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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 18:26
by kikibalt
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 18:58
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 19:05
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 19:28
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 19:35
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 20:44
by Expug
kikibalt wrote:
Sonny Liston

Sonny used to train to the song called "Night Train".
You can feel it in the background of these photos.
Thats a good "Fighters Tune".
I would say.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 20:45
by kikibalt

Sonny Liston vs Cassius Clay
February 25, 1964, Miami Beach Convention Center, Miami Beach, Flordia
"I can't lift my arm, that's it." Liston told his trainer Willie Reddish at end of round number six. Willie Reddish reinserted the mouthguard and Liston spate it out saying "That's It!"
"We'll y'know another place, another time" responded a heart broken Willie Reddish as Charles Sonny Liston became only the second man in the modern history of the heavyweight division to have retired on his stool, the other being Jess Willard following a horrific beating at the hands of Jack Dempsey.
Sonny Liston had injured his shoulder in training and thought he could get by without having to postpone the fight.
Interestingly, the scoring was split, Judge Lovett 58-56 Liston, Judge Jacobson 59-56 Clay and Referee Felix 57-57. Thus, Sonny Liston retired his championship at a moment in time when he stood even with Cassius Clay.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 20:49
by kikibalt
Expug wrote:kikibalt wrote:
Sonny Liston

Sonny used to train to the song called "Night Train".
You can feel it in the background of these photos.
Thats a good "Fighters Tune".
I would say.
Here is "Night Train"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJwUZN_f06c
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 20:58
by kikibalt
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 21:32
by kikibalt
Received this card from Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez,
don't know why, she is not my congress person

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 21:45
by kikibalt
David Haye: Can he Become the Next Big Thing?
By Gene Ramirez
RSR
David Haye has now taken his first steps into the heavyweight division. A few weeks ago he took down Monte Barrett in 5 action packed rounds. Haye showed off his exciting style while also showing some weaknesses as well. In the fifth round before ultimately taking out Barrett, he was rocked with a left hook as he got sloppy with his punches.
David Haye represents the best chance for a real superstar to evolve from a division that has seen better days. The Klitschko brothers are no doubt skilled and a great draw in Europe but their appeal here in the U.S. is Luke warm at best. The Klitschko's are for a lack of a better word, boring. They go about their business and handle themselves like a pro should. They are role models for many young Europeans and that is very admirable. Neither, however, creates much of a buzz around the heavyweight division.
Now I am not old enough to remember the great heavyweights of the 60s and 70s, who when they would fight everyone would know it and would tune in. There was a time here in the U.S. that the heavyweight champion of the world was as famous as any movie star. Nowadays, if I were to poll ten random people I'm willing to bet maybe only one or two would know any of the champion’s names.
David Haye has that swagger about him which differentiates him from many of the other heavyweights out there. He is not shy in anointing himself the future of the division. He is already calling out both Klitschko brothers and you can see that star quality in him that can make him an attraction here as well.
Haye has the all the makings of the next big thing in the division as far as charisma and attitude but does he posses the skill to make it to the top of the division?
The heavyweight division needs a shot in the arm and with the Klitschko brothers vowing not to fight each other there is no real big event on the horizon, at least nothing that is going to get the attention of anyone outside of Europe.
If Haye were to at least start to unify the belts he could really make some noise. He has said that he wants either one of the Klitschko’s and if he were to get a shot and defeated either brother I would have to assume the other brother would want revenge.
The Brothers Klitschko are close and they take great pride in not only their own achievements but also those of their brother. Likewise a defeat to either one can be seen as a blow to both as evident by the fights the brothers had with Corrie Sanders. Sanders defeated the younger brother Wladimir via a brutal 2nd round knock out. Before Sanders could step out of the ring older brother Vitali was already in his face challenging him. That fight would come a little over a year later and Vitali would avenge his brothers lost beating Sanders in 8 rounds.
So whichever brother Haye gets a shot at, I believe he would be actually be setting himself up for a shot at both of them should he win. But there in lies the key statement, “should he win.” Haye is talented; there is no doubt about it. He was the best cruiserweight a year ago and now that he has stepped up north of 200 pounds, he has already jumped into the top 5 in the division in many rankings and sanctioning bodies.
Haye has speed that is virtually unmatched in the heavyweight division and as evidence by his five knockdowns of Monte Barrett he obviously has carried some power with him from cruiserweight. At the very least he is entertaining to watch.
I would love to see Haye against either Klitschko and I think it would be a fight that could get people talking about the division again. He would of course go into a fight with either brother as the underdog as he still hasn’t proved all that much in the division and has some flaws that either brother could take advantage of.
Haye as I mentioned earlier is a very quick fighter, both with his legs and with the punches he throws. In his fight against Barrett he was able to use his quickness to both get his shots in and then duck out of the way of Barrett’s punches. Against either Klitschko, Haye may be able to get his quick shots in but getting back out of the long range of the counters would be a different story. Haye had basically the same reach as Barrett but against either Klitschko he would be at a disadvantage. Further more both brothers fight “tall,” meaning they both fight straight up and don’t lean forward too much and really know how to use their reach.
And speaking of reach Haye would have to deal with the long jab both brothers employ with great effectiveness. As fast as he is, the jab when timed correctly can serve to keep Haye from getting on the inside and to stifle any rhythm for him. Haye is also known to keep his front hand, (left) down by his side. In the past, Haye has been able to get away with this because of his speed and movement. Against a pumping long jab like Wladimir’s that could spell disaster as each one of those jabs hits like a ton of bricks.
There has been talk of a possible match up with one of the brothers towards the end of next year and I hope that either fight comes to fruition. I am not completely sold on the idea that the Klitschko’s holding the division hostage is really a bad thing but I do believe a unified champion in the division is in fact a better thing.
For the division to get back to where it was we need to know whom the best in the division is. The heavyweight division suffers, probably more than any other, because of multiple champions. For many years going through the division you simply knew who the best was: Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson…the division now is so clouded that not one guy really sticks out.
Maybe Haye can be that guy. Even without immediately facing either Klitschko brother there are still plenty of match ups for him out there. Fights against former WBA Heavyweight Champion, Ruslan Chagaev, Former WBC Champion, Oleg Maskaev, Alexander Povetkin, or the sole American making noise Chris Arreola would all be interesting.
The point is that like many other fans of the sport, want to see more of David Haye.
I have high hopes for him and believe he may just be the guy to bring some excitement back to a division that sorely needs it. There are still too many questions about him though that we will have to see if he can answer before he reaches the top. I think it will sure be fun watching him try though.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 22:48
by kikibalt
Ray Charles
By Diego
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 22:53
by dagosd2000
BIG,BANG,POW
Jackie Gleason looked like my father. Oh not when my father was in the Corps,but after he got out and reacqainted hinself with Italian food. Seriously,if Jackie Gleason and my father stood side by side,you'd think they were brothers.
Reading Gleason's biography and watching him on TV reflected a magnitism that was unequaled during his era. He was the first star on television to demand and get a million dollar contract.
I'd sit in front of the TV with the family and watch the Honeymooners. My father was indifferent to the show. He also didn't care for Jackie Gleason.I think he saw the ego in Gleason that coinsided my dad's. Gleason grew up in a tough neighborhood in Brooklyn. My dad's right of passage was the Southwest Side of Chicago. My dad went to school in the pool room. So did Jackie. Both were loud and flashy and would throw money around like it was confetti. Big tippers. Only eating the choice cuts.
Only driving the top of the line models. Tailored suits and diamond stick pins. They were full of themselves.
Gleason said he was a composer and an orchestra leader. No one remembers it but him. My dad?Well The Outfit couldn't have lived without him.
They're both gone now. My dad's memories are ever present in my mind. A constant thought. I wish we would have been close. But like Jackie Gleason,my dad's over powering personality drove as many people away as the ones that wanted to listen to him brag.
My dad has passed . So has the Great One.My dad was a Great One too. To think of them now is a kind of Melecholy Serenade.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 22:55
by kikibalt
Hollenbeck Gym Hosts Toy Giveaway
By Michele Chong
Early Christmas at 27th Annual “Miracle on 1st Street”
Your eyes aren’t deceiving you…There is snow on the streets of East Los Angeles! And yes, those are kids in shorts sliding down a frozen bunny hill at the 27th Annual “Miracle on 1st Street” Toy Giveaway held this past weekend.
Hollenbeck’s legendary boxing gym was turned into a festive “Winter Wonderland,” right next to the crowded freeways, right in the middle of one of the grittiest sections in Los Angeles, California.
Tons of toys (more than ten thousand!) were handed out to underprivileged children at the holiday party hosted by the Hollenbeck Youth Center, Inner-City Games LA (ICGLA) and the Oscar De La Hoya Foundation. Both Hollenbeck and ICGLA are run by President Daniel L. Hernandez, with a big assist from his wife, Beatrice, daughter, Priscilla, their Board of Directors, the Hollenbeck Police Council, generous sponsors, and a troop of hardworking volunteers.
The Hollenbeck Youth Center’s gym has hosted many boxing events through the years. Oscar De La Hoya trained there as a young boy, as did Paul Gonzales. Both boxers got their start at this gym, later becoming Olympians and earning gold medals. The latest boxing protégé to come out of the gym is female amateur boxing sensation Seniesa Estrada, whose father, Joe, began training her at Hollenbeck.
But on this day, the boxing ring was put away and the gym floor was converted to “Santa’s Workshop.” The space where the boxing ring is usually set up was covered with stacks and rows of bright new, shiny toys waiting to be presented by Santa’s helpers, as families happily lined up around the block for a chance to meet Santa Claus and receive their early Christmas gifts.
The various “Santas” in jolly red costumes just happened to be several LA officials and judges and the “elves” were some famous familiar faces: Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, boxing aficionado and Best Damn Sports Show Period host Tom Arnold, and comedian and actor Dax Shepard.
“I love boxing!” says Tom Arnold. The longtime pugilist fan joked about the possibility of ever getting into the ring himself, “Oh yeah, I’ll be fighting Saturday night–I’ll be fighting Oscar De La Hoya at midnight!”
The De La Hoya-Pacquiao bout was still the hot topic for discussion and funnyman Arnold took a break from comedy, saying with seriousness, “I watched the fight on PPV–it was horrible. You can’t tell an athlete to quit; they want to keep going and they have that right. I had talked to Evander Holyfield about this…I think Oscar will fight again.”
When asked about last weekend’s Klitschko-Rahman fight, he says he wants a “dream match” that will probably never happen, “I want to see the brothers fight. I want to see Klitschko against Klitschko!”
The holiday event began with an early morning parade and kickoff celebration with California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, LA Chief of Police William Bratton, USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, super bantamweight champion Israel Vazquez, Golden Boy top prospects Vicente Escobedo (19-1) and undefeated Abner Mares (17-0), and a group of Chivas soccer players, all coming out to meet the kids.
Inside the gym, there were a lot of happy kids clutching their bounty of toys. Outside the gym, there were many fun activities waiting for them–the snow sleds (with the trusty Marine Corp. helping out), candy cane face painting, inflatable bounce houses, crafts, games, giveaways, refreshments and entertainment for all families sharing in the day’s festivities. There was also a vintage car show for the big kids and adults at the event.
As the toy giveaway continued, the mountains of toys slowly grew smaller as the lines grew longer. The delighted children went home with armloads of stuff–pogo sticks, skateboards, scooters, basketballs, bikes and more for the boys (and for some girls too) And for most of the little girls, there were dolls, play sets, Hannah Montana toys, large stuffed animals–lions, tigers, and bears…oh my!
The volunteers would call out a child’s age and boy or girl preference for toys, as the Santas and their elves would ready the gifts, with wide-eyed children eagerly approaching with anticipation. Some kids ran excitedly to receive their new prizes, while the smaller ones shyly clung to their parents’ hands as they gazed up in wonderment at Santa, standing right before their very eyes.
And it was quite a sight to see the littlest kids loaded down with all of their precious cargo.
“I love seeing the kids walking out with the huge toys. The kids are so small–they can barely carry the toys. The toys are bigger than them!” says Beatrice Hernandez, of ICGLA. “This is just a great thing today and it was great to have the Governor and Mayor here too.”
Popular L.A. radio station Hot 92.3 also lent their support at the toy giveaway with DJ’s Damon Knight, Jimmy Reyes and Josefa Salinas hosting the live broadcast in a booth onstage overlooking the busy toy heaven down below.
For the grown-ups, the best reward of the day was seeing the children’s faces light up upon meeting Santa and being given several cool, new toys to take home. The “Miracle on 1st Street” certainly helps makes the holidays extra special for these kids, especially in these present economic times.
“This was bigger this year, a lot more people,” explained Priscilla Hernandez, Hollenbeck’s Development Director. “There’s a need for this; it’s difficult in this economic climate.”
“We gave out more toys and I think it’s a sign of the times,” she continues. “The line never stopped! It was intense. Without this giveaway, a lot of kids might not have gotten toys, ” Hernandez says.
The Hollenbeck Youth Center also provides athletic and educational opportunities for area youngsters. Hollenbeck and ICGLA founder Daniel L. Hernandez’ favorite quote from their mission statement sums up why his non-profit organizations strive to give back to the community, “All kids are a lifetime investment.”
At Saturday’s toy giveaway, the spirit of Santa definitely filled the gym. And this annual holiday event gives hope and encouragement to thousands of families–and most importantly, it gives the youngest children a chance to sustain their belief that Santa Claus really does exist!
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 22:59
by kikibalt
Born Herbert John Gleason, 26 Feb 1916,Brooklyn, New York
Died 24 June 1987, Miami, Florida
Gleason started as a comedian, working on radio and in movies beginning in the late 1930s. He got a part on a very early TV series, "The Life of Riley," and then was given his own variety show, "Cavalcade of Stars," in 1949. Gleason introduced most of his characters in skits on this show, including what was spun off as "The Honeymooners" in 1955.
Although Gleason could neither read or write music, he had an idea about recording music that combined popular songs with moody, string-laden orchestrations. He hired his own studio orchestra, pulled some orchestrators together, and began describing what he was looking for, occasionally picking out passages with one finger on the piano. He cut a deal with Capitol that put the risk of profit on his back, with the unheard-of break-even number of 60,000 copies sold. As it turned out, the album, Music for Lovers Only, sold over 500,000. Listeners liked how Gleason smoothed down the tunes, making them perfect background music for making out on the couch--but his TV popularity helped, too.
Gleason released over 20 albums between 1953 and 1969, all on Capitol. Many featured cornetist Bobby Hackett soloing off in a distance, as if in a fog, adding to the "moodiness" of the music. Hackett later remarked that "Jackie Gleason taught me to play," and it wasn't meant to be sarcastic. To go by the liner notes, such as the following, from Opiate D'Amour, you'd think a Gleason album would be over the top with syrupy strings:
Into this intensely romantic album, Jackie Gleason has decanted a tranquilizing potion as dreamily hypnotic as a warm breeze caressing a field of poppies.
But the truth is that these are some of the most laid-back easy listening albums ever recorded. What Hackett was crediting was Gleason's sense of restraint, an often neglected attribute among musicians. All it takes to hear that is to play a Gleason track back-to-back with one by another big easy listening name, such as Mantovani. Instead of a big, upfront sound full of instrumentation, you notice the music is subtle, very much in the background. Gleason was consciously trying to create a mood (hence the more appropriate label, mood music).
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:04
by dagosd2000
My dad was always one step ahead of me. I liked the Bears. He liked the Cardinals. The Chicago Cardinal football team for you younger guys. The Bears were owned by that miserable tight wad George Halas,the Cards by the Bidwell family. The Bears were always around first place. The Cardinals struggled. But every season they play each other.
"The Bears are gonna' win,"I'd say to my dad.
"You wanna' bet?, he'd laugh.
Now I don't thin the Outfit bet on the football games,so everything was jake with the Wiseguys.
As long as I can remember,I never saw the Chicago Bears beat the Chicago Cardinals. The Cards would always get up for that game. Charley Trippi,Ollie Matson,and OH YEH,Dick"Night Train" Lane.
The Bears were never much of a passing team,but when they threw the ball I'd think the Bears quarterback was color blind because he'd throw to Lane's side and the next thing you'd know "Night Train" was running the ball back for a score. Yeh,he was ahead of his time. He would be ahead of his time today
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:08
by dagosd2000
No one sang Chattanooga Choo Choo like Tex Beneke. What smoothe beautifull voice that man had.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:11
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:
No one sang Chattanooga Choo Choo like Tex Beneke. What smoothe beautifull voice that man had.

Thought you would like that one.....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:16
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:Born Herbert John Gleason, 26 Feb 1916,Brooklyn, New York
Died 24 June 1987, Miami, Florida
Gleason started as a comedian, working on radio and in movies beginning in the late 1930s. He got a part on a very early TV series, "The Life of Riley," and then was given his own variety show, "Cavalcade of Stars," in 1949. Gleason introduced most of his characters in skits on this show, including what was spun off as "The Honeymooners" in 1955.
Although Gleason could neither read or write music, he had an idea about recording music that combined popular songs with moody, string-laden orchestrations. He hired his own studio orchestra, pulled some orchestrators together, and began describing what he was looking for, occasionally picking out passages with one finger on the piano. He cut a deal with Capitol that put the risk of profit on his back, with the unheard-of break-even number of 60,000 copies sold. As it turned out, the album, Music for Lovers Only, sold over 500,000. Listeners liked how Gleason smoothed down the tunes, making them perfect background music for making out on the couch--but his TV popularity helped, too.
Gleason released over 20 albums between 1953 and 1969, all on Capitol. Many featured cornetist Bobby Hackett soloing off in a distance, as if in a fog, adding to the "moodiness" of the music. Hackett later remarked that "Jackie Gleason taught me to play," and it wasn't meant to be sarcastic. To go by the liner notes, such as the following, from Opiate D'Amour, you'd think a Gleason album would be over the top with syrupy strings:
Into this intensely romantic album, Jackie Gleason has decanted a tranquilizing potion as dreamily hypnotic as a warm breeze caressing a field of poppies.
But the truth is that these are some of the most laid-back easy listening albums ever recorded. What Hackett was crediting was Gleason's sense of restraint, an often neglected attribute among musicians. All it takes to hear that is to play a Gleason track back-to-back with one by another big easy listening name, such as Mantovani. Instead of a big, upfront sound full of instrumentation, you notice the music is subtle, very much in the background. Gleason was consciously trying to create a mood (hence the more appropriate label, mood music).
Bobby Hackett put that stuff together for Jackie. He didn't mind if Jackie got the credit.
BTW. Sir Laurence Olivier called Gleason one of the greatest actors he ever worked with. I agree. His skits he did on his show(The Poor Soul,Joe the Bartender,Reggie Van Gleason,Ralph Kramden),his movies in the Hustler and Requiem For A Heavyweight are proof that the man could act. He was the only person in The Honeymooners(except Joyce Randolph)that didn't get an Emmy. He made a lot of enemies with his insults.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:20
by dagosd2000
dagosd2000 wrote:
No one sang Chattanooga Choo Choo like Tex Beneke. What smoothe beautifull voice that man had.

Hey Frank
Can you put on "Perfidia"?
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:24
by dagosd2000
I remember seeing Perez Prado in Mexico City. He got away from playing his stuff(which was awesome) and did a tribute to Glenn Miller. He played "Perfidia". That was a Golden Age for music North,and South of the Border.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:37
by dagosd2000
HEY FRANK HOLD THE PRESSES
Just got finished watching Youtube. "I've Got A Gal In Kalamazoo" Good 'ol Tex again. Marilyn Hutton and The Modernaires,AND THAT FAT GUY ON THE BASS---JACKIE GLEASON. Got to put that on.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:42
by kikibalt
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:46
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:HEY FRANK HOLD THE PRESSES
Just got finished watching Youtube. "I've Got A Gal In Kalamazoo" Good 'ol Tex again. Marilyn Hutton and The Modernaires,AND THAT FAT GUY ON THE BASS---JACKIE GLEASON. Got to put that on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFv_PoZ2iP0
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 23:48
by dagosd2000
Frank
I left out the Nicholas Brothers on that clip of I've Got A Gal. They're putting on a tour de force. Man we're never gonna' see the likes of that again.
