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koolkc107 wrote:

Badhusker wrote:This is all you need now:

Floyd - W
Manny - L

Now, hopefully both will retire. No more shouldergate crap.

You smarter than that, 'Husker.

They settin' up the okey-doke one more 'gain.

The might make only half the money but it is still a goldmine.

They will fight next year, Cinco de Mayo.

With Floyd going for 50-0

Pureist wrote:lots missed this round 6, from countdown timer, 2.50 floyd lands right, 1.21 floyd scored punch but pacquaio rolled under and it missed, 1.11 pacquaio landed 3 bodyshots not scored, 1.07 right hook for pacquaio not scored, 102 floyd lands jab not scored, 48 floyd lands body shot pacquaio lands left hand both not scored, 46 floyd lands jab not scored, 43 floyd lands jab not scored, 42 pacquaio lands left to body not scored, 41pacquaio lands right uppercut not scored, 35 floyd lands jab not scored, 24 floyd lands jab not scored, 20floyd lands jab not scored, 16 pacquaio lands left not scored, 6 floyd lands jab not scored, ends even round on punches. pacquio landing harder punches, coming forward scoring

koolkc107 wrote:Anyone who wants to score the fight for themselves in slow mo can pull up the fight on youtube.

They have controls where you can watch half-speed, quarter speed etc.

I did this and found Compubox accurate for this fight, although I readily concede that is not always the case.

Punches landed on the back of the head do not count; punches landed on the gloves and arms are considered blocked and don't count; punches landed on the back or below the belt don't count.

I can only assume that those getting different numbers from Compubox in this fight are mistakenly counting some of these kinds of punches in their totals.

jezzamundo wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Anyone who wants to score the fight for themselves in slow mo can pull up the fight on youtube.

They have controls where you can watch half-speed, quarter speed etc.

I did this and found Compubox accurate for this fight, although I readily concede that is not always the case.

Punches landed on the back of the head do not count; punches landed on the gloves and arms are considered blocked and don't count; punches landed on the back or below the belt don't count.

I can only assume that those getting different numbers from Compubox in this fight are mistakenly counting some of these kinds of punches in their totals.

I've seen you post this a few times now, but this doesn't address why most of the revisionist punch stats have Manny landing a similar amount of punches to the official compubox and Floyd landing far less.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Anyone who wants to score the fight for themselves in slow mo can pull up the fight on youtube.

They have controls where you can watch half-speed, quarter speed etc.

I did this and found Compubox accurate for this fight, although I readily concede that is not always the case.

Punches landed on the back of the head do not count; punches landed on the gloves and arms are considered blocked and don't count; punches landed on the back or below the belt don't count.

I can only assume that those getting different numbers from Compubox in this fight are mistakenly counting some of these kinds of punches in their totals.

I've seen you post this a few times now, but this doesn't address why most of the revisionist punch stats have Manny landing a similar amount of punches to the official compubox and Floyd landing far less.

It's a reverse of Ali's "phantom punch". When the shots are slowed down enough, they disappear.

Exactly Bobby. The viral 'punch count' video posted by Manny Pacquiao is full of phantom punches. The only way this fight is scored for Pacquiao is by awarding them. Thanks Pureist. I must have missed your punch count for Round 6. I'll comb this thread for them now.

ruin795 wrote:I am not sure what you are saying. The first 6 rounds were close and I had Manny up 4-2 after them. The rest of the fight I gave Mayweather and finished with an 8-4 score. I am NOT a Manny fan. I rewatched the fight and thought that maybe the 12 could have gone to Manny and then I have 7-5. HOWEVER I am completely changing how I score fights. Because the idiots on these threads want to give so much credit to boxers who are boring. Here it is: if you jab jab and then run.. YOU SCORED ZERO POINTS. I am now deducting points for running. People need to stop with the bullcrap. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE JAB JAB RUN... JAB JAB HOLD... If someone does that and the other throws 2x punches and it hits them in the arms and shoulders they won the round. They were aggressive and ineffective aggression >>>> NO aggression. YOU PEOPLE ARE KILLING BOXING WTH YOUR BORING SCORING. THATS NOT BOXING. Ask Joe Frazier or Evander Holyfield or George Foreman.

NateJR wrote:

ruin795 wrote:I am not sure what you are saying. The first 6 rounds were close and I had Manny up 4-2 after them. The rest of the fight I gave Mayweather and finished with an 8-4 score. I am NOT a Manny fan. I rewatched the fight and thought that maybe the 12 could have gone to Manny and then I have 7-5. HOWEVER I am completely changing how I score fights. Because the idiots on these threads want to give so much credit to boxers who are boring. Here it is: if you jab jab and then run.. YOU SCORED ZERO POINTS. I am now deducting points for running. People need to stop with the bullcrap. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE JAB JAB RUN... JAB JAB HOLD... If someone does that and the other throws 2x punches and it hits them in the arms and shoulders they won the round. They were aggressive and ineffective aggression >>>> NO aggression. YOU PEOPLE ARE KILLING BOXING WTH YOUR BORING SCORING. THATS NOT BOXING. Ask Joe Frazier or Evander Holyfield or George Foreman.

Landed jabs are scoring punches, punches on the shoulders and arms are not. Floyd landed a lot of jabs in this fight and very effective jabs that kept Pacquiao at bay the entire fight. Pacquiao was aggressive out of desperation, but he wasn't finding any success, that's why he wasn't aggressive for the majority of the fight. Floyd would simply roll off the ropes and go right back to the middle of the ring and take control right back as soon as Pacquiao tried to be aggressive, or Floyd would clinch to take away his rhythm. That is ring generalship, which is also scored in boxing. That is 100% boxing at it's absolute finest. The people claiming Floyd held the entire fight are exaggerating a lot as well, there wasn't that much clinching in that fight like people claim there was, especially in the second half of the fight.

NateJR wrote:If what Floyd does isn't boxing, what is? Fighting at range where you can be effective and your opponent can't be isn't boxing? Getting off the ropes using lateral movement when you're opponent is trying to punch you in the face isn't boxing? Clinching to take away your opponents rhythm isn't boxing? Using your jab isn't boxing? Countering isn't boxing? Head movement isn't boxing? Floyd does all of the above and are the fundamentals of boxing.

It seems like Floyd has simplified boxing and his style is so sublime that he makes it look too easy. It's almost like Floyd makes it look so easy that people just don't understand what he's doing and can't process perfection. I'm not saying Floyd is perfect in the ring, but as far as boxing, what Floyd does in the ring is brilliance. You either don't understand what he's doing or admire what he does mainly due to the consistency and poise he shows in the ring. If you can't call what Floyd does "boxing", you should really be following another sport.

Hotspurx wrote:Hey Jezz,

I've long known Compubox was a pile of shite.

I can only tell you that I'm 1 of those sad bastard's who've reviewed this bout in slow-mo. Unlike most however, I gave Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt on a multitude of shots -- That is shots on the blind side of the camera. After doing so, I still found Floyd the victor.

Perhaps I'll elaborate on this on this if Pureist ever produces his mythical punch statistics.

Pureist wrote:So far I have done rounds 2,3,4 and 6 from the slo mo punch count tape, I slowed that to 1/4 speed and any punches still in question I checked 3-4 times, my punch stats are absolutely spot on

fergusg wrote:Some of the remarks posted on this thread have been submitted by deeply disturbed individuals possessing a mild form of keyboard Tourette’s syndrome, which compels them to write-up insanely idiotic posts, whereby their rambling incoherent comments cannot be regarded as remotely close to anything that could possibly be considered a rational thought!

I'm sure that some of these people are either the visually-impaired or are those poor members of society, formerly known as Pactards, suffering from an extreme form of post-Mayweather deeply distressed and saddened disorder, compelling them to possess insanely irrational thoughts and an appallingly deluded recollection of events!

The nature of these extremely bizarre and irrational posts provides an utterly compelling argument about there being quite a lot of troubled people that use this forum that requires an urgent and immediate need to receive help from professionally-trained mental healthcare specialists!

Some of the comments I’ve been reading strongly suggests that there are several BoxRec forum members lacking in mental capacity and should be retained against their will in secure institutions that will ensure their absurd anti-social behaviour does not upset or threaten innocent unsuspecting members of society!

I’m sure that every single person that uses this forum are now dumber for having read so many moronic posts. I award these troubled individuals no kudos and may god have mercy on their soul!

Pureist wrote:Why, they will be on here anyway, listing time of punch, what punch was landed and by who, these dicks that think that compubox was accurate are right off

NateJR wrote:If what Floyd does isn't boxing, what is? Fighting at range where you can be effective and your opponent can't be isn't boxing? Getting off the ropes using lateral movement when you're opponent is trying to punch you in the face isn't boxing? Clinching to take away your opponents rhythm isn't boxing? Using your jab isn't boxing? Countering isn't boxing? Head movement isn't boxing? Floyd does all of the above and are the fundamentals of boxing.

It seems like Floyd has simplified boxing and his style is so sublime that he makes it look too easy. It's almost like Floyd makes it look so easy that people just don't understand what he's doing and can't process perfection. I'm not saying Floyd is perfect in the ring, but as far as boxing, what Floyd does in the ring is brilliance. You either don't understand what he's doing or admire what he does mainly due to the consistency and poise he shows in the ring. If you can't call what Floyd does "boxing", you should really be following another sport.

Pureist wrote:Don't know what you don't understand kbb, this punch count is accurate that I'm doing, anytime I've listed in each round so far there will be a punch landed for the nominated fighter, Floyd got the decision, I said a draw or 1 round either way, total domination is ridiculous, an honest and accurate breakdown of the footage will actually show that, it will show how compubox are fantasy stats and that either judges should be more alert, not from the same country of origin of the fighters or personally know any of the fighters