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Il Duce wrote:Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

Il Duce wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

You're like a train wreck. People just can't look away.

And that includes you........

SamWise72 wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Fact > People who don't like America are jealous.

Fact > When there is a problem somewhere in the World, America is the 'first' to respond.

Fact > We are far from perfect.

Number 1 fact - that's probably true for SOME people, but there are plenty of other reasons for countries to hate America.

Number 2 fact - that's not even remotely true. There are so many problems in the world that America (and for that matter my own country) don't respond to which are far worse than those they do respond to. America responds out of self interest, and fairly often ignores flagrant breaches of "freedom and democracy", or even intervenes to support them, and then reaps the fruit of that later. In Iran, America stood by and let the Shah, who was a big arms customer, close down the Majilis and imprison the Prime Minister. Then when Iran had it's revolution and the Mullahs hated America, it was the same story "They're evil, they're jealous". In reality, America talks about freedom and democracy, but supports whatever will get it the most money.

Number 3 fact - that's absolutely a fact. America is not all bad, nor Americans, but certainly it's not all good either. It's the arrogance that says "We are morally superior" that upsets people. Acquiring the most toys doesn't make you the moral arbiter, indeed, doing what's necessary to acquire the most toys often means not being moral at all.


And yes, I'd much rather you posted imaginary matchups than endless attacks on Ali, and endless "he really lost this fight", or "He swerved everyone else to take an easy fight" for every one of his opponents. I think you're entitled to your opinion on Ali, and I think you're right on some of it; he's not as unambiguously lovely as I, an Ali fan, would like him to be, but I've got to tell you that you've completely lost my respect and interest over the last few months. I used to enjoy your threads a lot, but now, I mostly don't even read them. It's a shame.

BoxBuzz wrote:lol.....agreed.....but let's be honest....far from a "no spin" zone.

bollox wrote:"no Viet Cong ever called me person"

gilgamesh wrote:

bollox wrote:"no Viet Cong ever called me person"

I know the quote as I'm sure a lot of us do, but the autocorrect mechanism f*cked it up

Il Duce wrote:Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

And 'rip' America about our connection with the 'Shah of Iran'.

How the hell did you pull that one out of the closet..... :??

SamWise72 wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

And 'rip' America about our connection with the 'Shah of Iran'.

How the hell did you pull that one out of the closet..... :??

If you don't understand America's connection to the Shah, it's not surprising you don't understand how America is perceived on the world stage.

Il Duce wrote:America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

Il Duce wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

The United States nor any nation gets to choose the leaders of other nations. What part of that don't you understand?

What don't you understand..............We have done that many times.

Il Duce wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

The United States nor any nation gets to choose the leaders of other nations. What part of that don't you understand?

What don't you understand..............We have done that many times.

Il Duce wrote:America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

SamWise72 wrote:
I'm not saying what I "want you to be", I fully understand that you are precisely a business. I'm trying to help you understand what, other than jealousy, might make other countries hate you. America puts itself across in its politics, and often through the voices of its people, as exactly a moral crusade; champions of freedom and democracy, the worlds policeman. It isn't those things, it is a business. It does indeed choose the leaders of many countries. That's why America is hated, mainly, not jealousy. Am I getting through? That behaviour, and the hypocrisy that it embodies.

SamWise72 wrote:I hear you. I've got dual nationality; I'm a US citizen, and actually, I love America in a lot of ways. It's a beautiful country, with a lot of wonderful people in it, and it used to be very inspiring. I feel like over the course of my lifetime, a lot of what was inspiring has been replaced by something rather ugly, but yes, if you suggest that you want the country to be a little different, you're anti American. It doesn't make me happy

columbo wrote:Bloody hell Duce. This is getting silly now.

gilgamesh wrote:

columbo wrote:Bloody hell Duce. This is getting silly now.

now????

It wasn't silly months ago?

Il Duce wrote:Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali

A 'record' that we never be met.

The child/man was 'boo'ed at every single boxing match that he was involved in.

In many cases, he was vehemently boo'ed.

In some, he had a 'garbage' {half-eaten food} thrown on him.

Though the most recognized athlete, yet he was despised more so than any other athlete.

Space Moutain wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali

A 'record' that we never be met.

The child/man was 'boo'ed at every single boxing match that he was involved in.

In many cases, he was vehemently boo'ed.

In some, he had a 'garbage' {half-eaten food} thrown on him.

Though the most recognized athlete, yet he was despised more so than any other athlete.

I agree.

gilgamesh wrote:

Space Moutain wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali

A 'record' that we never be met.

The child/man was 'boo'ed at every single boxing match that he was involved in.

In many cases, he was vehemently boo'ed.

In some, he had a 'garbage' {half-eaten food} thrown on him.

Though the most recognized athlete, yet he was despised more so than any other athlete.

I agree.

You would. You guys have got to be the same person, because anytime Duce says something, here you come like a faithful dog to back him up.

Space Moutain wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Space Moutain wrote:
I agree.

You would. You guys have got to be the same person, because anytime Duce says something, here you come like a faithful dog to back him up.

I'm not sure I like your tone.