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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:25
by Rick Farris
Expug wrote:Rick,thats good news about how Oscar looks after fighters.
My thoughts are, in the long run, that could be one thing that helps keep this sport on the map.
The last thing boxing needs is more gangsterism when mma and even youth soccer are taking away fans and more importantly, PARTICIPANTS.
Brian, you hit the nail on the head. Boxing needs strong participation, reason for men of today to want to box instead of looking down other roads. In the film industry, producers are like boxing promoters, it's all about money. However, we once had a great producer whom everybody in town desired to work with, and that was Michael Landon, whose success was multiplied by his kind and generous treatment of his employees. I know this for a fact, because I was one of them. In Hollywood, when Michael Landon died, so died the goose that laid the golden egg. Michael, like Oscar, took a talented group of film professionals, artists and technicians, and gave us every opportunity to be the best we could be and the result was a successful production year-after-year. He spent money, and he made huge money. He was a true television icon . . . Great actor, producer, writer, director and human being. Like Oscar, Mike had an ego, but what over achiever does not? If Oscar, like Landon, is for the overall good of boxing and boxers, he will remain a success. My opinion.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:27
by Randyman
Enjoy the fight tonight guys. Jeri and I will be at Ed Hernandez' son's house watching the fight. By the way, Rick and all of you guys that were at the Hall of Fame, thanks for making my friend Ed feel so welcome. He had a great time and really enjoyed meeting all of you.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:31
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:Enjoy the fight tonight guys. Jeri and I will be at Ed Hernandez' son's house watching the fight. By the way, Rick and all of you guys that were at the Hall of Fame, thanks for making my friend Ed feel so welcome. He had a great time and really enjoyed meeting all of you.

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Randy . . . Please tell Ed I said "Hi" and that I hope he will join us at next years banquet.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:32
by Expug
Gotta work the Bulls game.
Wish I could see the fight.
Can you guys give a review?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:35
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Rick,thats good news about how Oscar looks after fighters.
My thoughts are, in the long run, that could be one thing that helps keep this sport on the map.
The last thing boxing needs is more gangsterism when mma and even youth soccer are taking away fans and more importantly, PARTICIPANTS.
Brian, you hit the nail on the head. Boxing needs strong participation, reason for men of today to want to box instead of looking down other roads. In the film industry, producers are like boxing promoters, it's all about money. However, we once had a great producer whom everybody in town desired to work with, and that was Michael Landon, whose success was multiplied by his kind and generous treatment of his employees. I know this for a fact, because I was one of them. In Hollywood, when Michael Landon died, so died the goose that laid the golden egg. Michael, like Oscar, took a talented group of film professionals, artists and technicians, and gave them every opportunity to be the best they could be and the result was a successful production year-after-year. He spent money, and he made huge money. He was a true television icon . . . Great actor, producer, writer, director and human being. Like Oscar, Mike had an ego, but what over achiever does not? If Oscar, like Landon, is for the overall good of boxing and boxers, he will remain a success. My opinion.

-Rick
Rick, thank you so much for sharing that with us. Michael Landon was and is one of my favorite television actors. Both his roles, as "Little Joe" Cartwright and Charles Ingalls are among my all time favorite. It's good to know that he was well loved and respected by both his peers and by those that worked for him. That's a true measure of success. We should all be so lucky.

Randy :bow:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:39
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:I just got back from watching my granddaughters perform at the cheerleading competition. My daughter Meranda was a cheerleader throughout her high school years. She's the head coach for the cheerleadiing squads in Sorenson Park here in Whittier.

It was actually a lot of fun, and not just because I had five delicious tacos from the concession stand. The girls are all hard working and dedicated. It reminded me of being at an amateur fight with all the kids cheering on their team mates.

I was watching my daughter closely. I was proud of the way she handled all the girls. She reminded me of a boxing coach. Coaxing and encouraging the girls and giving them the benefit of her experience. She had to come up with all the dance routines herself. No easy task.

There were several age groups and she had girls in all of them. Watching all the girls on my daughters squads took me back to the days when she was in high school. I went to all the football games, not because I like football but because my daughter was performing. She had her own particular style of dancing and cheering, and watching the girls I noticed all the little nuances that were the trademark of daughter, the movement that made her a great cheerleader. She was passing it on.

There came a point at the end of the competition when all the coaches were called up, unexpectedly to perform. All the girls were cheering for their coaches, in this case, for my daughter. At thirty years of age she still has heart. I recognized that. I think you guys would too.

Just as I did with my son when he wrestled, played soccer and football in school and boxed, I cheered for my daughter and granddaughters. I don't care what people think. I support my kids and grandkids with everything I have.

Randy :D

As it should be, Randy. You are a great father & grandfather. Great friend, as well.

-Rick
I'll second that.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:40
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:Enjoy the fight tonight guys. Jeri and I will be at Ed Hernandez' son's house watching the fight. By the way, Rick and all of you guys that were at the Hall of Fame, thanks for making my friend Ed feel so welcome. He had a great time and really enjoyed meeting all of you.

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Randy . . . Please tell Ed I said "Hi" and that I hope he will join us at next years banquet.

-Rick
I'll second that.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:40
by Randyman
Expug wrote:Gotta work the Bulls game.
Wish I could see the fight.
Can you guys give a review?
:TU: I'm sure all of us that watch the fight will be writing about it tomorrow. It'll be later in the day for me. I have to be at work at 4:00 in the morning. That kinda dampens my night a little but I have done it a thousand times before.

Randy :box:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:41
by Randyman
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:Enjoy the fight tonight guys. Jeri and I will be at Ed Hernandez' son's house watching the fight. By the way, Rick and all of you guys that were at the Hall of Fame, thanks for making my friend Ed feel so welcome. He had a great time and really enjoyed meeting all of you.

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Randy . . . Please tell Ed I said "Hi" and that I hope he will join us at next years banquet.

-Rick
I'll second that.
I'll tell him. :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:54
by dagosd2000
THE CROWD CHASER

I guess they don't do it anymore. Have the the crowd chasers after the main event.
"Two more bouts to follow",Johnnie Addie would say at the Gerden.
After Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,and Sugar Ray Robinson,there'd be the "Two more bouts to follow." They used to call them "crowd chasers."

So that's it. I've seen the Championship fight. Why would I want to waste my time watching a couple of 4 rounders. Figure I could watch maybe a few rounds and then get back to my car without fighting the crowd. Wait for them to filter out.

Maybe it's two boys in their teens fighting their first Pro fight. How do they follow Joe Louis and Billy Conn? Got to put on a good show or they won't be coming back. But someone will be watching. A matchmaker. A promoter.Fighting is still a business. But this is where it starts. Oh,Louis never fought on an undercard. But Joe was special. He had the goods.

Win that "crowd chaser." Win by a KO. Maybe next time they'll have to see you first before the main event arrives. But then again they always show up just before the main event. I guess Joe Louis could say that never happened to him.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 20:22
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:THE CROWD CHASER

I guess they don't do it anymore. Have the the crowd chasers after the main event.
"Two more bouts to follow",Johnnie Addie would say at the Gerden.
After Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,and Sugar Ray Robinson,there'd be the "Two more bouts to follow." They used to call them "crowd chasers."

So that's it. I've seen the Championship fight. Why would I want to waste my time watching a couple of 4 rounders. Figure I could watch maybe a few rounds and then get back to my car without fighting the crowd. Wait for them to filter out.

Maybe it's two boys in their teens fighting their first Pro fight. How do they follow Joe Louis and Billy Conn? Got to put on a good show or they won't be coming back. But someone will be watching. A matchmaker. A promoter.Fighting is still a business. But this is where it starts. Oh,Louis never fought on an undercard. But Joe was special. He had the goods.

Win that "crowd chaser." Win by a KO. Maybe next time they'll have to see you first before the main event arrives. But then again they always show up just before the main event. I guess Joe Louis could say that never happened to him.
"Crowd Chaser" I'll never forget the crowd chaser on the nite that Art Aragon fought Jimmy Carter for the Lightweight title in 1951, it was my gym friend Keeny Teran vs Bobby Garza, Keeny won by UD.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 21:06
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Rick,thats good news about how Oscar looks after fighters.
My thoughts are, in the long run, that could be one thing that helps keep this sport on the map.
The last thing boxing needs is more gangsterism when mma and even youth soccer are taking away fans and more importantly, PARTICIPANTS.
Brian, you hit the nail on the head. Boxing needs strong participation, reason for men of today to want to box instead of looking down other roads. In the film industry, producers are like boxing promoters, it's all about money. However, we once had a great producer whom everybody in town desired to work with, and that was Michael Landon, whose success was multiplied by his kind and generous treatment of his employees. I know this for a fact, because I was one of them. In Hollywood, when Michael Landon died, so died the goose that laid the golden egg. Michael, like Oscar, took a talented group of film professionals, artists and technicians, and gave them every opportunity to be the best they could be and the result was a successful production year-after-year. He spent money, and he made huge money. He was a true television icon . . . Great actor, producer, writer, director and human being. Like Oscar, Mike had an ego, but what over achiever does not? If Oscar, like Landon, is for the overall good of boxing and boxers, he will remain a success. My opinion.

-Rick
Rick, thank you so much for sharing that with us. Michael Landon was and is one of my favorite television actors. Both his roles, as "Little Joe" Cartwright and Charles Ingalls are among my all time favorite. It's good to know that he was well loved and respected by both his peers and by those that worked for him. That's a true measure of success. We should all be so lucky.

Randy :bow:
Randy, I worked for Landon on the last two seasons of "Little House", five more on "Highway To Heaven", a couple TV Movies and his last Pilot in 1990, one that was bought by CBS and gave LAndon the 100% control he demanded. We'd bring everything in ahead of schedule and under budget. Michael shared the profits. He'd get $million per episode from NBC on Little House, and we'd bring it in under $600,000. The remaining $400,000 belonged to Michael, and thru over scale wages, low hours, huge annual bonuses for everybody (top-to-bottom in his company), he had the highest paid, best treated crew in Hollywood. And our families were close as Mike encouraged film tech's to invite their wives and kids to the set. It was the greatest part of my career, and I've had some great experiences. Night work was rare, Mike shot smart and we'd work eight hour days instead of 16 hrs. as most TV series shoot today. Mike was the ultimate pro. We all loved him, seriously. I was honored to be a part of a great company. Mike had cameramen who were in their 80's that had shot Bonanaza years earlier. He made film making fun! Nobody wanted to retire and Mike would never pull anybody off due to age. But then again, he had the elite of Hollywood Film pros on his team, the old school guys preferred to die out of the business.

Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 21:12
by Rick Farris
In 1991, a week before his death, Michael Landon (age 54) tells the world . . . "Live every day guys . . "

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 21:34
by Rick Farris
A Michael Landon memory . . .

On the NBC-TV series' "Little House on the Praire" and "Highway to Heaven", Michael Landon's co-star was veteran actor/director, Victor French. Vic played the bearded Mr. Edwards on "Little House" and Mark Gordon on "Hwy2Hvn". He was also a major boxing fan, and was helping the Goossen family's "Ten Goose Boxing Club" financially and professionally, bringing in popular film & TV personalities to sit at the "Celebrity Table. Vic made possible the comeback of Frankie Duarte, and the Goossen's aquiring '84 Olympic Trial finalist Michael Nunn. Victor and I were very close friends. He died of cancer at 54, in 1989. Michael Landon would die of cancer exactly two years later.

The fights are about to start, so I'll sign off for now. More on Michael Landon, Victor French and their boxing histories later.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 00:48
by Rick Farris
MANNY PACQUIAO . . . One-sided TKO over Oscar. DLH never in fight, badly beaten. Pac an all-time great, no doubt.

Got my wish. Something good happened for boxing tonight.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 01:14
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:MANNY PACQUIAO . . . One-sided TKO over Oscar. DLH never in fight, badly beaten. Pac an all-time great, no doubt.

Got my wish. Something good happened for boxing tonight.

-Rick
As one-sided as one-sided can be, Oscar was never in the fight, he just got old and he did what many good/great fighters have done in the past, fight one fight to many, its time for him to ride into the sunset and leave the fighting to the young guys, like I always told my boys "fighting is a young man's sport".

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 01:22
by kikibalt
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 01:28
by Chuck1052
I didn't see the fight tonight, but was wondering if it was similar to the first bout between Manny Pacquiao and Marco Antonio Barrera. I remember that Pacquiao was much too quick for Barrera, resulting in a lopsided win.

- Chuck Johnston

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 01:30
by Expug
Rick, thanks for the stories about Michael Landon
The two of you worked well together Im sure.Both outstanding individuals.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 03:04
by raylawpc
Hi guys. I'm back from three weeks in New Zealand. I've got some Fitz pictures from Timaru. If you're interested, I post them Monday or Tuesday when I have access to high-speed internet.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 04:38
by bennie
Boxing just ain't boxing anymore. The old adages, the old tried and tested beliefs, the old system - all gone. Klitschko waltzes out of retirement to win back the WBC heavyweight title in his first fight for four years, Pacquiao pastes DLH despite conceding masses of natural weight, Audley Harrison, the fresher, sharper man, loses to an Irish taxi driver...
Barmy.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 04:41
by bennie
raylawpc wrote:Hi guys. I'm back from three weeks in New Zealand. I've got some Fitz pictures from Timaru. If you're interested, I post them Monday or Tuesday when I have access to high-speed internet.
Welcome back, Ray. Look forward to the pics. :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 04:55
by dagosd2000
THE NEW WORLD

I just rolled in. I'll try to put my thoughts on the fight together,but I'm a little f----d up. Crossed the border to watch the thing at the Sports Book. Yeh,I thought I'd put A little wager on it. You see Oscar has made money for me before,by losing. Hopkins,Pretty Boy. But this time I got some good odds. 2 to 1, so I put a hundred down on Pacman to win. If I knew Oscar was going to look that bad ,I could have scored bigger if I picked the KO.

Oscar looked older than a hobo's shoes. 145? He couldn't even put on weight after the weigh in. He was all dried up. Like he took some funny pills to get that low. But who would test him? The Commission? Hell,him and Arum are the Commission.

Well after cashing in,it was across the street to the Monaco. The place hasn't changed much. As much beer on the floor as there is on the bar. Dance floor in the middle with one of those big glass balls hanging down with the lights hitting it for that strobe light effect. Had a band . They were horrible,but they played real loud. I don't think any music critics were in the house.

I can't get a buzz on any booze anymore but tequila. Anything else just gives me a headache. After getting acquainted with Jose Cuervo,I let my guard down reminiscent of DeLaHoya. I had no defenses. So there she was. Sitting at the end of the bar wearing a blonde wig and a dress that told me I wouldn't have to go to the Grand Canyon for the summer. After inviting her over to my table(making sure I wiped all the beer off the seat)we indulged in a foreplay of lying to each other. She told me her name was Petunia. I told her my name was Oscar.

After enough of that,it was out the door to the Hotel Never Never Land. I pretended I was Christopher Columbus exploring the New World. It was quite an adventure. After tucking in my sails,Petunia got the rest of my winnings from the Sports Book.
"Gracias amor",said Petunia.
"You can thank DeLa Hoya," I answered.

Maybe Oscar will fight again next year. All this Pacquiao stuff will be forgotten by then. Besides, by that time I'd like to revisit the New World.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 06:13
by bennie
Great win for Carl Froch last night. He came through a war with previously unbeaten Canadian Jean Pascal to win a major world title. He may be the first man from Nottingham to win a world title.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 06:57
by bennie
The big British boxing night is over and, as expected, there were thrills, spills, upsets - everything. Carl Froch walked into slick, heavy handed, previously unbeaten Canadian Jean Pascal and pounded out a thrilling 12-round decision in his own Nottingham fortress for the WBC super-middleweight title. Nice.
Strongman Froch did exactly the right thing as he lured Pascal into a war, a battle of attrition. Carl "The Cobra", who somehow makes 12 stone, is not going to lose any tear-ups at this stage of his career. His style and his porous defence, however, make you wonder about his long-term future at this level, although he can certainly soak up a punch. Take a fight with Calzaghe now, take the money. Froch might just 'do' the quick but rapidly ageing Welshman.
On the same night in London Amir Khan blitzed Irish trier Oisin Fagan in two empahtic rounds. Khan can dish it out, all right. Can he take it? This is the quandary facing him and his new trainer Freddie Roach, who had a pretty good night, over the next couple of years. The 21-year-old Khan can only go out there and win in the meantime and his lightning-speed and reflexes put him a class above the likes of Fagan. Plus, boxing fans have short memories. A few more wins like this, and Breidis Prescott will only get a casual mention. Seriously. More defining tests have to happen one day, though.
As for Audley Harrison, I'm sorry, the guy is useless. He won an Olympic gold medal because he mastered the computer scoring system used in the amateur game, not beause he mastered boxing. His heart is not in it - never was, never will be. Anyone with heart is going to expose him over a distance. Well done Martin Rogan. Enjoy the next few heady months. Unbeaten, you deserve a crack at something big.