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Bundu-Gavin was a close fight in my view, and while the same can't be said of Crawford-Burns there have been equally, or perhaps even more one-sided fights in the US in which the wrong fighter got the decision, such as Santa Cruz-Casamayor. There have also been loads of non-major (including bouts well below world title level) fights with poor judging in the US, which shouldn't be surprising given that certain people still have financial incentives for a particular fighter to win or at least not lose

diddy wrote:Bundu beat Gavin rather clearly. Crawford smoked Burns.

I'm talking about close decisions in fights that have world implications at the top level. Not worthless domestic scraps that don't involve much $.

Seeing so few of those fights happen here let's have your long list of grievances.

diddy wrote:Bundu beat Gavin rather clearly. Crawford smoked Burns.

I'm talking about close decisions in fights that have world implications at the top level. Not worthless domestic scraps that don't involve much $.

Wouldn't call world title fights (Salvidar-Winstone, Brown-Charnley, Medina-Harrison, Griffith-Curvis, Beyer-Woodhall) "worthless domestic scraps"). Is a European title fight between a British favourite and a visiting boxer (Fegatilli vs Stephen Foster; Mezaache vs Thaxton) a "worthless domestic scrap". Is any fight "worthless" when a boxer with aspirations of glory puts his heart and soul on the line against a tough contender from overseas, even though a title is not involved? I have too much respect for fighters to call their bouts "worthless", but that's just me.

I'm going to have to stop coming on this forum for a while. I like to watch fights with result unknown (that, is, bout that I have recorded and haven't got around to watching) and someone is back to posting spoilers on every damned fight that took place anywhere in the world. I know, I shouldn't be on an internet forum if I don't want to know a particular result, so I'll stay away.

Nothing to do with our little discussion about visiting fighters, in your view, routinely getting robbed when they visit the UK.

Either visiting boxers are guaranteed an unfair deal in the UK, or they are NOT guaranteed an unfair deal.

I think one of us is clearly right and one of us is clearly wrong on this issue. I'll leave it up to forum posters to make up their own minds on this issue.

One thing I think we can both agree on: We are far apart on this issue and on boxing generally. Probably have a very different world view, as well.

Butterbean wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:All this stuff about Dirrell being less than a man is quite amusing.

How did he get this rep with some of you?

Is it because he boxed Froch's ears off and got robbed of a decision he should have easily got?

Or is it because he was on the receiving end of one of the dirtiest fouls in recent boxing history, one that could have easily ended a career?

Yes, Andre did take his time coming back. Yes, some of what he said during the layoff sounded contradictory or like excuse making...but it also could be he was a guy still dealing with having his brains scrambled and his behavior and comments were a result of it.

But what the folks who want to call him effeminate and other unflattering things seem to not get is this:

He's back.

And he is slowly but surely increasing the level of his competition- unlike some other prominent boxers treated like sacred cows by some fans.

If Dirrell gets back to being the guy he was before that shameful foul, we could be looking at the only 168 pounder with a legit chance to beat Ward, which I felt he was before the foul.

Bullshit. From start to finish.

Really?

I thought Dirrell did himself proud today, even if it was in a losing effort.

If today is any judge, it is proof you dont know what you are talking about.

Texas is by far the worst place for judging for away fighters, Paulie vs Diaz was criminal. Unless Diddy is specifically talking about the hopeless UK ref CJ Ross

Graham Houston wrote:

diddy wrote:Bundu beat Gavin rather clearly. Crawford smoked Burns.

I'm talking about close decisions in fights that have world implications at the top level. Not worthless domestic scraps that don't involve much $.

Wouldn't call world title fights (Salvidar-Winstone, Brown-Charnley, Medina-Harrison, Griffith-Curvis, Beyer-Woodhall) "worthless domestic scraps"). Is a European title fight between a British favourite and a visiting boxer (Fegatilli vs Stephen Foster; Mezaache vs Thaxton) a "worthless domestic scrap". Is any fight "worthless" when a boxer with aspirations of glory puts his heart and soul on the line against a tough contender from overseas, even though a title is not involved? I have too much respect for fighters to call their bouts "worthless", but that's just me.

I'm going to have to stop coming on this forum for a while. I like to watch fights with result unknown (that, is, bout that I have recorded and haven't got around to watching) and someone is back to posting spoilers on every damned fight that took place anywhere in the world. I know, I shouldn't be on an internet forum if I don't want to know a particular result, so I'll stay away.

Nothing to do with our little discussion about visiting fighters, in your view, routinely getting robbed when they visit the UK.

Either visiting boxers are guaranteed an unfair deal in the UK, or they are NOT guaranteed an unfair deal.

I think one of us is clearly right and one of us is clearly wrong on this issue. I'll leave it up to forum posters to make up their own minds on this issue.

One thing I think we can both agree on: We are far apart on this issue and on boxing generally. Probably have a very different world view, as well.

Pretty easy to see that you're right.

Diddy gets crabby and (even more) irrational when fights don't go the way he thought they would. I'm assuming that he probably lost money here too.

koolkc107 wrote:

Butterbean wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:All this stuff about Dirrell being less than a man is quite amusing.

How did he get this rep with some of you?

Is it because he boxed Froch's ears off and got robbed of a decision he should have easily got?

Or is it because he was on the receiving end of one of the dirtiest fouls in recent boxing history, one that could have easily ended a career?

Yes, Andre did take his time coming back. Yes, some of what he said during the layoff sounded contradictory or like excuse making...but it also could be he was a guy still dealing with having his brains scrambled and his behavior and comments were a result of it.

But what the folks who want to call him effeminate and other unflattering things seem to not get is this:

He's back.

And he is slowly but surely increasing the level of his competition- unlike some other prominent boxers treated like sacred cows by some fans.

If Dirrell gets back to being the guy he was before that shameful foul, we could be looking at the only 168 pounder with a legit chance to beat Ward, which I felt he was before the foul.

Bullshit. From start to finish.

Really?

I thought Dirrell did himself proud today, even if it was in a losing effort.

If today is any judge, it is proof you dont know what you are talking about.

I agree to a point, he did himself proud to come back from the knock downs. He's a very good fighter and I'd pick him against most fighters.

digzee wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
Really?

I thought Dirrell did himself proud today, even if it was in a losing effort.

If today is any judge, it is proof you dont know what you are talking about.

I agree to a point, he did himself proud to come back from the knock downs. He's a very good fighter and I'd pick him against most fighters.

He got KD 2x, busted up in the nose and mouth, yet midway thru the fight Andre was the one carrying it.

I think this performance should, if there is any sense in the world, put all that "no heart" talk to rest.

Dirrell showed plenty.

diddy wrote:Bundu beat Gavin rather clearly. Crawford smoked Burns.

I'm talking about close decisions in fights that have world implications at the top level. Not worthless domestic scraps that don't involve much $.

I had Gavin beating Bundu by a round but it was close and I'm probably in the (slight) minority but even though a judges decision really shouldn't have an effect on a fighters ability, it does have an effect on their mindset not to mention their progress as far as opportunities are concerned

But what I will say is that 1loss on Frankie Gavin's record will have an effect on the way people see his fight with Brook,boxing fans who haven heard of Frankie will look at his record,see the L then automatically see it as a sure fire win for Kell,and take in the fact that thy haven't heard of Frankie Gavin,just fob it off as a mismatch

I've always been sceptical of people who go on about Gavin's gold medal at the worlds but there's is no doubt that's a handy thing to achieve,but all in all I think Brook beats Gavin because he's better,I only judge fighters on the pro exploits,not the fact that Gavin being the first and only Brit to win a gold medal at the worlds or the 1 defeat on his record,Imo he should still be unbeaten but he's still not in the class of Kell Brook

Can I just say that I'm pretty drunk and that post made sense when typing it although reading back im not sure if its even relevant to this topic

Texas is by far the worst place for judging for away fighters, Paulie vs Diaz was criminal. Unless Diddy is specifically talking about the hopeless UK ref CJ Ross

You had paulie winning vs Diaz 1???

Either you are influenced by commentators or you like amatuer boxing


All paulie did was pot shot all night long and while he clearly outlanded Diaz. The punches had no effect and Jain was stalking and backing paulie up when he landed

Sorry 9 of paulies shots weren't equal to 1 landed by Diaz in the first fight- they had no effect

If you land the harder shots and are walking through your opponents punches, you're winning the round

But yeah texas is notorious for some home cooking
- a few Rocky Juarez fights come to mind

Go rewatch paulie v Diaz 1.

Just watched highlights and the post fight

Besides Lennox butchering paulies name twice and paulie with his panties in a knot. It's clear who is the winner


Compubox is close. But Diaz. Way higher percentage. Diaz has cutie eyebrow, but face looks fine

Now look at paulies face. All swollen

I'm surprised noone has mentioned that Dirrell didn't look quite like the fighter he was before the layoff, I thought that was a big talking point before the fight about whether he would be the same guy. To me he was slightly more leaden of foot compared to the Froch version and he frequently looked disorganised against Degale's rushes. I think the old Dirrell could have avoided that wide, swinging hook that put him down.

Still, Degale did well, aside from the bemusing part of the fight when he fell asleep.

People talking of poor judging etc in specific countries and failed to mention the farce that we had to watch recently between Burns and Figeroua (correct spelling?)

The referee was the worst I have ever seen and the judges must have been on crack to score so wide.... God bless america.

Also the mention of how much money is involved in a fight earlier shouldnt come into it, if I were a novice professional then I would be wanting the same fair treatment as anybody else at the top of the game. If you put yourself between they ropes then you do so expecting to be treated fairly, best man wins etc.

Jamie McDonnel, James Degale have both recently been in close fights recently in the US and have both been given the correct decision (my opinion) but the ocassional piece of good officiating doesnt make the US the fairest place to box in the world. Every country has their good and bad nights when it goes to the cards. Burns V Beltran, Burns v Figeroua being amongst the worst I have seen in recent times and they were both in different parts of the world so..... Shit happens.

koolkc107 wrote:

digzee wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
Really?

I thought Dirrell did himself proud today, even if it was in a losing effort.

If today is any judge, it is proof you dont know what you are talking about.

I agree to a point, he did himself proud to come back from the knock downs. He's a very good fighter and I'd pick him against most fighters.

He got KD 2x, busted up in the nose and mouth, yet midway thru the fight Andre was the one carrying it.

I think this performance should, if there is any sense in the world, put all that "no heart" talk to rest.

Dirrell showed plenty.

I agree, I imagined that Dirrell would look for a way out but he kept looking for a way back into the fight, Direl showed himself to be a tough competitor, I thought DeGale had nearly blown it.

this all seems a bit petty. i was surprised degale got the decision, brook too for his fight. i think they both won in quite close fights where you would expect the judges to give it to the home fighter. all countries, germany , uk and usa , have had their fair share of shocking home town decisions, italy , usually being the worst offender....so its nice , and a bit surprising , to see a fight scored more or less correctly.
both degale and dirrell now have a lot of respect for each other, so that tells you that it was a good close fight... and we should all applaud that. degale won the title , but dirrell put to bed the idea that somehow he doesnt have the heart. two excellent fighters, who will be involved in some top fights in the future.

jimcook wrote:this all seems a bit petty. i was surprised degale got the decision, brook too for his fight. i think they both won in quite close fights where you would expect the judges to give it to the home fighter. all countries, germany , uk and usa , have had their fair share of shocking home town decisions, italy , usually being the worst offender....so its nice , and a bit surprising , to see a fight scored more or less correctly.
both degale and dirrell now have a lot of respect for each other, so that tells you that it was a good close fight... and we should all applaud that. degale won the title , but dirrell put to bed the idea that somehow he doesnt have the heart. two excellent fighters, who will be involved in some top fights in the future.

I agree, I think both men buried skeletons yesterday.

DeGale became the 1st Briton to win Olympic gold and a professional world title.

Dirrell proved that theories about him being heartless or gutless where patently false.

Both men now huge players at 168.

Just rewatched again with sound off.

Dirrell was on his way to winning that 2nd round before he got dropped. And questionably dropped again. 4 pt swing that round and obviously decided the result. All in 1 round. Too bad for Dirrell. Thought he fought quite well. One round cost him everything.

Also props to Dirrell for fighting on the front foot and making it an aesthetically pleasing viewing experience as opposed to that slop fest Groves and DeGale put on where Groves ran 300 laps around the ring.

I WAS WRONG.

In the forum world, I deserve everything coming my way.

Thank you.

diddy wrote:Also props to Dirrell for fighting on the front foot and making it an aesthetically pleasing viewing experience as opposed to that slop fest Groves and DeGale put on where Groves ran 300 laps around the ring.

Why do you despise the UK? it seems you have not been gracious in defeat. .. Instead of mentioning how well direll fought back after a heavy knockdown, your seemingly transfixed into slating UK fighters. Even To the point where you're crying out for ward to set right the injustice of a UK fighter winning in America....

I am respectful of people on forums for the broad spectrum of opinions however yours seems not to be an opinion but a resentment.

Ignore Diddy, he'll get over it and get back to his normally polite, respectful self soon enough.

Could have a nice little era unfolding here with degale champ, groves a likely champ, fielding and smith hot on their heels, froch still floating around and possible move ups for golovkin and lee, looking forward to watching it unfold !

Lenny Cravats wrote:Ignore Diddy, he'll get over it and get back to his normally polite, respectful self soon enough.

The trouble was both fighters had to change their usual Style, due to the clash. degale was working to a plan with the swinging overhand left. Direll having to fight on the front foot. it wasn a great fight but a close and pretty entertaining one.

Was impressed by how Direll fought back though overall chunky did enough just to win