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bogan whisperer wrote:

Evander wrote:My guess is they're trying to preserve a Kovalev v Ward fight, but it's like wrapping Andre Ward in cotton wool and bubble wrap.
FFS this is boxing at the highest level.

That is the most logical answer.

Lucas Brown has been playing similarly careful to what Ward is in the lead-up to his title fight against Chagaev.

Ricky_ wrote:I'd throw my hat in the ring but Ward but probably actual consider it, since i'm 175lb and never had a fight.

littlepug wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:

Evander wrote:My guess is they're trying to preserve a Kovalev v Ward fight, but it's like wrapping Andre Ward in cotton wool and bubble wrap.
FFS this is boxing at the highest level.

That is the most logical answer.

Lucas Brown has been playing similarly careful to what Ward is in the lead-up to his title fight against Chagaev.

can forgive browne because some fighters just arent good enough to take on the big dogs and need to be matched carefully which is fair enough, ward on the other hand is one of the big dogs so i can only guess that he is having some sort of confidence crisis, wouldnt be surprised if he contacted fast eddie about appearing on the next prizefighter

bogan whisperer wrote:I'm a fan of Browne, but I disagree.

IMO it is about fighting well matched opponents, and Welliver and Long were just plain safe fights for Browne while he awaits his fight with Chagaev. The same sort of stunt Ward is pulling.

Granted Long was a short notice replacement. But Browne was originally to fight Gonzalo Omar Basile and then Icho Larenas, and all 3 were chosen as easybeat opponents.

Freedom2013 wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:I'm a fan of Browne, but I disagree.

IMO it is about fighting well matched opponents, and Welliver and Long were just plain safe fights for Browne while he awaits his fight with Chagaev. The same sort of stunt Ward is pulling.

Granted Long was a short notice replacement. But Browne was originally to fight Gonzalo Omar Basile and then Icho Larenas, and all 3 were chosen as easybeat opponents.

But do you think Browne and Ward are on the same level?

I don't hear Browne's name come up in P4P discussions.

Badhusker wrote:6 pages on Andre Ward? If anything, you guys are doing your best at keeping him relevant, love him or hate him.

Ward has been inactive, but for those of you out there that know boxing, know that he is an elite fighter, and imo would come out on top vs GGG or Kovalev. He is smart enough and talented enough to get the wins.

Badhusker wrote:6 pages on Andre Ward? If anything, you guys are doing your best at keeping him relevant, love him or hate him.

Ward has been inactive, but for those of you out there that know boxing, know that he is an elite fighter, and imo would come out on top vs GGG or Kovalev. He is smart enough and talented enough to get the wins.

koolkc107 wrote:guy already IS great.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:guy already IS great.

The problem is that Ward thinks exactly that. He thinks that he is so great that he can fight C level SMWs at LHW limit and fans/networks/press will all clap and pour millions on him.

That is not the case. He is making a total mockery out of himself throwing in names like Murdoch or Brand.

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:guy already IS great.

The problem is that Ward thinks exactly that. He thinks that he is so great that he can fight C level SMWs at LHW limit and fans/networks/press will all clap and pour millions on him.

That is not the case. He is making a total mockery out of himself throwing in names like Murdoch or Brand.

I think it is more a matter of him trying to get back to a certain level of sharpness without risking his rust betraying him against an elite guy.

I think he realizes the big money isn't going to be Golovkin, who is too scared to jump to 168 and face him.

That leaves the lightheavies, and you just don't jump into scraps with Krusher and Superman without making sure you are properly tuned up first.

Do I like these opponents? No.

But, I see Ward working...

bogan whisperer wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:I'm a fan of Browne, but I disagree.

IMO it is about fighting well matched opponents, and Welliver and Long were just plain safe fights for Browne while he awaits his fight with Chagaev. The same sort of stunt Ward is pulling.

Granted Long was a short notice replacement. But Browne was originally to fight Gonzalo Omar Basile and then Icho Larenas, and all 3 were chosen as easybeat opponents.

But do you think Browne and Ward are on the same level?

I don't hear Browne's name come up in P4P discussions.

Read the first sentence of my post that you quoted again:

IMO it is about fighting well matched opponents

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:guy already IS great.

The problem is that Ward thinks exactly that. He thinks that he is so great that he can fight C level SMWs at LHW limit and fans/networks/press will all clap and pour millions on him.

That is not the case. He is making a total mockery out of himself throwing in names like Murdoch or Brand.

I think it is more a matter of him trying to get back to a certain level of sharpness without risking his rust betraying him against an elite guy.
He already fought Smith how many fights does he need?
I think he realizes the big money isn't going to be Golovkin, who is too scared to jump to 168 and face him.

That leaves the lightheavies, and you just don't jump into scraps with Krusher and Superman without making sure you are properly tuned up first.
Nobody has said he should fight the elite LHW's in this next fight, he just fought Smith so its time to step up, someone like Yunieski Gonzalez would be ideal. YOU say he is a great but great fighters don't fight journeyman, V Klit had 4 years out and fought Peter in his first fight back, pisses over Paul Smith
Do I like these opponents? No.

But, I see Ward working...

koolkc107 wrote:His main goal is to make money without risking defeat.

He wasn't thinking about middleweight titles when he tried to get JCC jr or Froch in the ring- and he didn't ask either guy to come down to 164 like he reportedly tried to get Ward to do.

Canelo got 300K buys with Lara as an opponent. Any doubt that Erislandy gets Golovkin better numbers than the fiasco we just sae with Lemieux?

And BTW, the offer made had nothing to do with the Lemieux fight. Roc nation made the offer prior to be aware of the PPV fight and in any case were calling for each guy to have one fight before they met in the first half of 2016 anyway.

That myth of Andre making an offer after he knew a fight was made is just that, a myth.

littlepug wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:
Read the first sentence of my post that you quoted again:

IMO it is about fighting well matched opponents

I see what your saying suppose its about matching to your level, just think your never gonna get the best out of an elite fighter by matching him below his level, in fact its probably the best way to blunt a good boxers skills.

Evander wrote:Problem with the Eastern Europeans and Russians is they fight the same way and rely on physical strength and more of a toe to toe man to man break down approach.
It really hasn't differentiated from a decade or so ago if the truth is told, it has a change but not enough to warrant a change in boxing policy.
The opposition may have been weakened but they progressed very little technically.

ikorolev wrote:

Evander wrote:Problem with the Eastern Europeans and Russians is they fight the same way and rely on physical strength and more of a toe to toe man to man break down approach.
It really hasn't differentiated from a decade or so ago if the truth is told, it has a change but not enough to warrant a change in boxing policy.
The opposition may have been weakened but they progressed very little technically.

Ah, they actually fight ! They want to finish their opponent ! They didn't "progress" to running and slapping ! That is so disappointing. We need all fighters be like Mayweather/Lara/etc.