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Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 17:18
by chad
ScottDetonator wrote:chad wrote:ScottDetonator wrote:Who knows though, maybe BT and BN could do a deal to both show the fight live with replays exclusively on BT or something. As for could BT do a PPV? I think Chad would be best to answer that question
BT could set up a PPV channel but I'm not sure they could have it up and running within 8 weeks across all TV platforms i.e. SKY, Virgin Media etc... Buying the rights and setting up a PPV service would be pretty costly.
Out of the 3 potential bidders, BT winning the rights and putting the fight on BT Sports would be the worst case scenario for those with SKY TV. If you want BT Sport for just one month you have to pay £15.00 activation fee, £13.50 for the monthly subscription plus £3.00 extra for HD. £31.50 is pretty steep. Plus if you choose the option of no activation fee, and don't read the small print, that's you locked into a 12 month subscription for the channel!
So basically, if BT win it, it will be on standard BT Sports. And why would they need a PPV channel looking at the costs there Chad. More subs are the incentive, same as BN. BT are looking at the future and this fight is a fantastic platform for whoever wins the rights.
I think both BT and B0xnati0n would love to get one over on SKY. If BT win the rights, wonder if they'd give B0xnati0n access to show the fight 3 to 5 days later. The two companies are already in cahoots in terms of Boxing Tonight and the upcoming Total Combat.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 17:50
by Manchester Hitman
Personally I don't think BT have/will even bid for it- when it ones down to it is how much do Sky want it and how much are they willing to pay.
Listening to FW interview with kuggan he didn't appear confident of getting the deal done and quickly moved the conversation on.
I think Sky have it in the bag already
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 18:08
by chad
Manchester Hitman wrote:Personally I don't think BT have/will even bid for it- when it ones down to it is how much do Sky want it and how much are they willing to pay.
Listening to FW interview with kuggan he didn't appear confident of getting the deal done and quickly moved the conversation on.
I think Sky have it in the bag already
Noticed that myself last night. Good interview with Warren. Doesn't like keyboard warriors much
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 17 Mar 2015, 18:34
by expe
ScottDetonator wrote:expe wrote:ScottDetonator wrote:I hope BT show they are serious and smash Sky on the rights. They've all ready shown with the Footy bids they mean business in the sports market. Surely, the biggest fight, money-wise, of all time has a lot of pull...
I don't see BN being able to contend with those two giants. BT all ready has the mid-week program, FNF from ESPN and the WSB, they are a few live fights away from being the must have channel for boxing fans, especially if they can get a decent domestic promoter on board or a fighter with his own promotions outfit, like Khan or possibly Joshua in a couple of years.
Could this be the first ever BT PPV boxing event?
allegedly may be willing to make a loss on the fight, backed by Bill Ives' money, to boost subscriber numbers long term and secure the future of the channel, I can't see Sky or BT showing it if they thought they were going to lose money.
allegedly is the must have channel for boxing fans, BT hardly shows anything, the midweek program is given to them by allegedly and WSB is free on the internet, add in a few live fights and they might be classed as a channel that broadcasts boxing, right now Eurosport are above them when it comes to boxing.
Do BT have the facility to do a PPV?
BN would need a million subs at £12 a pop for the fight to just break even, if the figure of 12 million and rising, is right. We should take into account advertising, which I'm guessing must be a large amount but still, BN is a small fish.
BT also show FNF live and have a team all set to go on the boxing front. I don't find it that hard to see BT getting this fight and getting more involved in the sport with it. Especially when they pay over 320+ million for there footy coverage a season. Big players.
Who knows though, maybe BT and BN could do a deal to both show the fight live with replays exclusively on BT or something. As for could BT do a PPV? I think Chad would be best to answer that question
£8 subscription fee means they'd need 600,000 subscriptions, they've already got some of those and the advantage they have over PPV is that a lot won't bother to cancel and they'll get an extra £12 the next month.
BT pay £320 million for football because it brings in subscriptions, boxing is something that gets added in as an extra to fill space and give subscribers value for money, with the opportunity to cash in with PPV, but it doesn't really bring in any extra subscribers like other sports do.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 02:23
by ScottDetonator
expe wrote:BT pay £320 million for football because it brings in subscriptions, boxing is something that gets added in as an extra to fill space and give subscribers value for money, with the opportunity to cash in with PPV, but it doesn't really bring in any extra subscribers like other sports do.
Mayweather vs Pac will bring BT subscribers.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 07:14
by Alba
ScottDetonator wrote:expe wrote:BT pay £320 million for football because it brings in subscriptions, boxing is something that gets added in as an extra to fill space and give subscribers value for money, with the opportunity to cash in with PPV, but it doesn't really bring in any extra subscribers like other sports do.
Mayweather vs Pac will bring BT subscribers.
that means nothing, they need Subscribers to stay with them for a while for it to be effective.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 08:08
by whiteboy
The delay is a bit of a pain to be honest - be good to get it sorted so whoever is showing it can sort a uk leg out.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 08:22
by expe
ScottDetonator wrote:expe wrote:BT pay £320 million for football because it brings in subscriptions, boxing is something that gets added in as an extra to fill space and give subscribers value for money, with the opportunity to cash in with PPV, but it doesn't really bring in any extra subscribers like other sports do.
Mayweather vs Pac will bring BT subscribers.
If people aren't going to subscribe with the football on there, I can't see them doing it for one fight in the early hours of the morning, too easy to just stream it and save £30 and like Alba says, they need those people to subscribe for more than one month to get anything out of it.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 10:28
by stujones
whiteboy wrote:The delay is a bit of a pain to be honest - be good to get it sorted so whoever is showing it can sort a uk leg out.
This won't have/need a UK leg.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 11:53
by jamesmcdonnell
Can anyone remember what the biggest UK PPV figures were to date, I thought they were both Hatton fights against Mayweather and possibly Pacquaio - or was it his winning effort against Tszyu?
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 12:04
by expe
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can anyone remember what the biggest UK PPV figures were to date, I thought they were both Hatton fights against Mayweather and possibly Pacquaio - or was it his winning effort against Tszyu?
I think it was Hatton-Mayweather with 1.2 million, Froch-Groves 2 did 900,000, didn't Tyson-Bruno do 600,000 or something like that? Hatton-Tszyu did just over 300,000 buys according to an article I found.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 12:29
by jamesmcdonnell
expe wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can anyone remember what the biggest UK PPV figures were to date, I thought they were both Hatton fights against Mayweather and possibly Pacquaio - or was it his winning effort against Tszyu?
I think it was Hatton-Mayweather with 1.2 million, Froch-Groves 2 did 900,000, didn't Tyson-Bruno do 600,000 or something like that? Hatton-Tszyu did just over 300,000 buys according to an article I found.
Ok, I thought it was Hatton Mayweather - I really cannot see this fight beating that.
There's a big difference in being interested in a result, and being emotionally invested enough to spend money to watch it live, especially at 5.00 a.m.
Look at the hype Froch v Groves 2 had, and it still didn't beat that record.
I think 1 million would be a very optimistic outcome for PPVs in UK.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 12:34
by expe
jamesmcdonnell wrote:expe wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can anyone remember what the biggest UK PPV figures were to date, I thought they were both Hatton fights against Mayweather and possibly Pacquaio - or was it his winning effort against Tszyu?
I think it was Hatton-Mayweather with 1.2 million, Froch-Groves 2 did 900,000, didn't Tyson-Bruno do 600,000 or something like that? Hatton-Tszyu did just over 300,000 buys according to an article I found.
Ok, I thought it was Hatton Mayweather - I really cannot see this fight beating that.
There's a big difference in being interested in a result, and being emotionally invested enough to spend money to watch it live, especially at 5.00 a.m.
Look at the hype Froch v Groves 2 had, and it still didn't beat that record.
I think 1 million would be a very optimistic outcome for PPVs in UK.
If it was going to do 1.5 million buys at £20, I think the rights fee would be a lot higher than the £12 million reported in the same article.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 12:50
by mfc_se15
expe wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can anyone remember what the biggest UK PPV figures were to date, I thought they were both Hatton fights against Mayweather and possibly Pacquaio - or was it his winning effort against Tszyu?
I think it was Hatton-Mayweather with 1.2 million, Froch-Groves 2 did 900,000, didn't Tyson-Bruno do 600,000 or something like that? Hatton-Tszyu did just over 300,000 buys according to an article I found.
What were Haye's numbers then? I thought I read he had done one of the best numbers or was that all chat.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 17:10
by ScottDetonator
I'm guessing BT aren't interested enough then.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 17:14
by chad
Boxing News assess the "bidding war"
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/floyd-m ... conundrum/
Doesn't sound like BT are serious about boxing at all
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 17:19
by ScottDetonator
Looks like Sky all the way then. Was pretty much obvious from the get go tbh. At least it will get the publicity it deserves. Sky will push the boat out to the max.
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 18:24
by PokerRob
Doesnt really reveal anything new... Boxn@tion could always lower their PPV price down to £20 (its currently set at £30) for the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight, just so people dont have to subscribe to a channel they dont really want for one fight!
Saying this... I do agree that Sky are favourites (although not heavy) with Boxn@tion not far behind... BT is highly unlikely!
And for anyone who suggests terrestrial TV!!!
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 19:27
by expe
PokerRob wrote:
Doesnt really reveal anything new... Boxn@tion could always lower their PPV price down to £20 (its currently set at £30) for the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight, just so people dont have to subscribe to a channel they dont really want for one fight!
Saying this... I do agree that Sky are favourites (although not heavy) with Boxn@tion not far behind... BT is highly unlikely!
And for anyone who suggests terrestrial TV!!!
If people pay £20 PPV for Mayweather-Pacquaio on allegedly they're thick fuckers, why pay £20 for one night, when for £12, plus the £8 subscription fee, you get a whole month, for the same price?
Re: Which UK channel will show Mayweather Pacquiao ?
Posted: 18 Mar 2015, 19:46
by PokerRob
expe wrote:PokerRob wrote:
Doesnt really reveal anything new... Boxn@tion could always lower their PPV price down to £20 (its currently set at £30) for the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight, just so people dont have to subscribe to a channel they dont really want for one fight!
Saying this... I do agree that Sky are favourites (although not heavy) with Boxn@tion not far behind... BT is highly unlikely!
And for anyone who suggests terrestrial TV!!!
If people pay £20 PPV for Mayweather-Pacquaio on allegedly they're thick fuckers, why pay £20 for one night, when for £12, plus the £8 subscription fee, you get a whole month, for the same price?
Because people are very weary entering into a subscription and fully aware that it can be a nightmare to unsubscribe (they have you by the goulies once you subscribe). However, in fairness, BoxN@tion are very good when it comes to unsubscribing. Most people wont know this though!
Your average viewer also wont be interested in getting the channel for the whole month, they just want to watch the fight with their mates.
Its a lot easier to pay a one off PPV rather than subscribe to a channel and then have to unsubscribe straight afterwards!