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Terry D wrote:

WayoftheCass wrote:Just read this:

http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=19838

Its just the usual crap isn't it. Has any fighter ever legitimately won a fight? Nah there is always some bullshit excuse from the trainer, manager or fighter himself. So Hatton got a virus against Lazcano and he also had one against Urango?
Utter bollocks. A) What exact virus was it Dr Graham? I mean don't fighters have to pass a medical before they can fight? Even at that it was probably a slight head cold or sinus infection. Hardly a bloody virus. Lets say it was a virus. So it lasts for 2-3 days max. On that basis an 8 week training camp is put into disarray and only by the grace of God does the fighter manager to do 12 action packed rounds and comfortably win the fight? Yeah very good. Tell us another one.
Its just all BS. I notice how Graham conveniently forgets to remind us that Hatton had always struggled with southpaws (see Magee and Collazo) and indeed had been on the canvas heavily and badly shaken up by Magee. So we're meant to believe that he has nightmares with those 2 when at his peak but could have handled Manny Pcquiao easily? Yeah right.
Its just so typical of boxing trainers. I mean the Kerry Kayes stuff is laughable. Talking about drinking loads of water and pissing like a racehorse as if that was a factor in Hatton getting knocked out in 2 rounds. Aren't there like hundreds of approaches and techniques for conditioning? Are we to believe that Mayweather Snr as idiotic as he is has been a pro fighters himself and worked with ODLH and Guzman but completely neglects them? Just how big a factor is conditioning in a 2 round fight anyway?
I'm just so fed up with this kind of nonsense. Its like after every big fight someone associated with the beaten fighter comes out with all of this crap about how things would have been different if the moons of Jupiter had aligned, Cher was number 1 in the charts and ultimately the defeated man had been more talented and a better boxer.
I remember George Foreman saying that its very rare for a training camp to ever go 100% well.There's always something that goes wrong; bad sparring : a cut: a cold: an injured muscle: a damaged knuckle etc, etc. Its the same for every fighter.
What makes Graham's laments ultimately flawed is that he says he would have pulled Hatton out of the Lazcano fight if he could have so he's basically admitting that he knowingly took an ill fighter into a fight and didn't do anything about it. Therefore the pay cheque meant more than his 'great friend's' health did it? Billy never at any point thought that no longer having the power to decide if your own charge was in good enough health to compete in a 12 round fight in front of 50,000 people, constituted a reason to quit?
I admire Billy Graham a lot and thought he got somewhat rear ended by Team Hatton in the way Mayweather Snr was given free range to constantly insult him. However stuff like this just makes it very hard to take him seriously.He's not the 1st to come out with bullshit like this. Manny Steward I remember in a recent interview attributed Tommy Hearns's loss to Hagler as being down to an unauthorised person in the dressing room massaging Hearns calves in the hour leading up to the ring walk. Yeah right Manny that's why Hagler nearly put your charge through the canvas. Honestly are these people so deluded that they think even a reasonably intelligent person is gonna buy that. Just lose gracefully for crying out loud.
To paraphrase one of my favourite movie lines:
Sometimes the bullshit piles up so fast in boxing you would need wings to stay above it.

Pre-fight medicals usually check for stuff like brain damage/shadows, a virus is often picked up in the early days of a camp, as the body adjusts to the changes. They actually got a doctor in to look at him, and the training was fiddled about with, for the second time that camp.

It is actually a 12-week training camp, the schedule is decided in advance, so the days taken up by the virus meant an extension of certain aspects of the training.

I am not sure it actually says that 'Manny would have been handled easily' at any point, in fact I am almost positive that is not what he said, just, in his opinion, and yes we did talk about the Magee and Collazo fights, that Hatton would have won a few years back.

The stuff about the water is about hydration, and how you come into the weigh in without flogging a dried up body, it is a bug bear of Kayes, and he often talks to active boxers about this type of thing, they find it quite interesting, and helpful.

The main thrust was to ask if Hatton had come into the fight in top condition, looking at him on the scales I thought, "No", and, fortunately, was able to canvas the opinion of two men who have a track record of bringing guys into fights at a certain weight, and under certain conditions. No excuse making, just explaining why the fighter never quite looked at the races, or one side of why this was the case.

As for people associated with the boxer making excuses, the two are no longer associated, and should Graham have quit when they did not pull the Lazcano fight? Maybe, it is his choice, if he had have done there would be threads slating him for leaving 'his man' in the lurch.

Fighters get ill before fights, if they win we do not hear anything about it, if they lose they make excuses, if they do not make excuses they may not be able to come back again. It is part psychology.

No one is trying to deny that Hatton was beaten by the better boxer on the night, we were just looking at his pre-fight conditions, which was poor, and getting the thoughts of his former trainer, who, by the way, has sat back for a year and listened to people say that he was poop, had no knowledge of the technical aspects of boxing and was holding Hatton back, so he is entitled to have his say on what went wrong in this fight, as it may partially remind people that he did the odd thing right (such as bringing Kayes in), and counteracts a little of the professional/personal slating he received from Floyd, who clearly needs to learn about this area, or bring someone in who knows about it.

DavidPayne wrote:I like to be contrary when I can.

I mean its a miracle Hatton made it up the ring-steps really, he only had 4 months notice, could have picked any trainer, gym, team, programme on the planet.

Hatton made ALL the decisions. Nobody forced Mayweather on him, they may have encouraged the notion but Hatton is master of his own destiny, he's MD of his own career.

Whatever happened in camp is Hatton's fault, whether it be weight, focus, strategy, stamina, trainer, nutrition, location, sparring etc.

Ricky hires and fires.

He's proved that. He had a taster run with Mayweather last year and talked endlessly about how he should have done it sooner, how he'd got worse under Graham how Mayweather had him improving and remembering his skills.

Pacman won the fight because he is quicker, fitter, hungrier, better prepared, better tactics, more skilled, faster footwork and hits harder - and he was responsible for all of those factors directly or throught the employment of qualified personnel. Something Raith Hatton isn't really.

They are good at making money though.

confirmation wrote:

Spud wrote:

rhino222 wrote: why did he not want to stay spud, and why did they not insist he stay? were his (kayes) financial demands too much for team hatton to think that he was worth it.?

Financial Demands from Kayes???

I dont think so - you should ask Kerry - he may tell you - you will be stunned by his reply.

Thinly veiled "I-know-something-you-don't" comment by Spud as usual. F*ck off with these types of comments mate.

DG. wrote:

confirmation wrote:

Spud wrote:
Financial Demands from Kayes???

I dont think so - you should ask Kerry - he may tell you - you will be stunned by his reply.

Thinly veiled "I-know-something-you-don't" comment by Spud as usual. F*ck off with these types of comments mate.

The deal is.. Kerry Kayes never took a penny from Hatton.

Spud wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

Terry D wrote:See BBN interview with Kayes/Graham for quotes on this, cannot post it as it will get classed as spam.

Why? It used to be OK. I realise a lot of BBN links get posted on here, but what's wrong with that? First of all, a lot of BBN writers post here. Secondly, they're all well known on the board, generally respected and post on a wide range of things, not just their own site/articles. Thirdly, I can't remember anyone complaining about BBN links, so where's the problem??

Just want to pick up on this - I honestly believe boxrec are making a mistake here - BBN are a good site and I see nothing wrong with posting their links on this site.

The only thing I can think of why this has happened is - If a forum like this posts a link to a site and within that article contains possible libellous, or dodgy comments then they are as guilty if proven so as the original site where the article originated from and thus it seems there is a bigger picture here in that a promoter or an individual has complained in the past and all boxrec are doing is protecting themselves - that is the only thing I can think of for this move.

Terry D wrote:

YoungBlood. wrote:6 pages of nonsence written by a bunch of blokes with nothing better to do, either that or they are trying to kill the bordom in their lives.


I can break this down really simple.

No version of Ricky Hatton would have ever beaton Manny Pac or PBF.

I was saying to a pro boxing trainer back in 2001 at the Jason Rowland fight that Hatton was a one dimentional, cheating over hyped fighter and that as soon as he faced a real prime top fighter he would be exposed.

Lets just bury Ricky Hatton the W BUM U, the crap jokes, the crap Man City ring walk, the "Im just one of the lads", the "Im bigger that him", the "Me boxin skills am underrated", the excuses after excuses when he get KTFO.

Fook Ricky Hatton he is GONE & boxing is better of without him, lets move on and support REAL fighters like Kevin Mitchell, Karl Froch ect,ect

R.I.P Ricky "The Bad Joke" Fatton

Oh dear, KG will be pleased. 'Support' is what it is all about, and we should support those guys, and will, but they will not pull in the numbers that Hatton did.

DavidPayne wrote:
"I think about the implications when alone between the sheets
When all the huggin' and kissin' is tearin' my heart apart
All people standin' hand in hand, celebratin' all different colours
Joining together, sharing their feelings, please believe me

Oh believe me, believe
Believe me, believe

If only I could I'd make this world a better place
If only I could I'd make this world a better place

If only I could"

YoungBlood. wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:
"I think about the implications when alone between the sheets
When all the huggin' and kissin' is tearin' my heart apart
All people standin' hand in hand, celebratin' all different colours
Joining together, sharing their feelings, please believe me

Oh believe me, believe
Believe me, believe

If only I could I'd make this world a better place
If only I could I'd make this world a better place

If only I could"

Is that the only YoungBlood you could google?

Now try the one that used to be in Ali's corner.

I can read you like a book,shirt & tie, office job, mid 40's, bald, low sperm count, erection problems, bad genetics, wine expert and pretends to love boxing when deep down violence makes your balls retract into your stomach.

DavidPayne wrote:

YoungBlood. wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:
"I think about the implications when alone between the sheets
When all the huggin' and kissin' is tearin' my heart apart
All people standin' hand in hand, celebratin' all different colours
Joining together, sharing their feelings, please believe me

Oh believe me, believe
Believe me, believe

If only I could I'd make this world a better place
If only I could I'd make this world a better place

If only I could"

Is that the only YoungBlood you could google?

Now try the one that used to be in Ali's corner.

I can read you like a book,shirt & tie, office job, mid 40's, bald, low sperm count, erection problems, bad genetics, wine expert and pretends to love boxing when deep down violence makes your balls retract into your stomach.

Not far off actually. I'm 35, balding, office job, shirt and tie, two children, 6ft 1, 200lbs and like any wine which cost less than £4 a bottle. And its so true, violence makes my balls retract into my stomach. Heck you're good at this stuff.

I made the picture bigger to mask my shitty genetics and erection problem.

DavidPayne wrote:I agree Youngblood, they've lowered the tone there. Everlast actually sent me the wraps for review themselves but thats another story. But for my genetic faults I'm sure they'd have worked a treat - I didn't know TKMax did Everlast, I love that shop, thanks for the tip. I usually only buy my occassional chairs and ornamental vase from there but I'll be sure to check it out.

YoungBlood. wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:I agree Youngblood, they've lowered the tone there. Everlast actually sent me the wraps for review themselves but thats another story. But for my genetic faults I'm sure they'd have worked a treat - I didn't know TKMax did Everlast, I love that shop, thanks for the tip. I usually only buy my occassional chairs and ornamental vase from there but I'll be sure to check it out.

:bow:

What i want to know is WTF are you doing in a boxing gym?


BTW, Like the way you slip in the everlast connection, guess what, i have a pair of Everlast shorts with Expressly Made For Muhammad Ali on the tag........do they still do those anymore?

Terry D wrote:Payne is a tough guy. I opened this thread without thinking and sh*t myself when i saw that photo of him 'gloved up', now the whole office stinks, my hair has fallen out and the wine is on the turn, poop, I have just given the game away an all.

hurlock wrote:lmao @ everlast goes tkmax :lol:

it's like john barroman meets boxercise :lol:

why bother posting a pic of yourself :lol:

good laugh this is grown men digging eachother out!!

i bet young blood looks like bob fossil from the boosh :TU:

Terry D wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:

Terry D wrote:Payne is a tough guy. I opened this thread without thinking and sh*t myself when i saw that photo of him 'gloved up', now the whole office stinks, my hair has fallen out and the wine is on the turn, poop, I have just given the game away an all.

Dooley, that was my best Liston look, stop taking the piss. I appreciate I look like Nigel Havers in a thick jumper but cut me some slack here.

Slack cut, but Havers, you really must be a smooth operator to get comparisons to the big NH.

Rizpec'!

hurlock wrote:lmao @ everlast goes tkmax :lol:

it's like john barroman meets boxercise :lol:

why bother posting a pic of yourself :lol:

good laugh this is grown men digging eachother out!!

i bet young blood looks like bob fossil from the boosh :TU: