Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Rick
Ever come in contact with a couple of Light Heavies,Amado Vasquez and Hildo Silva? Fought often at the Coliseum. Vasquez,who I think was living in National City,lost a big fight to Mike Nixon down here.

Amado Vasquez lost a tough one to Orland De La Fuentes, Orlando was there with you guys at the WBHOF, Vasquez hit Orlando after the bell in one of the rounds and knocked him out, Orlando's dad Bob drag Orlando back to the corner and out came the smelling salts, Bob was able to revive Orlando who went on to win a decision.

Silva beat Orlando after Orlando's fight with Vasquez.

Gee,I wish I'd known that about Orlando. That night at the WBHOF him and his grandson were sitting there at the table. I broke the ice by introducing myself. After that everybody was one. Nice guy,him and his grandson.

Thanks for the music.

Oh,MERRY CHRISTMAS :D Rog
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Frank
I was listening just now to "Aguas De Marzo"(The March Rains). That Elis Regina was a little cutie.

I remember Archie Moore talking once about wanting to be a jazz musician. Don't let no one kid ya'. Sure he loved the music,but I also heard him say being a musician you don't get hit in the head.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Rick
Ever come in contact with a couple of Light Heavies,Amado Vasquez and Hildo Silva? Fought often at the Coliseum. Vasquez,who I think was living in National City,lost a big fight to Mike Nixon down here.

Amado Vasquez lost a tough one to Orland De La Fuentes, Orlando was there with you guys at the WBHOF, Vasquez hit Orlando after the bell in one of the rounds and knocked him out, Orlando's dad Bob drag Orlando back to the corner and out came the smelling salts, Bob was able to revive Orlando who went on to win a decision.

Silva beat Orlando after Orlando's fight with Vasquez.

Gee,I wish I'd known that about Orlando. That night at the WBHOF him and his grandson were sitting there at the table. I broke the ice by introducing myself. After that everybody was one. Nice guy,him and his grandson.

Thanks for the music.

Oh,MERRY CHRISTMAS :D Rog
Merry Xmas to you and yours.....
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500 pages and counting.... :TU: :bow: :box:
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LOOKING FOR THE TWILIGHT ZONE

I imagine there's a lot like me. As I got older and I didn't get anymore toys,Christmas became less interesting. I love spoiling my grandchildren now,but I make sure they have what they need throughout the rest of the year. They know my middle name is "Santa".

I just like to get the day over with. Hope nothing terrible happens. It would be "screw Christmas" if anything did. My wife loves Christmas. I think it's because she can do so much for the family now. Before when she was young on the ranch,I imagine Christmas was like any other day. Maybe a little sadder. I don't know. My wife certainly doesn't wallow in self pity.

The little kids love Christmas. They get a lot. Sometimes I look at all the presents under the tree and think the meaning is lost. My wife doesn't think that way. I've got enough grandchildren on the other side that keep the young population of the family growing in numbers. The presents will keep rolling in.

Like I said. Get it over with. No big games on TV. All the religous movies which don't interest me. Oh,I got religion. I just think the movies are lousy. My eyes are bad. Can't read much.

You know what I like to do on the big holidays? I look for those Twilight Zone marathons on the tube. I can get lost. Lying in bed in the other room. I shut the door half way. I can hear the kids opening their presents. Everything is OK. I'm in my Twilight Zone.
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Eartha Kitt, sultry singer and dancer, dies at 81
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NEW YORK -- A family friend says Eartha Kitt, a sultry singer, dancer and actress who rose from South Carolina cotton fields to become an international symbol of elegance and sensuality, has died. She was 81.

Andrew Freedman says Kitt died today of colon cancer and was recently treated at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in New York.

Kitt a self-proclaimed "sex kitten" famous for her catlike purr, was one of America's most versatile performers, winning two Emmys and getting a third nomination. She also was nominated for two Tony Awards and a Grammy.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Rick
Listening to music tonight. Went to Youtube. Great Brazilian number,"Aguas De Marzo"with Carlos Jobim and Elis Regina. Thought of Monica. Wish I knew how to get Youtube over to our thread.I'm a computer moron. :(
Roger . . . Monica is very familiar with the song and the artists. Carlos Jobim and Elis Regina were two biggest music personalities in Brazil. Carlos Jobim created "Bossa Nova" and sold more albums than the Beatles, he passed a few years back. Monica and her sister, Maria Luisa, were big fans of Elis Regina, who died of a drug overdose in the 80's. The song "Aguas De Marza", translates in English to "The Waters of March", which is about the end of summer in Brazil.

When Elis Regina died, it affected Brazilians like Elvis' death here in the US. People waited in line for 24 hours just to view her body.

Right now, summer is beginning in Brazil and in a month it will be time for "Carnival". The entire country closes down for seven days and nights. In Bahia, Monica's home state, there is a very strong African influence and she fondly remembers dancing Samba during Carnival. She said she would dance on top of a car in a parade, and everybody would join in. Thousands of people dancing in the streets, "The ground would shake, no kidding, thousands of people dancing!" she says.

Monica thanks you for bringing it to our attention, and to Frank for posting the YouTube link.

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kikibalt wrote:500 pages and counting.... :TU: :bow: :box:
That's a good start! It just gets better. The undisputed champion of boxing forum threads.

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Eartha Kitt, sultry singer and dancer, dies at 81

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Brad Oscar, dressed as Santa Claus, watching Eartha Kitt perform during the Christmas Pageant of Peace Opening Ceremony on the Ellipse in Washington.

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NEW YORK -- Eartha Kitt, a sultry singer, dancer and actress who rose from South Carolina cotton fields to become an international symbol of elegance and sensuality, has died, a family spokesman said. She was 81.

Andrew Freedman said Kitt, who was recently treated at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, died Thursday of colon cancer.

Kitt, a self-proclaimed "sex kitten" famous for her catlike purr, was one of America's most versatile performers, winning two Emmys and nabbing a third nomination. She also was nominated for several Tonys and two Grammys.

Her career spanned six decades, from her start as a dancer with the famed Katherine Dunham troupe to cabarets and acting and singing on stage, in movies and on television. She persevered through an unhappy childhood as a mixed-race daughter of the South and made headlines in the 1960s for denouncing the Vietnam War during a visit to the White House.

Through the years, Kitt remained a picture of vitality and attracted fans less than half her age even as she neared 80.

When her book "Rejuvenate," a guide to staying physically fit, was published in 2001, Kitt was featured on the cover in a long, curve-hugging black dress with a figure that some 20-year-old women would envy. Kitt also wrote three autobiographies.

Once dubbed the "most exciting woman in the world" by Orson Welles, she spent much of her life single, though brief romances with the rich and famous peppered her younger years.

After becoming a hit singing "Montonous" in the Broadway revue "New Faces of 1952," Kitt appeared in "Mrs. Patterson" in 1954-55. (Some references say she earned a Tony nomination for "Mrs. Patterson," but only winners were publicly announced at that time.) She also made appearances in "Shinbone Alley" and "The Owl and the Pussycat."

Her first album, "RCA Victor Presents Eartha Kitt," came out in 1954, featuring such songs as "I Want to Be Evil," "C'est Si Bon" and the saucy gold digger's theme song "Santa Baby," which is revived on radio each Christmas.

The next year, the record company released follow-up album "That Bad Eartha," which featured "Let's Do It," "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" and "My Heart Belongs to Daddy."

In 1996, she was nominated for a Grammy in the category of traditional pop vocal performance for her album "Back in Business." She also had been nominated in the children's recording category for the 1969 record "Folk Tales of the Tribes of Africa."

Kitt also acted in movies, playing the lead female role opposite Nat King Cole in "St. Louis Blues" in 1958 and more recently appearing in "Boomerang" and "Harriet the Spy" in the 1990s.

On television, she was the sexy Catwoman on the popular "Batman" series in 1967-68, replacing Julie Newmar who originated the role. A guest appearance on an episode of "I Spy" brought Kitt an Emmy nomination in 1966.

"Generally the whole entertainment business now is bland," she said in a 1996 Associated Press interview. "It depends so much on gadgetry and flash now. You don't have to have talent to be in the business today.

"I think we had to have something to offer, if you wanted to be recognized as worth paying for."
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kikibalt wrote:Courtesy of Roger

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Great looking kids. What impresses me is Amanda's gift of Flemenco and Adam's musical talent. There is a great deal of talent in the world, but at times, such talent connects with the best in the world, and if nurtured will lead to something great. What you and Maria do for those kids, taking them to Seville, where they can be a part of that world, that's special, Roger. You are doing something that is priceless, and those kids are smart, and they will never forget what made things possible. Just a thought.

-Rick
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Rick
Ever come in contact with a couple of Light Heavies,Amado Vasquez and Hildo Silva? Fought often at the Coliseum. Vasquez,who I think was living in National City,lost a big fight to Mike Nixon down here.

Amado Vasquez lost a tough one to Orland De La Fuentes, Orlando was there with you guys at the WBHOF, Vasquez hit Orlando after the bell in one of the rounds and knocked him out, Orlando's dad Bob drag Orlando back to the corner and out came the smelling salts, Bob was able to revive Orlando who went on to win a decision.

Silva beat Orlando after Orlando's fight with Vasquez.

Gee,I wish I'd known that about Orlando. That night at the WBHOF him and his grandson were sitting there at the table. I broke the ice by introducing myself. After that everybody was one. Nice guy,him and his grandson.

Thanks for the music.

Oh,MERRY CHRISTMAS :D Rog
I agree. I introduced myself to Orlando when I saw him at the table, but as you know, I was up & down that night. It was a pleasure to meet him formally because I'd known of his family for years, and his history with Elvis, etc. Recently, Frank had talked about Orlando, which gave us some good insight behind his career. A true gentleman who has earned his spot in California boxing history, a California Hall-of-Famer. We missed Frank, but we appreciated Orlando and his grandson.

-Rick
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Courtesy of Roger

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Amanda and Adam
Great looking kids. What impresses me is Amanda's gift of Flemenco and Adam's musical talent. There is a great deal of talent in the world, but at times, such talent connects with the best in the world, and if nurtured will lead to something great. What you and Maria do for those kids, taking them to Seville, where they can be a part of that world, that's special, Roger. You are doing something that is priceless, and those kids are smart, and they will never forget what made things possible. Just a thought.

-Rick

Thanks Rick for the kind words. Just got back from my daughter's house. Everyone was there. Funny thing Rick,it happens every Christmas but I don't realize it until the day arrives. Like i said ,I just came back from my daughter's. Lots of family,some friends. Plenty of food and presents.

I sat in the corner taking it all in. I was at ease to see that everyone was happy. I didn't want to take over. Be the center of attention. Just watch the kids opening their gifts. Playing and laughing . The women in the kitchen cooking. The adult males taking a drink,watching the Laker game.

I sat outside with a glass of wine.Smoked a cigar. I went back inside and sat on the sofa. I wanted everyone to be themselves. I think they knew that. No one asked me if Iwas unhappy. I didn't rush my wife to leave. When she gave me the word,we went home.

Everyone had a good time tonight. Nothing bad happened. Earlier I said I would go to the back room and try to find The Twilight Zone marathon on the television. Well I couldn't find it there. But sitting and watching Christmas Eve at my daughter's,put me in a dimension that could have been scripted by Rod Serling.
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For Bennie and Rob M.

Westfield London mega-mall has something to prove

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‘BIT OVERWHELMING’: Shoppers try out the new Westfield London mega-mall. Many observers wonder as to the outcome of the $2.7-billion gamble.
The vast shopping emporium opened as the global economic downturn took hold. Mall executives are upbeat, but British habits and reined-in spending may yet take a toll.

By Henry Chu
December 26, 2008

Reporting from London -- With a map in her hand and a furrow in her brow, Delia Siedle tried to get her bearings. She was in alien territory, unsettled by the noisy throngs around her and the bewildering array of places to go.

Should she head for the Village, a few minutes' walk away? Or wander over to the Southern Terrace? The map gave directions, but no answers.

"I find it all a bit overwhelming, really," Siedle said.

Such was her experience at Westfield London, a gleaming new mega-mall that opened in October in the British capital. Larger than the Glendale Galleria, with twice as many shops and restaurants as the Beverly Center, the mall is urban London's biggest shopping complex.

It is also one of the city's biggest question marks, a cipher not only to Siedle, but to many observers who wonder what the outcome will be for this $2.7-billion gamble.

There was a time that it appeared to be an easy call. Amid the seemingly unstoppable prosperity and gleeful spending of recent years, a massive commercial development in well-heeled west London, with stores like Tiffany & Co. and Louis Vuitton, looked like a safe bet.

But the dice are loaded now with bad economic news. Britain has plunged into a recession, the unemployment rate is the highest in more than a decade, and even some of the most venerable of retailers are going belly up, such as Woolworths.

"Conditions are very tough, and customers are reining in their spending," said Richard Dodd of the British Retail Consortium, adding that about the only sector not facing difficult times is food.

The situation is grim enough that Queen Elizabeth II, in her annual Christmas Day speech, felt moved to address the "feelings of insecurity" among her subjects.

"Christmas is a time for celebration, but this year, it is a more somber occasion for many. Some of those things which could once have been taken for granted suddenly seem less certain," said the queen. One of her own dressmakers recently went bankrupt.

Whether Westfield London will survive under such circumstances or become, as one commentator put it, "a giant monument to the hubris of the nation" is being eagerly watched.

No one, of course, had anticipated such a severe and sudden economic downturn. "Worldwide financial meltdown" and "credit crunch" were not yet figures of everyday speech when the city's new cathedral of consumerism was being planned and built.

The Australia-based Westfield Group, which also owns several malls in the Los Angeles area, including ones in Century City, Culver City, Canoga Park and Sherman Oaks, insists that it is here for the duration. Such huge complexes are long-term investments both for the developer and the department stores that anchor them, which often sign leases for 50 years. Among the big players at Westfield London are Marks & Spencer and Debenhams, two of the best-known and best-loved names in British retail.

But for smaller stores, the typical one-year-free leasing incentive is more meaningful now that Britain is bracing for a recession expected to last through most, if not all, of 2009.

Just how hard the economy would crash was still unclear when the mall opened Oct. 30, to the pop of champagne corks and flashbulbs. London's floppy-haired mayor, Boris Johnson, urged "my fellow consumers" to go forth and spend, confidently asserting that there were people out there "sitting on piles of money."

Besides boutique shops and well-known chain stores, the center boasts high-end names such as Gucci and Montblanc, clustered in an exclusive corner called the Village, and dozens of cafes and restaurants in a food court and along the Southern Terrace. Valet parking costs about $16.

Westfield executives say that they are pleased with the launch, which came in time for the all-important holiday shopping season. At present, 99% of the retail space has been leased, and the mall has averaged about half a million shoppers a week, said Simon Holberton, director of corporate affairs at Westfield's London office.

But many of those visitors have come for the mall's "novelty value," he acknowledged. How long they linger and whether they buy anything is another matter.

"We're working very hard with our retailers on their store promotions," Holberton said. "We're promoting the center ourselves as a premier destination in London to shop and dine and generally hang out, and we're also targeting key tourist markets," such as rich shoppers from the Middle East.

The real test will come in several weeks, after the Christmas rush and the after-Christmas sales.

"We opened at the right time, just before Christmas, and figures are very encouraging," said Tim Campbell Scott, manager of the Fossil store. "But the proof of it will be how we trade from February onwards, once we come out of the sales period. Until then you can't really tell how the mall will be doing."

Beyond the challenge of doing business during economic gloom, the mall is also counting on many Londoners to change their shopping habits.

Always sticklers for tradition, Britons profess themselves loyal to their local "high streets," or main streets. Even in sprawling London, nearly every neighborhood has its own shopping drag, and for those needing one on a grander scale, Oxford Street and Regent Street beckon.

Although mega-malls are not a new concept in this country, they mostly have been built outside major cities, akin to outlet centers in Southern California. Planting one in the middle of an urban landscape is a departure and, some fear, a threat to previously established businesses and more community-minded forms of development.

"It's quite radical for London," said Jenny Miles, 30, a human resources worker who dropped in on the mall for some last-minute Christmas shopping.

She was impressed with its size, variety and shininess, but said, "This isn't my ideal shopping experience, because I quite like the [traditional] high street."

The Westfield Group has tried hard to burnish its credentials as a civic player rather than a retail monster. It spent $270 million on improvements to local transit links, such as renovated subway stations, and is committed to revamping a nearby park.

And in a nod to increasing environmental concerns, carbon-saving measures were incorporated in its design, including a computer-modeled roof that makes the best use of light and heat from the sun.

Once the mall is fully up and running, including a multiplex cinema planned for sometime next year, about 7,000 jobs will have been created.

For now, the company is focused on guiding the mall through its first few months.

But another major gamble lies ahead.

The Westfield Group is building an even bigger project, a mixed-use development with a gigantic mall as well as office and living space, on the other side of town.

The East London project is scheduled to open in 2012 -- just in time for the nearby Olympic Games.

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Times staff writer Janet Stobart contributed to this report.
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15 (rounds) memories of 2008
by Norm Frauenheim


It was a good year. Thanks, Manny Pacquiao. It was a surprising year. Thanks, Pacquiao and Bernard Hopkins and Antonio Margarito. It was a tough year. Get well, Genaro Hernandez. It was a disappointing year. Goodbye, Telefutura.

I’m not sure where boxing is headed in 2009, which looms as the first year in the post Oscar De La Hoya era. But there was plenty to celebrate. Frustrate, too. Awards, like re-gifting on Christmas, are an annual ritual. Keep some. Forget others. But any year ender is just a collection of memories.

Here are 15, good and bad, for every round:

1 – It’s almost a redundancy to call Pacquiao the best of 2008. He has been called Fighter of the Year more often than he hit a defenseless De La Hoya in the seventh and eighth rounds on Dec. 6. Those weren’t the best rounds of the year. But they were most stunning of any.

2 — Margarito’s energy was relentless in a stubborn assault during the late rounds against Miguel Cotto, who just looked like somebody trying to get out of the way of a force of nature. Julio Cesar Chavez used to wear a red headband. Since Chavez, no Mexican has worn it, almost as if he owned, like Margarito did against Cotto.

3 – Hopkins. I haven’t seen Hopkins listed among Comeback of the Year candidates. Maybe, that’s because he’s always making some kind of comeback in a career – perhaps life — full of resurrections that continued against Kelly Pavlik in an upset that made fools of prognosticators, including this one.

4 – Freddie Roach. If he doesn’t get every vote for Trainer of the Year, then a voter must be one of those judges who scored it for Nikolai Valuev over Evander Holyfield. Roach also gets a vote for Prophet of the Year and even Matchmaker of the Year. In so accurately predicting that De La Hoya couldn’t “pull the trigger,’’ he talked him into fighting and failing against Pacquiao.

5 – Rogers Mtagwa against Tomas Villa in the 10th in Tucson. In year loaded with great rounds, this one stands out because it was delivered by two unknown guys, who – for a few furious moments — made themselves the equal of bigger names. Mtagwa was down in the ninth. In the 10th, sudden right hands from Mtgwa knocked out Villa. In a Telefutura curtain closer, it was an exhibition of the stuff, the right stuff that keeps boxing alive on so many levels.

6 — Israel Vazquez’ victory over Rafael Marquez in March is being called the Fight of the Year by many, in part because it turned a trilogy into history. Is a four-peat possible? Encores are tough to do, but this one might be tougher not to.

7 – Juan Manuel Marquez. He is a nagging reminder that Pacquiao, although the best, is not unbeatable. There are a lot of people who still think that Marquez got robbed in a decision that went to Pacquiao in March in the rematch od a draw.. It is another reminder that, yes, styles make fights. Styles also sometimes stand in the way of a rematch, especially if you’re Pacquiao.

8 – Joe Calzaghe. His mouth is sometimes as busy as his hands. Yeah, he is annoying, especially when he talks about the demise of boxing. His criticism of De La Hoya failed to account for Pacquiao’s brilliance and a couple of potential blockbusters against Ricky Hatton and Floyd Mayweather Jr. Those are fights that could relieve the battered game all over again. But Calzaghe is also very good, good enough to be No. 2 or No. 3 on any pound-for-pound list.

9 – Never has silence been so memorable. Never thought I’d say this either, but I almost miss hearing from Mayweather. Actually, I miss seeing him in the ring. He can reclaim that pound-for-pound perch with his singular talent, but he has to be willing to take a chance, too. There’s no danger in a rematch with Ricky Hatton in the first step of a comeback. The big gamble would be Pacquiao.

10 – Welcome back John McCain. Arizona’s senior senator won’t be in the White House, but he plans to get back into the ring and resume his pursuit of a federal boxing commission. In a wide-ranging interview with him about 10 days ago, he said he felt compelled to put some teeth into the Muhammad Al Act with further legislation. Sometimes, you wonder if anybody outside a so-called fringe sport cares. McCain does.

11 – Bah Humbug is another way of saying Bah Heavyweights. Yeah, a terrible decision went against Holyfield, who told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he is protesting his loss to Valuev for the World Boxing Association’s version of the title. The protest is a way for him to stay in the ring and in line for money he reportedly needs. Meanwhile, the fight was just a reason to say that not only he should retire. Valuev should too.

12 – Juan Diaz. Just when I was about to ask whatever-happened-to, his name pops up as an opponent for Juan Manuel Marquez on Feb. 28 in Houston. Finally, Diaz appears ready to emerge from the mess in the war of words in his fallout with Don King. Finally, an important prospect is back in a mix that promises to sustain the sport for the next couple of years.

13 – Victor Ortiz. A lot of people continue to call him a prospect. Maybe, but he looked like somebody close to his potential in a victory on the undercard of Pacquiao’s victory over De La Hoya, whose battered and bruised face was softened up in training camp with a tell-tlae back eye in sparring with Ortiz..

14 – For Hernandez, it’s cancer. For Oscar Diaz, it was a head injury in the ring. They’re good fighters and better people. Pray for them.

15 – Happy Holidays.
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T’ HAS BEEN less than a year now since Manuel Ortiz was
laid to rest. Rut during a discussion about the great bantam-.
weights of all time, Ortiz’ name
was repeated so often it seemed.
he was still with us.

Before the Ruben OlivaresChuchu Castillo match in Los Angeles, a group of boxing writers were involved in a heated discussion about the bantamweight
division. One L.A. veteran writer
spoke of Ortiz as if he were still
slugging.

“This has always been a hell of a good division,” he said. “But for all the ones I’ve seen nobody will ever top Manuel Ortiz. Just
at the records he compiled”

A Mexican, Ortiz fought over three decades, beginning his career in 1937 and not calling it quits until 1955. During’ that time he successfully defended his bantamweight championship a record 21 times, holding the title from 1942 until 1950. He lost the crown for the final time on May 31, 1950—20 years to the day before he died.

Among his most memorable bouts were the five wars he had with Carlos Chavez when both were at the peaks of their careers. Chavez later became one of Ortiz’ closest friends. But their battles were probably the most fierce ever witnessed in Los Angeles.
Each of the five fights between

the two went the distance—a total of 57 rounds of toe-to-toe slugging. Two ended in draws, two were won by Ortiz via narrow decisions and the final one was taken by Chavez through, an even closer decision.

Ortiz won the crown in 1942 with a 12-round decision over Lou Salica. He would go on to fight in 23 world title fights winning 21. In 1943 alone, he successfully defended his title eight times. Many, including immortals such as Willie Pep, consider him the toughest man, pound-for- pound, they ever fought.

“Manny was the first man I ever sparred with,” Pep remembered. “That experience alone
Manuel Ortiz’ career: spanned three decades. He was bantamweight champion of the world for eight years, successfully defending his title 21 times—eight times in one’ year alone! Yet when hç died not long ago, the world press didn’t give him the kind of respect he deserved. This, therefore, is a.

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Ortiz as he looked when in his prime. Right: Ortiz (right) with longtime friend and trainer, Ray Luna, arrive in Johannesburg, South Africa, for 1950 title fight with
• Vic Toweel.
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should have been enough to make
me hang up my gloves right then
and there. Three years later we
were both champs. Manny had
put on some weight and challeng
ed me formy featherweight title.
I remembered what he had done
to mm the gym that day. I was
luck to get away with a decision.”

— - Manuel, all business in the ring,
was a funloving individual on the outside. “I don’tthink I ever saw him without• a smile on his face and a good word to say about everybody,” Archie Moore recalled. But his partying outside the ring cost him heavily. He lost a wife through divorce and most of his bankroll.

He became extremely sick in 1963 and underwent abdominal surgery for a gastric hemorrhage. 1-fe was in such critical condition that reports said he had ‘lust about died.’ But as usual. Manuel
fought back—and won!

But then in 1968 he was again stricken with the same problem. He knew then he was dying hut he never stopped laughing and smiling and cheering up visitors. Even after everyone had given up hope, Manuel somehow found the courage to leave his hospital bed and make an appearance at the Chuchu Castillo-Jesus Pimenral bout in Los Angeles.

However, three years later, the drinking of the earlier years finally took its toll. He died of cirrhosis of the liver at the San Diego Naval Hospital — and by his side as he slipped into the final coma was Carlos Chaez. the arch-rival of his glory years.

Manuel Oniz. who weighed less than 120 pounds in his fighting prime hut was a giant by every other standard. had about 140 fights during his long career (many others were never recorded). Of those. he lost, at the most, only 30, and was knocked out twice—once by Manny Or- - tega in 1947 (when Manuel was

long past his prime), and then for good on May 31, 1970.
Rest in peace. champ.
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Hidden for half a century. Boy, oh boy, here's a barn find for you.

1940 BARN DODGE

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TRUTH IS A MOVING TARGET

When Denny Moyer came out to San Diego he didn't have much left. He fought way too much. He needed the money. It was risky for him to go in there,but he didn't care. A lot of those guys like Moyer, when they should have hung them up long ago,keep on fighting. They don't worry about it. Moyer certainly didn't worry about it. I don't know what he worried about. Prohibition wasn't coming back.

He plugged along at the old Coliseum. Sometimes he was in there with a young talent. He'd lose,but what his young opponents learned from Denny in the ring,they should have split their half of the purse with him. Sometimes though Moyer would have a "mark." A fighter who had no qualifications being in the ring with him. One of these guys was a fellow named Vicente Medina.

Medina's career never had any golden era. There wasn't a peak. No fights in the Garden. No Sugar Rays or Griffiths on his resume. One night he had the opportunity to chalk up a win against a man who had been in there with the aforementioned. Now when Denny beat you,you didn't wind up in the hospital. You just went back to school. You had learned a lesson. How to slip punches. How to work inside. Movement and leverage. You learned a lot when you fought Moyer.

Well that night Vicente should have filmed the proceedings. Everything Moyer could do ,Vicente couldn't. Medina was pissin' into the wind. He'd lead and couldn't follow. He countered too late. He stumbled,Moyer moved. Vicente was looking at a moving target. He didn't have enough ammunition to hit a bulls eye.

After it was over Medina stayed in Palookaville. Moyer lived there too now. The sad thing was Denny had no business taking up residence in a place like that..
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100 years after he won the world title the BBC produced this documentary about Jack Johnson, narrated by Lennox Lewis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... ton_Giant/
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dagosd2000 wrote:TRUTH IS A MOVING TARGET

When Denny Moyer came out to San Diego he didn't have much left. He fought way too much. He needed the money. It was risky for him to go in there,but he didn't care. A lot of those guys like Moyer, when they should have hung them up long ago,keep on fighting. They don't worry about it. Moyer certainly didn't worry about it. I don't know what he worried about. Prohibition wasn't coming back.

He plugged along at the old Coliseum. Sometimes he was in there with a young talent. He'd lose,but what his young opponents learned from Denny in the ring,they should have split their half of the purse with him. Sometimes though Moyer would have a "mark." A fighter who had no qualifications being in the ring with him. One of these guys was a fellow named Vicente Medina.

Medina's career never had any golden era. There wasn't a peak. No fights in the Garden. No Sugar Rays or Griffiths on his resume. One night he had the opportunity to chalk up a win against a man who had been in there with the aforementioned. Now when Denny beat you,you didn't wind up in the hospital. You just went back to school. You had learned a lesson. How to slip punches. How to work inside. Movement and leverage. You learned a lot when you fought Moyer.

Well that night Vicente should have filmed the proceedings. Everything Moyer could do ,Vicente couldn't. Medina was pissin' into the wind. He'd lead and couldn't follow. He countered too late. He stumbled,Moyer moved. Vicente was looking at a moving target. He didn't have enough ammunition to hit a bulls eye.

After it was over Medina stayed in Palookaville. Moyer lived there too now. The sad thing was Denny had no business taking up residence in a place like that..
In 1973 I worked with Vicente Medina in his fight against Frank "Paco" Flores in Tucson, Arizona, which he lost by s.d, Medina ko David Love, dont remember if it was before or after the Flores fight
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Kiki:

Thanks so much for that wonderful post on my friend Manuel Ortiz. Someday, if there is in fact justice, the world will come to recognize what only a few of us agree on now......the utter greatness of this magnificent fighter. I don't begrudge the accolades heaped upon those bantams who are often considered superior. I simply maintain that there was never a talent in the ring that even resembled the aesthetic style that was the trademark of Manuel Ortiz. God Bless his soul.

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Kiki:

Thanks so much for that wonderful post on my friend Manuel Ortiz. Someday, if there is in fact justice, the world will come to recognize what only a few of us agree on now......the utter greatness of this magnificent fighter. I don't begrudge the accolades heaped upon those bantams who are often considered superior. I simply maintain that there was never a talent in the ring that even resembled the aesthetic style that was the trademark of Manuel Ortiz. God Bless his soul.

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Dongee wrote:Kiki:

Thanks so much for that wonderful post on my friend Manuel Ortiz. Someday, if there is in fact justice, the world will come to recognize what only a few of us agree on now......the utter greatness of this magnificent fighter. I don't begrudge the accolades heaped upon those bantams who are often considered superior. I simply maintain that there was never a talent in the ring that even resembled the aesthetic style that was the trademark of Manuel Ortiz. God Bless his soul.

hap navarro
Hap...Thanks to Dan Hanley who send me the article, Hap, there is very few of us lelt who were bless with the opportunity to see Manuel Ortiz fight live, thus, very few to appreciate his true greatness.
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kikibalt wrote:Hidden for half a century. Boy, oh boy, here's a barn find for you.

1940 BARN DODGE

http://www.californiaclassix.com/archiv ... _c154.html
What a car! I remember when I was a kid in the 50's, my father had an old Dodge that was built in the late 40's. Looked something like this, but ours wasn't in as cherry condition as this one. I forgot all about wind wings. Chrysler Corp. made strong cars then. I just showed my wife, who loves old cars. I told her, "this is your PT Cruiser's grandfather."

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