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This is the single most biased post I've ever read on here. Gonzalez did nothing for four rounds. Looked like someone has been telling him he's the business and just had to step in the ring to win. Ancliff won out of sight.[/quote]

I have watched the fight twice now and Ancliff didn't nothing impressive to win that fight Gonzalez out boxed him and boxed the right fight.
Ancliff was falling onto Gonzales punches for three rounds, Gonzalez was countering him perfect and was to fast for him all Ancliff could do was grab and hold and spoil the fight.

jonp wrote:Thanks Howard i like to think we got a good performance out of you that night considering you were ouweighed by about 5 stone and the away guy.

Yeah lost by 2 points. He was a big u'n. I think they guessed his weight because the scales kept going up to about 265lb then reading error See you at another show soon mate

I am another who saw Ancliff as the winner and didn't have to think twice about it. For the people supporting Gonzalez if it was such a bad decision than why are so many neutral observers scoring the fight for Ancliff? I have no connection with either fighter and have no reason give preference to one over the other, but I still see Ancliff as the clear winner.

crusader wrote:I am another who saw Ancliff as the winner and didn't have to think twice about it. For the people supporting Gonzalez if it was such a bad decision than why are so many neutral observers scoring the fight for Ancliff? I have no connection with either fighter and have no reason give preference to one over the other, but I still see Ancliff as the clear winner.

i think people are trying to find out how he won that fight, not just ancliff won or won clearly, dont say landed the more cleaner shots cos the video just wont back that up, so why?

Just leave it Jon.You know who's opinion people on here respect

Right. 'bulldog10' and 'pro boxer to be'. Come out from behind your pseudonyms and tell us who you are, if you know young Gonzalez, etc.

I will confess in tight rounds I do reward the boxer who is more aggressive or trying to do more work, etc. Maybe I shouldn't. Even if I didn't I think Ancliff still won out of sight. The good thing is, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I watch literally hundreds and hundreds of fights from a few feet away and have done for a long, long time. It's part of my job not to be biased and I don't know either kid.

I'll tell you this - if he boxes any more four or six rounders in that fashion against a trier - scrappy or not - he'll lose a lot of them.

Pro boxer to be wrote:

crusader wrote:I am another who saw Ancliff as the winner and didn't have to think twice about it. For the people supporting Gonzalez if it was such a bad decision than why are so many neutral observers scoring the fight for Ancliff? I have no connection with either fighter and have no reason give preference to one over the other, but I still see Ancliff as the clear winner.

i think people are trying to find out how he won that fight, not just ancliff won or won clearly, dont say landed the more cleaner shots cos the video just wont back that up, so why?

i saw ancliff as the winner he may have landed more shots as you say, i didnt count so i dont know but his body language throughout the fight made me think he lost

didnt think anyone watched the fight everyone was to busy with the mexican wave

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Right. 'bulldog10' and 'pro boxer to be'. Come out from behind your pseudonyms and tell us who you are, if you know young Gonzalez, etc.

I will confess in tight rounds I do reward the boxer who is more aggressive or trying to do more work, etc. Maybe I shouldn't. Even if I didn't I think Ancliff still won out of sight. The good thing is, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I watch literally hundreds and hundreds of fights from a few feet away and have done for a long, long time. It's part of my job not to be biased and I don't know either kid.

I'll tell you this - if he boxes any more four or six rounders in that fashion against a trier - scrappy or not - he'll lose a lot of them.

ok your right, boxing, making someone miss, blocking shots clearly jabs straight rights, as against hold slap back of head, keep rushing working hard , now Gonzalez knows forget his skills thinking, just rush it out, boxing if looking up if that's the way to win over a boxer cleanly landing, if anyone on here see ancliff landing more cleaner shots, especially on the inside, from the 3 rounds on YouTube you don't know what your looking at. Work harder your saying forget ability, someone posted haye valuev haye thrw about 3-4 punches a round to win cos he made valuev miss even though valuev pressed and worked hard without reward ( dnt tell me slapping the back of head is reward for hard work ) haye did what he needed to make it cleaner work and not scrappy , 4 rounds or 12 don't mean anything Gonzalez boxed him thinking making him miss, you'll ruin a young lad with controll like that , your wrong mate totally , I know that's blunt but I beleive as mentioned most people wernt really paying attention the Mexican wave etc but watch the video and tell me you don't see Gonzalez more measured and landing steadily throughout clean hit and not get hit is boxing

i agree, gonzalez didnt get hit with any punch clean, he landed a couple cleaner shots, remember this is pro boxing, gonzalez controlled the fight, had much better ring generalship, landed cleaner more intelligent shots, from what i see wasnt pressured anytime, he was in control. a good try from ancliff but i really dont see how he wins this fight! gonzalez hometown, boxed and moved nicely with good defensive skills, one winner in my eyes! anyways, isnt this how floyd mayweather wins most his fights?!?! with great defensive skills throwing very few but accurate shots....

OK. I'll ask again. Who are you and do you know young Gonzalez? I have a very strong feeling that you do and you're p'd off about your mate getting done. I'm not saying that ruins your argument - I just think your loyalty might be colouring your judgement a little.

Even if I accepted many of your points, a lot of which have merit generally rather than in this particular case, answer me this too...do you REALLY think the young man WORKED HARD?

da prince wrote:i agree, gonzalez didnt get hit with any punch clean, he landed a couple cleaner shots, remember this is pro boxing, gonzalez controlled the fight, had much better ring generalship, landed cleaner more intelligent shots, from what i see wasnt pressured anytime, he was in control. a good try from ancliff but i really dont see how he wins this fight! gonzalez hometown, boxed and moved nicely with good defensive skills, one winner in my eyes! anyways, isnt this how floyd mayweather wins most his fights?!?! with great defensive skills throwing very few but accurate shots....

someone else who obviously know what he's looking at, I'm really baffled as to how people can't see him falling short , gozalez must feel real down he can fiht much better granted but because he didn't look himself it's not good enough , a bad night office but still had the brain/ skill to keep controll and at times make ancliff fall off balNce . I can't see how he looses really can't and as rhino said in an earlier post he had Gonzalez winning , watch the fight and what's really happening in thief

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:OK. I'll ask again. Who are you and do you know young Gonzalez? I have a very strong feeling that you do and you're p'd off about your mate getting done. I'm not saying that ruins your argument - I just think your loyalty might be colouring your judgement a little.

Even if I accepted many of your points, a lot of which have merit generally rather than in this particular case, answer me this too...do you REALLY think the young man WORKED HARD?

Come on Ian, "work hard" isn't the criteria for winning rounds. Ancliff was the more aggressive and without doubt worked harder - but was it really effective aggression. Gonzalez threw less shots but was classier and more accurate, he was almost the matador to the bull. Scoring is subjective and as I have already said, I thought it was a draw but can understand that Team Beard are annoyed and upset by the decision.

Lets see a rematch, I bet Adrian wouldn't be so casual the next time.

I never saw the bout,but is this going to be hyped into the next biggest rematch since Fury-McDermott?

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:OK. I'll ask again. Who are you and do you know young Gonzalez? I have a very strong feeling that you do and you're p'd off about your mate getting done. I'm not saying that ruins your argument - I just think your loyalty might be colouring your judgement a little.

Even if I accepted many of your points, a lot of which have merit generally rather than in this particular case, answer me this too...do you REALLY think the young man WORKED HARD?

Come on Ian, "work hard" isn't the criteria for winning rounds. Ancliff was the more aggressive and without doubt worked harder - but was it really effective aggression. Gonzalez threw less shots but was classier and more accurate, he was almost the matador to the bull. Scoring is subjective and as I have already said, I thought it was a draw but can understand that Team Beard are annoyed and upset by the decision.

Lets see a rematch, I bet Adrian wouldn't be so casual the next time.

You're misunderstanding me. In one of his recent posts bulldog mentioned the lad worked hard. He didn't. I just raised this as it seemed to have absolutely no merit. Even you're saying he was 'casual'!

Actually, I've misread the chap's post - he was referring to something else. They're sometimes a little tricky to decipher at speed.

I think I might draw a line under this now. 8)

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Actually, I've misread the chap's post - he was referring to something else. They're sometimes a little tricky to decipher at speed.

I think I might draw a line under this now. 8)

Am I getting lumped in with Team Beard now? Ah well, no bad thing I suppose - good guys and obviously passionate judging by the number of new people that have signed up just to comment on this thread.

'Causal' aint necessarily a bad thing in my book and whilst Gonzalez may have been casual he was also measured, comfortable and calculated - however I think that there might have been a degree of compliancy as well.

My last post on this topic I think, but like I said - lets see a rematch.

Any chance of getting round 1 uploaded slapbang ! Gonzalez will be awarded the bout by the end of the evening ! (not that i'm biased...!)

mickey1975 wrote:I never saw the bout,but is this going to be hyped into the next biggest rematch since Fury-McDermott?

youtube, adrian Gonzalez vs James ancliff, rounds 2-3-4, waiting for round 1 still!!!!

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Actually, I've misread the chap's post - he was referring to something else. They're sometimes a little tricky to decipher at speed.

I think I might draw a line under this now. 8)

thank god, didnt work hard, joke! You know your wrong he won and been screwed end of from me if I were Adrian I wouldn't listen to crap about to casual/ working hard just do what does cos he class and shte won cos of hard work cya

after watching the fight on youtube i think gonzalez just has to take it like a man an come back stronger,put it down 2 a bad day at the office!!!!!

is round one going up!

da prince wrote:i agree, gonzalez didnt get hit with any punch clean, he landed a couple cleaner shots, remember this is pro boxing, gonzalez controlled the fight, had much better ring generalship, landed cleaner more intelligent shots, from what i see wasnt pressured anytime, he was in control. a good try from ancliff but i really dont see how he wins this fight! gonzalez hometown, boxed and moved nicely with good defensive skills, one winner in my eyes! anyways, isnt this how floyd mayweather wins most his fights?!?! with great defensive skills throwing very few but accurate shots....

Youd think you was related or something lol

jonp wrote:

da prince wrote:i agree, gonzalez didnt get hit with any punch clean, he landed a couple cleaner shots, remember this is pro boxing, gonzalez controlled the fight, had much better ring generalship, landed cleaner more intelligent shots, from what i see wasnt pressured anytime, he was in control. a good try from ancliff but i really dont see how he wins this fight! gonzalez hometown, boxed and moved nicely with good defensive skills, one winner in my eyes! anyways, isnt this how floyd mayweather wins most his fights?!?! with great defensive skills throwing very few but accurate shots....

Youd think you was related or something lol

what dont you agree with from the statement, theres no hard work in there! you still havent said why ancliff won just, weve establised hard work alone dont win a fight so ? as mention haye valuev, haye didnt work his ass off he CONTROLLED the fight and looked nice and casual throughout, even in germany, i remember robin reid fight sven and worked his ass of droping him along the way came away with L', did you think haye lost in germany as a result of not throwing enough or working hard enough pressing the fight trying to rip the title away,

i think haye won cos he landed the clener shots and controlled thongs behind good defence making valuev fall short missing,. similar to adrian but control making him miss all the time, good defence

This is really boring now.

People aren't going to agree, leave it at that.