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rhino222 wrote:small talks as if its the soldiers fault...... soldiers do as they are told, they dont really want to be over there, they are following orders and doing their job to pay their bills and morgages.

small should do as he is told, and get a life.

i wonder how danny williams feels...he is a muslim and a lovely man.
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I've never heard Danny say anything on the subject as far as I know. He keeps himself to himself, and is probably enjoying retirement these days!

hurlock wrote:enough of you now

your full of questions & queries, but no answer's & solutions.your like my 5year old nephew :!: why,why, why


i call small,smell now because he stink's.

You suggested that extremist groups are very intellectual.

I would rather be the one asking how that was so, than the one making that comment.

let him speak his mind.
fornicate The Sun.
Propogandistic bullshit.

Spud wrote: yes of course people have a right to express their views but it also means I have a right to disagree with them.

People might agree or disagree with your views, thats all good discussion.

The issue is when people deny others the right to express those opinions, with absurd suggestions such as "If you don't like it, leave the country" etc.

Spud wrote:

DIRT SUGAR wrote:Muhammad Ali stood up for his religious beliefs and refused to take the draft and in the became a hero for it, so why should Small be any different if he believes thewar is wrong and he is, as he puts it, just standing up for his fellow muslims dying around the world?

We live in a democracy and if he wants to stand on a street corner voicing his displeasure then let him. Those of us against the war were were allowed to march freely through the streets of London voicingour grievance too. Last time I looked it wasn't against the law!

I havnt stated its against the law - it seems you and others are trying desperately to drum up some sort of controversy here in your desperate attempts to validate Smalls views - yes he has a right to express them, yes he has the right to demonstrate against our armed forces and government - but my post in this thread was designed to show you how much he has changed with regards to how contradictory his views have become regarding our Armed Forces - yes he has a right to change his opinion as I do often enough - but to change those viewpoints so radically in such a relative short space of time is alarming to say the very least.

My post wasn't an answer to yours Spud otherwise I would have said, and i don't come on here to 'desperately' drum up anything.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

tonyevs wrote: using Ali`s stance against vietnam war is a bit of a red herring

Ali`s main reason for not going was the money he would potentially lose. There was as much chance of Ali being sent to the front line as it was him flying fighter jet planes ...

He is on interviews arguing his case to stay out of the army, stating the money his fights would generate would buy plenty bombs to drop on the viet cong ... its all there to be archived if anybody can be bothered.

He just built upon the gullible publics view that it was about him `having no quarrel with the viet-cong` as he realised it would keep him in the public eye so too make him a comfortable living also..

So for Small to try to hide behind this ... ... just shows he is an even bigger idiot than he has already shown himself to be


As for our boys fighting for queen and country or the money ... truth is their fighting for their mates out there with them.

I have read everything about Muhammad Ali - and I have never read anywhere that his stance on Vietnam or being a muslim was anything but genuine. I am a bit thick so could you show me these links (from the man himself - not some two bob 'biographer' or one of his grabbing sidekicks) where Ali said he refused the draft for monetary reasons..

Thats the great thing about reading books on famous people ... things always seem to get distorted or simply forgotten ;;-) There are book that say Ali threw his Olympic medal into the river in disgust ... then there is the interview with his father that said Ali had the medal for many many years and actually wore the gold plating off it because he handled it so much over the years ...

There was an Ali bio on one of the Sky channels some time ago .. it has no doubt been repeated many times before and since .. where Ali says what I have wrote .. maybe not word for word .. but to the same meaning.

As said. If you take the time to look for it, you will find it. Books don`t really compare to the persons actual spoken words my friend..

terrdilk wrote:

Horse wrote:

rhino222 wrote:small talks as if its the soldiers fault...... soldiers do as they are told, they dont really want to be over there, they are following orders and doing their job to pay their bills and morgages.

How does accepting money for it and doing as they are told make it not their fault?

rhino222 wrote:lets hear from the likes of maloney, hennessey, haye, khan...etc etc

lets all grow some kahunas and tell small exactly what a prize prick he is being, the promoters should all disown him !!

How does having a go at Small show "Kahunas"? What does anyone lose/risk by doing so?

Horse you are talking out if your arse either way I now alot of people in the army who don't agree with the war put still have to go no matter weather they get payed or not odders come from tthe top and the lads have to do it like it or not! Us there not going around randomly killing people there are rules of engagement meaning they can not open fire unless fired upon fact

i seved on telic i9 and herrick 10 wat a pudendum he is the bastard ive sent him a message on facebook telling him wat i think of him the twat

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If the Links dont work i'm not up on this sort of thing

Name&Shame Boxer Anthony Small For Protesting Against British Troops Group

Horse wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:Look, we know why we are there, for what is underground. I have no problem with that, as it will benefit me and future generations of my family. Our soldiers are dieing for our future, and our freedom. What the fcuk will we do when we have no oil etc in the future? We will be fcuked. So lets get control, and look after No.1

We won't be f***ed without oil, we will just have to use more expensive alternatives.

How are the soldiers fighting/dying for our freedom?

carlbcfc wrote:What ever reason we are there, we still have an enemy that presents a danger at home.

Who is that?

err dear chap without oil you are fucked.

the oil out the ground doesnt just go to gasoline dear chap. thats a small proportion of a barrel, nearly everything you own or see has an element of oil in it or oil or its by products are involved in its manufacture. Bin bags for example. Many plastics are oil derivitives. That aside from the heating, electricity, industry that falls flat on its arse with no oil. Trust me MOGAS (as it is known petrol as you know it) isnt even 6% of the oil industrys market.

This aside the world economy goes tits up witout oil. And trust me that will make the last recession look like a fornicating day at the beach.

you need to clue up.

J - does oil make up all those fffing rums you drink???



Did you manage the 20/20 final???

Kevin

The funny thing with these politicians is that they come out with all this bullshit about "making the world a safer place" to justify their wars for natural resources when infact they could come out and say "Right we are in the middle east to secure valuable natural resources so that you can continue to live the way you do otherwise if we don't then we'll all be living in mud huts with none of the luxury you see today and next we'll be moving on to South America" and I guarantee you that they would get a lot more support from the general public than with this "We're clearing the world of terrorists" "We're giving these poor people a chance of democracy" blah blah blah.

tonyevs wrote:
Thats the great thing about reading books on famous people ... things always seem to get distorted or simply forgotten ;;-) There are book that say Ali threw his Olympic medal into the river in disgust ... then there is the interview with his father that said Ali had the medal for many many years and actually wore the gold plating off it because he handled it so much over the years ...

There was an Ali bio on one of the Sky channels some time ago .. it has no doubt been repeated many times before and since .. where Ali says what I have wrote .. maybe not word for word .. but to the same meaning.

As said. If you take the time to look for it, you will find it. Books don`t really compare to the persons actual spoken words my friend..

Never read or heard anything where Ali says anything other than his convictions about Vietnam and Islam were genuine. If I have to 'take time' to find what he said on something that was a pivotal role in shaping his career and him as a person - I am sure I would have come across it by now or it would be that bit easier to find - anyhow - if I do come across it - I will comeback on here and stand corrected.

banjo wrote:The funny thing with these politicians is that they come out with all this bullshit about "making the world a safer place" to justify their wars for natural resources when infact they could come out and say "Right we are in the middle east to secure valuable natural resources so that you can continue to live the way you do otherwise if we don't then we'll all be living in mud huts with none of the luxury you see today and next we'll be moving on to South America" and I guarantee you that they would get a lot more support from the general public than with this "We're clearing the world of terrorists" "We're giving these poor people a chance of democracy" blah blah blah.

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you say to these wishy washy types they have to rashion out of tins & cant eat organic they would barry white themselfs :!:

i agree, but asking a politician to be honest is like asking a nun for a nosh off DD

all the immigrants & refugees are our debt & people dont realise this :!: .there's certainly no humanity in bombing area's where there are women & babies.

J wrote:err dear chap without oil you are fucked.

It depends on one's definition of f***ed.

J wrote:the oil out the ground doesnt just go to gasoline dear chap. thats a small proportion of a barrel, nearly everything you own or see has an element of oil in it or oil or its by products are involved in its manufacture. Bin bags for example. Many plastics are oil derivitives. That aside from the heating, electricity, industry that falls flat on its arse with no oil. Trust me MOGAS (as it is known petrol as you know it) isnt even 6% of the oil industrys market.

Can these things not be made of something else?

J wrote:This aside the world economy goes tits up witout oil. And trust me that will make the last recession look like a effing day at the beach.

you need to clue up.

Are we all going to die?

hurlock wrote:all the immigrants & refugees are our debt & people dont realise this :!:

What do you mean?

..and to think he was such a popular fighter before all of this.

Horse wrote:

J wrote:err dear chap without oil you are fucked.

It depends on one's definition of f***ed.

J wrote:the oil out the ground doesnt just go to gasoline dear chap. thats a small proportion of a barrel, nearly everything you own or see has an element of oil in it or oil or its by products are involved in its manufacture. Bin bags for example. Many plastics are oil derivitives. That aside from the heating, electricity, industry that falls flat on its arse with no oil. Trust me MOGAS (as it is known petrol as you know it) isnt even 6% of the oil industrys market.

Can these things not be made of something else?

J wrote:This aside the world economy goes tits up witout oil. And trust me that will make the last recession look like a effing day at the beach.

you need to clue up.

Are we all going to die?

I think that if the transition isn't handled well, you can be sure plenty of people will die, look how many have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. it will only get worse if everyone is fighting for resources.

in answer to the questions (wrists ill come to you last mate)

HORSE, FUCKED = COLD STARVING AND DYING ...
yes they probably can be made by different in the same way you all have electric cars right? What you dont? Why is that then?
More expensive, not as good and generally makes life more difficult.

Until the end consumer does something about energy nothing will change.

Will we all die? Probably not our generation but unless something is done soon you can pretty much expect mad max ii to become reality one day.

Do you know who the biggest investors in renewable fuels are? Oil companies..that says enough doesnt it...I know i work for one.

Wrists yes mate all the super 8 games and the final..i was rude and obnoxious to our antipodean cousins for which I offer no apology..."Dame edna everidge, Rolf Harris, Stevie Irwin, Skippy the fackin kangaroo your boys took a hell of a beating"

that got me about 75 programmes from the aussie contingent at the back.

Horse wrote:

hurlock wrote:all the immigrants & refugees are our debt & people dont realise this :!:

What do you mean?

what do you think i mean??

hurlock wrote:what do you think i mean??

I don't know.

well say if the council want to build a precinct exactly were you live,they will rehome you.
britain is the land of opportunity to many.

Nightmare Roy wrote:..and to think he was such a popular fighter before all of this.

I just thought he was shiite!

thats quite enough of that sunni jim!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:thats quite enough of that sunni jim!

Stop talking shi'ite.

Come and vote boys

Were pillaging the world for oil. Do you give a feck?

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