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Got to be in that ball park.

mickey1975 wrote:It's a huge ask, we've known that all along. But he will do better than Haye. And come home a rich man, all for a kid who just hits himself in the face...Dad and uncle out of jail, 3.5m, it's all turned out well!

I'm so on the fence about this one... At first glance you think "Naaah mate, no chance" but then you think about Fury's development over the last few years--learning how to maul & hold (a must for any massive heavyweight in today's era), his increasing ability to fight southpaw (Corrie Sanders would like to say "Hello!")--& combine it with his frankly astonishing mobility & handspeed for such a big lump, & I start to ponder...

Also, you've got to take into account how Klitschko fights against big guys: he is content to sit in a jabbing contest, move laterally around the outside & wait for his sparingly delivered but heavier artillery to wear guys down. Wach, Thompson, McCline, these dudes couldn't keep up a high enough workrate to counteract the force of the shots coming back at them (or weren't willing to accept the increased punishment striving to do so would open them up for), but none of them were as big as Fury or imo as quick.

Despite what people are saying, I don't think a gung-ho, KO-the-bastard approach is a good idea, Wlad loves it when you charge to him (look at the mess he made of Pulev, who got carried away after his initial success & was basically fvcked after getting hit with that first big left hook). But if (enormous if) Fury can maintain the workrate in the face of getting hit & hurt more than anyone's ever hit & hurt him before, & it goes some rounds, then Klitschko might start to look like a dude pushing forty... & then, who knows?

Also, Tyson's not the only one fond of uppercutting himself in the mooey:

Datsue wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:It's a huge ask, we've known that all along. But he will do better than Haye. And come home a rich man, all for a kid who just hits himself in the face...Dad and uncle out of jail, 3.5m, it's all turned out well!

I'm so on the fence about this one... At first glance you think "Naaah mate, no chance" but then you think about Fury's development over the last few years--learning how to maul & hold (a must for any massive heavyweight in today's era), his increasing ability to fight southpaw (Corrie Sanders would like to say "Hello!")--& combine it with his frankly astonishing mobility & handspeed for such a big lump, & I start to ponder...

Also, you've got to take into account how Klitschko fights against big guys: he is content to sit in a jabbing contest, move laterally around the outside & wait for his sparingly delivered but heavier artillery to wear guys down. Wach, Thompson, McCline, these dudes couldn't keep up a high enough workrate to counteract the force of the shots coming back at them (or weren't willing to accept the increased punishment striving to do so would open them up for), but none of them were as big as Fury or imo as quick.

Despite what people are saying, I don't think a gung-ho, KO-the-bastard approach is a good idea, Wlad loves it when you charge to him (look at the mess he made of Pulev, who got carried away after his initial success & was basically fvcked after getting hit with that first big left hook). But if (enormous if) Fury can maintain the workrate in the face of getting hit & hurt more than anyone's ever hit & hurt him before, & it goes some rounds, then Klitschko might start to look like a dude pushing forty... & then, who knows?

Also, Tyson's not the only one fond of uppercutting himself in the mooey:

Yes, that's the way I see it. Fury has to keep the shots coming, be prepared to get hit back hard, and stick to the game plan, in the hope that he can push Wlad hard enough to cause his stamina to go.

Wlad's stamina hasn't improved, he's still a huge big muscular lump, and he's older now, but he has developed a style that enables him to work at a pace that suits him, nobody has been able to take him out of the style for the best part of a decade now - and it's a big ask for Fury to be that guy.

That would be my advice if I was the tactician for the fight - there's no easy wins for Fury here - all routes are hard, but that one gives him a slim chance. As you say, a face first assault, will result in a face down nap for Fury.

Thank you James.

Fury hasnt fought any top ranked fighter. he averages one fight a year.

he's going to understand what that equates to round about the 3rd or 4th round.

funso banjo baby wrote:Fury hasnt fought any top ranked fighter.

He has though, so you are wrong.

funso banjo baby wrote:he averages one fight a year.

Way off.

What were you thinking when you wrote that awful post?

Datsue wrote:Thank you James.

good posts

Fury is going to get hammered. He might be taller than Klit but does not use his height all that well, Klit will win the battle of jabs easy, he will keep Fury on the backfoot most of the night. I expect Klit to fight aggressively from the get go, pushing Fury back, sticking him with stiff powerful jabs and hard right hands. I cannot see anyway in which Fury wins, i will be surprised if he is even somehwat competative. If he makes it to the final bell that will be a small victory in itself IMO cause he is getting mullered in this fight, no doubt about it IMO.

Betway go 6/5 on Klit to win by KO or disqualification - you know it makes sense.

ALI wrote:Fury is going to get hammered. He might be taller than Klit but does not use his height all that well, Klit will win the battle of jabs easy, he will keep Fury on the backfoot most of the night. I expect Klit to fight aggressively from the get go, pushing Fury back, sticking him with stiff powerful jabs and hard right hands. I cannot see anyway in which Fury wins, i will be surprised if he is even somehwat competative. If he makes it to the final bell that will be a small victory in itself IMO cause he is getting mullered in this fight, no doubt about it IMO.

Betway go 6/5 on Klit to win by KO or disqualification - you know it makes sense.

Have you watched him fight at all in the last decade?

expe wrote:

ALI wrote:Fury is going to get hammered. He might be taller than Klit but does not use his height all that well, Klit will win the battle of jabs easy, he will keep Fury on the backfoot most of the night. I expect Klit to fight aggressively from the get go, pushing Fury back, sticking him with stiff powerful jabs and hard right hands. I cannot see anyway in which Fury wins, i will be surprised if he is even somehwat competative. If he makes it to the final bell that will be a small victory in itself IMO cause he is getting mullered in this fight, no doubt about it IMO.

Betway go 6/5 on Klit to win by KO or disqualification - you know it makes sense.

Have you watched him fight at all in the last decade?

Yes, all of them, name me one where he was not the agressor, i bet you cant. You may not like his style but he always presses the action, and with a big gangly lump like Fury he will be more aggressive than normal IMO, i wont be surprised at all if he stops him within 4 rounds.

ALI wrote:

expe wrote:

ALI wrote:Fury is going to get hammered. He might be taller than Klit but does not use his height all that well, Klit will win the battle of jabs easy, he will keep Fury on the backfoot most of the night. I expect Klit to fight aggressively from the get go, pushing Fury back, sticking him with stiff powerful jabs and hard right hands. I cannot see anyway in which Fury wins, i will be surprised if he is even somehwat competative. If he makes it to the final bell that will be a small victory in itself IMO cause he is getting mullered in this fight, no doubt about it IMO.

Betway go 6/5 on Klit to win by KO or disqualification - you know it makes sense.

Have you watched him fight at all in the last decade?

Yes, all of them, name me one where he was not the agressor, i bet you cant. You may not like his style but he always presses the action, and with a big gangly lump like Fury he will be more aggressive than normal IMO, i wont be surprised at all if he stops him within 4 rounds.

If you've actually watched him then you'd know he won't come out aggressively, usually takes him a couple of rounds before he throws anything other than the jab and the occasional right hand. He's taken out two opponents inside 4 rounds in a decade, Mormeck, a shot cruiserweight and Ray Austin back in 2007. Even Pianeta and Leapai lasted longer than that, unless Fury comes out and goes for him he'll go at least 7-8 rounds. Wlad is about as cautious as they come, especially early on, he doesn't take risks, the idea of taking one to land one doesn't even cross his mind.

expe wrote:

ALI wrote:
Yes, all of them, name me one where he was not the agressor, i bet you cant. You may not like his style but he always presses the action, and with a big gangly lump like Fury he will be more aggressive than normal IMO, i wont be surprised at all if he stops him within 4 rounds.

If you've actually watched him then you'd know he won't come out aggressively, usually takes him a couple of rounds before he throws anything other than the jab and the occasional right hand. He's taken out two opponents inside 4 rounds in a decade, Mormeck, a shot cruiserweight and Ray Austin back in 2007. Even Pianeta and Leapai lasted longer than that, unless Fury comes out and goes for him he'll go at least 7-8 rounds. Wlad is about as cautious as they come, especially early on, he doesn't take risks, the idea of taking one to land one doesn't even cross his mind.

Go watch the first round of Klitschko v Wach, then come back and apologise.

My prediction for the fight is Wlad by KO anywhere between 7 & 12, but i wont be surprised if he goes early, thats all i'm saying.

Expect a more aggressive start than normal from Wlad, you'll see come fight night.

One of the things Wlad does best is to make the fight happen at his pace, while taking the middle of the ring.

I really think Fury will struggle to change that.

keithmoonhangover wrote:One of the things Wlad does best is to make the fight happen at his pace, while taking the middle of the ring.

I really think Fury will struggle to change that.

He wont change that. Wlad will hold the centre of the ring. Wlad will dictate the pace.

ALI wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:One of the things Wlad does best is to make the fight happen at his pace, while taking the middle of the ring.

I really think Fury will struggle to change that.

He wont change that. Wlad will hold the centre of the ring. Wlad will dictate the pace.

If that happens, Fury's won't be able to beat Wlad unless he puts him on the floor.

It's interesting how wlad was once viewed as so fragile and mentally shot after Saunders and Brewster. Now you'd think he had zero vulnerabilities. It's a massive credit to how he's turned it around. He was well vulnerable.

I am well up for this one. Dusseldorf is a good lash and provides a sound opportunity for some mongering on the side.

I`ll Probably go for decent tickets. Last time I was at a big stadium fight I went cheap tickets and could hardly see anything.

C`mon the Fury.

keithmoonhangover wrote:
If that happens, Fury's won't be able to beat Wlad unless he puts him on the floor.

i have an image in my mind of 7 vest-clad gypsies mob-tackling Wlad post-fight (there will be one solitary voice in the background shouting 'it was a straight go now, boys, fair play now boys')

Fury Clan vs Vitali, that would be PPY-worthy. I bet Vitali doesn't bring no knives to no gunfight

far as british boxing goes, this is a huge event, but in reality, this fight is close to a mis-match. discarding the purrity loss, the only fighters to trouble wlad have been big punchers. but even they couldnt keep him down with one shot. nothing tyson does, or has ever shown to do, will remotely bother the champion, and fury has been put over by far lesser punchers than klitschko. wlads stamina issues are an issue no longer, and i see no possible way fury can be competitive, let alone win.

klitschko rounds 4-6 ko. id go for furys corner to pull him out early, but i can see a one punch finish here.

Can't see Peter or his dad pulling him out.

Although I don't think Fury has virtually any chance of winning, it would be superb to see him as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. He'd definitely get people talking about the division again, especially if they followed his Twitter account.

mike john wrote:far as british boxing goes, this is a huge event, but in reality, this fight is close to a mis-match. discarding the purrity loss, the only fighters to trouble wlad have been big punchers. but even they couldnt keep him down with one shot. nothing tyson does, or has ever shown to do, will remotely bother the champion, and fury has been put over by far lesser punchers than klitschko. wlads stamina issues are an issue no longer, and i see no possible way fury can be competitive, let alone win.

klitschko rounds 4-6 ko. id go for furys corner to pull him out early, but i can see a one punch finish here.

just how i see it.

stevieb_8006 wrote:It's interesting how wlad was once viewed as so fragile and mentally shot after Saunders and Brewster. Now you'd think he had zero vulnerabilities. It's a massive credit to how he's turned it around. He was well vulnerable.

Spot on

stevieb_8006 wrote:It's interesting how wlad was once viewed as so fragile and mentally shot after Saunders and Brewster. Now you'd think he had zero vulnerabilities. It's a massive credit to how he's turned it around. He was well vulnerable.

For a big guy who cant really fight on the inside he has done well. I'm a bit of both in that the era is poor but he has done well to be champ for so long.

Fury is up against it in Germany but he has as good a chance as those before him. If he loses narrowly he will be back bigger and better. He's only 26 I think still a baby!

ThereByTheGrace wrote:

stevieb_8006 wrote:It's interesting how wlad was once viewed as so fragile and mentally shot after Saunders and Brewster. Now you'd think he had zero vulnerabilities. It's a massive credit to how he's turned it around. He was well vulnerable.

For a big guy who cant really fight on the inside he has done well. I'm a bit of both in that the era is poor but he has done well to be champ for so long.

Fury is up against it in Germany but he has as good a chance as those before him. If he loses narrowly he will be back bigger and better. He's only 26 I think still a baby!

I think he's an old 26 though. On average, it's young for a sportsman but i think he's one of those that will age faster. Purely my own opinion and not based on anything other than a hunch and the assumption that he's been around his size since at least 13/14