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Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 24 Sep 2015, 12:46
by Ilya Muromets
Tony1244 wrote:Bobbyptsd wrote:I remember threads from like two years ago. "Just wait", they said.
I'm still waiting, and I'll still be waiting after this.
Sometime in 2016 Wilder will likely fight Povetkin or Wlad, and then the wait may be over.
Ha! I'll believe that when I see it! How about he fights someone in the top 10 - or top 20 - or top 30 first. This guy he's supposed to be fighting now is ranked #34.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 24 Sep 2015, 13:18
by asdfjkl
TBH I think Wlad is not even interested in a fight against him, Wlad usually only fights the guy he thinks is the best of the world at that moment next to himself.
Povetkin will fight him, but not because he's any good, but just for that price.
Povetkin might get a second chance against Klitschko, unless Anthony Joshua is ready for either of them at that time.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 24 Sep 2015, 13:57
by man
asdfjkl wrote:TBH I think Wlad is not even interested in a fight against him, Wlad usually only fights the guy he thinks is the best of the world at that moment next to himself.
Povetkin will fight him, but not because he's any good, but just for that price.
Povetkin might get a second chance against Klitschko, unless Anthony Joshua is ready for either of them at that time.
i re-watched the povetkin fight the other night
and i must say wlad should be deducted more
point especially in the early going. he grabs and
leans right after throwing and does so until his
opponent is tired. should be punished. take away
two points in the first two and you are in for a
different fight.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 24 Sep 2015, 14:14
by Tony1244
man wrote:asdfjkl wrote:TBH I think Wlad is not even interested in a fight against him, Wlad usually only fights the guy he thinks is the best of the world at that moment next to himself.
Povetkin will fight him, but not because he's any good, but just for that price.
Povetkin might get a second chance against Klitschko, unless Anthony Joshua is ready for either of them at that time.
i re-watched the povetkin fight the other night
and i must say wlad should be deducted more
point especially in the early going. he grabs and
leans right after throwing and does so until his
opponent is tired. should be punished. take away
two points in the first two and you are in for a
different fight.
They let Wlad get away with too much, just like they let Ali get away with too much holding particularly in Ali-Frazier 2 & 3, and the Ali-Foreman fight.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 01:00
by Ilya Muromets
I watched a few rounds of Duhaupas vs. Charr. D doesn't look bad at all. Takes a punch well. Moves around. Hits pretty hard. He's much better than the last guy this so-called world heavyweight champion fought, and at one point it looked like that guy was about to knock him out. So if this fight is legit - a big if - and D hasn't been paid to fall down, and he avoids getting caught by a big punch - another big if - he might beat him and become the new phony world heavyweight champion.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 01:05
by Evander
Hard to get excited when an early round stoppage is expected.
Takes the unknown out of it.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 03:08
by diddy
Duhaupas sucks. Looking good against Charr is like the equivalent of being the intelligent kid on the short bus.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 03:10
by diddy
Tony1244 wrote:Wilder-Duhaupas is a joke but Mayweather-Berto and Briggs-Marrone were serious? I got ya.
shannon briggs does not exist anymore
in world class heavy weight boxing. what
he does has as much relevance as what
roy jones is doing.
floyd mayweather has a career of almost
two decades with dozens of world class
fights. he fought quite a number of top
opponents in recent years.
but you know what, i stop right here, you
are entitled to your opinion. won't argue
with you no more. you think wilder-duha
is equivalent to floyd-berto, so be it QUOTE: man
Mayweather-Berto: Every single solitary REAL boxing fan on this planet KNEW Mayweather-Berto would be a very boring unanimous shutout decision for Mayweather. Everyone knew that.
At least with Wilder-Duhaupas, there is some mystery. Wilder could get rocked again. Could be an early KO. Could be a late KO.
Of course Mayweather is far superior to Wilder on any P4P list. That was never even debated.
We agree on Briggs 100%.
If you want to debate - great. If you don't want to argue, there are plenty of people online to debate anything with.
Oh yea sure. Such great mystery here. Mayweather was -2500 vs Berto. Wilder is -3500 against Duhaupas. Great fight !!
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 03:12
by diddy
asdfjkl wrote:x2x wrote:asdfjkl wrote:...
Edit: Also, Manuel Charr really ain't that special, even in Germany they call him a big loser.
...
Yes, a very big loser. He was shot, in case you haven't heard.
That has nothing to deal with his performance in the ring over the past few years, he performed bad in the ring, I don't care what happens outside of it.
wesshaw1985 wrote:
Briggs Vs. Danny Williams who wins?
Briggs, I have no doubt about that actually, Danny is a rank 350 ish guy, Briggs is making fun of rank 250 ish guys.
Duhaupas got like a 30% chance, but Duhaupas probably will have to continue to work as a manufacturer of safes and mailboxes, he's not a real pro you know. Unlike in close near all Duhaupas his boxing matches before I do support him this time.
For me, Washington is still a bigger talent as Deontay Wilder is.
30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 03:54
by Bard of Boxrec
diddy wrote:
30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
I put him about 30 per cent. If he is tough and game and can stand up to some of Wilder's swinging shots, he can land some and has a chance. Hell, that last scrub Deontay fought ROCKED him in the third round with a left hook. I wouldn't be surprised to see Duhaupas land punches on Wilder's crude ass. Deontay is not an accomplished fighter.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 09:12
by Tony1244
diddy wrote:Tony1244 wrote:Wilder-Duhaupas is a joke but Mayweather-Berto and Briggs-Marrone were serious? I got ya.
shannon briggs does not exist anymore
in world class heavy weight boxing. what
he does has as much relevance as what
roy jones is doing.
floyd mayweather has a career of almost
two decades with dozens of world class
fights. he fought quite a number of top
opponents in recent years.
but you know what, i stop right here, you
are entitled to your opinion. won't argue
with you no more. you think wilder-duha
is equivalent to floyd-berto, so be it QUOTE: man
Mayweather-Berto: Every single solitary REAL boxing fan on this planet KNEW Mayweather-Berto would be a very boring unanimous shutout decision for Mayweather. Everyone knew that.
At least with Wilder-Duhaupas, there is some mystery. Wilder could get rocked again. Could be an early KO. Could be a late KO.
Of course Mayweather is far superior to Wilder on any P4P list. That was never even debated.
We agree on Briggs 100%.
If you want to debate - great. If you don't want to argue, there are plenty of people online to debate anything with.
Oh yea sure. Such great mystery here. Mayweather was -2500 vs Berto. Wilder is -3500 against Duhaupas. Great fight !!
What round will Wilder/Duhaupas end in? Will Wilder get slightly rocked again? You don't know the answer to either question. Hello? But if you know anything about boxing you'd know May-Berto was going to go the distance and be a may shutout.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 10:07
by asdfjkl
diddy wrote:
30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
The bookmakers make me rich, one of them offered 11 times my money back, sounds like a very fair deal to me.
Wilder got the odds, but really not by that much, he never faced a European boxer before in his life and Americans allways struggle against European boxers, even against boxers who clearly got a worser record.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 10:15
by Datsue
asdfjkl wrote:diddy wrote:
30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
The bookmakers make me rich, one of them offered 11 times my money back, sounds like a very fair deal to me.
Wilder got the odds, but really not by that much, he never faced a European boxer before in his life and Americans allways struggle against European boxers, even against boxers who clearly got a worser record.
This is either the most stupid thing I've heard all day or a really, really bad attempt at trolling.
For instance, I'm quite certain Sugar Ray Leonard flattened Dave Boy Green & Mayweather did the same to Hatton & also that sweeping generalisations about national characteristics in sporting events (& indeed, mostly outside too) say more about the character flaws of the individual making the statement than the thing they're ostensibly speaking about.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 10:26
by asdfjkl
Datsue wrote:asdfjkl wrote:diddy wrote:
30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
The bookmakers make me rich, one of them offered 11 times my money back, sounds like a very fair deal to me.
Wilder got the odds, but really not by that much, he never faced a European boxer before in his life and Americans allways struggle against European boxers, even against boxers who clearly got a worser record.
This is either the most stupid thing I've heard all day or a really, really bad attempt at trolling.
For instance, I'm quite certain Sugar Ray Leonard flattened Dave Boy Green & Mayweather did the same to Hatton & also that sweeping generalisations about national characteristics in sporting events (& indeed, mostly outside too) say more about the character flaws of the individual making the statement than the thing they're ostensibly speaking about.
Go ahead, name me a few random good American boxers and I'll show you.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 10:55
by Datsue
asdfjkl wrote:Datsue wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
The bookmakers make me rich, one of them offered 11 times my money back, sounds like a very fair deal to me.
Wilder got the odds, but really not by that much, he never faced a European boxer before in his life and Americans allways struggle against European boxers, even against boxers who clearly got a worser record.
This is either the most stupid thing I've heard all day or a really, really bad attempt at trolling.
For instance, I'm quite certain Sugar Ray Leonard flattened Dave Boy Green & Mayweather did the same to Hatton & also that sweeping generalisations about national characteristics in sporting events (& indeed, mostly outside too) say more about the character flaws of the individual making the statement than the thing they're ostensibly speaking about.
Go ahead, name me a few random good American boxers and I'll show you.
Are you mental? I named two already! & who can forget that titanic struggle DLH had with Patrick Charpentier? Pernell Whitaker beating the ever-living shite out of Gary Jacobs?
Taking it down a few (dozen) levels, what about Keith Thurman winning every second of every round vs Leonard Bundu? & what about Demetrius Andrade? Really struggled against Brian Rose, didn't he? Apart from dominating him & knocking him out, like.
Like I said, you're either very stupid or trolling clumsily. But enough to get me to point & laugh at you, so I suppose you've achieved something this afternoon.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 10:57
by Counter-puncher
if he is a troll he's got a spectacular line in ingenuousness
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:02
by Ilya Muromets
Riddick Blowe wrote:diddy wrote:
30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
I put him about 30 per cent. If he is tough and game and can stand up to some of Wilder's swinging shots, he can land some and has a chance. Hell, that last scrub Deontay fought ROCKED him in the third round with a left hook. I wouldn't be surprised to see Duhaupas land punches on Wilder's crude ass. Deontay is not an accomplished fighter.
That's why I said I'm doubtful the fight will be legit, that is D won't be getting paid to fall down on the floor asap. The last tomato can looked like he was about to KO their "world heavyweight champion" at one point, until he backed off, and D is a much better fighter than he was, so I don't think that Wilder's handlers want to take any more chances with their cash cow, especially not on tv, not until they can cash out on him in a big money fight.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:27
by diddy
asdfjkl wrote:diddy wrote:
30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
The bookmakers make me rich, one of them offered 11 times my money back, sounds like a very fair deal to me.
Wilder got the odds, but really not by that much, he never faced a European boxer before in his life and Americans allways struggle against European boxers, even against boxers who clearly got a worser record.
Americans always struggle against euros. Oh totally. Always. Every time. Everyone listen to this guy! He's onto something! He's on something alright. Drugs.
Duhaupas blows.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:30
by asdfjkl
Datsue wrote:
Are you mental? I named two already! & who can forget that titanic struggle DLH had with Patrick Charpentier? Pernell Whitaker beating the ever-living shite out of Gary Jacobs?
Taking it down a few (dozen) levels, what about Keith Thurman winning every second of every round vs Leonard Bundu? & what about Demetrius Andrade? Really struggled against Brian Rose, didn't he? Apart from dominating him & knocking him out, like.
Like I said, you're either very stupid or trolling clumsily. But enough to get me to point & laugh at you, so I suppose you've achieved something this afternoon.
Lol are you mental? I may hope you understand I wasn't talking about drugsusing dwarfs, but after real boxers, boxers that are bigger, stronger and taller as... Well let's say me for example. I have no idea who the dwarfs are you're talking about, but since nobody I know is that small and actually healthy, I guess you're probably right about the dwarfs, we simply don't have any so we can't let them fight either.
There might be some people in your country who are that small, but even the best American dwarf would lose against any random European guy.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:34
by diddy
asdfjkl wrote:Datsue wrote:
Are you mental? I named two already! & who can forget that titanic struggle DLH had with Patrick Charpentier? Pernell Whitaker beating the ever-living shite out of Gary Jacobs?
Taking it down a few (dozen) levels, what about Keith Thurman winning every second of every round vs Leonard Bundu? & what about Demetrius Andrade? Really struggled against Brian Rose, didn't he? Apart from dominating him & knocking him out, like.
Like I said, you're either very stupid or trolling clumsily. But enough to get me to point & laugh at you, so I suppose you've achieved something this afternoon.
Lol are you mental? I may hope you understand I wasn't talking about drugsusing dwarfs, but after real boxers, boxers that are bigger, stronger and taller as... Well let's say me for example. I have no idea who the dwarfs are you're talking about, but since nobody I know is that small and actually healthy, I guess you're probably right about the dwarfs, we simply don't have any so we can't let them fight either.
There might be some people in your country who are that small, but even the best American dwarf would lose against any random European guy.
He's got no idea who Pernell Whitaker or Keith Thurman or Sugar Ray Leonard are. But those silly bookmakers make him rich. He's got amazing boxing acumen after all.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:38
by asdfjkl
diddy wrote:
He's got no idea who Pernell Whitaker or Keith Thurman or Sugar Ray Leonard are. But those silly bookmakers make him rich. He's got amazing boxing acumen after all.
That's right
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:40
by Datsue
diddy wrote:
He's got no idea who Pernell Whitaker or Keith Thurman or Sugar Ray Leonard are. But those silly bookmakers make him rich. He's got amazing boxing acumen after all.
I'm also quite astonished that he hasn't picked up on my Englishness yet, I can only assume his reading comprehension's on the same level as his boxing knowledge.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:51
by diddy
Datsue wrote:diddy wrote:
He's got no idea who Pernell Whitaker or Keith Thurman or Sugar Ray Leonard are. But those silly bookmakers make him rich. He's got amazing boxing acumen after all.
I'm also quite astonished that he hasn't picked up on my Englishness yet, I can only assume his reading comprehension's on the same level as his boxing knowledge.
I mean seriously. Who doesn't know that Bradley Saunders would run roughshod over the American bums in the division? Mayweather? Garcia? Thurman? Spence? Porter? Bradley? No chance against that whirlwind from across the pond.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:53
by Counter-puncher
definite troll
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas
Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 11:57
by Datsue
Counter-puncher wrote:definite troll
You just can't get the same standard these days. At least the likes of Alabama Man used to get genuine reactions out of people, & were smart enough to understand when people were laughing at them, & had at least a rudimentary grasp of how to control or divert the conversation, how to only make statements that they couldn't be caught out in without a lot of weaselling & back-pedalling & arse-covering.
Nowadays, we've only got Brut's various alter-egos & the likes of this chap.
Sad times.
:(