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Wrists wrote:Its a very good opinion piece whether you agree with the content or not.

Fair play I say

The Insider wrote:

Dan Dares wrote:I'm not saying he's corrupt.

What caused him to end a round at 2.18? When Enzo was well gone?

You tell us? You accept he's not corrupt, you've been told (and its been proven at the hearing) he was incompetent. If you know something we don't I'd love to hear it.

The Insider wrote:

The Insider wrote:

Dan Dares wrote:I'm not saying he's corrupt.

What caused him to end a round at 2.18? When Enzo was well gone?

You tell us? You accept he's not corrupt, you've been told (and its been proven at the hearing) he was incompetent. If you know something we don't I'd love to hear it.

Take it you don't know anything more then?

dondada wrote:

The Insider wrote:

The Insider wrote:
You tell us? You accept he's not corrupt, you've been told (and its been proven at the hearing) he was incompetent. If you know something we don't I'd love to hear it.

Take it you don't know anything more then?

Insider old chap, I think what Dan Dares wants - seeing as you know him so well - is the timekeeper's explanation for ringing the bell at that point. What has he told you?

The Insider wrote:The reason has already been cited in this thread and others a couple of times. A faulty stop watch was to blame.

IRLangmaid25 wrote:I watched the while back and I do feel because of the timekeeping screw up Shane McPhilbin was denied an opportunity to try and finish off Enzo Mac there and then in the first round because Enzo Mac was all over the joint because McPhilbin was landing the bigger shots trying to take him out in the early rounds, he gave it all it but but he did not get the break because of the time keeping screw which gave Enzo Mac time to get himself together again and get back into the fight and from which used his superior championship experience to grind out the points win. Do I feel Enzo Mac should hang them up, he has dished plenty of knockouts but he has also been on the wrong end of an awful such as David Haye at the O2 bill and Alexander Frenkel on the Magnificent 7 bill.

As for McPhilbin, do I feel he deserves a crack at the Lonsdale belt. Yes perhaps he should but I think should have an eliminator to earn it rather than be given a rematch on a platter.

clintonmcphilbin wrote:On two week holiday at min but upto when found out it was cancelled he was looking good. Had some top sparring and he said to he wanted to box him this time as he feels he go's for the ko to early in the last fight . Also it was the first time he hit is fighting weight well b4 the fight date. Hopefully he will be bk in the ring for Sept .

thepocketrocket wrote:Shane won the title in mid January when he wasn't fit (he had been called in at late notice)

About two months later he is fighting Enzo with drinking in between. These were both scheduled twelve round fights....these are facts (Rafa Benitez style)

Now I don't believe for a second his body was at 100%

Do I believe he was boozing during camp? No I don't.... Do I believe that he would have trained hard? Yes I do.

My issue comes with the fact, or opinion should I say, that conditioning is a long term project. You need to be a well oiled machine, a coiled spring.

Shane has never have the natural gifts that his contepararies have. So he needs to be the most well conditioned of them all to cover some of his natural deficiancies.

Having the common sense to actually stop drinking during camp isn't going to give you that edge, certainly not him. He will still be fitter than all of us on here, I am not calling him a drunken bum...but at this level he has looked knackered for 19 of his 24 championship rounds and I believe there are things he can do to improve that. Not being a big drinker tops the list.

All respect to Shane for stepping into the ring ( I refuse to postcript any article with that, it's a gimme0 but i think Shane has more in his locker.

And if he wants to win that title, invite me to the pub and tell me to feck off he is welcome!

thepocketrocket wrote:

clintonmcphilbin wrote:On two week holiday at min but upto when found out it was cancelled he was looking good. Had some top sparring and he said to he wanted to box him this time as he feels he go's for the ko to early in the last fight . Also it was the first time he hit is fighting weight well b4 the fight date. Hopefully he will be bk in the ring for Sept .

Nice one. I think anyone who thought my piece was 'anti Shane' is incorrect. I remember getting emotional myself when he beat Williams and he mentioned his Dad. I was going crazy when he floored Enzo. It was the 'win, lose we are on the booze' mentality (or public persona) that annoyed me.

His interviews and attitude in the weeks after the fight seem to show a change (hence no surprise at your post)

Good luck to him, I mean that.

danconnollyeire wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:Shane won the title in mid January when he wasn't fit (he had been called in at late notice)

About two months later he is fighting Enzo with drinking in between. These were both scheduled twelve round fights....these are facts (Rafa Benitez style)

Now I don't believe for a second his body was at 100%

Do I believe he was boozing during camp? No I don't.... Do I believe that he would have trained hard? Yes I do.

My issue comes with the fact, or opinion should I say, that conditioning is a long term project. You need to be a well oiled machine, a coiled spring.

Shane has never have the natural gifts that his contepararies have. So he needs to be the most well conditioned of them all to cover some of his natural deficiancies.

Having the common sense to actually stop drinking during camp isn't going to give you that edge, certainly not him. He will still be fitter than all of us on here, I am not calling him a drunken bum...but at this level he has looked knackered for 19 of his 24 championship rounds and I believe there are things he can do to improve that. Not being a big drinker tops the list.

All respect to Shane for stepping into the ring ( I refuse to postcript any article with that, it's a gimme0 but i think Shane has more in his locker.

And if he wants to win that title, invite me to the pub and tell me to feck off he is welcome!

I'll quite happily tell you to 'feck' off and you would

I go on bloody 20 days benders you think that makes me any less of a warrior?

When I stepped in a ring, licenced or unlicenced, to provide for my family does any of that matter? NO. I have such a will to win...

I'm Irish, brought up like Shane. He's a decent fella that graciously took the loss. People say a lot about Chisora but he was gracious against Helenus. He's a real man unlike yourself, a true Celtic warrior. He may not have all the tools but his 'warrior spirit' has got him to where he is right now.

Again... I'll quite happily invite you to any pub in East London and tell you to 'feck' off and you would... period!

thepocketrocket wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:Shane won the title in mid January when he wasn't fit (he had been called in at late notice)

About two months later he is fighting Enzo with drinking in between. These were both scheduled twelve round fights....these are facts (Rafa Benitez style)

Now I don't believe for a second his body was at 100%

Do I believe he was boozing during camp? No I don't.... Do I believe that he would have trained hard? Yes I do.

My issue comes with the fact, or opinion should I say, that conditioning is a long term project. You need to be a well oiled machine, a coiled spring.

Shane has never have the natural gifts that his contepararies have. So he needs to be the most well conditioned of them all to cover some of his natural deficiancies.

Having the common sense to actually stop drinking during camp isn't going to give you that edge, certainly not him. He will still be fitter than all of us on here, I am not calling him a drunken bum...but at this level he has looked knackered for 19 of his 24 championship rounds and I believe there are things he can do to improve that. Not being a big drinker tops the list.

All respect to Shane for stepping into the ring ( I refuse to postcript any article with that, it's a gimme0 but i think Shane has more in his locker.

And if he wants to win that title, invite me to the pub and tell me to feck off he is welcome!

I'll quite happily tell you to 'feck' off and you would

I go on bloody 20 days benders you think that makes me any less of a warrior?

When I stepped in a ring, licenced or unlicenced, to provide for my family does any of that matter? NO. I have such a will to win...

I'm Irish, brought up like Shane. He's a decent fella that graciously took the loss. People say a lot about Chisora but he was gracious against Helenus. He's a real man unlike yourself, a true Celtic warrior. He may not have all the tools but his 'warrior spirit' has got him to where he is right now.

Again... I'll quite happily invite you to any pub in East London and tell you to 'feck' off and you would... period!

Are you the biggest moron ever to grace the forum??? Seriously. If you fail to see that not living the life 100% can have a negative effect on someones career, especially at elite title level when people are looking for that edge you are beyond all hope.

You are obviously a very scary man..you have me quaking. Hopefully you will have had too many 20 day benders by the time I see you and you will look like Bart Simpson

clintonmcphilbin wrote:Shane boxers to win he would of not lost nearly 4 stone if he did not want to do something. As said in interview after the Williams fight is dream was to win a British title and like most fighters who win the title he wants to keep going forward. I think ur comment was fair but like I said b4 he had a chest infection a week b4 and thats why he could breath after the 3rd round also is plan was to av enzo out in 4 which really in did but let's not go their again lol. One thing shane has took from the fight is that enzo did not outbox him fair enough he won the fight but there was no round where he was outboxed. Also let's not forget the fact shane only had two weeks notice for the Williams fight in is first 12 rounder then 8 weeks later he boxed a ex world champion in a VOLUNTARY defense that takes some doing .

thepocketrocket wrote:Actually I had plenty...you just probably haven't read the whole thing.

If all Shane is wanting to do is provide then great. He can just go on the piss, get a pay day then move on to his next pay day. Journeyman mentality but journeymen get paid well. I am talking about the British title, the holy grail for many fighters and to give yourself the best chance you have to be a well honed machine. Not someone who just sobers up for a training camp. But I have no wish to go over old ground

And Enzo 'juicing' is irrelevant to the whole argument (Though this could just be a cold remedy, let's be careful) The fact he gassed after three rounds is nothing to do with Enzo, unless Enzo slipped valium in his water.

danconnollyeire wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:Actually I had plenty...you just probably haven't read the whole thing.

If all Shane is wanting to do is provide then great. He can just go on the piss, get a pay day then move on to his next pay day. Journeyman mentality but journeymen get paid well. I am talking about the British title, the holy grail for many fighters and to give yourself the best chance you have to be a well honed machine. Not someone who just sobers up for a training camp. But I have no wish to go over old ground

And Enzo 'juicing' is irrelevant to the whole argument (Though this could just be a cold remedy, let's be careful) The fact he gassed after three rounds is nothing to do with Enzo, unless Enzo slipped valium in his water.

Ricky Hatton, Richardo Mayorca, Roberto Duran, James Toney etc...

How do you know he didn't train as hard? He's not fought many fights in the pros...
Wether he drinks or not all fighters train roughly the same time. Come fight night it doesn't matter. Noone has agreed with you NOONE

thepocketrocket wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:Actually I had plenty...you just probably haven't read the whole thing.

If all Shane is wanting to do is provide then great. He can just go on the piss, get a pay day then move on to his next pay day. Journeyman mentality but journeymen get paid well. I am talking about the British title, the holy grail for many fighters and to give yourself the best chance you have to be a well honed machine. Not someone who just sobers up for a training camp. But I have no wish to go over old ground

And Enzo 'juicing' is irrelevant to the whole argument (Though this could just be a cold remedy, let's be careful) The fact he gassed after three rounds is nothing to do with Enzo, unless Enzo slipped valium in his water.

Ricky Hatton, Richardo Mayorca, Roberto Duran, James Toney etc...

How do you know he didn't train as hard? He's not fought many fights in the pros...
Wether he drinks or not all fighters train roughly the same time. Come fight night it doesn't matter. Noone has agreed with you NOONE

Shhhh. I'm sure Hatton, Toney and Mayorga have never had their career negatively affected by drink (or their longevity)

It is not just about training hard in camp, getting weight off that shouldn't be there anyway and getting back cardio that should be should be there anyway. It is about living the life...starting your camp at a great starting point, not spending the first month or two working off the beer and pies you have taken in due to a lack of discipline.

And if you only have a four to six week week camp, you are not giving your body time to reach its peak, . That is why someone like Froch is maximizing his talent. He is always fit as a fiddle. if he was the beer monster you seem to think it acceptable he wouldn't have achieved half of what he has done.