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slapbangwhallop wrote: I think I understand your position now - basically if they consider themselves Irish and hold an Irish passport but took out a British passport as well just so they could fight for the British title and advance their careers then that makes them automatically primarily British in perpetuity even if they continue to say they are Irish. Is that right?

I wouldn't agree with that position but at least I understand where you are coming from.

Also you haven't really given an answer to question B.

I said "B. Do you have to produce a British passport to be eligible to fight for the British title? I don't know. I know that to fight for an Irish title you have to produce evidence that you are entitled to an Irish passport but not an Irish passport itself."

You countered by saying Oboh and Bayaar could only fight for the British title when they got British citizenship. But that isn't the question - McCloskey is entitled to British citizenship by being born in Northern Ireland but may not have taken it out.

mickey1975 wrote:Basically,if you dont regard yourself as British,dont fight for the British Title.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote: I think I understand your position now - basically if they consider themselves Irish and hold an Irish passport but took out a British passport as well just so they could fight for the British title and advance their careers then that makes them automatically primarily British in perpetuity even if they continue to say they are Irish. Is that right?

I wouldn't agree with that position but at least I understand where you are coming from.

Also you haven't really given an answer to question B.

I said "B. Do you have to produce a British passport to be eligible to fight for the British title? I don't know. I know that to fight for an Irish title you have to produce evidence that you are entitled to an Irish passport but not an Irish passport itself."

You countered by saying Oboh and Bayaar could only fight for the British title when they got British citizenship. But that isn't the question - McCloskey is entitled to British citizenship by being born in Northern Ireland but may not have taken it out.

This happens a lot in football - Chris Birchall spent an interview stating how he was a proud Englishman and England comes first in his heart even though he plays for Trinidad and Tobago. Of couurse he is English but for footballing record purposes he is certainly a Trinidadian. With the sportspeople of Northern Ireland - as you know with the GFA agreement - becoming a British (or an Irish) citizen is a concious decision - now if McCloskey fights and wins the British title, he can't start complaining about being classified as British. If any fighter - even if they were born next door to me - fights for IBU title and considers themselves Irish then they are getting no argument off me about how they see themselves but if McCloskey won the British title for monertary reasons and to further his career and nothing else then gets upset about being classed as British in boxing terms then he deserves litttle sympathy off me. But in the grand scheme of things - it can't be argued about what he is and where he comes from.

banjo wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Basically,if you dont regard yourself as British,dont fight for the British Title.

That's a bit odd, next time I'm at Oulton Park I'm going to make a banner saying "Ryuichi Kiyonari Is British"



Which as you can see ^ he clearly ain't British but he's a British champion 2 times. :bag:

DavidPayne wrote:

banjo wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Basically,if you dont regard yourself as British,dont fight for the British Title.

That's a bit odd, next time I'm at Oulton Park I'm going to make a banner saying "Ryuichi Kiyonari Is British"



Which as you can see ^ he clearly ain't British but he's a British champion 2 times.

What about this picture stops him being British then? Because he's smiling?

King Geedorah wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:

banjo wrote: That's a bit odd, next time I'm at Oulton Park I'm going to make a banner saying "Ryuichi Kiyonari Is British"



Which as you can see ^ he clearly ain't British but he's a British champion 2 times.

What about this picture stops him being British then? Because he's smiling?

Nah, he can't be British because he's consistently winning. Though if he slips to whining, well you do the math. If he start whinnying then he's neigh-ly there, he'll be close to HORSE.

bad mamma jamma wrote:this is a good example of why the troubles over there have gone on for so long..and also why there are problems all over the world..does it fkin matter what country anybody is from? i couldnt give a sht if I was a boxer and they put me down as irish when i am not..i don't care..and maybe if there were more people in the world who did not have chips on their shoulders relating to nationality and religion we would have a more peaceful place?

we all eat, piss and sht..we all bleed when cut..we all end up dead...fer fks sake grow up

King Geedorah wrote: 'Hijack' as a verbal form of subconscious confession. Are you by any chance a member of the British police force sent from the 1980s to fit people up for the most spurious of reasons? If so, you'll never take me alive, cobber.

No? Ah, psychology now, is it. I know a guy who is a psychologist. I asked him how he got into that line of work and if it is tough to get qualified. He said, "Nah, the entrance level test is to merely log into a forum, read a few posts and then start doing a bit of cod-analysis. Never refer to it as 'analysis', though, because most users will assume that you are asking for gay sex."

We can all assume certain things. For instance that some people's insistence of living their lives in under neat little labels is a bit suspect and suggests a lack of personal development. Not me. You're a decent enough chap, Leonard and I'm sure that Lirva, who I presume is the OP, is too.

As for national identity, tricky, isn't it. For instance, whenever I put on my German Army jacket I feel the overwhelming need to carpet bomb the local industrial estate. I don't have any bombs so I resort to poohing in front of these sheet metal buildings whilst yelling, "Ach tung Hasselhoff!". Last time out a very vexed call centre worker popped his head out off the window and yelled, 'Oi, geezah, what's yer game' and I was immediately thrown into confusion by the fact he had a London accident. Next thing I knew I was in the local train station demanding, 'A train back to Manchester', a request that fell on deaf ears. and which led to my arrest and sectioning as per the mental health act.

However, I digress. I am with David Hume on this issue. He said that national stereotypes are fundamental to understanding, and laughing at, the world but defining yourself by them is an act of sheer lunacy.

Fingalar, isn't that the codename for finger raping a Scouser?!

Fingalar wrote:

bad mamma jamma wrote:this is a good example of why the troubles over there have gone on for so long..and also why there are problems all over the world..does it fkin matter what country anybody is from? i couldnt give a sht if I was a boxer and they put me down as irish when i am not..i don't care..and maybe if there were more people in the world who did not have chips on their shoulders relating to nationality and religion we would have a more peaceful place?

we all eat, piss and sht..we all bleed when cut..we all end up dead...fer fks sake grow up

Yeah but no-one ever calls a British person Irish ever. It's only Irish people who are almost forced to say they are British when they are not.

slapbangwhallop wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Basically,if you dont regard yourself as British,dont fight for the British Title.

so if you dont regard yourself as European you shouldnt fight for the European title either eh?

slapbangwhallop wrote:

bad mamma jamma wrote:this is a good example of why the troubles over there have gone on for so long..and also why there are problems all over the world..does it fkin matter what country anybody is from? i couldnt give a sht if I was a boxer and they put me down as irish when i am not..i don't care..and maybe if there were more people in the world who did not have chips on their shoulders relating to nationality and religion we would have a more peaceful place?

we all eat, piss and sht..we all bleed when cut..we all end up dead...fer fks sake grow up

that is truly beautiful. I endorse this sentiment.

Why not do away with the having the "nationality" field altogether then, eh? oh wait.........

wouldnt it be more grown up and a sign that everyone respected each others nationalities if we didnt shoehorn all fighters under the one umbrella of British?

Nothing against British - its just not all fighters from the north are.

mickey1975 wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Basically,if you dont regard yourself as British,dont fight for the British Title.

so if you dont regard yourself as European you shouldnt fight for the European title either eh?

Well,im English and am comfortable with England being part of Europe.If i felt strongly against this i wouldnt dream of contesting their title.

bad mamma jamma wrote:

Fingalar wrote:

bad mamma jamma wrote:this is a good example of why the troubles over there have gone on for so long..and also why there are problems all over the world..does it fkin matter what country anybody is from? i couldnt give a sht if I was a boxer and they put me down as irish when i am not..i don't care..and maybe if there were more people in the world who did not have chips on their shoulders relating to nationality and religion we would have a more peaceful place?

we all eat, piss and sht..we all bleed when cut..we all end up dead...fer fks sake grow up

Yeah but no-one ever calls a British person Irish ever. It's only Irish people who are almost forced to say they are British when they are not.

true, i accept what you say..but you surely understand that as Paul is from NI then he is classed as British - Irish, not just Irish. Internationally he is regarded as British and not Irish. I am not saying that is right but it is what it is unfortunately.

J wrote:stirring up shite again Slap bang what a shock

Remember my comments bout playing the vicitm etc there you go again...

Anyway realyl who guives shite....

there are more important questions to ask Paul Mc, like why wasnt he even the best beatle and did he make heather take her leg off when he shagged her.....

J wrote:lol im not mixed up mate well maybe a little but not about this...just seems everytime i come on here there is some irish agenda going on with you at the heart of it......which to be honest is getting more than boring as feck!

ps father ted is great...there see i do like the irish

lighten up dude life is too short for such matters.

mickey1975 wrote:Basically,if you dont regard yourself as British,dont fight for the British Title.

Ted wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Basically,if you dont regard yourself as British,dont fight for the British Title.

Wonder what eamonn magee would think of this???

J wrote:isnt he inside? reckon he probably doesnt give a shite rite now.