, compliments of Golden Boy Promotions, along with a house full of Mexican legends that Oscar invited to join in. This is another thing I like about Oscar, all reports validate that DLH is very fair and considerate of boxers, past and present, and this includes how he pays those who fight for him. His promotional company is not crooked like the Arum's, Kings, and Eatons. "El Gato" is scheduled to be interviewed in the Latino broadcast of HBO pay-per-view, regarding his thoughts about the match. However, let there be no doubt, I want Pac to win this one.

A legitimate fair boxing promoter? What's the world coming too?

-Ricardo

Rick,thats good news about how Oscar looks after fighters.
My thoughts are, in the long run, that could be one thing that helps keep this sport on the map.
The last thing boxing needs is more gangsterism when mma and even youth soccer are taking away fans and more importantly, PARTICIPANTS.

TWO OLD MEN DECIDE THEY ARE CLOSE TO THEIR LAST DAYS AND DECIDE TO HAVE A LAST NIGHT ON THE TOWN. AFTER A FEW DRINKS, THEY END UP AT THE LOCAL BROTHEL.

THE MADAM TAKES ONE LOOK AT THE TWO OLD GEEZERS AND WHISPERS TO HER MANAGER , 'GO UP TO THE FIRST TWO BEDROOMS AND PUT AN INFLATED DOLL IN EACH BED. THESE TWO ARE SO OLD AND DRUNK, I'M NOT WASTING TWO OF MY GIRLS ON THEM. THEY WON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.'

THE MANAGER DOES AS HE IS TOLD AND THE TWO OLD MEN GO UPSTAIRS AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

AS THEY ARE WALKING HOME THE FIRST MAN SAYS, 'YOU KNOW, I TH INK MY GIRL WAS DEAD!'

'DEAD?' SAYS HIS FRIEND, 'WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?'

'WELL, SHE NEVER MOVED OR MADE A SOUND ALL THE TIME I WAS LOVING HER.'

HIS FRIEND SAYS, 'COULD BE WORSE I THINK MINE WAS A WITCH.''

'A WITCH ??. . WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SAY THAT?'

'WELL, I WAS MAKING LOVE TO HER, KISSING HER ON THE NECK, AND I GAVE HER A LITTLE BITE, THEN SHE FARTED AND FLEW OUT THE WINDOW............. TOOK MY TEETH WITH HER!'

"'Fritzie Zivic"

By Diego

I just got back from watching my granddaughters perform at the cheerleading competition. My daughter Meranda was a cheerleader throughout her high school years. She's the head coach for the cheerleadiing squads in Sorenson Park here in Whittier.

It was actually a lot of fun, and not just because I had five delicious tacos from the concession stand. The girls are all hard working and dedicated. It reminded me of being at an amateur fight with all the kids cheering on their team mates.

I was watching my daughter closely. I was proud of the way she handled all the girls. She reminded me of a boxing coach. Coaxing and encouraging the girls and giving them the benefit of her experience. She had to come up with all the dance routines herself. No easy task.

There were several age groups and she had girls in all of them. Watching all the girls on my daughters squads took me back to the days when she was in high school. I went to all the football games, not because I like football but because my daughter was performing. She had her own particular style of dancing and cheering, and watching the girls I noticed all the little nuances that were the trademark of daughter, the movement that made her a great cheerleader. She was passing it on.

There came a point at the end of the competition when all the coaches were called up, unexpectedly to perform. All the girls were cheering for their coaches, in this case, for my daughter. At thirty years of age she still has heart. I recognized that. I think you guys would too.

Just as I did with my son when he wrestled, played soccer and football in school and boxed, I cheered for my daughter and granddaughters. I don't care what people think. I support my kids and grandkids with everything I have.

Randy

Expug wrote:Rick,thats good news about how Oscar looks after fighters.
My thoughts are, in the long run, that could be one thing that helps keep this sport on the map.
The last thing boxing needs is more gangsterism when mma and even youth soccer are taking away fans and more importantly, PARTICIPANTS.

I agree Brian, I hope he stays that way.

Randyman wrote:I just got back from watching my granddaughters perform at the cheerleading competition. My daughter Meranda was a cheerleader throughout her high school years. She's the head coach for the cheerleadiing squads in Sorenson Park here in Whittier.

It was actually a lot of fun, and not just because I had five delicious tacos from the concession stand. The girls are all hard working and dedicated. It reminded me of being at an amateur fight with all the kids cheering on their team mates.

I was watching my daughter closely. I was proud of the way she handled all the girls. She reminded me of a boxing coach. Coaxing and encouraging the girls and giving them the benefit of her experience. She had to come up with all the dance routines herself. No easy task.

There were several age groups and she had girls in all of them. Watching all the girls on my daughters squads took me back to the days when she was in high school. I went to all the football games, not because I like football but because my daughter was performing. She had her own particular style of dancing and cheering, and watching the girls I noticed all the little nuances that were the trademark of daughter, the movement that made her a great cheerleader. She was passing it on.

There came a point at the end of the competition when all the coaches were called up, unexpectedly to perform. All the girls were cheering for their coaches, in this case, for my daughter. At thirty years of age she still has heart. I recognized that. I think you guys would too.

Just as I did with my son when he wrestled, played soccer and football in school and boxed, I cheered for my daughter and granddaughters. I don't care what people think. I support my kids and grandkids with everything I have.

Randy

As it should be, Randy. You are a great father & grandfather. Great friend, as well.

-Rick

kikibalt wrote:TWO OLD MEN DECIDE THEY ARE CLOSE TO THEIR LAST DAYS AND DECIDE TO HAVE A LAST NIGHT ON THE TOWN. AFTER A FEW DRINKS, THEY END UP AT THE LOCAL BROTHEL.

THE MADAM TAKES ONE LOOK AT THE TWO OLD GEEZERS AND WHISPERS TO HER MANAGER , 'GO UP TO THE FIRST TWO BEDROOMS AND PUT AN INFLATED DOLL IN EACH BED. THESE TWO ARE SO OLD AND DRUNK, I'M NOT WASTING TWO OF MY GIRLS ON THEM. THEY WON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.'

THE MANAGER DOES AS HE IS TOLD AND THE TWO OLD MEN GO UPSTAIRS AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

AS THEY ARE WALKING HOME THE FIRST MAN SAYS, 'YOU KNOW, I TH INK MY GIRL WAS DEAD!'

'DEAD?' SAYS HIS FRIEND, 'WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?'

'WELL, SHE NEVER MOVED OR MADE A SOUND ALL THE TIME I WAS LOVING HER.'

HIS FRIEND SAYS, 'COULD BE WORSE I THINK MINE WAS A WITCH.''

'A WITCH ??. . WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SAY THAT?'

'WELL, I WAS MAKING LOVE TO HER, KISSING HER ON THE NECK, AND I GAVE HER A LITTLE BITE, THEN SHE FARTED AND FLEW OUT THE WINDOW............. TOOK MY TEETH WITH HER!'

Frank, I couldn't stop laughing. I had to show Jeri. She's still laughing. Keep them coming!!

Randy

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:I just got back from watching my granddaughters perform at the cheerleading competition. My daughter Meranda was a cheerleader throughout her high school years. She's the head coach for the cheerleadiing squads in Sorenson Park here in Whittier.

It was actually a lot of fun, and not just because I had five delicious tacos from the concession stand. The girls are all hard working and dedicated. It reminded me of being at an amateur fight with all the kids cheering on their team mates.

I was watching my daughter closely. I was proud of the way she handled all the girls. She reminded me of a boxing coach. Coaxing and encouraging the girls and giving them the benefit of her experience. She had to come up with all the dance routines herself. No easy task.

There were several age groups and she had girls in all of them. Watching all the girls on my daughters squads took me back to the days when she was in high school. I went to all the football games, not because I like football but because my daughter was performing. She had her own particular style of dancing and cheering, and watching the girls I noticed all the little nuances that were the trademark of daughter, the movement that made her a great cheerleader. She was passing it on.

There came a point at the end of the competition when all the coaches were called up, unexpectedly to perform. All the girls were cheering for their coaches, in this case, for my daughter. At thirty years of age she still has heart. I recognized that. I think you guys would too.

Just as I did with my son when he wrestled, played soccer and football in school and boxed, I cheered for my daughter and granddaughters. I don't care what people think. I support my kids and grandkids with everything I have.

Randy

As it should be, Randy. You are a great father & grandfather. Great friend, as well.

-Rick

Thanks, Rick