Green Update

[dberry]

Mark Pawsey, are you having an affair with Anthony Mundine?

Na I just love geeing people up about him beating Green,because it really gets people going, when it comes to mundine and Green the only reason I still watch them fight, is because I work at a pub and i see the fights while I'm at work, no way would stay up late to watch them if I had to get up at am the next day

[Mark pawsey]

WBA belts are not worth that much now. How many times did Ruiz hold their heavyweight belt?

I think if your WBA champ you can call yourself a world champion, that doesnt include the interim title but

[oliverfennell]

WBA belts are not worth that much now. How many times did Ruiz hold their heavyweight belt?

I think if your WBA champ you can call yourself a world champion, that doesnt include the interim title but

Yeah Ruiz was interim for a while but later uograded. Green won the full WBA, though. The interim he had was WBC.

Some people call Green a "three-time world champion", but if, like most sane people, we disregard his WBC interim and his IBO, then that makes him a one-time champ.

Of course, nothing to be sniffed at, but it's just a bogus elevation of his credentials. He would have a much greater standing if he'd had a solid run as WBA champ after winning that belt. He's done well at cruiser, but the "3-time champ" hype aside, there have been valid criticisms about his matchmaking, the quality of his title, and his alleged "Dannyweight" campaign.

Would have been much better if he'd had a good 4-6 fight run as WBA lightheavy champ. Good belt, better oppo and no catchweights.

Again, I do like and rate Danny, but he would have earned a lot more respect internationally if he'd built on his WBA success.

[scottearley123456]

WBA belts are not worth that much now. How many times did Ruiz hold their heavyweight belt?

I think if your WBA champ you can call yourself a world champion, that doesnt include the interim title but

Yeah Ruiz was interim for a while but later uograded. Green won the full WBA, though. The interim he had was WBC.

Some people call Green a "three-time world champion", but if, like most sane people, we disregard his WBC interim and his IBO, then that makes him a one-time champ.

Of course, nothing to be sniffed at, but it's just a bogus elevation of his credentials. He would have a much greater standing if he'd had a solid run as WBA champ after winning that belt. He's done well at cruiser, but the "3-time champ" hype aside, there have been valid criticisms about his matchmaking, the quality of his title, and his alleged "Dannyweight" campaign.

Would have been much better if he'd had a good 4-6 fight run as WBA lightheavy champ. Good belt, better oppo and no catchweights.

Again, I do like and rate Danny, but he would have earned a lot more respect internationally if he'd built on his WBA success.

would have liked to see that too. and there would be no reason he couldnt still have done what he has done at cruiser too.

[Brute]

How many times did he win it against Holyfield? Roy Jones Junior was one of his conquerors while Roy was a Light Heavyweight.

they fought three times i think? Jones back then was something else. And its not uncommon for great LHW's to beat heavys. spinks beats holmes. Larry must have been a bum

...but Green beating a former WBA heavyweight champion (Jones) means nothing?

[thunderfromdownunder]

it means very little when you look at jones record over the past 5-6 years

[bollox]

Danny Green beat what was left of the shell of a once great fighter. Every man and his dog knows that

[Brute]

Danny Green beat what was left of the shell of a once great fighter. Every man and his dog knows that

..and yet all the know-alls claimed Jones would destroy him.

[dberry]

Danny Green beat what was left of the shell of a once great fighter. Every man and his dog knows that

..and yet all the know-alls claimed Jones would destroy him.

I've been watching this debate for some time and I've got to say I'm with Brute on this one, RJJ was favourite going in to this. I was the only one amongst my friends who thought Green had a chance. It is easy to say, in hindsight, that RJJ was a shell of his former self but the truth of the matter is that his chin had only really been tested few times before, and we all know the results, as he had spectacular evasive skills and hand/eye/foot coordination coupled with great reflexes that where obviously blunted with age and punishing his body moving up and down weight devisions.

[bollox]

In 2003 I watched John Ruiz land a good one square on Jones' chin and while it affected him it was nowhere near enough to stagger or stop him. Infact it did very little damage. 5 or 6 years later he's getting KO'd inside a round. I think that shows how much his punch resistance had gone downhill. His speed and reflexes had also gone. He was shot to pieces and in years to come people will be talking about Danny Green KOing Roy Jones in a round. But it means nothing because in Jones' prime Danny Green barely lays a glove on him

[oliverfennell]

In 2003 I watched John Ruiz land a good one square on Jones' chin and while it affected him it was nowhere near enough to stagger or stop him. Infact it did very little damage. 5 or 6 years later he's getting KO'd inside a round. I think that shows how much his punch resistance had gone downhill. His speed and reflexes had also gone. He was shot to pieces and in years to come people will be talking about Danny Green KOing Roy Jones in a round. But it means nothing because in Jones' prime Danny Green barely lays a glove on him

Of course, the prime RJJ would have trounced almost everybody. Nobody is claiming Green beat the best Jones. But there has definitely been revisionism after the win. Indeed, most people thought Jones would beat Green comfortably. Jones was also comfortably inside the world top 10 at LHW, if not top 5, at the time. And if the adage of only being as good as your last fight is true, he looked sensational against Lacy. And before anyone says it was "only" Jeff Lacy, I don't think there are many/any 30 or 20 year olds who would have looked so good against even that version of Lacy. Hell, Jones looked even better against Lacy than most 40-year-olds look on a heavy bag!

[Marlin]

Well said oliver. I also have to agree with you that a string of defenses of the WBA LHW belt would have been a better than the route he has taken. I am surprised however at the amount of flak he has taken recently, especially after bringing BJ Flores down here. And I don't care what anyone says, getting RJJ here was a major boost for Australian Boxing, it was just a pity about the result.

Yes the Briggs debacle was a farce and yes he deserved flak for that but in bringing BJ down he did keep his word that his next fight would be a good one. Other fighters that he is being compared to have constantly said they would step up the competition but never have, at least Green took a step in the right direction...

Lets wait to see what his next move actually is before we bag him too much.

[thunderfromdownunder]

i will agree that bringing jones down here was good for boxing, the fight got a load of coverage in all the papers, tv and so on.
as for revisionism, i dont think so, if people were picking jones i think that says more about thie opinions on green than it does about jones, and i guess people overseas mainly remember green as the guy who got outboxed by mundine and beyer.

my whole point here is there is and has always been double standard regarding green and mundine (and im no mundine fan) when mundine beats some scrub we here "he's only fighting bums" ect ect, when green KO's some bum its all "no one can give him a good fight" or "everybodys ducking him" which is total bullshit, everybody here knows if green and hyder wanted better guys than briggs and siaca they could have got them.
think of it this way...if it were mundine who beat someone like jones, he would have gotten absoloutley no credit from anyone, its true

[thunderfromdownunder]

Other fighters that he is being compared to have constantly said they would step up the competition but never have actually is before we bag him too much.

geale is better than flores and an old jones p4p wise. and maybe garth is better than alot of people gave him credit for

[Marlin]

But he would never fight someone like Jones... Even Green's poor opposition is better than Mundine's.

And mate Bookies are not dumb when it comes to setting odds, Jones was a massive favourite and that only happens when that is where the money is going, revisionism is exactly what it is.

[Marlin]

Other fighters that he is being compared to have constantly said they would step up the competition but never have actually is before we bag him too much.

geale is better than flores and an old jones p4p wise. and maybe garth is better than alot of people gave him credit for

Now you're just taking the piss

[thunderfromdownunder]

But he would never fight someone like Jones... Even Green's poor opposition is better than Mundine's.

And mate Bookies are not dumb when it comes to setting odds, Jones was a massive favourite and that only happens when that is where the money is going, revisionism is exactly what it is.

i dont know, they did install new south Wales as favorites in game one of origin last year and the average Joe casual fan didnt know Jones is shot. To them he's an American superman

[buster007]

all the boxing experts predicted that green would be lucky to land a punch over 12 rounds. jones would embarrass him.

boxers and ex-boxers said it was an easy win for jones etc. etc.

so yes many many people UNDERESTIMATED GREENS HUNGER. he is a much more capable fighter at light heavy upwards.

[Brute]

Other fighters that he is being compared to have constantly said they would step up the competition but never have actually is before we bag him too much.

geale is better than flores and an old jones p4p wise. and maybe garth is better than alot of people gave him credit for

But he is a middleweight.

[thunderfromdownunder]

i meant p4p

[thunderfromdownunder]

all the boxing experts predicted that green would be lucky to land a punch over 12 rounds. jones would embarrass him.

boxers and ex-boxers said it was an easy win for jones etc. etc.

so yes many many people UNDERESTIMATED GREENS HUNGER. he is a much more capable fighter at light heavy upwards.

i think most of them may have been overestimating Jones.

[thunderfromdownunder]

well i dont think anyones gonna give in here . Back to the title of the thread has there actually been any developments on the green front recently regarding an upcoming fight?

[amwsnw]

Nothing official yet but rumours circulating are late June/July and Tarver is being spoken of pretty loudly. I did hear something about a European. Wlodarczyk possibly (whether 2 sansctioning fees would be paid puts this fight in doubt).

[Mark pawsey]

These days none of the belts are worth anything unless they're the unified belt

At last count Ruiz held it about 12,675 times. And he was still crap in the big scheme of things

he may not have been the most entertaining fighter ever born . But i feel his is a bit underrated. He consistently faced tough competition, and managed to win a few as well. I mean if it was that easy to win a portion of the heavyweight title everyone would

Agreed. The WBA means a lot less now, but because of its self-inflicted super/ordinary/interim world title situation. During Ruiz's reigns, it meant a lot more, and also when Green won his WBA belt it meant a lot more than his IBO one does now.[/quote it's funny that you say that because when Green won the WBA belt, the best fighter in the division, was Tarver who only held the IBO belt, and the reason Green got the IBO cruiserweight title, is because the light heavy weight IBO champ at that time, was Chad Dawson, so if him or Jones had of fought him before they fought each other, they would ran the risk of loseing, and risked loseing the big payday against each other, so the fighters make the titles. It doesnt matter what title it is, it's what fighter has it, and what fighter is the best in the division, and that's open for debate who that might be.

[Brute]

Guillermo Jones is the current WBA Cruiserweight champion. They have an interim champion, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, a Cuban defector under German management who has not fought outside of Germany.