The picture was taken at the annual WBHOF Golf tournament held every August at the Saboba Resort near Palm Springs.kikibalt wrote:No tom, thats not my pic. it was send to me by a friend, I think it was at some golf tournament here in SoCal.raylawpc wrote:Frank, did you take that picture or know when it was taken? Ken looks good, and I'd heard he was in pretty bad shape, living out of a wheelchair.
Do you know what year, Rick? It would be a good Christmas present for me to find out that Ken is doing well. Thanks.Rick Farris wrote:The picture was taken at the annual WBHOF Golf tournament held every August at the Saboba Resort near Palm Springs.kikibalt wrote:No tom, thats not my pic. it was send to me by a friend, I think it was at some golf tournament here in SoCal.raylawpc wrote:Frank, did you take that picture or know when it was taken? Ken looks good, and I'd heard he was in pretty bad shape, living out of a wheelchair.
-Rick
Bobby's care giver is a great lady who truly cares for him. Her name is Rosa, and I have met her with Bobby on several occasions. She watches out for Bobby, literally protecting the champ from those who try taking advantage of him. At this past year's WBHOF banquet, I would learn that there are so-called "boxing people" who under the guise of "helping" boxers actually continue to use them for their own benefit with no respect to the fighters. It infuriates me that some jerk who never had the stones to fight himself would treat a boxer with the same disrespect as promoters do. Rosa is Bobby's angel!kikibalt wrote:Yeah! thats his caregiver, the state pays her, on Norton, I don't have anything new on him.raylawpc wrote:That's his caregiver? No wonder Bobby is smiling all the time . . .kikibalt wrote:
Bobby Chacon and his friend/caregiver, whom's name I keep forgetting
That'a a lot of raviloliskikibalt wrote:Joey G. got $350,000, plus an apology.dagosd2000 wrote:Dan
I'll explode one more. The movie,"The Hurricane". Joey Giardello outpointed Carter by a close,but fair decision. If Carter couldn't hurt you(he couldn't hurt Joey),he usually slowed down and lost the fight.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't the producers of that movie settle with Giardello because the film misrepresented the real fight?
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________Rick Farris wrote:Do you know what year, Rick? It would be a good Christmas present for me to find out that Ken is doing well. Thanks.
Hey Kevin! I'm glad you're a contributor to the board! Its good to hear from you again. I hope all is well with you!iskigoe wrote:Frank,
I was able to win the book you posted the other day [the big fights].
Can't wait for it to come in the mail. I will post some of the articles from
the book when it gets here.
Also won a Dempsey book which was illustrated by Hype's son Eddie igoe. It's
the first I have heard about Hype's son being a sports cartoonist.
The mailman is going to think I have gone nuts waiting at the box for him.
Kevin
I need a car.....raylawpc wrote:Hey Kevin! I'm glad you're a contributor to the board! Its good to hear from you again. I hope all is well with you!iskigoe wrote:Frank,
I was able to win the book you posted the other day [the big fights].
Can't wait for it to come in the mail. I will post some of the articles from
the book when it gets here.
Also won a Dempsey book which was illustrated by Hype's son Eddie igoe. It's
the first I have heard about Hype's son being a sports cartoonist.
The mailman is going to think I have gone nuts waiting at the box for him.
Kevin
I do, Rick, I do! Thanks for the great Christmas present.Rick Farris wrote:Ken Norton . . .
Tom, I just got off the phone with Mando Muniz and got the scoop on Ken Norton. For one thing, he isn't wheel chair bound, and he usually is at all the WBHOF events. The reason Ken wasn't at this years banquet is that the date was changed from October to November to accomodate Lennox Lewis' schedule. Norton has an annual commitment in Boston for the Marine Corps which took place on the weekend of this years banquet. I was disappointed becasue I know that Roger and Ken used to spar together and I hoped they'd have a chance to reunite this year.
As for Ken, he has a caretaker like Bobby Chacon and, ironically, her name is also Rose. Rose is very protective of the former champ just as Rosa is for Bobby. Ken still hits the golf course each year but only plays a few rounds, not the full 18. Mando says he's in the early stages of Alzhimers and occasionally loses his balance, however, he's in far better shape than some recent reports indicate. Last time I saw Ken I reminded him of a fight card on which we both fought, the night he KOed Vic Brown at the Santa Monica Civic Aud. in 1971. We also shared a few stories about his late trainer, Bill Slayton. That was awhile back, and he looked fine then with a smile on his face, enjoying the company of those surrounding him.
I felt good about Ken Norton after talking to Mando, and hope you feel the same.
-Rick Farris
Kevin,iskigoe wrote:Frank,
I was able to win the book you posted the other day [the big fights].
Can't wait for it to come in the mail. I will post some of the articles from
the book when it gets here.
Also won a Dempsey book which was illustrated by Hype's son Eddie igoe. It's
the first I have heard about Hype's son being a sports cartoonist.
The mailman is going to think I have gone nuts waiting at the box for him.
Kevin
Frankkikibalt wrote:Holiday Punch!
By Michele Chong
L.A. boxers are guests at local event
Fighters Israel Vazquez, Shawn Estrada, Alfonso Gomez, Walter Sarnoi, and Paul Gonzales arrived at the World Boxing Hall of Fame’s (WBHF) 2nd Annual Holiday Party & Toy Drive–all ready and willing to help celebrate the holiday season. The early dinner took place this past weekend at the Commerce, California landmark restaurant Steven’s Steak and Seafood House.
The spirited group of L.A.’s bright young boxers were the guests of honor, receiving a personal invitation from WBHF President Adolfo Perez, “I asked the fighters and champions if they wanted to participate in the party and they all said yes. Everybody is happy to be here and it’s great to see everyone!”
President Perez surprised his Executive Committee and Board of Directors with an awards ceremony to show his appreciation for their hard work and dedication throughout 2008. The Ring Mundial publisher generously presented trophies to all board members in attendance and also gave awards to some special invited guests at the function. He and WBHF Vice President Julian Eget announced each recipient with comments about their contributions to the sport of boxing, sometimes adding a humorous anecdote into the introductions as well. It was a friendly, comfortable atmosphere, which is exactly what they were hoping for.
“I wanted to show my appreciation to everyone for working so hard,” explained Perez, as the honorees happily hoisted their new trophies in the air.
The outgoing Eget added, “We’re here for a toy drive–that’s what it’s all about. And everyone’s having a good time too; it’s a nice family and friends event.”
Taking the stage alongside Perez and Eget were super bantamweight champ Vazquez, hot prospect Estrada, “The Contender” favorite Gomez, up-and-comer Sarnoi, and Olympic Gold Medalist Gonzales. The fighters helped present the festive trophies to WBHF members and the other special guests in the crowd. The young athletes are still in training, even during the holidays. The active boxers are looking forward to the New Year, with plenty of fight action that we can look forward to as well.
For Vazquez-Marquez trilogy fans, you’ll be happy to hear that “El Magnifico” (43-4, 31 KOs) is planning to once again take on fellow warrior Rafael Marquez (37-5, 33 KOs) for a fourth go-round. “I want to fight Marquez again. It could be in March or April,” said the WBC Champion Emeritus.
Estrada (2-0, 2 KOs), recently signed by Goossen Tutor Promotions, is looking to get in the ring next month for an undercard battle during the Antonio Margarito-Shane Mosley matchup. The middleweight says, “I’ll be fighting on January 24 at Staples Center.” The Beijing Olympian had his debut in November at the brand new Citizens Business Bank Arena in Ontario, California, then quickly added a second victory to his pro record on December 13 during the Morongo fight night (scoring first round knockouts in these two fights).
Both he and his good friend Sarnoi are getting noticed in boxing circles, sharing the same record of 2-0, 2 KOs. The super bantamweight and former Golden Gloves champ Sarnoi told me about his third pro bout, “I’ll be fighting in Fresno in January.”
And popular Gomez (18-4-2, 8 KOs), is not only a favorite with fight fans, but also with a fast-growing legion of music fans too. The welterweight and rap star is in a band called Hy3rid (pronounced “hybrid”), along with brothers, Roberto and Jesus. Lead vocalist Roberto, happy and appreciative with all the buzz their band is receiving, says, “We’re working on our second album right now and it will be out in Spring 2009.”
During the boxing party, the guests were offered plenty of Christmas cheer and were treated to a steak and shrimp dinner, delicious desserts, and a complimentary prize raffle with holiday gifts handed out to the lucky winners. The event was a nice break in the hectic yuletide season, and a chance to meet, socialize, and playfully joke around with each other before the year ends. A bonus was the opportunity to donate toys for a very good cause.
WBHF Secretary Deanna Marinez brought her three children and other family members to the gathering, and all were assisting with the toy drive collection. She was thrilled to see two huge boxes fill to the top with new, unwrapped toys, “Through Para Los Niños, we’ll be delivering the toys to a school for underprivileged kids. We like to associate with other non-profits and work with charitable organizations. Last year we went to a preschool and this year we’ll be giving the toys to kindergartners.”
The non-profit organization (founded in 1979) is coming off the heels of a busy year of events, including a “Women in Boxing” show, a golf tournament, the annual Banquet of Champions, a Thanksgiving charity event, and this current toy drive for the underprivileged children.
Continue to check this website for updates of the WBHF’s planned events for 2009.
Thanks again to President Perez, the Board of Directors, and to all of the fighters for coming out and joining everyone at the Holiday Party & Toy Drive!
RickRick Farris wrote:Ken Norton . . .
Tom, I just got off the phone with Mando Muniz and got the scoop on Ken Norton. For one thing, he isn't wheel chair bound, and he usually is at all the WBHOF events. The reason Ken wasn't at this years banquet is that the date was changed from October to November to accomodate Lennox Lewis' schedule. Norton has an annual commitment in Boston for the Marine Corps which took place on the weekend of this years banquet. I was disappointed becasue I know that Roger and Ken used to spar together and I hoped they'd have a chance to reunite this year.
As for Ken, he has a caretaker like Bobby Chacon and, ironically, her name is also Rose. Rose is very protective of the former champ just as Rosa is for Bobby. Ken still hits the golf course each year but only plays a few rounds, not the full 18. Mando says he's in the early stages of Alzhimers and occasionally loses his balance, however, he's in far better shape than some recent reports indicate. Last time I saw Ken I reminded him of a fight card on which we both fought, the night he KOed Vic Brown at the Santa Monica Civic Aud. in 1971. We also shared a few stories about his late trainer, Bill Slayton. That was awhile back, and he looked fine then with a smile on his face, enjoying the company of those surrounding him.
I felt good about Ken Norton after talking to Mando, and hope you feel the same.
-Rick Farris
It wasn't right. This is an area beyond Rosa's control. Protecting Bobby is one thing, but she can't protect him being himself. The fighters love to sign autographs for fans, but they are often signing multi-products from people who will use them financial gain. They have a personality trait, all are openly rude, pushy, in need of an ass-whipping. That's cool, but the fighter gets nothing. It's exhausting for these proud men to sit hours on end signing, posing for pics, etc. The true fans respect the boxers, you can see the sparkle in their eyes as they stand face-to-face with their heros, a picture? They thank the champ from the bottom of their hearts. These people deserve the autograph, not a guy looking to devaluate whatever minimal monatary value the autograph might have. That is what WE at the WBHOF must look out for. However, there are those within Halls leadership which must be watched as well. I have some ideas that would benefit the fighters. As for your feeling that something wasn't right? You're instincts are in tact, leading you down the right path. I'm just discovering what is going on, and who is behind it. They are on the way out, we have a new sheriff about to be voted into top spot of the WBHOF and that's Mando Muniz. As you know, Rog, people find a way to turn a buck in just about anything. It's where the buck goes, and it never finds it's way into the fighters pockets. We can help them, by putting a fair price on their signature (something reasonable). If somebody can sell it for more, then please do. The boxers get 100% of the money taken in for their signature. It will not make 'em rich, but it won't cost the WBHOf a penny to do it for them. We do not need to take any money for making this happen. Anyway, I'm working on something for next year.dagosd2000 wrote:Rick
You mentioned that Rosie shields Bobby from people who might take advantage of him. I noticed at the banquet that there were a bunch of guys in suits who had Bobby at a table in the lobby signing a bunch of memorabilia. Now it was probably nothing,but I was thinking if they were taking advantage of him. They were smoking cigars and when I tried to get close to hear what they were saying they gave me a look like don't bother us. Bobby had a pile of stuff in front of him they wanted him to sign.
Like I say,probably nothing,but it didn't look right.
Tom:raylawpc wrote:Hap:
I'm not clear on the relationship between George Parnassus and the Eatons in the early 60s.
I know that Parnassus was friends with Cal Eaton in the early 1960s, and was matchmaker for Cal Eaton at the Olympic. I know that Parnassus and Eileen Eaton had a falling out shortly after Cal's death.
Yet, its my understanding that Parnassus was promoter for some of the big ball park fights in the early 60s while working with Carl Eaton as matchmaker, notably the Jose Beccera-Alphonse Halimi and the Carlos Ortiz-Battling Torres championship double-main event at the Coliseum. Do you know if the Eatons had any connection to those promotions?
I asked Frank about this a while back, and he thought the Eatons had a connection but wasn't certain of the exact arrangements.
It just seemed strange that Parnassus was the matchmaker for the Olympic, yet staged several big promotions on his own. Do you know the scoop on this?
Thanks Hap!
dagosd2000 wrote:RickRick Farris wrote:Ken Norton . . .
Tom, I just got off the phone with Mando Muniz and got the scoop on Ken Norton. For one thing, he isn't wheel chair bound, and he usually is at all the WBHOF events. The reason Ken wasn't at this years banquet is that the date was changed from October to November to accomodate Lennox Lewis' schedule. Norton has an annual commitment in Boston for the Marine Corps which took place on the weekend of this years banquet. I was disappointed becasue I know that Roger and Ken used to spar together and I hoped they'd have a chance to reunite this year.
As for Ken, he has a caretaker like Bobby Chacon and, ironically, her name is also Rose. Rose is very protective of the former champ just as Rosa is for Bobby. Ken still hits the golf course each year but only plays a few rounds, not the full 18. Mando says he's in the early stages of Alzhimers and occasionally loses his balance, however, he's in far better shape than some recent reports indicate. Last time I saw Ken I reminded him of a fight card on which we both fought, the night he KOed Vic Brown at the Santa Monica Civic Aud. in 1971. We also shared a few stories about his late trainer, Bill Slayton. That was awhile back, and he looked fine then with a smile on his face, enjoying the company of those surrounding him.
I felt good about Ken Norton after talking to Mando, and hope you feel the same.
-Rick Farris
Thanks for finding out about Ken. When I see him I'll show him the indented side of my nose courtesy of his left hand,or was it his right? He hit me so hard I can't remember.
Very well put Rick. As for Mando Muniz as Sheriff? Good pick.When I went to the Father/Son Banquet in Commerce earlier in the year,I asked my wife to take a picture of Mando Muniz and me. She didn't know how to work the camera and me and Mando were posing,it seemed ,for a long time. I started to get a little exasperated with her fumbling when Mando gave me a look. The look put me in my place and we got a great picture together.Rick Farris wrote:It wasn't right. This is an area beyond Rosa's control. Protecting Bobby is one thing, but she can't protect him being himself. The fighters love to sign autographs for fans, but they are often signing multi-products from people who will use them financial gain. They have a personality trait, all are openly rude, pushy, in need of an ass-whipping. That's cool, but the fighter gets nothing. It's exhausting for these proud men to sit hours on end signing, posing for pics, etc. The true fans respect the boxers, you can see the sparkle in their eyes as they stand face-to-face with their heros, a picture? They thank the champ from the bottom of their hearts. These people deserve the autograph, not a guy looking to devaluate whatever minimal monatary value the autograph might have. That is what WE at the WBHOF must look out for. However, there are those within Halls leadership which must be watched as well. I have some ideas that would benefit the fighters. As for your feeling that something wasn't right? You're instincts are in tact, leading you down the right path. I'm just discovering what is going on, and who is behind it. They are on the way out, we have a new sheriff about to be voted into top spot of the WBHOF and that's Mando Muniz. As you know, Rog, people find a way to turn a buck in just about anything. It's where the buck goes, and it never finds it's way into the fighters pockets. We can help them, by putting a fair price on their signature (something reasonable). If somebody can sell it for more, then please do. The boxers get 100% of the money taken in for their signature. It will not make 'em rich, but it won't cost the WBHOf a penny to do it for them. We do not need to take any money for making this happen. Anyway, I'm working on something for next year.dagosd2000 wrote:Rick
You mentioned that Rosie shields Bobby from people who might take advantage of him. I noticed at the banquet that there were a bunch of guys in suits who had Bobby at a table in the lobby signing a bunch of memorabilia. Now it was probably nothing,but I was thinking if they were taking advantage of him. They were smoking cigars and when I tried to get close to hear what they were saying they gave me a look like don't bother us. Bobby had a pile of stuff in front of him they wanted him to sign.
Like I say,probably nothing,but it didn't look right.
-Rick
These are my friends, all three of them. However, I can't help but ask, why the trophy? For doing what? I got one too, why?kikibalt wrote:
Josie Mejia, Michele Chong & Gwen Adair
