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Crazyboy wrote:

I know Mitchell is unprofessional because its a documented fact he likes to drink, get in trouble with the law and engage in sraps outside the ring. Burns worked in a shop after becoming world champion because he didnt want to let his boss down. That demonstrates character and humility, one of the key reasons Burns is a 2 weight world champion and Mitchell is an underachiever who got KTFO on the biggest night of his life. A real athelete is an athelete all the time, not in the 8 weeks leading up to the fight. That's the difference.

I dont think there is anyone who is willing for Burns to win or thinks he will win that this is not a close fight, other than you ....and of course Billy Nelson. If there is, then like you they are talking through emotion. I think and am willing Mitchell to win but of course I know its a very close fight and Mitchell will have to be at the top of his game....Which from what I've seen in his training he will be. Mr Nelson hasn't repeatedly made clear his respect for Mitchell or Jimmy Tibbs. Click on his profile and review all his posts for ref. Yes, Billy Nelson is one of a few that has seen Burns and Mitchell in the ring and I'm also one of those few, and I also know that although Mitchell exploited Burns in sparring, sparring is also not the real thing. And You see nothing on Mitchell's record or his performances to suggest this is a 50/50 fight? Really? The Johannson fight who Burns lost too and Mitchell won against? The Katsides fight which Burns won but Mitchell lost? Mitchells win over Prescott? You really don't see this as a 50/50 fight? You sir are looking through rose tinted glasses. You really think that its a normal thing that Mitchell likes a drink and always gets in 'trouble' with the law because he had a blow out after one fight that he lost?Yes, letting your emotions speak. I agree he went off the rails a little but he is well on them now. Justy because it doesn't get in the press that Burns is falling about drunk at times when he is not boxing doesn't mean it doesn't happen. In actual fact I know it does happen. 22nd Sept getting nearer

Your first post was i observe this and mainly read etc, but it seems to me, (and i'm like you i mainly observe) that you purposely started this thread to sow the seeds of Burns being unhappy and wanting to move trainers as you heard a 'rumour' and now i read in your latest post that you have seen Mitchell training, which says to me you are in the camp or certainly VERY interested in Mitchell.

So summing up mate, you started a thread purely to try and stir up shite while being part of camp mitchell....shame really. maybe i'm wrong but thats how it seems to me

I personally think it will be a great fight, burns to win....just[/quote]Crazyboy it's cool mate I've seen Kevin train but don't come on here saying he's leaving jimmy you know what I mean,if people think this is a 50/50 fight there sadly mistaken,has good as Kevin is Ricky's better sorry all you Mitchell fans but you will find out soon enough

Crazyboy wrote:

I know Mitchell is unprofessional because its a documented fact he likes to drink, get in trouble with the law and engage in sraps outside the ring. Burns worked in a shop after becoming world champion because he didnt want to let his boss down. That demonstrates character and humility, one of the key reasons Burns is a 2 weight world champion and Mitchell is an underachiever who got KTFO on the biggest night of his life. A real athelete is an athelete all the time, not in the 8 weeks leading up to the fight. That's the difference.

I dont think there is anyone who is willing for Burns to win or thinks he will win that this is not a close fight, other than you ....and of course Billy Nelson. If there is, then like you they are talking through emotion. I think and am willing Mitchell to win but of course I know its a very close fight and Mitchell will have to be at the top of his game....Which from what I've seen in his training he will be. Mr Nelson hasn't repeatedly made clear his respect for Mitchell or Jimmy Tibbs. Click on his profile and review all his posts for ref. Yes, Billy Nelson is one of a few that has seen Burns and Mitchell in the ring and I'm also one of those few, and I also know that although Mitchell exploited Burns in sparring, sparring is also not the real thing. And You see nothing on Mitchell's record or his performances to suggest this is a 50/50 fight? Really? The Johannson fight who Burns lost too and Mitchell won against? The Katsides fight which Burns won but Mitchell lost? Mitchells win over Prescott? You really don't see this as a 50/50 fight? You sir are looking through rose tinted glasses. You really think that its a normal thing that Mitchell likes a drink and always gets in 'trouble' with the law because he had a blow out after one fight that he lost?Yes, letting your emotions speak. I agree he went off the rails a little but he is well on them now. Justy because it doesn't get in the press that Burns is falling about drunk at times when he is not boxing doesn't mean it doesn't happen. In actual fact I know it does happen. 22nd Sept getting nearer :TU



Firstly, I didn't 'purposely' start a thread to sow any seeds. It's a fight I'm interested in (as are many) and it has been general knowledge amoungst some that Burns was not happy in his camp and was/is looking to switch trainers. Now, I also stated that I didn't think it a good idea. I also stated that I do not care who wins. Also, its not hard for me to have seen Mitchell train as some of his training is in an open gym. And I was lucky enough to be in the gym when Burns sparred with Mitchell. No, I'm not in any 'camp' and certainly not Mitchell's. I wouldn't say I am more 'interested in Mitchell than I am Burns. Infact I do personally favour Burns's boxing style more than Mitchells. Mitchell is more of a local fighter to me than what Burns is and being a boxing fan I would have heard more about Mitchell than Burns before they both reach the level they are at, obviously. But, its true when I say that I really do not care who wins. I'm just looking forward to a good fight which I think it will be, hoping that the rumour isn't true as I think if it was that will make Burns's chances alot more slimmer in what I see as a 50/50 fight. So yes, you are wrong. Have you ever wanted to be a Police man?

billy nelson wrote:

Crazyboy wrote:

I know Mitchell is unprofessional because its a documented fact he likes to drink, get in trouble with the law and engage in sraps outside the ring. Burns worked in a shop after becoming world champion because he didnt want to let his boss down. That demonstrates character and humility, one of the key reasons Burns is a 2 weight world champion and Mitchell is an underachiever who got KTFO on the biggest night of his life. A real athelete is an athelete all the time, not in the 8 weeks leading up to the fight. That's the difference.

I dont think there is anyone who is willing for Burns to win or thinks he will win that this is not a close fight, other than you ....and of course Billy Nelson. If there is, then like you they are talking through emotion. I think and am willing Mitchell to win but of course I know its a very close fight and Mitchell will have to be at the top of his game....Which from what I've seen in his training he will be. Mr Nelson hasn't repeatedly made clear his respect for Mitchell or Jimmy Tibbs. Click on his profile and review all his posts for ref. Yes, Billy Nelson is one of a few that has seen Burns and Mitchell in the ring and I'm also one of those few, and I also know that although Mitchell exploited Burns in sparring, sparring is also not the real thing. And You see nothing on Mitchell's record or his performances to suggest this is a 50/50 fight? Really? The Johannson fight who Burns lost too and Mitchell won against? The Katsides fight which Burns won but Mitchell lost? Mitchells win over Prescott? You really don't see this as a 50/50 fight? You sir are looking through rose tinted glasses. You really think that its a normal thing that Mitchell likes a drink and always gets in 'trouble' with the law because he had a blow out after one fight that he lost?Yes, letting your emotions speak. I agree he went off the rails a little but he is well on them now. Justy because it doesn't get in the press that Burns is falling about drunk at times when he is not boxing doesn't mean it doesn't happen. In actual fact I know it does happen. 22nd Sept getting nearer

Your first post was i observe this and mainly read etc, but it seems to me, (and i'm like you i mainly observe) that you purposely started this thread to sow the seeds of Burns being unhappy and wanting to move trainers as you heard a 'rumour' and now i read in your latest post that you have seen Mitchell training, which says to me you are in the camp or certainly VERY interested in Mitchell.

So summing up mate, you started a thread purely to try and stir up shite while being part of camp mitchell....shame really. maybe i'm wrong but thats how it seems to me

I personally think it will be a great fight, burns to win....just

Crazyboy it's cool mate I've seen Kevin train but don't come on here saying he's leaving jimmy you know what I mean,if people think this is a 50/50 fight there sadly mistaken,has good as Kevin is Ricky's better sorry all you Mitchell fans but you will find out soon enough[/quote]

You cant help yourself can you Billy? DD Why do you act like a school kid?

Billy's a sweaty sock. One with lots of holes on it. Can't wait for this now. The first thing I'm going to do when Kevin rapes Ricky (no offence Rick ) is come on here, and dedicate a page to you silly Billy boll_cks!

BoxRob wrote:

Crazyboy wrote:

I know Mitchell is unprofessional because its a documented fact he likes to drink, get in trouble with the law and engage in sraps outside the ring. Burns worked in a shop after becoming world champion because he didnt want to let his boss down. That demonstrates character and humility, one of the key reasons Burns is a 2 weight world champion and Mitchell is an underachiever who got KTFO on the biggest night of his life. A real athelete is an athelete all the time, not in the 8 weeks leading up to the fight. That's the difference.

I dont think there is anyone who is willing for Burns to win or thinks he will win that this is not a close fight, other than you ....and of course Billy Nelson. If there is, then like you they are talking through emotion. I think and am willing Mitchell to win but of course I know its a very close fight and Mitchell will have to be at the top of his game....Which from what I've seen in his training he will be. Mr Nelson hasn't repeatedly made clear his respect for Mitchell or Jimmy Tibbs. Click on his profile and review all his posts for ref. Yes, Billy Nelson is one of a few that has seen Burns and Mitchell in the ring and I'm also one of those few, and I also know that although Mitchell exploited Burns in sparring, sparring is also not the real thing. And You see nothing on Mitchell's record or his performances to suggest this is a 50/50 fight? Really? The Johannson fight who Burns lost too and Mitchell won against? The Katsides fight which Burns won but Mitchell lost? Mitchells win over Prescott? You really don't see this as a 50/50 fight? You sir are looking through rose tinted glasses. You really think that its a normal thing that Mitchell likes a drink and always gets in 'trouble' with the law because he had a blow out after one fight that he lost?Yes, letting your emotions speak. I agree he went off the rails a little but he is well on them now. Justy because it doesn't get in the press that Burns is falling about drunk at times when he is not boxing doesn't mean it doesn't happen. In actual fact I know it does happen. 22nd Sept getting nearer :TU



Firstly, I didn't 'purposely' start a thread to sow any seeds. It's a fight I'm interested in (as are many) and it has been general knowledge amoungst some that Burns was not happy in his camp and was/is looking to switch trainers. Now, I also stated that I didn't think it a good idea. I also stated that I do not care who wins. Also, its not hard for me to have seen Mitchell train as some of his training is in an open gym. And I was lucky enough to be in the gym when Burns sparred with Mitchell. No, I'm not in any 'camp' and certainly not Mitchell's. I wouldn't say I am more 'interested in Mitchell than I am Burns. Infact I do personally favour Burns's boxing style more than Mitchells. Mitchell is more of a local fighter to me than what Burns is and being a boxing fan I would have heard more about Mitchell than Burns before they both reach the level they are at, obviously. But, its true when I say that I really do not care who wins. I'm just looking forward to a good fight which I think it will be, hoping that the rumour isn't true as I think if it was that will make Burns's chances alot more slimmer in what I see as a 50/50 fight. So yes, you are wrong. Have you ever wanted to be a Police man?

Well the general condenses is wrong myself and Ricky are has strong now as we were when we first meet,so stop trying poorly may I add at being a shitt stirrer

Eddy wrote:Billy's a sweaty sock. One with lots of holes on it. Can't wait for this now. The first thing I'm going to do when Kevin rapes Ricky (no offence Rick ) is come on here, and dedicate a page to you silly Billy boll_cks!

Heard it all before mate!

Eddy wrote:Billy's a sweaty sock. One with lots of holes on it. Can't wait for this now. The first thing I'm going to do when Kevin rapes Ricky (no offence Rick ) is come on here, and dedicate a page to you silly Billy boll_cks!

Respect the man he s one of the. BEst coaches in the game

billy nelson wrote:

Eddy wrote:Billy's a sweaty sock. One with lots of holes on it. Can't wait for this now. The first thing I'm going to do when Kevin rapes Ricky (no offence Rick ) is come on here, and dedicate a page to you silly Billy boll_cks!

Heard it all before mate!

I 100% bet you have Billy

Stop picking on Billy just because he is english!

See the problem is Rob you appeared out of nowhere stirring shit up about a fighter and his coach looking to cause an argument. Billy quickly cleared the matter up (thankfully) when really you should have been looking to debate how the fight goes.

I believe it is a close fight I take Burns on points. People who underestimate Mitchell are doing so because he is a lad about a town carrying knives in cars and supposedly hanging about with unsavoury characters, that’s is his fault.. The sad thing about this fight is both fighters apparently get on really well and the fans are the ones looking to cause mischief.

Without writing a stupidly long post....this will be a great fight. Hard one to call and has all the makings of fight of the year in my eyes. Nobody can pick a clear winner on this one if you be honest with yourself. I just hope they both perform to their very best and if they do, I can see it brutal!

Lets be honest its the best domestic fight out there on paper.

TopGun wrote:Without writing a stupidly long post....this will be a great fight. Hard one to call and has all the makings of fight of the year in my eyes. Nobody can pick a clear winner on this one if you be honest with yourself. I just hope they both perform to their very best and if they do, I can see it brutal!

Lets be honest its the best domestic fight out there on paper.

Spot on . Billy Nelson take note. not going to be as easy as you think (or maybe as you claim .........) 22nd getting nearer

zero wrote:See the problem is Rob you appeared out of nowhere stirring shit up about a fighter and his coach looking to cause an argument. Billy quickly cleared the matter up (thankfully) when really you should have been looking to debate how the fight goes.

I believe it is a close fight I take Burns on points. People who underestimate Mitchell are doing so because he is a lad about a town carrying knives in cars and supposedly hanging about with unsavoury characters, that’s is his fault.. The sad thing about this fight is both fighters apparently get on really well and the fans are the ones looking to cause mischief.

sensible post.
mitchell has never seemed to fulfill his potential and burns seems to have exceeded his. i think it will come down to who has put in the hardest work over the last few years, so i'll go for burns to win by late tko

billy bessey wrote:I heard from a good source about someone touching down in sparring last week. Not a great deal to go on I know but 6/1 Mitchell by stoppage seemed too big as it was but now I'm all over that like I am cake

Oh you little rumour machine Billy boy well it wasn't my man so?
6/1 for Kevin to stop the boxer with the best defence in British boxing I'd say that's a fair enough price a losing bet but a fair price.
Only 3weeks to go ricky is looking great in top sparring can't wait for the 22nd

i think this is going to be a close fight....mitchell's fight against murray showed he has quality just the same as when burns fought martinez... im going to leantowards mitchel.... itl be a great uk clash al the same....

billy bessey wrote:I heard from a good source about someone touching down in sparring last week. Not a great deal to go on I know but 6/1 Mitchell by stoppage seemed too big as it was but now I'm all over that like I am cake

That the bradley saunders rumour thats going about? wouldnt go to big on it billy prob is just a rumour and ricky has looked pretty solid in his last few fights.

Billy, why react to this kind of thing?

Someone who isn't prepared to reveal who they really are or give actual facts about the gym they heard the rumours in, is not really worth responding to.

so thats two great rumours in this post ...that burns is leaving nelson and that hes getting kod in sparring. so im selling my house and putting it all on mitchell.....

where were the rumours before mitchell got smashed by katsidis?
where were the rumours that hatton had the flu before lazcano fight
or david hayes toes, or kell brooks weekends off...

rumours are like tips for winners in the horses...they always come from "reliable sources" and they are almost always unreliable.

Just put a fight poll up to stop all this bickering....

Didn't Ray Leonard get dropped by Quincy Jones in sparring before the Hagler bout? I think I remember reading that it focused Leonards mind not to get involved with Hagler.

I think Mitchell will win but in a hard bout; both are class and wil have good game plans, both have good corners. I'm putting £20 on Kevin and maybe a fiver inside the distance).

palooka wrote:Didn't Ray Leonard get dropped by Quincy Jones in sparring before the Hagler bout? I think I remember reading that it focused Leonards mind not to get involved with Hagler.

I think Mitchell will win but in a hard bout; both are class and wil have good game plans, both have good corners. I'm putting £20 on Kevin and maybe a fiver inside the distance).

Wasn't he producing Bad for Michael Jackson at the time?

Think you mean Quincy Taylor

Matt W wrote:

palooka wrote:Didn't Ray Leonard get dropped by Quincy Jones in sparring before the Hagler bout? I think I remember reading that it focused Leonards mind not to get involved with Hagler.

I think Mitchell will win but in a hard bout; both are class and wil have good game plans, both have good corners. I'm putting £20 on Kevin and maybe a fiver inside the distance).

Wasn't he producing Bad for Michael Jackson at the time?

Think you mean Quincy Taylor

Haha think you've got me there, you got the jist though yeah?

girv wrote:Billy, why react to this kind of thing?

Someone who isn't prepared to reveal who they really are or give actual facts about the gym they heard the rumours in, is not really worth responding to.

It's a laugh lol

billy bessey wrote:

jimcook wrote:so thats two great rumours in this post ...that burns is leaving nelson and that hes getting kod in sparring. so im selling my house and putting it all on mitchell.....

where were the rumours before mitchell got smashed by katsidis?
where were the rumours that hatton had the flu before lazcano fight
or david hayes toes, or kell brooks weekends off...

rumours are like tips for winners in the horses...they always come from "reliable sources" and they are almost always unreliable.

Very true and being someone that has continually fought the gambling demons throughout my life I know this more than anyone how shit tips/rumours are and I still have nightmares about my biggest ever boxing bet on Ricky to get stopped by Katsidis which I thought was as nailed on as anything I had ever bet on. So I won't be going big but in a 50/50 fight I think 6/1 is worth a little punt and I know I shouldn't but when I think of Burns I can't help but think of when Johansson took him apart. Good luck to both though top fight with 2 top fighters

Get a grip billy,this is a far better and more experienced ricky burns compared to the one that lost to CJ,no way will Kevin Mitchell stop burns,burns will win this fight coz he's fitter,stronger and the better all round fighter

I watched Ricky train before the Johanneson fight. He looked massive for the weight and very fit but I was also really struck by how raw he was. No disrespect to his previous trainer but Ricky appeared largely self taught and almost unrecognisable from the complete boxer he is now. Fighters do change.

Intriguing fight though, at his best Mitchell's so fast and sharp.