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ThatOne wrote:Unlike Granny I can provide CITATIONS for my arguments instead of just making poop up:


Citations -If you completed junior high school you would know that's a refernce to the original source

Zora Folley -"Muhammad Ali- His Life And Times-pg 167
Cus D'amato-
Archie Moore- "Muhammad Ali- His Life And Times"- pg 49
Ken Norton- http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-ne ... erview.php
Eddie Futch-http://coxscorner.tripod.com/ali.html
Floyd Patterson-"Muhammad Ali- His Life And Times"-pg 459
Jose Torres-"Muhammad Ali-His Life And Times"-pg.458
Kevin Rooney-"Muhammad Ali-His Life And Times"-pg 459
Bill Cayton-Muhammad Ali-His Life And Times"-pg459

granberry wrote:Get the copy of Sports Illustrated after the Folley-Ali fight.

Folley says Ali can't punch (he contrasts Liston as a great puncher)

and Folley says he, Folley, was ten years past his best when he fought Ali.

granberry wrote:Patterson said Ali couldn't punch and did NOT have fast hands.

Patterson said that repeatedly.

Like Folley, Patterson gave Liston as the example of the great puncher.

Remember, Ali shills never LIE.

And those who laugh at the crap regurgitated by the frantic Ali shills are EVIL.

Anything "quoted" by an Ali shill is a "fact."

Anything ever written, even by David Remnick and Monte Cox, is a "fact" as long as it sells The Religion of Ali.

Deep thinkers and thorough "scholars" like frantic Ali shill the One are paragons of unbiased seeking after the "truth."

LOL

Give us some more "truth," straight from David Remnick, Monte Cox, assorted internet posters, and anyone else who works for The Religion of Ali.

Post away, frantically, the One.

Grimm wrote:

granberry wrote:Patterson said Ali couldn't punch and did NOT have fast hands.

Patterson said that repeatedly.

Like Folley, Patterson gave Liston as the example of the great puncher.

Remember, Ali shills never LIE.

And those who laugh at the crap regurgitated by the frantic Ali shills are EVIL.

Anything "quoted" by an Ali shill is a "fact."

Anything ever written, even by David Remnick and Monte Cox, is a "fact" as long as it sells The Religion of Ali.

Deep thinkers and thorough "scholars" like frantic Ali shill the One are paragons of unbiased seeking after the "truth."

LOL

Give us some more "truth," straight from David Remnick, Monte Cox, assorted internet posters, and anyone else who works for The Religion of Ali.

Post away, frantically, the One.

granberry now's the time hit him with the comic book post about Mexican fighters. I bet that'll get em.

ThatOne wrote:

Grimm wrote:

granberry wrote:Patterson said Ali couldn't punch and did NOT have fast hands.

Patterson said that repeatedly.

Like Folley, Patterson gave Liston as the example of the great puncher.

Remember, Ali shills never LIE.

And those who laugh at the crap regurgitated by the frantic Ali shills are EVIL.

Anything "quoted" by an Ali shill is a "fact."

Anything ever written, even by David Remnick and Monte Cox, is a "fact" as long as it sells The Religion of Ali.

Deep thinkers and thorough "scholars" like frantic Ali shill the One are paragons of unbiased seeking after the "truth."

LOL

Give us some more "truth," straight from David Remnick, Monte Cox, assorted internet posters, and anyone else who works for The Religion of Ali.

Post away, frantically, the One.

granberry now's the time hit him with the comic book post about Mexican fighters. I bet that'll get em.

The funniest thing on internet boards is seeing somebody destroyed on their own "burn" threads.

granberry wrote:SPORTS ILLUSTRATED is famous as the FLAMING SHILL magazine for Ali.

HOW MANY TIMES has Sports Illustrated had Ali on its cover?

20 times?

30 times?

50 times?

WHO wrote the crap containing the supposed quote attributed to Folley?

Is there a NAME on it?

The Sports Illustrated crap the One posted lays it on so thick that it rings FALSE.

Folley isn't around to verify it.

That's the way media salesmen like it, quoting people who can't answer back.

Bob Woodward, a supposed 'paragon' of journalism, is known for falsely attributing "quotes' to people, over, and over, and over.

Woodward repeatedly quotes dead people, claiming they gave him quotes at a time when it is then found they were no longer alive.

Victor Lasky took one chapter of a Bob Woodward book, checked with all the people who were "quoted,"
and found several had died before the time Woodward said he got the "quote" from them, several others said they had never talked to Woodward, and several others said they had talked to Woodward and that he quoted them falsely.

The Folley "quote" from Sports Illustrated is so overdone that it REEKS.

But the One will swallow it whole.

Cayton and his partner Jimmy Jacobs spent hours on the phone with me (they had money and I didn't so if we went on for a while I asked if they would call me back, which they did)
going over the films and fighters they had films of.

As I wrote above, they both had utter contempt for the Liston-Ali fake knockout, and gleefully told me about the film they made laying out why that 'fight' was raw sewage.

Of course we spent most of our time talking about more worthwhile boxing.

Amazingly, Cayton did not know about the film cutter's machines, which enable you to run a film at any speed, or even stopped, frame by frame (24 frames a second).

They are prohibitively expensive, but I had access to them at certain libraries.
Cayton who was a millionaire many times over, certainly could have gotten one if he wanted to.


When it came out that Tyson had taken lithium and Thorazine in combination at the insistence of his TV actress wife (which effectively destroyed Tyson as a championship athlete) I called Cayton and went over how serious that was and what these drugs did to a person’s co-ordination, balance, perceptions, and reflexes. Cayton handled it the best he could by getting a psychiatrist to hold a press conference where he announced that he had examined Tyson, that Tyson was not mentally ill, and that he would not be taking any more of these ‘medicines.’

Once Don King drew Tyson away from Cayton by appealing to Tyson with his crap about the evil whites, I told Cayton that he should sue to get Tyson back, since Tyson had a legal contract with Cayton.

Cayton told me he thoguht that might alienate Tyson and that he was trying to coax Mike back instead in other ways.

I think he made a mistake.


When Tyson was on trial for the phony ‘rape,’ Cayton said to me,
“If I were handling Mike’s business, he never would have been indicted.”

Cayton made a terrible mistake leaving his and Jacobs' film collection to ESPN.
ESPN never shows the wonderful films they collected over a lifetime, instead running the same tired Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard crap repeatedly.

After all. who cares about Sam Langford, Jack Root, Joe Gans, etc etc etc.

While the One clutches his David Remnick and shilling Sports Illustrated crap to his chest he claims I never talked to Cayton.

The dream world the frantic Ali worshippers live in (if you can call that living) is disgusting.

BoxBuzz wrote:I just noticed that granberry has accused many of us here of "posting on boxing forums".

And then he goes on to imply that for just such acts, our credibility is permanently suspect.

granberry wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I just noticed that granberry has accused many of us here of "posting on boxing forums".

And then he goes on to imply that for just such acts, our credibility is permanently suspect.

buz, the One, grim, buz' boy collins, ifeelfine, and the rest of the boxrec Ali shill contingent

have never had any contact with boxing in any way
expect for their pathetic 'posting' on the internet about the subject they obviously have never had any contact with.

granberry wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I just noticed that granberry has accused many of us here of "posting on boxing forums".

And then he goes on to imply that for just such acts, our credibility is permanently suspect.

buz, the One, grim, buz' boy collins, ifeelfine, and the rest of the boxrec Ali shill contingent

have never had any contact with boxing in any way

expect for their pathetic 'posting' on the internet about the subject they obviously have never had any contact with.

Grimm wrote:

granberry wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I just noticed that granberry has accused many of us here of "posting on boxing forums".

And then he goes on to imply that for just such acts, our credibility is permanently suspect.

buz, the One, grim, buz' boy collins, ifeelfine, and the rest of the boxrec Ali shill contingent

have never had any contact with boxing in any way

expect for their pathetic 'posting' on the internet about the subject they obviously have never had any contact with.

granberry you have never boxed nor seen a boxing match.

You cannot possibly gain boxing knowledge by misconstruing and then reciting everything Bert Sugar says.

Hey, if you disagree with someone or feel that they are wrong about something just post that comicbook picture and talk about collins and the moderators.

Because in your world that seems to constitute making a point.

granberry wrote:The One will not answer my questions about the crap he posted from his beloved Ali shill magazine, Sports Illustrated.

My question was

Was there a NAME on the article?

What was that NAME?

WHO wrote the crap containing the supposed quote attributed to Folley?

Is there a NAME on it?


The world of the Ali shill is a gullible one.