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I am impressed with his chin, heart and movement, but he failed to land. Even most of body punches which were counted didn't land cleanly. Nobody can take so many clean body shots from a heavyweight and look as fresh as Wlad looked in the 12th.

Chepppaaa wrote:

Tarkus wrote:Even though Klitschko won nearly every round, Jennings did not look hurt or dominated, apart maybe in the 12th. Whats more important he looked like a threat throughout, not a huge threat but still clearly in the fight. I think Jennings is among the best in the division. Still level below Klitschko.

Klitschko Fury will be massive.

what you mean massive boring or massive disappointmant or what?

Massively exciting. I just cant wait. Lets skip May 2 and the rest of the small time and lets get right into it.

Tarkus wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

Tarkus wrote:Even though Klitschko won nearly every round, Jennings did not look hurt or dominated, apart maybe in the 12th. Whats more important he looked like a threat throughout, not a huge threat but still clearly in the fight. I think Jennings is among the best in the division. Still level below Klitschko.

Klitschko Fury will be massive.

what you mean massive boring or massive disappointmant or what?

Massively exciting. I just cant wait. Lets skip May 2 and the rest of the small time and lets get right into it.

2 roboters with 0 footwork doing wrestling for 12 rounds, oh yeah, i am hyped too

fergusg wrote:I think that Tyson Fury would have been encouraged and given a confidence booster by Klitschko's subpar performance tonight.

Wladimir dominated tonight and deserved the win against a fairly negative opponent, but "something" intangible and indescribable was "missing" in his performance against Jennings.

Perhaps the Ukranian injured his right hand, as he hardly threw it, maybe the style of his negative-minded opponent caused the poor performance or it could simply be the weight of expectation to shine on HBO in front of an American audience was far too great, but whatever the reason, Wladimir had an off night tonight!

BS. Fury doesnt have Jennings' punch resistance. Nor speed. Nor movement. He is a sitting target. Sure he's got more power but he's also a stationary duck with a crap chin that Wlad would have target practice against. Fury has been dropped by guys who hit not nearly as hard or accurately as Klitschko.

Wilder clearly has the best chance vs Wlad b/c unlike Fury, Wilder is a really good athlete who can get the hell out of the way a bit. Fury is a sitting duck in there.

Wlad is a robot with no footwork?! Someone please ban Chepppaaaa so he stops hogging bandwith. There's no way this guy even graduated high school and isnt on welfare. Good Lord you're an idiot.

diddy wrote:

fergusg wrote:I think that Tyson Fury would have been encouraged and given a confidence booster by Klitschko's subpar performance tonight.

Wladimir dominated tonight and deserved the win against a fairly negative opponent, but "something" intangible and indescribable was "missing" in his performance against Jennings.

Perhaps the Ukranian injured his right hand, as he hardly threw it, maybe the style of his negative-minded opponent caused the poor performance or it could simply be the weight of expectation to shine on HBO in front of an American audience was far too great, but whatever the reason, Wladimir had an off night tonight!

BS. Fury doesnt have Jennings' punch resistance. Nor speed. Nor movement. He is a sitting target. Sure he's got more power but he's also a stationary duck with a crap chin that Wlad would have target practice against. Fury has been dropped by guys who hit not nearly as hard or accurately as Klitschko.

Wilder clearly has the best chance vs Wlad b/c unlike Fury, Wilder is a really good athlete who can get the hell out of the way a bit. Fury is a sitting duck in there.

I would tend to agree with you. One thing I will say is that I think Fury is an under-rated boxer, I think he's very good technically. However, like you say, at some point Wlad will land against him and when he does it's all over.

Chepppaaa wrote: 2 roboters with 0 footwork doing wrestling for 12 rounds, oh yeah, i am hyped too

Speaking of robots I am starting to wonder is if your account is some kind of a bot that generates random sentences. Klitschko has 0 footwork apparently.

diddy wrote:Wlad is a robot with no footwork?! Someone please ban Chepppaaaa so he stops hogging bandwith. There's no way this guy even graduated high school and isnt on welfare. Good Lord you're an idiot.

says the man who names himself after the ultimate blockhead and Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder patient p diddy

diddy wrote:Wlad is a robot with no footwork?! Someone please ban Chepppaaaa so he stops hogging bandwith. There's no way this guy even graduated high school and isnt on welfare. Good Lord you're an idiot.

D

Unfortunately you can't really ban someone for being stupid. It may not be his fault, we don't know him so perhaps we shouldn't judge too harshly ................ difficult as it may be not to.

Chepppaaa wrote:

diddy wrote:Wlad is a robot with no footwork?! Someone please ban Chepppaaaa so he stops hogging bandwith. There's no way this guy even graduated high school and isnt on welfare. Good Lord you're an idiot.

says the man who names himself after the ultimate blockhead and Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder patient p diddy

The first 4 letters of my last name are "Didd", so try again, you dope. Puff Daddy sucks almost as much as you do. Almost.

i am just asking on which forum i am, is this boxing forum

Chepppaaa wrote:i am just asking on which forum i am, is this boxing forum

Please tell me you arent english or american, because you cant even form a sentence. Unless you're a Euro or foreigner there's no reason to not be able to form a decipherable sentence.

diddy wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:i am just asking on which forum i am, is this boxing forum

Please tell me you arent english or american, because you cant even form a sentence. Unless you're a Euro or foreigner there's no reason to not be able to form a decipherable sentence.

i am from south carolina, home if the honey trees

Chepppaaa wrote:

diddy wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:i am just asking on which forum i am, is this boxing forum

Please tell me you arent english or american, because you cant even form a sentence. Unless you're a Euro or foreigner there's no reason to not be able to form a decipherable sentence.

i am from south carolina, home if the honey trees

"Home if the honey trees", everyone.

sout carolina home of the honey trees

cheppaaa has been polluting this forum for while with his retarded trollishness, best to just ignore him.

How can anyone praise what this weak fuuck Wlad does.

Pushing jab can't even throw a fuucking correct jab.

Leaning with his weight.

Holding like a muthafucker.

My god these hw are just fuuckibg horrible Deontat needs to get rid of this joke ASAP.

fergusg wrote:On a related note, I’m not sure if it’s some sort of record, though it probably is, but it appears that Wladimir has:
• Beaten twelve undefeated opponents throughout the entire course of his professional career
• Made eight defences of his world heavyweight championship against unbeaten title challengers
• Successfully defended his world titles against undefeated opponents in five of his last six title defences

The above statistics are likely to continue to improve, because it is believed that Wladimir’s next opponent will be the undefeated trash-talking Tyson Fury.

Undefeated records are a negative in this era of padded records and protected fighters, not a positive. How many of those undefeated fighters had beaten ONE legtimate top 10 opponent?

No time to read the entire thread. WKlit looked pretty damned impressive to me. He was forced to go 12 and did so in good shape against a determined, iron chinned, skilled pro. Jennings was also impressive but he was out boxed by a great heavy weight champion.

I enjoyed the fight. It was competitive. I hope that WKlit does fight Fury. I also wouldn't mind Stiverne v Jennings. Of course, I will watch Wilder v anyone.

The HW division is becoming more and more interesting. There are plenty of good fights coming up.

dempseyfire wrote:Undefeated records are a negative in this era of padded records and protected fighters, not a positive.

You're not being fair.

dempseyfire wrote: How many of those undefeated fighters had beaten ONE legtimate top 10 opponent?

Jennings beat Perez

Povetkin beat Chagaev and Chambers. He beat Byrd when he was in the Ring top ten. Transnational and boxrec had Takam in the top ten when Povetkin KOed him.

Pulev beat Thompson when Tony was in the top ten, and Dimitrenko when he was in the Ring top ten

Chagaev beat Valuev

Ibragimov beat Briggs when he was in the top ten (Shannon replaced Lyakhovich in the Ring and Boxrec rankings, remember?)

There are probably others, those are just off the top of my head.

i like dempsey fire's comment about undefeated fighters. it's not significant any more.

as for waldo....he is not an undisputed world champion.

(i haven't read earlier posts, so these comments may have already been made. if not they should have been.)

jaclem3 wrote:i like dempsey fire's comment about undefeated fighters. it's not significant any more.

as for waldo....he is not an undisputed world champion.

(i haven't read earlier posts, so these comments may have already been made. if not they should have been.)

Jaclem and dempseyfire bringing some reality to the thread. Big up Boxrec old school!

The sooner this guy retires the better. Top 30 all-time HW.

Yes, BOTP logic whereby the recent proliferation of titles is reviled at the same time someone not holding every major title, which is often impeded by financial/political considerations and not the absence of fighters good enough to accomplish that, is used against them in discussions of their accomplishments, the legitimacy of their champion status, and overall legacy.

One of the 'old school' dispensers of this type of logic even recently implied that Wlad and GGG aren't the WBA champions of their respective divisions any more than fighters like Ruslan Chagaev and Danny Jacobs are, as the latter hold one of the organization's subsidiary belts. Now I'm sure some of the BOTP would consider me unsophisticated because I'm not titillated by black and white footage of Jack Johnson holding more than Wlad does or Jack Dempsey showing technique, such wildly jumping while throwing a combination, that would be considered highly crude if contemporary fighters employed it (I previously suggested in that part of the forum that Dempsey had technical flaws and predictably several habitués were apoplectic), but I'm usually able to identify inconsistent reasoning when I encounter it.

Wlad has fought and beaten top contenders for years just as a champion should, ducking no one in the process. Him not winning the WBC title by overcoming the truly awesome Bermane Stiverne like Wilder did shouldn't hurt his argument for being today's top heavyweight or more generally his legacy.

On another point made, I think it's fair to mention that unbeaten records often belie shallow opposition and significant limitations, and a win over an opponent like Wach or Pineta (or however it's spelled) shouldn't mean much in isolation, but I think the likes of Pulev, Povetkin, and Jennings are good fighters, with two of them arguably being the top HWs other than Wlad at the time, and Wlad lost a maximum of three rounds between his fights with them. He's dominated top opponents for a long time and has enjoyed an excellent career that will almost surely lead to him being inducted to the HOF.

the thing is, some people can say beating undefeated guys like wach is better than beating arreola, who would be a recycled fighter.
if he beats arreoala, then they argument is, well arreola already lost to stiverne, vitali etc.

with wach and pianeta, nobody else has beaten them or want s to face them. reality is they are seen as high risk low reward.

so one could argue wlad has beaten fighters (in their peak) who nobody else has beaten which in turn looks good for him.

crusader wrote:Yes, BOTP logic whereby the recent proliferation of titles is reviled at the same time someone not holding every major title, which is often impeded by financial/political considerations and not the absence of fighters good enough to accomplish that, is used against them in discussions of their accomplishments, the legitimacy of their champion status, and overall legacy.

One of the 'old school' dispensers of this type of logic even recently implied that Wlad and GGG aren't the WBA champions of their respective divisions any more than fighters like Ruslan Chagaev and Danny Jacobs are, as the latter hold one of the organization's subsidiary belts. Now I'm sure some of the BOTP would consider me unsophisticated because I'm not titillated by black and white footage of Jack Johnson holding more than Wlad does or Jack Dempsey showing technique, such wildly jumping while throwing a combination, that would be considered highly crude if contemporary fighters employed it (I previously suggested in that part of the forum that Dempsey had technical flaws and predictably several habitués were apoplectic), but I'm usually able to identify inconsistent reasoning when I encounter it.

Wlad has fought and beaten top contenders for years just as a champion should, ducking no one in the process. Him not winning the WBC title by overcoming the truly awesome Bermane Stiverne like Wilder did shouldn't hurt his argument for being today's top heavyweight or more generally his legacy.

On another point made, I think it's fair to mention that unbeaten records often belie shallow opposition and significant limitations, and a win over an opponent like Wach or Pineta (or however it's spelled) shouldn't mean much in isolation, but I think the likes of Pulev, Povetkin, and Jennings are good fighters, with two of them arguably being the top HWs other than Wlad at the time, and Wlad lost a maximum of three rounds between his fights with them. He's dominated top opponents for a long time and has enjoyed an excellent career that will almost surely lead to him being inducted to the HOF.

Wasn't arguing he isn't the top heavyweight in the world because he obviously is. We'll see if he gets past Wilder. He has the opportunity now to participate in a fight that people outside of Germany actually care about, the first recognised dangerous guy for a while, outside of those guys who stopped him, or the blown-up cruiser he squeaked past throwing a handful more jabs a round, who is still embarrassingly his best win. (And I'm a huge fan of Haye). If he beats Wilder that'd be his best win and he would deserve credit, and maybe breaks into the top 25 all time list. Baby steps.