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kikibalt wrote:Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz
By Edgar Gonzalez

It’s a done deal. Juan Manuel Marquez will take on Juan Diaz on February 28th in Las Vegas for the IBO lightweight title. Rumor has it that “The Baby Bull” Juan Diaz is complaining about the location. Diaz wants to fight at the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas. Marquez hasn’t given the green light yet to fight Diaz in his hometown, but one thing is clear both Marquez and Diaz will duke it out February 28th. Marquez-Diaz will be televised by HBO.

“I’m very, very excited and I’m hoping that everything works out and we get to step in the ring. But I’m very excited, he’s a legendary fighter and I think right now in my career what I need is a marquee fighter that will put me over that line from a regular fighter to a superstar-status fighter. And I believe that by beating Juan Manuel Marquez and fighting him, I will accomplish that,” said Diaz, who has taken on the likes of Julio Diaz, Acelino Freitas, Nate Campbell and Katsidis in recent years.

It’s definitely going to be a bloodbath, both Marquez and Diaz are brawlers, I can’t wait.
It more than likely will be a bloodbath but I fully expect Marquez to win this fight. Marquez can slug and box and he is tough. The first thing that jumps out at you is the quality of opposition. Marquez on top of being the best, has fought the best. Diaz' competition, while good, doesn't compare. My picks have been sporadic lately but I'll go with Marquez. I just think too that Marquez will not let anyone or anything come between a Marquez-Pacquiao 3. He's a man on a mission. Still, as we all know in a fight anything can happen and the bottom line is always "Let the best man win".

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kikibalt wrote:Image
My brother Mando clearing his walk way
Frank, was that from this last storm? Looks cold but it looks fun.

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Expug wrote:
I'd like to see Evander win that fight too Rick.
But your right,I would really like to see Evander shut it down.
Hes a warrior, but its time I think.
Apparently, Evander's out of money and he has no other marketable skills, so his decision to keep fighting comes as no surprise. Regrettable - but not surprising.
I remember a few years before Roberto Duran retired he was asked why he continued to fight at his age. His answer "It's all I know how to do". That was the first time I ever really felt sorry for Duran. The honest truth though is they brought it on themselves. Both Holyfield and Duran made millions... and squandered it. It's hurtful to any real boxing fan to see an aging great losing to someone that under any other circumstances would never be anything more than a sparring partner. A shame.
Agreed. Its not like being a prizefighter prepares you for any profession, much less a profession at which a champion can earn as much money as when he was fighting. These guys need to learn how to save and invest their money, but they don't.
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Rick Farris wrote:Just for fun, how's this for a fantasy heavyweight title match:

Vlad Klitschko vs. a prime Sonny Liston. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(I guess I have a mean streak. :wink: )

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Klitschko would have neither the intestinal fortitude nor the stamina to fight Liston. Liston stops Klitschko by the fourth round. These are the kind of guys Liston ate for lunch.

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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
My brother Mando clearing his walk way
Frank, was that from this last storm? Looks cold but it looks fun.

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Randy, that pic. was shot today..... :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
My brother Mando clearing his walk way
Frank, was that from this last storm? Looks cold but it looks fun.

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Randy, that pic. was shot today..... :TU:
We have a clear view of the mountains today. Did you get a view? Packed with snow. Did you get a pic? Your brother looks like he is enjoying life. :TU:

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Randy, no, I haven't been out of the house today. Yeah, Mando likes living in Wrightwood, he moved there in 2006 after retiring from the sheriff's dept.
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George Chuvalo vs Jerry Quarry
December 12, 1969
Madison Square Garden, New York City
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George Foreman & George Chuvalo
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kikibalt wrote:Image
George Foreman & George Chuvalo
Foreman's giving Chuvalo the old evil eye. What do you suppose he's thinking?

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Johnny Coulon

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Real name Johnny Coulon
Nickname(s) "The Cherry Picker From Logan Square"
Rated at Bantamweight
Nationality Canadian
Birth date February 12, 1889
Birth place Toronto, Canada
Death date October 29, 1973 (aged 84)
Death place Chicago, Illinois, United States
Stance Orthodox
Boxing record
Total fights 97
Wins 56
Wins by KO 24
Losses 4
Draws 4
No contests 32

John Frederic Coulon (February 12, 1889 – October 29, 1973) was the bantamweight boxing champion of the world from 6 March 1910, when he wrested the crown from England's Jim Kendrick, until 1914, when he was defeated by Kid Williams.

Biography
Born in Toronto to American parents Emile Eugene Coulon (1857-1911) and Sarah Loretta Waltzinger (1857-1923), Coulon grew up in turn-of-the-century Chicago, where as a prelim fighter he became known as "The Cherry Picker from Logan Square." He turned pro at 16 and was champion at 21. His career, managed by his father, Eugene "Pop" Coulon, stretched from 1905 to 1920. The hall-of-famer is listed as losing only four times in 97 fights, but he claimed to have fought over 300 pro fights.

Coulon won his first 26 bouts before losing a 10-round decision to Kid Murphy. In a rematch with Murphy in 1908, Coulon reversed the decision and earned recognition as the American bantamweight champion.

After capturing the world title against Kendrick in 19 rounds, he defended the title against Earl Denning, Frankie Conley, Frankie Burns, and Kid Williams. He finally lost the crown in 1914 when Williams stopped him in the third round. He also faced Harry Forbes during his career. Coulon met three Hall-of-Famers in his career: Kid Williams, Pete Herman, and Charley Goldman, who is best known for training Rocky Marciano.

Coulon served in the United States Army during World War I, often instructing soldiers on how to fight. He boxed twice after his service stint and retired from the ring in 1920 with a record of 56 wins, 4 draws, and 32 no-contests.

After retirement, he began public performances with a stupendous stage act. He would appear stripped to the waist and challenge anyone in the audience to try to lift him off his feet. It seemed an empty challenge since at five feet and barely 110 pounds, he was smaller than many schoolboys. But each who took up the challenge soon left the stage baffled and frustrated. Coulon himself never made any extravagant claims that he could violate natural laws. He was content to make a living by presenting a baffling stage act. The trick was that Coulon would feign a struggle, grabbing the opponent by the neck and applying pressure to a nerve there.

In 1921, Coulon married Marie Maloney (1892-1984). She never saw him fight professionally, but together they opened Coulon's Gymnasium on the South Side of Chicago. Marie was the business manager. "His professional career was over when we met, but together we saw oh so many of the great ones train at our gym down thru the years — men like Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Jim Braddock, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Muhammad Ali."[citation needed] Ali would often use the gym to keep himself toned during his exile years. Coulon managed junior welterweight champion Eddie Perkins (74-20-4) and light-heavyweight contender Allen Thomas.

Ernest Hemingway visited Coulon's and insisted on sparring with the local pugs. LeRoy Neiman sketched boxers working out. A cult movie of the sixties, Medium Cool, filmed scenes at the gym, where Coulon briefly appeared, a tiny old man captured forever on celluloid.

Coulon was not only a topnotch trainer, but living boxing history. He was a close friend of Jack Johnson, had frequented Johnson's restaurant, the "Café de Champion," and had even been a pallbearer at the great champion's funeral. He had known every heavyweight champion since the Great John L. Sullivan, had been bantamweight champion of the world, had trained hundreds of fighters and was a revered celebrity in Chicago during the 1960s. At 76 he could leave a ring by jumping over a top rope, landing softly on his feet. He celebrated a birthday by walking the length of the gym on his hands. He died at 84 in 1973 in Chicago and was buried in St. Mary's Cemetery.

Coulon was inducted into Canada's Sports Hall of Fame in 1955 (Sport: Boxing; Theme: Strength & Science), was installed in the Catholic Youth Organization's Club of Champions for his contributions to amateur boxing in 1971, and into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1999.

He MUST be inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame? I have to check the WBHOF roll call, if his name is not there, I assure you it will be. I will put things in motion right away. I was familiar with Johnny Coulan, but this short bio really summed up a true boxing legend. When I think of major cities, I usually think of legendary boxing figures who lived there. When I think of Chicago, I usually think of a photo of little Johnny Coulan defying Sonny Liston's will to lift him. I saw it when I was a kid. Only four losses in 97 pro fights. Whoa!

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Expug wrote:Johnny was married to a woman named Marie Maloney according to that bio.
Thats my Grandmothers name on my moms side. :o :D
No question about it Brian, fighting is in your blood. You have every quality of a true, natural fighter. It's beyond obvious and proven beyond question.

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Randyman wrote:
Expug Wrote:
I'd like to see Evander win that fight too Rick.
But your right,I would really like to see Evander shut it down.
Hes a warrior, but its time I think.
Brian, Rick, I feel the same way. I would like to see Evander retire, however, if he is going to fight Valuev I want him to win. I don't know how much he has left but Holyfield is a proven warrior. For every fighter there is a last fight. Maybe this is it.


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Randy, we all know Evander has no business in the ring, but like Tom said, he's broke and it's all he knows how to do. His mind was going south many years ago, the punches from too many years in the ring left their mark long ago. Evander was never a great speaker, but today his words are even slower and slurred. However, a few months back, against an outta shape tomato can, I enjoyed seeing a shop worn Holyfield box, I mean, he was making moves you no longer see heavyweights make today, the basics, hands up, the jab, the combos, even if a bit rusty. He looked like a real boxer, even if a step off. Valuev has no skills or ability. He isn't of the class of a James Toney, who stopped Holy awhile back. He is big, and that size might work against Evander. But if the Real Deal can bring in just 40% of what he had the night he took out Buster Douglas, he'll whip the third world neanderthol. Valuev is so bad, that a former champ pushing fifty and running off nothing more than fumes from an empty tank, has a chance. I'll watch it with no expectations, but knowing an upset is very possible. Evander Holyfield needn't defeat Valuev to validate his place in history, however, exposing "El Russo Grande" would certainly make my day.

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kikibalt wrote:Image
George Chuvalo vs Jerry Quarry
December 12, 1969
Madison Square Garden, New York City
What happened after the fight . . .

This fight proved to be the luckiest of Chuvalo's career. He was in bad trouble and Quarry had his way with the Canadian. Jerry Quarry was seconds from a sure KO over Chuvalo. However, a punch that caught Jerry off balance sent him to the deck. Unhurt, Jerry decided he'd take advantage of the unfortunate incident to catch his breath before rising to finish off the human punching bag. On one knee, Jerry waited to rise until the count reached eight. However, Jerry Quarry claims to have lost track of the count, couldn't hear the ref until he'd counted ten. It was too late, the record reads that George Chuvalo KOed Jerry Quarry. This is the biggest of many blunders that taint Jerry Quarry's legend. This would be the last time Johnny Flores would work the corner of his heavyweight. A long running feud had finally ended the manager's relationship with the boxer. Quarry would fire Flores, who still had two years left on his contract. Jack Quarry, who had been Flores co-manager, tried to sign for bouts for his son, but his contract had run out the previous year, only Johnny could sign for a match. Flores would recieve one half of 33% of Jerry's purses for the next two years. Quarry was angry and his association with a well known mob attorney is believed to have led to a contract on Flores life, which was attempted by two off-duty LAPD officers. When the murder attempt failed, the police attempted to cover the incident as a case of mistaken identity. The officers were suspended, Flores sued and settled out of court. Instead of cash, the city funded a boxing gym for Flores to run any way he wished. The Lincoln Heights Jail, which had closed more than half a dozen years earlier, would be the building and the gym was located on the fifth floor, the top floor. About twenty years later, Johnny Flores, age 78, didn't return home from the gym one night. His wife Rose was worried, Johnny always made it home for dinner at the same time every night. His son and son-in-law went to the gym and searched for Johnny. They found his dead body at the bottom of the elevator shaft. The death of Johnny Flores was listed as an accident. Some think not? Frank Baltazar and I were both very close to Johnny Flores. When I saw the photo above, this came to mind.

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Johnny Coulon . . .

Although Johnny Coulon was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame, I just discovered that he has not been inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame. I will nominate Coulon for induction in 2009.

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BLUES ON A COLD NIGHT

I mentioned once I had lunch with Archie Moore at Huffman's Bar B Q in Logan Heights. A chance meeting. Just me and Archie eating. I'd help him at his Boys Club. He saw me and asked me to join him. The conversation was music. Jazz music.

We talked about "Be Bop" . Mostly the 52nd Street and West Coast cats."Be Bop" was a terrible name to pin on that music. Don't know what else you could have called it,but evertime I hear "Be Bop" I wince. Does the music an injustice. "Bop" sounds a little better.

As great as the Parkers and Coltranes were,there was something they had to play.Have a feel for. That was the "Blues". If a Black musician couldn't play the "Blues",well he wasn't considred someone with soul.

Talking to Archie Moore that afternoon over white fish sanwiches and red beans and cole slaw,I got the impression that the Mongoose was really talking about the "Blues". Not only when it came to music,but a theme that permeated all his ideas. His philosophy. A bittersweet way of seeing things. Just like the "Blues".

The weather has turned cold lately. It's not Minnesota,but it's cold. There was no moon. I like to go for my walks at night. Alone. Buried in my thoughts. I see things with that bittersweet taste in my mind. Maybe it's fatalistic to think that way, or maybe I just have a case of the "Blues."
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Rick Farris wrote:
scartissue wrote:
bennie wrote:Irish puncher Darren Sutherland makes his much-awaited pro debut tonight in his home city of Dublin as part of a fantastic triple title fight bill.
Sutherland was outscored by British hope and Olympic champion James DeGale in the middleweight semi-finals of the Olympics earlier this year (10-3). He had licked DeGale aplenty in previous meetings between them and may have the more professional style than the Londoner, one of those 'should have been drowned at birth' southpaws, or certainly James was in the Olympic final.
Anyway, Sutherland steals a march on DeGale by going pro before him, with promoter Frank Maloney, a man who knows how to build an Olympic prospect. This is not quite "Be in at The Beginning" and Lennox Lewis, but Sutherland looks ready to roll at 26 and ready to roll in a country that will back him hard.

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Bennie, I saw Sutherland fight last February here in Chicago at the world amateur championships. He lost to a flashy Venezuelan (whom he eventually beat in the Olympics on his way to bronze). I said at the time and I'm sticking with it, of any recent amateur I've seen, Darren Sutherland has the best style for the pro game. He was just getting warmed up when he ran out of time in the amateur contests. I'm predicting a good career for Sutherland.

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Thanks for the tip, Bennie. I haven't followed amateur boxing in quite awhile including the most recent Olympics so the name Darren Sutherland is unfamiliar to me. If you and Scar were impressed, that's good enough for me. I'll keep an eye out for sutherland. By the way, David Haye will get next shot at the youngest Lurch brother's heavyweight title this coming year. All it takes is one good shot on the chin and the heavyweight title will return to Great Britain. Once hurt, Vlad K. looks to the ground for a soft place to fall, we've seen it before and we'll see it again. Guaranteed! Just hope that punch is delivered by the "Haymaker". :TU:
Sutherland won and looked very strong indeed. He already has a big following in Ireland, where they are sports mad, and Frank Maloney is sitting on a gold mine with this kid.
By the way, Rick, it looks like Haye is fighting Vitali as opposed to Vlad.
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kikibalt wrote:Image
George Chuvalo vs Jerry Quarry
December 12, 1969
Madison Square Garden, New York City
Jerry's shorts are rather pretty for a Quarry.
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Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Johnny was married to a woman named Marie Maloney according to that bio.
Thats my Grandmothers name on my moms side. :o :D
No question about it Brian, fighting is in your blood. You have every quality of a true, natural fighter. It's beyond obvious and proven beyond question.

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Thank you Rick.
I feel very complimented receiving that from you. A man I greatly respect .
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dagosd2000 wrote:BLUES ON A COLD NIGHT

I mentioned once I had lunch with Archie Moore at Huffman's Bar B Q in Logan Heights. A chance meeting. Just me and Archie eating. I'd help him at his Boys Club. He saw me and asked me to join him. The conversation was music. Jazz music.

We talked about "Be Bop" . Mostly the 52nd Street and West Coast cats."Be Bop" was a terrible name to pin on that music. Don't know what else you could have called it,but evertime I hear "Be Bop" I wince. Does the music an injustice. "Bop" sounds a little better.

As great as the Parkers and Coltranes were,there was something they had to play.Have a feel for. That was the "Blues". If a Black musician couldn't play the "Blues",well he wasn't considred someone with soul.

Talking to Archie Moore that afternoon over white fish sanwiches and red beans and cole slaw,I got the impression that the Mongoose was really talking about the "Blues". Not only when it came to music,but a theme that permeated all his ideas. His philosophy. A bittersweet way of seeing things. Just like the "Blues

The weather has turned cold lately. It's not Minnesota,but it's cold. There was no moon. I like to go for my walks at night. Alone. Buried in my thoughts. I see things with that bittersweet taste in my mind. Maybe it's fatalistic to think that way, or maybe I just have a case of the "Blues."

Wonderful stuff Rog.
Your posts and stories are more then just perused.
I can feel them.
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Expug wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:BLUES ON A COLD NIGHT

I mentioned once I had lunch with Archie Moore at Huffman's Bar B Q in Logan Heights. A chance meeting. Just me and Archie eating. I'd help him at his Boys Club. He saw me and asked me to join him. The conversation was music. Jazz music.

We talked about "Be Bop" . Mostly the 52nd Street and West Coast cats."Be Bop" was a terrible name to pin on that music. Don't know what else you could have called it,but evertime I hear "Be Bop" I wince. Does the music an injustice. "Bop" sounds a little better.

As great as the Parkers and Coltranes were,there was something they had to play.Have a feel for. That was the "Blues". If a Black musician couldn't play the "Blues",well he wasn't considred someone with soul.

Talking to Archie Moore that afternoon over white fish sanwiches and red beans and cole slaw,I got the impression that the Mongoose was really talking about the "Blues". Not only when it came to music,but a theme that permeated all his ideas. His philosophy. A bittersweet way of seeing things. Just like the "Blues

The weather has turned cold lately. It's not Minnesota,but it's cold. There was no moon. I like to go for my walks at night. Alone. Buried in my thoughts. I see things with that bittersweet taste in my mind. Maybe it's fatalistic to think that way, or maybe I just have a case of the "Blues."

Wonderful stuff Rog.
Your posts and stories are more then just perused.
I can feel them.
Brian, you hit the nail right on the head "I can fee them". I agree, Roger definitely has a gift. His stories paint a picture with his words that reaches the soul. The is a somewhat melancholic overtones that really grab me.

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Our very own, Brian Higgins.

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Randyman wrote:
Expug wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:BLUES ON A COLD NIGHT

I mentioned once I had lunch with Archie Moore at Huffman's Bar B Q in Logan Heights. A chance meeting. Just me and Archie eating. I'd help him at his Boys Club. He saw me and asked me to join him. The conversation was music. Jazz music.

We talked about "Be Bop" . Mostly the 52nd Street and West Coast cats."Be Bop" was a terrible name to pin on that music. Don't know what else you could have called it,but evertime I hear "Be Bop" I wince. Does the music an injustice. "Bop" sounds a little better.

As great as the Parkers and Coltranes were,there was something they had to play.Have a feel for. That was the "Blues". If a Black musician couldn't play the "Blues",well he wasn't considred someone with soul.

Talking to Archie Moore that afternoon over white fish sanwiches and red beans and cole slaw,I got the impression that the Mongoose was really talking about the "Blues". Not only when it came to music,but a theme that permeated all his ideas. His philosophy. A bittersweet way of seeing things. Just like the "Blues

The weather has turned cold lately. It's not Minnesota,but it's cold. There was no moon. I like to go for my walks at night. Alone. Buried in my thoughts. I see things with that bittersweet taste in my mind. Maybe it's fatalistic to think that way, or maybe I just have a case of the "Blues."

Wonderful stuff Rog.
Your posts and stories are more then just perused.
I can feel them.
Brian, you hit the nail right on the head "I can fee them". I agree, Roger definitely has a gift. His stories paint a picture with his words that reaches the soul. The is a somewhat melancholic overtones that really grab me.

Randy :TU: :bow:
We have great writers here, but with all due respect to all, there is no greater story teller then Rog, btw I'm proud to call all of you my friends.
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Frank Wrote:
We have great writers here, but with all due respect to all, there is no greater story teller then Rog, btw I'm proud to call all of you my friends.
I'm equally proud to call you my friend as well Frank. That goes for all the guys here. Rog can really capture a moment with his words. A great story teller. His students must feel blessed.

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Baby, its cold outside.... :o
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